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That's kind of the way it goes in the entertainment industry, novelty is not easily maintained and growth is not often encouraged Hutchence seemed like a Jim Morrison kind of character for the '85-'95 window of time- Burned his candle at both ends, just to be twice as bright for half as long

It's cute that you use "lol", and that you googled some terms that you likely had never encountered before kiddo. You keep on arguing with yourself and the wind though, it's likely the only argument you'll ever win

Strawman argument, and false equivalency How many people did that failed artist actually throw into the acid baths and ovens himself? And he's not, and will never be, considered an artist, scientist, or philosopher, because he was a politician; a politician being only a self-promoting charlatan, mouthpiece, and a tool, who claims to be a servant of the citizenry while really only seeking self-enrichment. The atrocities done in Europe during WW2 were the will of the populace, who were complicit, and it was they that committed all the actual crimes against humanity whether in a military uniform or not. Yet their government made sure to call what they were doing "good" for the fatherland, and even wrote laws to make sure it was all legal. Not unlike a certain other nation, which is currently working on doing the same thing

Yep yep, i'm a practitioner of separating the art from the artist. Because no amount of socially unacceptable faux pas, missteps, blunders, or even worse things, that a person may commit (and we all do, because who can claim to be infallible?) can undo any of the positive aspects of what they offer the world at large. Plenty of artists, scientists, and philosophers through the ages have been horrible people in their personal lives, but the amount of people that have benefited from their works vastly outnumber the relatively few that had to put up with them directly and only for as long or short as their individual life lasted. Anyway. There's no reason to blame Moby for being the doofus he is, as if he could help it, unless you know of a way of being someone other than you are

Just rewatched this; her character was having some disturbing visuals, and got a rough deal for sure. And she had only turned 22 a couple months before the movie came out. Let that sink in... Another thing i noticed is that Craig T. Nelson plays a high profile NYC real estate developer, whose intials are "A.C.", has a build project called "Cullen Towers", and lives in a gold-plated penthouse. So, between Biff in BttF2 and this movie about the Anti-Christ, it seems Tronald Dump has been seen coming from a long way off

No problem, maybe i even made it up! But, as i recall, the reason we even went the day Tiny Tim was performing was thay my dad remembered seeing him on the Ed Sullivan show back in 60's. Tim's most obvious role in society was that he was a link/influence from the old vaudeville acts to the proto-"cringe comic" style of Andy Kaufmann. And without AK, then perhaps no Tom Green, Sascha Cohen, Tim Robertson et al (at least not as the world now knows them)

I think it took him a while to find that place, where i had the absurd privilege of seeing him for the first and last time; which was as a travelling sideshow act for a backwater circus, which toured the countless podunk towns between the finger lakes and the Chesapeake bay.

- Basquiat - Batman Forever - Magnolia

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Objectively/Empirically time is space, and vice versa (i.e. it is the field within which all objects, their trajectories, and chains-of-events elapse, and are interwoven with one another in the objective web of causality we glibly call "the universe"). However time is definitely perceived subjectively, and so it IS experienced differently. Because insofar as one's perceptions determine his or her thoughts-words-actions or lack thereof, time is experienced relative to the perceptions of the individual consciousness passing through it. And those perceptions, in all their limitations and self-serving biases (or lack thereof), are what make a personality see itself a particular way along with determining how it perceives everyone and everything else in a particular way. What you and the person in the clip are doing is conflating time with the processes occuring in it,l. Processes which are entirely governed by immutable laws, and so which are/were bound to happen in the ways they were always going to. So, unless you can choose to stop obeying gravity, neither will you be able to choose to stop being who, what, where, when, why, and how you are. Sorry, not sorry, i don't make the rules, i'm just a product of them like you are

Psilocybin helped erase my nicotine addiction to cigarettes, after 25 years of on again/off again smoking Disclaimer: results may vary, always do your research

The Chicken animator went on to create Wallace & Gromit

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Hmmm, according to your post history you posted in aging saying you feel better now than when you were 40. But then according to another post you made a month ago you're 34 and newly diagnosed as autistic

Dirt. The whole album is a test of one's threshold for confronting darkness and mortality, from both within and without. "I want you to scrape me from the walls, and go crazy like you made me" - Layne

Watching that new documentary allowed me to appreciate and understand Pail Reubens, and the conceptual evolution of Pee-Wee as a character, a little better. Only in the America of the 80's was someone like Pee-Wee Herman going to spawn and thrive. And, sure, the visual style of PW's Big Adventure is unmistakeably Burton, but the doc also mentions that much of the of the humor and dialogue is thanks to Phil Hartman

Candy says "I've really come to hate my body, and all the things that it requires in this world"- Lou Reed

.2 (two tenths, aka one fifth) of a mile. Depending on if the odometer and the seller /are were accurate in their estimation of your vehicles mileage then it's 148591 and two tenths of a mile

Don't worry, it's nothing new. It's not only been seen before, it's been predicted and prohesized to happen again and again until the final act. It just seems momentous to us because we're stuck in the middle of the current version of it, inescapably playing our parts in its inevitable occurrence "Spengler's model of history postulates that human cultures and civilizations are akin to biological entities, each with a limited, predictable, and deterministic lifespan Spengler predicted that about the year 2000, Western civilization would enter the period of pre‑death emergency which would lead to 200 years of Caeserism (extra-constitutional omnipotence of the executive branch of government) before Western civilization's final collapse"

Agreed. The first was just a drive in B-movie, and the second is an excellent dystopian/action mashup. But the third was when the series became kind of like a batman comic. Here ya go: https://archive.org/details/the-making-of-mad-max-beyond-thunderdome-1985

I don't dislike it, it's not without its merits; but I've always been a fan of leaving enough room for the individual's imagination to wonder and puzzle over the meaning of the thing being experienced. Not necessarily what the meaning would/should be for everybody, by consensus, but the personal meaning to each individual and according to their own unique perspective, even if it ends up meaning nothing at all to them. But that includes your own perspective, and i trust you know what works best for you. For my own sensibilities, the director's cut took out too much wiggle room by adding more clues to the puzzle, traded some of the fractal in for the linear. If i had to distill my own takeaway, from the philosilophical thread that permeates the whole film, it would be: Even if we are all Donnie Darko's in our own way and bound by predestination, as the film suggests he is, we need to feel that we're free to choose our own destiny, in order for all our choices to be made genuinely

Oof, yes, how could i forget some "cheese product" is straight out of the can

At this point Magnolia is just nostalgia piece i suppose. I haven't seen it in a decade or 2 myself, but i recall it being a strange mix of desperate romantic idealism and yet somehow more cynical than any of P.T. Anderson's other movies. And it always felt like one of those cases where the soundtrack is more coherent/cohesive than the film in a lot of ways (similar in that way to Basquiat, Batman Forever)

Whoops, good catch. I mixed it up with 'teardrop' in the ole' memory banks

Sure i get that, as I'm not a fan(atic) of any particular medium, genre, or artist, and i have no emotional investment in either of the people in DCD. And every listener is going to have a different understanding of what they're hearing. I just tend to enjoy the best of someone's offerings according to my own preferences, and discard the rest as all the attempts it took to produce that best. I would agree that this, and the album it is on, is not his or their best work. It just happened to become more well known when a couple of the songs made it onto movie soundtracks, and such commercial success usually comes at the expense of being less creatively pungent and more generically palatable (dumbed down, like McDonald's food) But i enjoyed both their styles, and preferred the neo-classical arc of their bell curve. They both added a pungent and complimentary flavor to the mix (she was the sharp, feeling, witchy-ness and he was the blunt, thinking, and arcane). For my own tastes, "Within the Realm of a Dying Sun" was the apotheosis of what they could do and what they were about in their mature prime and as a "band"

A Canadian band that started with happy-go-lucky or dour country-folk pop, made it "big" with an album full of philosophical ideas and questions in song form, then transitioned to morbidly sardonic and cynical chamber music They were always on a unique developmental arc. If anything, it was an exceptional fluke of the early/mid 90's zeitgeist they ever got known outside of Winnipeg (or was it Edmonton?)

Agreed, not a song worth skipping on the whole album

Someone's evidently got a bit of Sting crush going on, and is also a bit of a pop aficionado. And yes, i recall when he was playing with classicism and trying to remain popular enough to sell merchandise (Billy Joel had a similar evolutionary arc). But, no, there's no accounting for one's personal taste or preference- one person's treasure is always likely to be another's trash, and vice versa. It's a topic me and my Aspergers can go on and on about, so it's best confined to chat/message rather than comments Though, for the sake of continuity, i must add that of course i heard all the songs you named. But then, so did just about everybody with a radio and ears at that time. And Synchronicity 2 is by no means my pick for "best pop song ever", or even of the 80's, just that it's not comparable in subject matter or aesthetic to what usually had been found on "top 40" radio stations before or after. It was sort of their "Is That All There Is?", but angry-punk instead of maudlin-drunk. There were many "post-punk" outliers that weren't "pop" enough for mass consumption, that rarely or never got airtime except on college radio stations during the graveyard shift; because they were to dour or aggro, and weren't going to be making anyone in the business a whole lot of wealth like Sting and the Police did. See also: Dead Can Dance anthology "Into the Labyrinth", and the song "Anywhere out of the World" specifically. Of course there is cultural treasure and trash to be found in every medium of every decade that has come and gone (plays, poems, novels, songs, albums, paintings, shows, films etc) and which is which depends on the standards of the seeker/experiencer. But i've found in my own experience/standards that one usually has to go digging for the treasure these days, because trash has been overproduced and permeated the landscape. I think the 80's are an important decade for this topic. Because that's when i'd estimate the pop song as a format, and a growing, evolving expression of Western civilization and culture, hit the pinnacle of its bell curve (1950's-60's nascency & adolescence, 70's & 80's young & prime adulthood, 90's & '00s middle aged and beginning to sell out completely at the expense of artistic credibility) The current moment being a dozen or so years down the path of being a completely industrialized commercialization, manufacturing, target-market-consumerist shit-show; and an idiocracy full of clownish caricatures and grotesques of what kind of actual value or substance it used to have. tl;dr In the 80's, "pop" was a cutting-edge fusion of all that came before; by now it has devolved to being just a barely coherent mudbath of mediocrity with regurgitated tropes that even the "artists" don't know the origin of. And really, if i have to pick a favourite Sting-penned song it's going to be "All This Time"

Nah, never heard of him until now. Just a nostalgic memory of first seeing this at my grandma's house back in '92 i guess

Oh yeah, I couldn't agree more. Back in his prime he was a cross-pollinator of music and literature, and of the mainstream and arcane. It makes sense though. His "normal" job, prior to his global success, was as an actual teacher of music, English, and athletics, and such cases rarely result in worldwide recognition. Plus, he always hated his birth name and made sure to orchestrate his being called "Sting" before becoming famous; so i'm sure he always had a more than healthy opinion of himself and a hunger to get where he did. Regardless of what celebrity and success tend to make of people and their narcissistic tendencies, even those of substance, he was a true "renaissance man" that produced high quality stuff in an area that is usually middle-brow at best The other verses of that song are phenomenal as well: "Then I went off to fight some battle That I'd invented inside my head Away so long for years and years You probably thought or even wished that I was dead While the armies are all sleeping Beneath the tattered flag we'd made I had to stop my tracks for fear Of walking on the mines I'd laid This prison has now become your home A sentence you seem prepared to pay It took a day to build the city We walked through its streets in the afternoon As I returned across the lands I'd known I recognized the fields where I'd once played Had to stop in my tracks for fear Of walking on the mines I'd laid" His writing Synchronicity 2 as a disdainful deconstruction of the rat race and the state and direction of the modern world in general. It's just incomparable to anything in "pop" before or since

Is there a good streaming site/service to find it on?

First 45rpm vinyl single given to me: "Weird" Al Yankovic - Eat It First cassette given to me: MJ - Thriller First cassette I bought myself: Huey Lewis and the News - Sports

Nah. What the child doesn't understand at the time of exposure is engrained in the 'ole memory banks for later use, because of the music. So that if they are to grow up to be someone that can understand the subtexts, which is also rare, they will. That's also music is used in commercials, but with only something to be bought or sold attached to the melody, and why so many can recite the thing if one just cues the intro Like "O O O O'Reillyyyyyyy"

And the Vince Guaraldi with Charlie Brown specials, good stuff I think it's because Peanuts, and Looney Tunes, and Mister Rogers were all subversive in the best possible way, since they aimed to nurture the individual young viewer against the world that is always out there waiting to manipulate, abuse, or otherwise exploit them. Now the argument is used against them that such things are too violent, stereotypically "racist", or too idealistic and empathetic for todays youth to be subjected to. But they were all products of their time and place, just like any of the rest of us Subversion is effective, but only when there are still traditions and values the subversive person thinks or feels are worth taking the risk to convey through a mainstream medium. And the vast majority of socio-cultural output tends to be low and middle-brow dilutions of the same repetitive and commercially-intended gibberish and garbage. That along with the fact that there were never many individuals willing or able to use a part of the "babylon system" as a weapon against itself, and there may be even less such people now

I think it's because both Looney Tunes and Mister Rogers were subversive in the best possible way, since they aimed to nurture the individual young viewer against the world that is always out there waiting to manipulate, abuse, or otherwise exploit them. Now the argument is used against them that one was too violent and stereotypically "racist", while the other was too idealistic and empathetic. But they were both just products of their time and place, just like any of the rest of us Subversion is effective, but only when there are still traditions and values the subversive person thinks or feels are worth taking the risk to convey through a mainstream medium. And the vast majority of socio-cultural output tends to be low and middle-brow dilutions of the same repetitive and commercially-intended gibberish and garbage. That along with the fact that there were never many individuals willing or able to use a part of the "babylon system" as a weapon against itself, and there may be even less such people now