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Yes. Those Greek soldiers that arrived İzmir in 1919 and then marched toward Kütahya got what they deserved and I'm very proud of my ancestors who took care of them. They learnt a lesson, I wish I was there to take care one of them too. However, I'm sorry for the civilians who had nothing to do with this who didn't want to take land from our borders and were just minding their own business. Civilians and Soldiers with arms are 2 different category.

Ernestine Leibovici has the most Romanian face I've ever seen in my life.

It is understandable for Greeks to hate them. There's no objective morality among humans. There are national interests. The only reason that Greece couldn't seize the Western Coasts of Turkey is Atatürk, if they could, Greece really could have been something like Austria today in terms of economics.


That's what she said 😉

When I send this meme. I was mocking the Palikarias who came to our coasts, saying "Excuse me sir, my ancestors lived here before, so I'm gonna take this land" like the Israelis, then ended up floating in the Aegean sea like dead fish while trying to take land. I'm sorry for the civilians who lost their lives.

"My ancestors lived here before yours mongol. Now I'm taking this land and I'll establish the great Greek State!" 3 years later: https://preview.redd.it/fh1y6oso625h1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d92ad009246a8a54e3f3cf5f12da3a233b214f86

When this picture was taken, his livers were already almost non-functional.

There is no evidence that shows the village of Kocacık received a Turkic migration from Anatolia. Only thing we know that in 15th century they were non-Muslim. It was impossible to send Turkic settlers to Kocacık in the first place because it is a deserted are and there are less than 10 families in that village. It was surely waaay smaller when Anatolian migrations to the Balkans happened. So no, this is probably just cope, people trying to connect his ancestry to Turkicness but the possibility is very low. For the side of his mother, it is true, his mother comes from Karamanoğulları, we know that for sure because her mother's family was famous even before Atatürk was born (for having Islamic scholars) and they have their own family tree. Which is not the case for Atatürk's father.

There is no evidence that shows the village of Kocacık received a Turkic migration from Anatolia. Only thing we know that in 15th century they were non-Muslim. It was impossible to send Turkic settlers to Kocacık in the first place because it is a deserted are and there are less than 10 families in that village. It was surely waaay smaller when Anatolian migrations to the Balkans happened. So no, this is probably just cope, people trying to connect his ancestry to Turkicness but the possibility is very low. For the side of his mother, it is true, his mother comes from Karamanoğulları, we know that for sure because her mother's family was famous even before Atatürk was born (for having Islamic scholars) and they have their own family tree. Which is not the case for Atatürk's father.

Since when killing people that coming in the borders of your state with arms as foreigner soldiers is genocide?

There is no evidence that shows the village of Kocacık received a Turkic migration from Anatolia. Only thing we know that in 15th century they were non-Muslim. It was impossible to send Turkic settlers to Kocacık in the first place because it is a deserted are and there are less than 10 families in that village. It was surely waaay smaller when Anatolian migrations to the Balkans happened. So no, this is probably just cope, people trying to connect his ancestry to Turkicness but the possibility is very low. For the side of his mother, it is true, his mother comes from Karamanoğulları, we know that for sure because her mother's family was famous even before Atatürk was born (for having Islamic scholars) and they have their own family tree. Which is not the case for Atatürk's father.

I'm not sure he "banged" he wanted to marry her.

https://preview.redd.it/1h8um4ob425h1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=00a0fd5a9c5075b980697a3cf494c69f30d11ac4 That feeling when you confidently came to restore Byzantium with your arms yet your mom ends up searching for your burnt, decapitated corpse in the beaches of your island:

those people are Reddit Turks that barely exist in irl or get beaten up if they dare to speak in public. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwxVgI\_\_eu4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwxVgI__eu4) this is Konya where 90% of people are hardcore Erdoğanists. Watch it if you understand Turkish or maybe take help from a friend to translate it.

Yes. His father is from Kocacık, a very small village in Macedonia-Albania borders. Many people claimed that Atatürk came from the Balkan Turks, however, according to the 15th century official records of Kocacık where his father was born, population was mostly slavic-albanian. Atatürk was mostly an ethnic (Turkified) Albanian-Slav from his father's side.

He was 1,73 shorter than Europeans and slightly shorter than my father, but Europeans don't concern us though.

You have little knowledge about current situation of Turkey. In 2026, even most conservative Muslims respect Atatürk and his framework is accepted by most of the Muslims too.

When I was in high school in Turkey, I was chatting up with a friend of mine during the recreation. I asked him "Would you let Atatürk do you if you were living during his life time?" he answered me "Hell yeah I would! Even if I'm still a man!"

I didn't say explicitly use the word "kill" or "eliminate" etc. I'd say the intent to destroy a group, which means intentionally. Throughout the events that are defined as the Armenian Genocide, the policy is deportation. Plus, Armenians in Bursa, İstanbul and Edirne ar exempted. This automatically fails the criteria to "destroy a group" because there are numerous groups who are not in the list. Plus, the most important part, the name of the Decree is "Temporal Deportation" which implies those people are supposed to return after the war. So it just fails to fulfill the criterias for intent. There were also a list of articles to secure the deportation ways in the decree. Those people dying in the march is terrible but the article of intent is not fulfilled thus it is not a genocide but ethnic cleansing, massacre or war crime.

I live in Europe because I had to leave the country that's been ruined by Erdog. I There's no person in my family besides my uncle (he's never been to Turkey) who supports Erdog.

We all acknowledge that 1 to 1,5 millions of people had died. But we mostly don't recognize it as a genocide. So doesn't UN because it doesn't fulfill the conditions for a genocide. [https://www.un.org/en/genocide-prevention/definition](https://www.un.org/en/genocide-prevention/definition) **Article II** *In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:* 1. Killing members of the group; 2. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; 3. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; 4. Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; 5. Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. The decree that started what we call the Armenian Genocide is given by Talat Pasha. It's copies are still online and displayed in many projects about the Armenian Genocide. It is called Tehcir Fermanı which means Decree of Deportation. Which commands to deport Armenians from Anatolia to the Levant. Armenians of Istanbul, Bursa and Edirne are exempted. Word "itlaf" basically mean "eliminate, unalive" is not present in the decree it only commands Tehcir (deportation). Which means there is no intention to destroy a group. That's why the UN still didn't recognize Armenian Genocide. You can google Temporary Law of Deportation and examine the PDF files yourself published by numerous universities.

I couldn't find Kazim's picture so I used Selim's.

If you understand intermediate Turkish and interested in romantic stories (some good sh\*t, no cringe) I suggest you Beni Böyle Sev. But unfortunately I couldn't find english subtitles for it.

There are no significant ethnic Turk community in Pakistan. Turkic peoples in Europe aren't that densely populated neither. Besides that correct. Only changement I'd do is removing Saha Yakuts. I consider Yakuts to be more Mongolic than Turkic.

Yes they were taking non-Kurdish land. Raqqah and Deir ez-Zor were almost completely Arab and they detained these cities, forcing Arabs to leave. They are a minority in Aleppo, yet seized Aleppo for a while too. This is where they are the majority. Most of the Kurds settled in Syria after Turkey suppressed Kurdish revolts for independence as migrants. That's why their settlements are in the borders of Turkey. You can simply compare it with the region where YPG has reigned. https://preview.redd.it/peekkoz5tx4h1.png?width=1778&format=png&auto=webp&s=e216ad825e9b13cd7e838a47a6ce81e49fe7beaf

Ernestine Leibovici changed her name to Eren Eyüboğlu. It is ambiguous if she converted to Islam or not.

We took it in 1071. Kinda. Today's Turks aren't exactly the people that came in 1071. At that date, even though numbers vary, the Turkic nomads that came to Anatolia were like 1/4 of the Anatolian local population. Most got intermarried but Turkish language remained dominant since Turks established their state. When we the Turks make DNA test, most of us turn out to be more than 50% Anatolian Native and around 10-30% Central Asia. Like Mestizos. They're also the mix of the colonizer and colonized. We should also make a point here. In DNA tests, Greeks are observed in the Greek&Albanian Cluster as a Southern European group. Anatolian Native cluster represents the DNA samples collected from the Pre-Helenization DNA samples from Anatolia mostly refer to Hatti speaking peoples. Anatolian Greeks also turn out to be Anatolian rather than Greek&Albanian since they're Hellenized Anatolians.

In defense industry; Turkey. For the rest; I don't know.

Üstad neden Türkçe öğrendin onca dil arasından? İçten içe Türkiye'de Yunanistan için casusluk yapma hayalin var mıydı?

lan profilin açık amk yorumlar türkçe

Vay amk.

Ben zaten Bulgaristan vatandaşıyım kardeşim şu an da avrupada yaşıyorum.

We as a Turks will do what is necessary, that's all I can say, work is holy, result is God's work. Therefore I refuse to make claims about the future. I also had to add that Kurds aren't a majority in most of the places that YPG seized. These are the lands that they are the majority in. Which was the start of the debate in the first place. https://preview.redd.it/ybh0qc8fiw4h1.png?width=1778&format=png&auto=webp&s=ab444e42e2b15b23616305383502556b57e643fe

We will work and do what is necessary to prevent a kurdish state in Syria, Iraq and Turkey. The integrity of Turkey, Iraq and Syria is important for us.

I'm not defending colonialism. I'm for being allies with Syria and rebuilding their country together. Shoulder to shoulder. We are allies, not worker-patron.

Even if Turks were the majority in Berlin, they are not justified to take it over if Turkey disappears. It isn't even ancient history, Syria is a well establishes Arab state and it has no obligation to accept being divided because a landless people asked so.

If Turks were a stateless population living in multiple countries. I'd be 100% pro-idea that Turks getting a state in Central Asia instead of betraying their hosting country because "They also deserve" a land.

You have no idea about the socio-politics of the Islamic World. Most of the Sunni Syrians have 0 problem with Turkish influence on Syria. Those who do are generally have a grudge seeing racist Turks, but in the essence, Sunni Syrians always saw Turkiye as an ally and demanded aid from Turkey since the beginning of the civil war. When the Civil War ended, many Syrians celebrated it with Turkish flags by their own voluntary. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntT8cJLkpPk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntT8cJLkpPk) "This is my second homeland!" [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/qtNCd4lsOkg](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/qtNCd4lsOkg) Syrian guy confronted by far right leader Ümit Özdağ responds: "What is the difference between Syria and Turkey? We are the same country!" [youtube.com/watch?v=CPHZTS4b45Y&list=WL&index=513&t=1s&pp=iAQBsAgC](http://youtube.com/watch?v=CPHZTS4b45Y&list=WL&index=513&t=1s&pp=iAQBsAgC) "Long live Turkey and Syria!" We came to Northern Syria to stop YPG, we didn't annex any land. We literally recognize the unitary map of Syria where the whole syria is under the government of Damascuss.

Because this land mass isn't theirs. They are an Iranic people and Syria belongs to the Syrians. It is the ancient land where Assyrians lived for milleniums. Kurds as an Iranic people have no claim just because they live there. If Turkey ceases to exists one day, Turks in Berlin won't be justified to take land from Germany. Because that land belongs to Germans not Turks.

Can you summarize?

If Turks were a stateless population living in multiple countries. I'd be 100% pro-idea that Turks getting a state in Central Asia instead of betraying their hosting country because "They also deserve" a land.

In 19th century, there were many multiple groups that existed in Syria since it was an imperial region. As there were British in Crimea during 19th century. But Kurds were not counted in the demographics of Syria, they were not a factor in Syria until mid 20st century. I agree that they deserve a country, they are literally 40 millions of people. But seizing Northern Syria where they arrived from Turkey as refugees after 1923 and invading Arab lands with US aid isn't a good idea. These people aren't even Levantine. Kurds are an Iranic people. Their homeland is the Iranian Plateau, this is where they were distributed to Anatolia and Mesopotamia. If Jews did seek homeland in Palestine where they came from, why shouldn't Kurds seek their homeland in Northeastern Iran where they are originated from instead of messing with Arabs and Turks?

My grandfather also told me that Russian displaced us many times but I never heard any Romanian involvement, nor that I heard a major event where Romanians pogrommed us.

It is like when you faint away by fear upon seeing a spider but spider is also afraid af

I think they do deserve a country, they are literally 40 millions of people. But seizing Northern Syria where they arrived from Turkey as refugees after 1923 and invading Arab lands with US aid isn't a good idea. These people aren't even Levantine. Kurds are an Iranic people. Their homeland is the Iranian Plateau, this is where they were distributed to Anatolia and Mesopotamia. If Jews did seek homeland in Palestine where they came from, why shouldn't Kurds seek their homeland in Northeastern Iran where they are originated from instead of messing with Arabs and Turks?

Kenan İmirzalıoğlu who is the head role of Ezel is an Iraqi Turkmen. While Zeynep Çamcı comes from Bodrum (the vacation place of Turkey) Turkey is 800,000 km2 of land, people are very diverse.

At least in the end we helps Sharaa to take power and Sharaa didn't declare Shariah and instead copied Erdoğan's constitution, which is better than being a theocratic emirate.

It was just a fact. You told me they were the majority in a land that makes 30% of Syria. No they were not and it was impossible to become 30% of Syria in a century after they've arrived. Plus you also told that they deserved a land, maybe they shouldn't get this land in a country that they've arrived as migrants in 20th century. Most of the cities captured by YPG were never Kurdish majority, Kurds are mostly located in the borders with Turkey, since they've arrived from there not so long ago. Many Arabs were displaced after YPG invaded their towns.

I already included in 2 of the maps where they are the majority and were they took. This is the area where they are the majority. Most of the Kurds in Syria are the refugees that escaped Turkiye after Kurdish rebellions were suppressed by the Turkish state and settled in Qamishli. There's no mention of Kurds in Syria prior to that and in the documents of 19th century. Now it's up to you to compare it with the map of YPG controlled areas before the Turkish intervention. https://preview.redd.it/g5aodeff5w4h1.png?width=1778&format=png&auto=webp&s=3f03953d610b5b7ccc388acf4be584e937b28e41