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Driving a lot is probably the biggest factor. My Focus has 120,000 miles, but I’ve only been averaging 4,000 miles per year since COVID. My calculation says it’s gonna take me another 45 years to hit 300,000 miles.

I mean…. My 2.0L turbo car gets miserable gas mileage despite being in a small car.

Yeah I mean if you’ve got a BMW M240 and you like to stomp on the loud pedal leaving stop signs, AWD is clutch. However, most folks here asking about AWD probably never go over 25% throttle and certainly are not worried about how fast they can leave a stop sign or exit a corner.

Idk, but I have a 2014 Focus ST and a 2011 Civic Si. Reliability seems about the same on them to me.

The problem with all seasons, is that your on sub optimal tires all year long, not just during the winter. They have less grip always.

They do great in sand. The one pictured though, looks like it would explode at the thought of a trail.

Yeah except most modern 4 cylinders also come with a turbo and make bucket loads of torque down low. My Focus is making 350 ft lbs out of its little 2L. I’ve never driven a naturally aspirated six cylinder that’s as powerful down low and unfortunately turbo sixes aren’t that common.

Idk, but my bolt on and tuned Focus ST feels quick enough for me. It’s very rare that I don’t have enough power to out accelerate 99% of the cars around me.

I mean, it might be Mustang GT money… but isn’t it also faster than a Mustang GT while also have four doors and four proper seats? You gotta step up to the Dark Horse to beat the Golf R and that’s another 20k.

I mean I’d have a fleet. As a daily? Probs a Porsche Panamera Turbo S Sport Turismo

You can’t even get a decent set of wheels for $400. Shit, $400 might not even cover a tuneup on a decent bike depending on what needs replacing.

I feel like a nearly thirty pound hybrid doesn't even get close to "decent", if I was going to go that route I'd just jump on marketplace and pick up an old Trek FX for $200.

Eh, used for sure. New though? You can’t even get a decent frame for $1,000 these days.

This question is always absolutely whack. You can’t even get a decent bicycle without a motor for less than $1,000. I don’t understand why people think adding a motor would make it cheaper.

I mean, bicycles, with no motor, can also cost more than motorcycles.

Dead is dead. Also, the SUV in my experience has better visibility for the driver. That’s why most people tend to prefer driving them.

So… in a time where most Americans are switch from compact cars to compact SUVs, deaths by compact SUVs are up? No shit. I feel like these statistics need to control for the change in vehicle type. I’m not sure that I’d rather be hit by a 3200 lbs hatchback or a 3800 lbs suv. Same result imo.

Nope, the statistics would tell you most people finance, most people don’t hold onto their cars very long, and most people can’t afford their car payments. Still, I put together my 2026 budget today and have about $4,000/month after all of my expenses. It probably wouldn’t take me too long to save for a car. I just have a habit of blowing my cash on things not related to cars lol.

See you’re just making things up. If you actually had the experience you claim you’d know how obnoxious your claims are. No one’s casually doing 25-30 mph. It’s possible to do those speeds in a group or race scenario. However, for those rides that do exceed 25 mph there is absolutely nothing casual about them.

Have you read anything you’ve posted? It’s all nonsense. Unless you’re some sort of genetic specimen, you’re simply not casually cruising around at 25-30 mph on a nearly four decade old clunker.

Says the person who has ABSOLUTELY no clue. Your posts are straight up delusional. I bet you can’t hang with the C group.

Yes — a Cannondale Black Lightning is a clunker. That doesn’t mean it was bad in its day. It means it’s a 30-year-old aluminum race frame. Nothing about it is objectively better than a current generation Cannondale SuperSix EVO. Modern bikes are lighter, more aerodynamic, stiffer where it matters, more compliant where it counts, and paired with dramatically better wheels, tires, and drivetrains. Aluminum race bike from the 90s? Cool. Historic. Fast for its era. Better than modern carbon race bikes? No. And the bigger issue isn’t the bike — it’s the speed claim. Unless you’re in the top 0.01% of riders, you are not casually rolling around at 25–30 mph solo on flat terrain. That’s not “Brenda and Bill Sunday hobby pace.” That’s threshold-level power output. Sustaining 25 mph solo generally means putting out roughly 280–320+ watts depending on rider size and position. That’s trained racer fitness. Yes, group rides can average 22–25 mph — with drafting. That’s completely different. Drafting can reduce required power by 20–40%. Solo speed is another universe. Invoking Tour de France and Shimano doesn’t change the physics. Shimano being “the standard” doesn’t magically turn a vintage aluminum frame into modern superbike performance. And pros ride cutting-edge equipment for a reason — marginal gains matter. No one is saying a Black Lightning was junk. It was a legit bike in its time. But pretending that 25–30 mph solo cruising speeds are normal for recreational cyclists — or that a 90s aluminum race bike is somehow on par with modern aero race machines — just isn’t grounded in reality. You can love old gear without rewriting physics.

I’m going to need evidence of you casually doing 25-30 mph on a clunker. May want to get yourself to the Tour if that’s really true.

You have to be able to go faster than 15 mph to average 15 mph.

I’d say yes. Just because the regulations are what they are currently doesn’t mean they’re correct. This whole thing needs to be simplified. It’s not that complicated.

You’d be surprised most people actually can’t go anywhere near 15 mph on a traditional bicycle. Average speeds are actually probably closer to 8-12 mph.

Fair enough. Yeah 15 mph is pretty slow. I think for inner city riding that’s fine, but out in the sticks needs to be higher. Then again, I always come back to why exactly does an electric bike need to go faster? I mean, casual cyclists don’t go faster than 15 mph anywhere and guys who can go faster typically have no interest in an electric bicycle. Then someone inevitably says “but they need to keep up with traffic because they don’t feel safe” and my response is well… if I felt like I needed to keep up with traffic I’d take my ruckus, grom, or street triple that day. All of which have two wheels, are perfectly legal, an keep up with traffic just fine.

I mean, looking ahead wouldn’t have helped the truck driver here as the motorcycle rider came from behind on the walkway at a speed faster than the cars on the road were traveling. It’s the same kind of thing that happens in the highway with lane splitting motorcycles. When the motos are going about ten mph faster than the flow they’re easy to spot, but when they come from behind at Mach 1 there’s zero chance to see them.

https://preview.redd.it/vg5me8qzqjlg1.png?width=1100&format=png&auto=webp&s=2f7bf920cd06e597536962ac6b05fbe4d3b4b1f2 I sometimes feel like I have a visual impairment, but I really struggle to visually tell apart a 100 year old motorcycle and a modern electric “bicycle”.

Tbf, motorcross bikes are also closer in weight to a Trek e-bike than they are to a Rocket 3.

Yes, as long as the bike with pedals doesn’t also have a throttle. I can’t really tell if it has one or not in this photo.

Going 30 mph on a regular bicycle takes A LOT of effort and isn’t really sustainable. Not to mention guys who can sustain speeds approaching 30 mph tend to just ride in the road with cars and no one’s arguing that electric bikes can’t ride on the road.

I mean if it’s got a throttle it’s a motorcycle. Despite the confusion our dipshit lawmakers have caused this isn’t really that complicated.

I mean if it has a throttle and goes less than 30 mph it should just be classified similarly to a Honda Ruckus.

How do you figure? We do just fine on regular pedal bikes in traffic. I’ve never felt the need to go 28 mph on my bicycle.

Right… I mean even on my actual motorcycle, I always slow down a tad and prepare for an emergency stop as I cross intersections. This guy just sent it with no regard for traffic. You gotta read the environment when you’re in a motorcycle and this guy didn’t do that at all.

Visibility on modern pickup trucks is pretty good. In this scenario, we could have replaced the truck with a Miata with its top down and the driver still wouldn’t have seen the motorcycle. The motorcycle in this case just comes from way too far back at way too high of a speed in an area they don’t belong for the truck driver to have had any chance of seeing them.

I feel like if I’d have done this on my Honda Grom, I’d potentially get arrested for reckless driving. Why would it be a different outcome here?

Yep… this is basically the electric equivalent to a small displacement dual sport dirt bike. Yet there’s a good chunk of folks on this Reddit who seem to have convinced themselves this is a bicycle. If the rider was instead in a TW200 absolutely no one would be defending his sidewalk usage despite the TW200 being a s slower vehicle.

So if you ride your e-moto recklessly fast down a side walk and end up blasting a car can you catch a no insurance ticket?

Most modern turbo engines make more power with premium. Idk about you, but if I’ve paid for a turbo, I’m paying for the proper gas to make all of the power.

Must have had a dud, I’ve had my Focus for 12 years and it’s been absolutely solid. The only Japanese compact I’ve ever driven that I’ve liked more is the CTR, but that wasn’t available when I bought the Focus.

I have a 2014 Focus ST that I bought new. I still love this car. At this point, I’m just going to drive it into the ground… but it only has 100,000 miles in it and is still in very good shape. So it could be awhile. I am thinking about maybe picking up a Mustang though, but it would be in addition to the Focus.

There’s a fun car for every price bracket. It’s literally cheaper to buy a fun car than it is to buy a standard vanilla CUV these days. My Focus ST is a fucking blast and also I can try basically anything I want in iRacing.

Should $669.99 be 9070XT pricing? I could swear that’s about what I paid for mine earlier this month.

I built my first PC earlier this month. It was easier than putting together a Lego.

Perhaps, but with most racing games I can hit my monitors refresh rate of 165 fps, but in this two titles I’m lucky to hit 100 fps. From what I gather, nvidia doesn’t have this problem.

Honestly, it seems like the 9070XT has the best price to performance balance as long your preferred game is well optimized for it. Certain games kind of suck on the 9070 such as AC Evo or AC Rally.

If I can do all day rides on my Grom I can drive a Miata all day. That being said, I’m not driving any vehicle for 16 hours straight. That’s a two day drive for me.

A Miata RF for sure, no question.