If American cars are unreliable, why do domestic pick up trucks have such high resale value?

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HDauthentic@reddit

Because they are really good at towing stuff, and Americans love towing stuff.

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New_Mountain1672@reddit

do we though? that strategic vision study showed that 63% of pickup owners rarely or never tow.

But their is a link between being an insecure little bitch and wanting to buy an SUV or truck.

https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/738240

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Equal-Fee770@reddit

All of America must be an insecure little bitch, SUVs dominate the market

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jushmann@reddit

Didnt that have something to do with how SUVs are "light trucks" and so they dont need to meet certain fuel economy standards, so companies advertise the hell out of them?

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Youcants1tw1thus@reddit

No. SUV’s are passenger vehicles and not commercial exempt from passenger emissions standards.

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jushmann@reddit

Then why are american companies so obsessed with such an inefficient body style?

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PowerShovel-on-PS1@reddit

I never said people shouldn’t own trucks

It’s certainly implied when you repeatedly call people owning trucks harmful and wasteful.

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ajaxburger@reddit

People can do whatever they want, doesn't change that I think it's generally a wrong choice when they do.

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PowerShovel-on-PS1@reddit

a wrong choice

More recreation than work lol. Yeah man, all the tiny Nissan D21‘s still thriving in the trades would like a word. According to a strategic vision study, 63% of pickups rarely or never tow anything. It always makes more sense to buy something you need and will use regularly and rent when that one off tow/payload actually happens. If you just want a pickup that’s ok but let’s not pretend it’s necessary. I’ve towed and hauled more in my old VW GTI than most pickups will in their lifetime.

“And you pay for that reliability at the beginning with zero guarantee that you will use it.”

I don’t understand that logic. You use the vehicle, therefore you depend on its reliability. We aren’t talking about solely longevity here. Your Ford/GM powertrain is more likely to nuke itself in the first 5 years than a Toyota.

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AwarenessGreat282@reddit

You can believe all your own bullshit you want but it doesn't change the facts.

I don’t understand that logic.

The tundra is also the least capable half ton truck on the market.

But still has the highest resell of any half ton truck.

So what’s your gripe about it?

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cattywampus42@reddit

Has not been fixed and tbh I don’t believe the official story

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meltonr1625@reddit

Manufacturers are either making you subscribe to features like heated side mirrors or they're making it impossible to do as much as change your own battery. People are responding by not buying them

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itsmyfirsttimegoeasy@reddit

American vehicles were unreliable compared to Japanese vehicles in the 80s and 90s, it's just an untrue stereotype at this point.

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VirileMongoose@reddit

Yup. I’ve only owned Toyotas and Hondas and now an Acura. But at one point my wife wanted a jeep liberty. Fine. But that thing went over 125k miles for us. No issues other than a hose that rusted out. $250 fix.

100k miles no issues is normal for many cars and manufacturers now.

ohnomoto450@reddit

That's crazy. But having owned 3 TJs yeah that makes sense.

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Richard_Thickens@reddit

It seems fucked up to make commission in the parts department unless it's accessories only.

Make a sale on a folding tonneau cover? Okay.

Make a sale on the customer's seventh fucking window regulator in five years because the car is a hunk of shit? Jesus.

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Bomberr17@reddit

Most of the sales from parts department is not direct to customer, they sell parts to the indie shops. If there's more than one dealer of your make, then you need to compete for the business hence why it's turned into a commission role.

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AtomicKoalaJelly@reddit

So... MSRP and no profit... parts department is half the profit in a dealer. Should Autozone and Napa not sell at a profit? You think mom and pops dont mark up parts? Fuck it, pay us mechanics less to make the parts cheaper and yall can keep your shit boxes on tbe road with all the little bells and whistles intact for cheap.

"auto parts margins in retail or wholesale settings can range from 30% to 60%,"

Which is followed by:

"Markup refers to the percentage added to the wholesale cost of parts to determine the retail price. Typically, a dealership or repair shop applies a 2x to 3x markup on most parts, though this can vary depending on demand, manufacturer pricing, and local market competition."

Do you even know what youre qouting? THE PARTS MARGINS ARE ARE 30 FUCKING PERCENT BEFORE REPAIR SHOPS GET THEM. Let that sink in. NOTHING ABOUT MSRP. Nowhere in that article.

That article, rather advertisement, supports what Ive been saying through out this comment chain with you and someone else. THE PARTS HAVE TO BE MARKED UP BE THE END OF LINE USERS, AKA DEALERS AND REPAIRS, MAKE NO FUCKING MONEY ON THEM IF THEY DONT MARK EM UP.

I dont need to find anything to challenge what youre saying because you didnt even read in full what qouted. You just applied the the first thing that supported your bullshit. Do you even understand what youre fucking read?

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Jmauld@reddit

WTF is your brain broken?

I guess you don’t realize that dealers don’t purchase parts at MSRP

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Richard_Thickens@reddit

I mean, AutoZone and NAPA make a profit selling mostly OER, so yeah, I think that's fair. Also, I'm talking specifically about the prices of parts, not labor or anything like it.

Molehill mountain with this fucking guy.

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AtomicKoalaJelly@reddit

Mole hell mountain what? Sales isnt the profit leader at a dealer. Service and parts are. You want cheaper parts? How do you get that? You have to balance it out. Management isnt making enough to cut to offset cheaper parts. That leaves the mechanics. Labor will stay the same and techs will make less.

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Richard_Thickens@reddit

If you are a mechanic at a stealership, look at the owner of that location and consider their income, and any other locations that they own. That's the target of my ire, not the dude installing parts.

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AtomicKoalaJelly@reddit

Dude, regardless of the owner, OEM parts are not going to be cheap. The manufacturer sets the price. We have to mark them up to cover the systems in place, breakage and paying people.

If you think the profit margins are great off MSRP youre nuts. The owner has next to nothing to do with it. The mark ups are universal just like labor times. You know why you get a part cheap at one dealer after walking out of another? They mark it down to get your business.

As far as "dude installing parts"... its pretty clear what you think of mechanics. Let me see you properly diagnose and repair dozens of cars a week.

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Richard_Thickens@reddit

First of fucking all, my guy, I spent several hours under a car yesterday. I know what it takes, and the point is that you should value yourself more than that. That, however, is not what I was getting at, and it's weird as fuck that you somehow got that out of it.

jccaclimber@reddit

The funny thing is that Jeeps could be more reliable and have the funny thing is that Jeeps could be both more reliable than they used to be and 5x as problematic as everything else at the same time.

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Jmauld@reddit

If we are talking about a real JEEP like the wrangler. It’s tough to beat the reliability of the TJ. But also if you aren’t buying a wrangle WTF are you doing at a Jeep dealership?

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jccaclimber@reddit

Over a few decades of being buddies with Jeep people who enjoy their trail time I still haven’t determined if they upgrade their parts because the trail time breaks them, or if it’s because they are going to break out just as fast on the road so they might as well start changing stuff. There has to be a reason Click and Clack loved to make fun of them, and that wasn’t exactly yesterday.

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mrsroperscaftan@reddit

They mocked them mercilessly

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porchprovider@reddit

BigPapaJava@reddit

They benefited from the 4.0 and good transmissions with 4x4 components that were outsourced rather than made by Chrysler.

Change the transmission fluid when you're supposed to and that generation of Impala goes forever.

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VinDieselAteMyQueso@reddit

Again...anecdotal but I dont see them. Anywhere.
Not on the roads. Not on marketplace. But okay.

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JohnLuckPikard@reddit

Grand prixs (same car for all intents and purposes) are still everywhere.

I have 2 of them in my driveway.

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SkylineFTW97@reddit

A lot actually. Impalas are pretty tough.

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Simp4Toyotathon@reddit

I keep my eye on that sort of thing because its fun. In my area in Michigan, GM’s home turf, I barely see pre bail out impala’s, pontiacs, and buicks anymore. I see so many more panther platform ford’s, toyotas, and hondas when we’re talking about cars that are about 20 years old. Those GM’s with the 3800 are cars with God’s perfect engine weighed down by Satan’s worst transmission.

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JohnLuckPikard@reddit

I drove my 04 grand Prix for 20 years. Engine was still strong and reliable as ever when I got rid of it.

The tranny took a shit, and there was simply too much under body rust to put another transmission or rebuild into it.

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RAMBIGHORNY@reddit

Rust is probably a bigger issue than mechanical reliability after a certain point in time in MI tho

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BurntToast90@reddit

The 4t60e is not Satans worst transmission, u don’t think you can say it’s even bad honestly

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SkylineFTW97@reddit

They're kinda weak, but fine if maintained.

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cheeseshcripes@reddit

Many American vehicles were highly reliable in the 80s and 90s

Man, those are some rose tinted memories you've got.

The occasional American was moderately reliable in the 80s and 90s.

In that time period it was pretty unusual to get a vehicle to exceed 100k miles. It was expected they would be junk by then. It was Japanese vehicles that set expectations higher that led to the high milage vehicles we have today.

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ShortHandz@reddit

Tell all those 3800 V6 motors from GM stop doing 300000+ miles...

Or All those Cavaliers and Sunfire with their 2.2 LN2 that run until the bodies rotted out...

Domestic automakers (More so GM & Ford) made plenty of reliable engines. Yes they made some stinkers as well but overall there were plenty of perfectly fine ones.

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cheeseshcripes@reddit

Yes, those would be some of the occasional engines that were reliable.

Ford 3.0 and 4.0 V6 engines, 3.8 V6, . Chevy Iron Duke. GM 267, every GM dead from coolant leaks into the manifold, 3.1, 3400 and 3800 included. Chrysler 2.2.

And in all honesty, beside the massive number of failures and relatively new cars that filled the junkyards, you just had to work on cars at the time. Engine replacements and rebuilds used to be commonplace, by the 2000s they were essentially unheard of as a maintenance task.

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ShortHandz@reddit

We can play this game all day...

Every D Series Honda put into civics in the 90s ended up burning oil before 100k.

Every 7M-GTE from Toyota popping head gaskets

Every flat 4 from Subaro popping head gaskets ..

Toyota's V6 sludge issues

Severe Rust issues (Ya every car would Rust but Japanese cars in particular would do so aggressively l.)

Again Japanese cars had superior build quality and drivetrains but Domestics were nothin like you are making them out to be.

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cheeseshcripes@reddit

D series would burn oil for 300k miles, it didn't make them unreliable. 7mgte was in 1 model of car, for 1 generation. Toyota V6 sludge issues was really only an issue with 1 engine. Subaru head gaskets pop after most domestics would be miled out and dead already. Japanese rust doesn't effect engines and if you want to talk chassis problems let's bring Chrysler and GM electrics into the conversation.

Yeah, even among the "unreliable" cars, like 80+% of people won't have issues.

Recalls aren't the same thing as reliability.

I manage the light vehicle fleet for a F500, and the F150 with the 5.0 and 2.7 have been my #1 and #2 most reliable vehicles for the better part of a decade now.

They have mostly solved the issue within 2 years. Also it’s important to note that Toyotas issue was a production issue

Is that why they had to expand the recall to include a third model year, redesigned the main bearings, and still have yet to offer any sort of coverage to the hybrids with the exact same engine?

Ford was like yeah use thinner oil because our design is just ass.

What specifically are you referring to?

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PinkGreen666@reddit

Actually a lot of American cars were reliable in the late 80’s and 90’s. Mainly trucks, but some sedans too.

muscle_car_fan34@reddit

100% agree. Almost everything is junk. If a gun was pointed to my head and I had to buy a new half ton truck, I’d probably go Ford though. I hate the wet oil pumps but they seem to be the least problematic.

I recently learned that the Jeep 4.0 six cylinder engine was designed by a small group of Engineers in 26 months. They didn’t have time to value engineer the cost out of it, and as a result, 300,000 miles is pretty easy with good maintenance. 20+ bolts on the oil pan and 16 for the valve cover is a result of those choices.

Anything designed after 2010 is optimized to disintegrate after the warranty runs out.

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badhabitfml@reddit

Is gmc all that different than Chevrolet? I thought they were just badging and interior different. Nothing mechanical.

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BlargKing@reddit

Nah American vehicles still fucking suck. And they probably will continue to suck for eternity because they government will keep bailing US automakers out and dumbass "patriots" will keep buying because 'Murican

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DizzyAstronaut9410@reddit

Untrue as a general rule.

Still a pretty strong trend of Japanese brands being ranked as the most reliable (Toyota, Mazda, Lexus) and American ones as the least (Jeep, Chrysler, Dodge).

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MentalTelephone5080@reddit

At work we got a couple Chevy Trax for company vehicles. Two of them had the oil light come on before it was time for the first oil change.

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Vault702@reddit

And your assessment of when it was time for the first oil change was based on the calendar? The mileage?

Are you sure these company vehicles weren't idled way too much, causing the crankshaft revolution counter in the counter to inform you that you needed to change the oil sooner than your expected?

https://www.reddit.com/r/ChevyTrax/s/RvJkcDnpDs

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MentalTelephone5080@reddit

Our leases started January 2026. They don't idle as we use them to travel between assets.

GeT_NiCE_@reddit

American pickup trucks have entire economies that are based around them. There are very few foreign competitors to American 1/2 ton-1.5 ton trucks (what are called ‘full sized pickup trucks’). Toyota and Nissan have tried to get into the 1/2 ton segment with some success, but overall, there just aren’t other companies making trucks like Ford, Chevy and Ram.

Beyond that, there are HUGE numbers of trucks sold into fleets in America where companies are financially interested in their longevity. They will pay for maintenance and repairs on even “cheap” truck models because miles driven means revenue.

Next, many of these work trucks are (relatively) simple in terms of technology compared to family cars. This simplicity often helps with reliability and longevity at the cost of efficiency. Trucks of a certain size in America are exempt from emissions standards.

Last, even the trucks offered on the used market may be useful to a business. Because they offer capability of revenue production, their value can remain higher than someone that is buying a car for their family. The family is looking for the least expensive way to get where they’re going, the business is looking at deferring an income stream if they don’t have the truck.

Thanks for attending my TED talk.

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HERKFOOT21@reddit

All this and I'd also add in two parts.

One is the American government is also a big buyer in these fleet trucks. At the federal level many are required to only buy American vehicles and the American federal government is a rich spender

And another is the American patriotism while also being the richest nation and third in population. Even your average Joe who lives in a small town in Iowa has more buying power than many in South America. Even though their taking on large debt, the American truck company still makes the sale. And even if there's an argument that comes in that they're not reliable, the American patriotism comes in bc people will stay loyal to these trucks no matter what. That's how they still kept selling well for decades and decades

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mangosmoothie1@reddit

I work for the government and use GSA's. But our fleet has a lot of Subaru Ascents and Sonata Hybrids. Idk what the requirements are, but they're American enough to qualify. We never need trucks.

my girlfriend works in us fish and wildlife. Her work vehicle is a ram 2500 with power wagon pack. So it's got a lift, winch, front and rear lockers, ram bed boxes. Fifth wheel hitch added. She doesn't need a truck. She goes out into the field sometimes, but it's to private land owners. 4x4 is nice, but nothing an AWD suv isn't capable of doing. She has the truck because when the office bought it, they needed a truck that could tow fish from the hatchery and whatever else. IT also needed to transport field crew once or twice a year. So, her office almost exclusively buys trucks for everyone because sometimes they need an actual truck. This mindset is a lot of other people too. They only want one vehicle, so pick a truck because sometimes they need a truck.

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czarfalcon@reddit

I’d add on that because they’re so ubiquitous, parts are relatively cheap and readily available and everyone and their mother knows how to work on them. So even if certain models and years might be less reliable on balance, it’s not enough of an inconvenience to most owners to switch.

And brand loyalty. There are people who have driven Ford/Chevy/Ram trucks for decades and would never consider anything else.

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ShadowOfTheBean@reddit

Brand loyalty borders on religion and it starts young.

This isn’t really true. What do you mean by most parts?

Crossovers typically do not share many parts with bigger SUV’s. They’re more like raised cars.

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Youcants1tw1thus@reddit

One example would be the ford flex which is built on the Taurus SHO platform, which has the same engine as an explorer, expedition, and F-150.

Dialed in, things like injectors, EGR valves, fuel pumps, might be in different housings but still share components. It doesn’t make sense to completely redesign every part for every vehicle.

The original commenter has replied saying things like window switches don’t count, but those parts still count toward reliability and crossover to different models as well.

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ruraljurorrrrrrrrrr@reddit

My theory is people are just more willing to fix pickup trucks because they hold their value, which is just due to demand. Putting a transmission in a pickup worth 20k after 10 years makes more sense than into a crossover that is worth 7k. Parts are cheap too since they are everywhere and everyone works on domestics.

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InsaneEngineer@reddit

A truck is useful. I have a 26 year old F150. I use it to haul stuff. I didn't care what it looks like, I just need it to work. Spending 5k in repairs is way better off than trying to source another used truck.

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HerefortheTuna@reddit

I think it’s actually just that people who buy trucks and need a truck can probably fix basic shit (or will pay to get it fixed because they need the truck)

mxracer888@reddit

A lot of good ol boys in rural America won't even look at foreign pickups. In their minds, GM, Ford, and Ram are the only American pickup trucks out there and not a single other pickup is even worth looking at. Ironically the Tundra is more American than the big 3 "American" manufacturerers.

There's also another sub-segmant of trucks which is diesel powered trucks and GM, Ford, and Ram are the only real players in that game. Yes, Titan got a diesel....and yes, it's arguably one of the worst diesel engines a pickup truck has ever gotten which is really saying something considering the 6.0 and 6.4 PSDs exist.

Source on the good ol boy mentality: I sold for one of the bigger Toyota dealers in my state. They would come in to look at a Big 3 used truck on the lot, and the offer to look at a Tundra was always extended and always scoffed at.

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Dynodan22@reddit

I am not loyalist had hyundias last 20 years and som has my last one going on 15 years very little money.into have a 4 runner and now a colorado 2023 truck hasnt given me one issue tons of mileage because I travel more and plenty of towing because the 4 runnner sucks for towing .I had some great gms and I been burned by gm 3.1 cast block alumnium heads constant gasket issues

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newtoaster@reddit

For the past 25 years or so Ford and GM have largely been reliable. Chrysler on the other hand, not so much...

They have very similar resale value depending on year.

utility.

diesel trucks especially are generally are used as tools, not necessarily just vehicles. this makes them hold value (or even appreciate in some cases) much better than most vehicles.

also, as a side note, the GMT800 is the most unreliable reliable vehicle ever made.

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thebiglerm@reddit

Trucks are built tougher than cars

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SailingSpark@reddit

Let's be honest. Aside from Toyota, who else makes a real full sized pickup? While not everyone needs a truck, but when they do, it tends to be a full sized one. This means that it is either Ford, GM, Ram, or Toyota. When you have that small a pool to draw from, prices start high and do not go down much.

The same age/miles Suburban went for about 1/2 of a Silverado. The Avalanches were up in the air, but generally about the same or slightly more, but those tended to be "nice" vehicles, where the owner kept them up, different wheels, etc.

I tried really hard to get a 2001-2005 Suburban but every single one got snapped up within a day or so (I tried all last spring/summer). I ended up getting a 2011 (next generation, with the cylinder deactivation, which I really didn't want). Cost the same as the 2001-2005s I was looking at.

I put a bunch of money into it but I suspect it'll be good for 10-15 years, if not more. My 2001 was good or 9 years, I got it in 2017, and I only replaced it because of rust. I did better and more thorough treatment on the 2011, I hope it works.

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Brilliant_Account_31@reddit

It's so hard for me to imagine Avalanches being pricy. They're so ugly.

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333jnm@reddit

Those are American trucks, not American cars. And yes there is a difference reliability wise. No one has ever said domestic trucks are unreliable. It’s always been the cars that were deemed unreliable.

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Glittering_Bar_9497@reddit

In general if you need to tow lots of American pickups will tow more. Also pre Covid the Toyo tax on trucks is there as well, I remember f150s selling for Tacoma money. Also depending on models some domestic trucks are more comfortable and offer air suspension and other luxury items, not that I think a truck should be luxurious but that’s the direction the truck market is headed.

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jules083@reddit

Brutefiend@reddit

Sure, but being succinct isn't that much of an ask. I'm going to be pedantic, as long as people can't give 2% more effort.

We are way off topic, however. US trucks aren't US cars. The market demands a quality product and the manufacturers deliver as such. I'm sure it's been answered already.

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dumpin-on-time@reddit

That wasn't very succinct and wasn't relevant to what you and I were talking about. why didn't you put in 2% more effort and edit your comment to include only pertinent information?

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Brutefiend@reddit

😂 alright champ

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dumpin-on-time@reddit

what's "alright" mean?

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Javier1019@reddit

Any car would last u forever if the proper maintenance is done.

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Manyconnections@reddit

American trucks are reliable. Thats what America does best.

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New_Inflation_8419@reddit

Because Trucks aren’t cars

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DiscreteEngineer@reddit

Let’s take brake pads for example. Trucks are built to haul trailers. So what happens when you’re driving around with no trailer for the entire truck’s life?

They last forever. We’re talking like 100k miles on a single set of brake pads depending how aggressive you are.

Now take that and scale it for all components on the truck.

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Ruleyoumind@reddit

American trucks have capabilitys that Asian trucks don't in the states. Also the majority of truck owners are businesses not individuals. Companies will buy 10-30 trucks at a time and a lot of smaller businesses buy them as well.

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aeternusvoxpopuli@reddit

Because Americans are sick and believe they all need giant trucks despite most of them not working in heavy trades. It's marketing, psychology, and imagery. It's selling something to someone and convincing them it makes them bigger and better, despite it robbing them blind in fuel costs and maintenance costs and poisoning our air.

an automotive mechanic who is tired of working on massive GX's and TX's and Tundras driven by middle aged soccer moms, c-suite white collar executives, and grandmas who can't walk without a cane

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Tundra_Dragon@reddit

I would imagine the resale value is high, because a New one costs 65,000+ instead of 15k for the base model, 20k for the 3/4 ton, and 30k for a 1 ton dually diesel.

I bought my first truck 20 years used, but it had the original build sheet still looped in the seat springs, so I learned that my 77 3/4 ton manual chevy truck cost $5,134 as built. I paid $1400 in 1998.

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Weekend_Donuts@reddit

You should look up the most likely vehicles to go 200k miles……..

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Dave_A480@reddit

Because nobody makes a competitive product....

Toyota makes the Tundra, which is only available in 1500 class...

And that's about it.

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AsoftDolphin@reddit

Ford was built tough before 2005

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sgtmilburn@reddit

What's the resale value of cybertruck?

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TheKiddIncident@reddit

Yeah, that's not really true any more.

These days, there is a global supply chain and most manufacturers have access to exactly the same parts.

Also, the move to electronic fuel injection means that cars are basically rolling computers. They will run perfectly until suddenly, they just don't.

American pickup trucks have high resale value because they're reliable and tough. There are plenty of F-150's in my area still running after 20+ years on the road.

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Stock_Block2130@reddit

We have had two Chevrolet’s, a 2005 Malibu and a 2008 Trailblazer. Both very reliable. Honestly as reliable as the Mazda Protege we had.

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ScaryfatkidGT@reddit

Have you seen Tacoma/Tundra prices?

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Walternotwalter@reddit

I don't know. But bring back the 3800 is all I can say. Or a modular pushrod V6 based on the new 6.7L V8 coming out.

There is no reason that it was abandoned. It got good fuel mileage even with old school 4 speed autos. It had an incredible torque curve and it would run on piss.

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alansdaman@reddit

Trucks aren’t cars. Different factories different standards. The trucks are built better, but also the “American cars are shit” schtick ran out in the mid 2000s. The quality gap is nonexistent effectively unless you buy jeeps.

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Desperate_Damage4632@reddit

Very few people actually care about reliability in their vehicle. They want something that's cool. Look at Jeep. Bottom of the barrel in reliability for 2 decades, still very popular. Because they look cool.

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RLBeau1964@reddit

To answer the question, pickups are in such demand because everyone seems to want one - simple supply and demand drives up prices. Toyota has a “Tax” in which people will pay more for them due to the supposed reliability.

When Toyota cost 10-20% more than domestic, it becomes worth it to buy domestic and use the savings for the occasional, possible part failure.

American trucks were made to be fixable. The Ford F150 today is still one of the most accessible and maintainable vehicles…

Old trucks are easy to fix and maintain and parts are readily accessible.

Because that market segment sells on a whole lot of things, and reliability is likely somewhere around 7th on the list.

"What my daddy drove" and "what my buddies drive" is as much or more of a factor than reliability ratings or any other logical reason to purchase.

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PlanetExcellent@reddit

One factor is that full-size American pickup trucks have almost no competition. There are no imported 3/4-ton or 1-ton pickups with diesel engines for high payload/towing applications.

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elmatt71@reddit

I typically look at it this way. If you want to buy a full size PU truck an American truck is generally a safe buy. If you are looking for compact car or small mid-size vehicle buy a Japanese made one.

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Wake-N-Ache@reddit

Because people will pay other people’s bullshit prices and est shit with a grin on their face.

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losromans@reddit

They didn’t have a high resale until a few years ago when there were claims of chip shortages. Now, it’s so inflated, something has to give. And when it does, I feel like a lot of used car prices are going to drop. But, dealerships mark up used so high to where people end up getting new anyways.

Basically, it's not like the Frontiers which have the strawberry milkshake of death reputation. Or Range Rovers, which go from 6 figures to 5k in a decade. They're just average.

A lot of people buying pickup trucks are brand loyal and will buy it regardless.

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Greedy_Pomegranate14@reddit

Because they’re not unreliable enough