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The repeal of pink slime - it was 50 years too late. How the fuck could people knowing eat that shit.

With petrol in your car, as a gas it is more volatile. What's the story with jet fuel. It's more volatile as a gas too but it's more important to remove the physical liquid as volatility vs thousands of litres/gallons volume will spread to cause a fire?

It's the unique 10,000 hour compression algorithm.

Hey Bill, I've climbed 4 8000 foot mountains - you? That's nothing man, 8000' ?! I breathed that air over 200 hundred times. Pffftt.

Your mother probably has a molecules of Aristotle in her composition. We're all made from, amongst other things, someone else.

if it wasn't in his hand it was sitting in the ash tray. He gave them up though in his 60's.

My old man was a 100 a day smoker. Then the flight deck was also made non-smoking. He kinda cracked up as all he flew was long haul.

It was Hawke who led to the airline's collapse simply bc he demanded pilots be treated the same as other workers. Hawke supported 'his mate' Peter Abeles. Hawke fucked over the pilots and in so doing fucked over the airline. In so doing fucking over his mate Peter Abeles. "The 1989 Australian pilots' dispute was one of the most expensive and dramatic industrial disputes in Australia's history. It was co-ordinated by the [Australian Federation of Air Pilots](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Federation_of_Air_Pilots) (AFAP) after a prolonged period of wage suppression, to support its campaign for a 29.5% pay increase.[^(\[1\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Australian_pilots%27_dispute#cite_note-1) The dispute began impacting the public on 18 August 1989 with pilots working "9-5" and was never formally resolved due to the mass resignation of pilots, cancellation of their award and de-recognition of their union. As part of this campaign, AFAP pilots imposed on their employers ([Ansett Australia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ansett_Australia), [East-West](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East-West_Airlines_(Australia)), [Ipec](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toll_Ipec) and [Australian Airlines](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans_Australia_Airlines)) a limitation on the hours they were prepared to work, **arguing that if they were to be treated in exactly the same way as other employee groups (the stance adopted by** [**the government**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_of_Australia)**), their work conditions should also be the same.** This initially took the form of making themselves available for flying duties only within the normal office working hours of 9 am to 5 pm.

Fucking Hawke. The 'people's champion' => Dear old friend Sir Peter, Rupert old bean, would you gents like an airline...

The older I get, the better I was...

Whilst there is a great deal of explanation about this, I found there is another half to the equation. Avoiding confrontation also leads to a back stabbing culture. English people absolutely eviscerate people.

Excuse the poor reminiscence I think in WW2 an English unit were about to be overrun and wiped out - they got on the blower and US artillery/another infantry unit? were the support. The Brits explained they were about to be overrun/wiped up with something like 'It's getting sticky here' which the Americans interpreted as no big deal. No help came.

How easy is it to unlearn a no flare landing - i.e. Do Navy pilots get screened down the list compared to ex-Air Force pilots when applying for a civy job?

NAP however the aircraft coming in to land there are generally a fair bit lower in alt. Suspect it was less about speed and more about descent slam? Happy to stand corrected.

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Fertilizer don't come from nowhere's - this way it's on tap.

As A medical Dr I'm a realist, medicine is about science, cold hard facts. Now Mr Johnson I want you to pee into this bottle for a sample. I'll just turn the tap on to create a sense of needing to use the toilet.

Crocodiles are quite a smart or ingenious creature. In the Northern territory water holes/swamps that have tributaries feeding into them, the crocodiles block the tributary so fish end up sitting around at its exit. The crocs just pull back a tad and the numerous fish all spill out into the crocs awaiting jaws.

Why, you might get to like it.

You can write a contract to cover your backside for almost anything. An all care taken but no responsibility accepted agreement is around for a hell of a lot of specialists/profesisonals.

"Burn baby burn"

I feel you put me in this cone of silence preventing any meaningful discussion.

In primary school the word said to write down and spellout was Chaos. Of course I was wrong, Kaos. Damn you Siegfried, you win again..

My father was F/E from Sunderland flying boats post war to 747-200's. He was a design engineer/mechanical engineer earlier in life ( in the resistance during the war, had his right knuckle 1/2 an inch down his hand from belting a German when questioned) and for want of a better phrase he believed engineering (for him) was the synthesis of intellectual, hands on and creative effort. He loathed PhD engineers. He said he knew every nut, bolt and wire of the 707. His first take off of the 747-200 he reckoned he knew about 25% of the aircraft and was shitting himself. (He was impressed by Chinese F/E who knew the whole aircraft in pretty much next to no time.) On one 747-200 flight there was smoke coming from the cabin wall in first class where a passenger was seated. He asked the passenger to move away (a BOAC pilot) so he could hack into the wall panel with a fire axe. The pax said the smoke is coming from over there apparently pointing to about a metre or two away. My father said, yes, but the problem is occurring where you're seated. The English pilot wrote to the Airline and complimented my father on his knowledge and quick action. Not all F/E are alike. We were pax Cptn passed by said hi to my father. Delay occurs Cptn comes down to my father "Could you check out the problem F/E says we need a part with an over night delay." I follow him to the landing gear. He looks it over, suddenly orders bark out. I need a tool box with x, y, z. Need some aluminum sheeting. He spends about 30 mins fashioning something, jury rigged, puts it together. The duty F/E looks sheepish, my father ignores him. Big thx from the Cptn, the airline acknowledges his effort. He changed with a pulley and chain setup an engine on a Sunderland, moored over water, with just 1 ground engineer at Lord Howe Is. A senior BA Cptn blamed the F/E for cutting the engine power by unilaterally following fire procedure engine shutdown before the Concorde's Cptn said to and was subsequently blamed for the a/c crashing. He loved the war time pilots he flew with and the chap who became the airline's Chief pilot (who taught me logs while we were on a posting in the UK) as blue eyed boys with steel traps for minds. The Chief pilot while with Boeing on what he wanted for the 747-400 apparently when Boeing bullshitted about what they didn't know tore the place apart. He evaluated the Tristar as part of a team for his airline and thought it was a beautiful, superbly made a/c. Unfortunately, he said, it was too late in the cycle of development when the twin engine jets were coming. He was the only F/E for his airline who was made redundant (last in, first out) and was rehired. And when redundant, was made redundant again with a new start up - that he never talked about bc the owner was accused of arson against the national airline. He thought in 3D and was systems orientated with a focus on safety always though with a practical bent. Pilots really enjoyed him since he was the get the job done type as opposed to F/E who were 'only' bookish. He couldn't believe one of his favourite Cptn's said "Dangle your Dunlop's" on a check for gear down and when warned said it again, to fail his check. He was the first (along with another) foreigner for that national airline and experienced racism being called a 'clog wog' but he felt it constrained his behaviour and he stuck to just doing the job. As said elsewhere, failed his last check as was racially profiled - the check F/E lost his job on investigation. Soured him refused to become a Check F/E when finished and become an antique clock repairer making movements. Even at home with just a simple lathe he undertook simple engineering making gear wheels for the clocks he worked on. MacKenzie and Wajcman (eds) in The Social Shaping of Technology described how British PhD engineers tasked with a new wing design spent 6 months on it - said it couldn't be done. A ground engineer overheard them, spent the afternoon hammering a small wing together and achieved the desired outcome. He was disabused by the PhD's bc he couldn't say why he knew what was required. He was teaching me to drive when the engine spluttered. I quickly switched off the engine thinking not to worsen the problem. I copped an earful - a massive earful of abuse about being an idiot, not knowing what I was doing and what I needed to have done was rev up. Chagrin is really embarrassing. I still have his log books and have given away most of his airline paraphernalia.

Nobody wants their engines spiraling out of control.

Check out "[Heavy metals, Sensodyn](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/17/toothpaste-lead-heavy-metals)e"

Sure, but also removes physical space for your competition.

My father retired in 75. I believe he was on a 40hr month, AUD $48k in '73 (happy to stand corrected.). Then our neighbour caught up with us in the 90's and he was also flying for Qantas. All he did was say how easy my father had it. He was a pro but beat, under constant pressure, almost hated it. "Never as good as in your day" he said a few times.

Qantas in the 60's and 70's. Pilots and other flight crew, (although 747's had INS, Q still used navigators in the early 70's and F/E in the 747-200) often complained of the long flights and the pressures to maintain schedule if problems occurred. However, I remember domestic pilots at that time (Ansett, TAA) often said two things, (i) I do real flying. Meaning they did, say, 6-8 takeoffs and landings in busy airspace a day, while the Qantas pilots may undertake 1 or 2 of each. (ii) We go home at the end of the day or the next day. What international allure? In the 60's with Super Constellations it was pretty much still interesting flying and piston engine aircraft while somewhat refined if under powered, had their issues. Plus the many stops on the Kangaroo route made crews into solid teams, mostly, and the world wasn't yet modernised so travel was interesting. Yet the quality of Qantas aircrew who had 20,000 hour log books who may have had 20% of the take offs and landing a domestic pilot had were so well trained that differential wasn't an issue. Apart from my father telling me they were landing in a typhoon at Kai Tak. After 2 go arounds the Captain basically said fuck it, fuel became an issue, and he just slammed the 747-200 down on the 3rd attempt. Then the ground handlers called up and said the Captain and the F/E might want to have a look at the undercarriage. The ground based strobe landing lights were wedged just above the wheels. Ok so you might think not too much a bigge. Except at Kai Tak those landing lights were placed on the roofs of houses. Another foot or so and they would have collected the roof.

P1 - P2 STFU it didn't happen. I won't say anything if you don't say anything. Yeah, I want to keep my job. Wonder if their log has anything for maintenance re: engine stress.

The difficulties of daily living have resulted in an urban mass that is everything it does not want to be. Envious yet desperate. Aspirational not for a Merc or the South of France but to give their kids some semblance of a normal life. Grasping for anything that brings people up, good, bad, ugly or indifferent so long as they can move on. What people experience is a totality of oppression yet they'll not have a class consciousness but defined by opportunism. I discovered a working class England, a middle class England I couldn't get away from quick enough. That the Tories survived on the working and middle class vote, that Brexit passed on the working and middle class vote, that Reform is alive on the working and middle class vote tells you there is a substantive segment of the population who are simply arseholes. Education doesn't open their eyes but instagram wrecks their soul.

I remember the European fallout, ahem Prince Bernhardt, receiving bribes from the Lockheed scandal. "The **Lockheed bribery scandals** encompassed [bribes](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bribery) and contributions made by officials of [U.S.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) [aerospace](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerospace) company [Lockheed](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Corporation) from the late 1950s to the 1970s in the process of negotiating the sale of [aircraft](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft).[^(\[1\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_bribery_scandals#cite_note-1) The scandal caused considerable [political controversy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_scandal) in [West Germany](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Germany), [Italy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italy), [the Netherlands](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netherlands), and [Japan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan). In the U.S., the scandal nearly led to Lockheed's downfall, as it was already struggling due to the commercial failure of the [L-1011 TriStar](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_L-1011_TriStar) [airliner](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airliner)." Wiki.The **Lockheed bribery scandals** encompassed [bribes](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bribery) and contributions made by officials of [U.S.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) [aerospace](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerospace) company [Lockheed](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Corporation) from the late 1950s to the 1970s in the process of negotiating the sale of [aircraft](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft).[^(\[1\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_bribery_scandals#cite_note-1) The scandal caused considerable [political controversy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_scandal) in [West Germany](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Germany), [Italy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italy), [the Netherlands](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netherlands), and [Japan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan). In the U.S., the scandal nearly led to Lockheed's downfall, as it was already struggling due to the commercial failure of the [L-1011 TriStar](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_L-1011_TriStar) [airliner](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airliner). Wiki

Rab C. Nesbitt.

Cut me off while I'm driving and I'll abuse you, destroy children's lives as a celebrity and so long as it doesn't embarrass the organisation just don't make it our problem, the organisation needs to look clean, it's your problem. It's rightly said, Democracy dies without accountability and transparency, yet elites in our society absolutely revel in being unaccountable and utterly opaque. They get away with everything. It's an area of modern life that really needs leveling.

Thing was with Saville - remember him him on the telly etc but 2 girls in my class (1974, Staines Massif) said he was a kiddie fiddler then. I never understood if ordinary girls from school knew why wasn't it known elsewhere?

Genuine Q: does a small gratuity work to speed things along, is it an insult, are you suckered if you give a bit of money?

I wonder how many English people, possibly more from the South (?) when they first heard Rad C Nesbitt on TV didn't understand him until a few minutes in. Had come to London from Australia, show comes up and I can't make out a thing. I'm just sitting there watching then about after 5 minutes of his speech, it was almost like I could hear the gears turning in my head, and he became perfectly intelligible. Mrs never got it though.

Said this one before. I watched my father do it. He was a F/E but we were traveling as a family in first class. I mention first class since the exit was through where we were sitting. The Captain passed to go inspect the issue with the crew F/E. Couldn't miss my old man, said hi, we have a problem but said nothing else. Anyway, Captain comes back in after 10 mins and comes up to my father, F/E says we need a replacement part we'll need to stay overnight. Quick description by the Captain and would you mind having a look at it? Follow the old man to the landing gear area, he looks at it - and as a 13 yr old kid then getting his backside whooped by him and suffering his FAFO attitude I was suddenly for the first time in my life, seeing him at work. Or should I say, in action. First, basically WTF do you mean we need a new part? Before the crew FE says anything in response he points at the ground engineers, I want this tool kit, need this, some kind of metal and blah blah. Gets stuck in does this, does that. hammers away. 45 minutes later all the while giving other people the stern treatment refashioned something and says to the Captain, it will get us to London they can replace it there. The crew FE looked kinda sheepish, my father was in his element, me the kid understood his way of doing things wasn't bc I was a little prick nor he, to get it done, time efficient, do what I say. Back on board Cptn publicly thanks the old bastard and some weeks later the Cptn reported the situation to the FE boss who gave him a written recommendation and company thanks. Which amongst all the other things he did for the company contributed to his position when he failed his final check. With a reputation being an old fashioned engineer type who put the company first the company (Head of F/E ops) didn't accept the Check Engineer's perspective. Check was investigated, apparently blew up something big amongst F/E's, we had quite F/E's coming to our house I'd never seen before offering support so it was a major issue both to who was failed and why he failed. Check lost his job for racism. They found a history of failing non-born nationals. And this was in the 70's. He was asked to be a Check Engineer (they retired at 55 then while pilots 65 so it was a way to keep making good money) but after that experience he just retired and didn't take up the job. As an aside about failing checks. One of my father's favourite Captains a war time legend lost his status in his check for "Dangle your Dunlops" as a colloquialism for lowering landing gear per protocol. The Check Captain gave him a warning not to say it again and to follow proper procedure. Nope. Said it again. He was a character with tons of experience and that stubbornness got him demoted to First officer. Cost him probs a couple of $100k back then.

Charlie in the trees.

Locking mechanism lever on the RHS. Eject, eject...hold on, Helmet safely on, check. Lean left to avoid brain embolism in the shape of a hammer perforating my brain. Check. OK let's go.

Those Chinese/Russian drones going to have a field day.

[That guy gets around...](https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/jun/19/greenvale-was-rocked-by-a-sonic-boom-that-shattered-windows-but-locals-say-the-silence-from-the-raaf-has-been-deafening)

It appears your nose is out of joint. So before I block you for the reason your human insight and rationalising ability is cuck, will make it simple for you. For you, it will be over explanation but it's quite simple. Post you responded to: "insane how the guy who designed the airplane flown by Amelia Earhart was able to hold a scale model of the B-2 Spirit. The history of aviation really is very short." You said, "That's only about a 60 year span..." My response to that where the following explication is the contextual inference on my comment, my father war born in 1921, he went into aviation after the war first on Sunderlands, then on Electras, Super Constellations. He, along with another Nederlander were the first foreigners to fly for our national airline. So you'll appreciate his standard had to be higher. His father was 'just' a barber struggling to get by locked in a small world that low income created. My father, who I remain in awe of, described to me his time on the 707 and what a difference it was as a F/E over the piston aircraft he flew in before. For example, if you're a pilot with jet exp you'll know on startup how important EGT is. When he saw his father and brought him over it was 1968. So in the context of "the history of aviation is very short", "...only about 60 years" that was pretty much his father's lifespan. It would be like getting a kid in the 70's, 80's, without access to the web and showing them the space shuttle deck. They would have probably seen a launch but if they were allowed onto the deck would they not be over-awed, if not over-whelmed by what they see - and all in such a small time frame. That's all - modern complexity in aircraft in such a short time frame without contemporaneous knowledge is amazing. Indeed, if it's your son dealing with that voodoo, modern magic, when you've been nothing more (with due respect) than a barber what it meant to my grandfather that his son was working, operating with the latest complex - stuff - way beyond him over his life time. I'd be over awed by what I saw too and proud my lad had achieved to become part of that.

Go FY.

My father was a F/E. His airline didn't fly to Schipol, NL but one flight they had a problem and landed there needing to wait overnight for parts. He was able to get transport to his parents house and brought his father back to see the 707. His family had their land stolen by the Catholic Church and suddenly from being wealthy his father needed a job so became a barber. Life was 'small' and apparently he was was pretty defeated by life. My father takes him onboard and never having seen inside a modern jet sits at the F/E panel and bursts into tears. "You, you do this, all this? What is it all, so very complicated, incomprehensible."

Very informative. Thank you.

And its corollary is that cheap speculation, the uninformed are worthless and cause more harm than good.