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Given how horribly inhumane they are, for glue traps to be legal they should be required to include a tiny captive bolt gun to put the mice out of their misery.

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xboxhaxorz@reddit

Glue and poison are definitely sadistic ways to kill, its basically applying maximum pain and suffering, i would imagine most people would choose being crushed to death over poison or glue Snap traps do fail, but its still the best option
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remarkless@reddit

Electric traps are the way to go. Snap traps make too much mess and have the potential of snaring tails, or breaking limbs leaving a trapped alive mouse. Give 'em the old Topsy treatment.
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copenhagen_bram@reddit

Does it have a little sponge you have to wet?
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Designer_Lead_1492@reddit

Maybe I’m going a bit too much in the weeds with the biochemistry here but I think he may have been saying that since each poison is very different some are worse ways of dying. Cyanide poisoning interrupts a step in the electron transport chain that prevents oxygen from becoming the final electron acceptor and basically you asphyxiate within minutes even while breathing is unimpeded. The burning alive is referring to uncouplers of the electron transport chain such as DNPA which basically allows protons to bypass the proton pump and your body wastes a ton of energy trying to sustain the proton gradient and you get extremely hyperthermic and die.
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remarkless@reddit

ok
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Designer_Lead_1492@reddit

Yeah idk why but my comment was responding to a different thread and somehow ended up here so I deleted it. Sorry for any confusion.
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Needle44@reddit

I’d like to give a shoutout to bobs burgers for informing me of who Topsy was so I could understand this reference.
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CptDrips@reddit

Do you know if the trap went off by the smell of burning hair?
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remarkless@reddit

Usually they have a blinking light, some have apps. Never experienced the smell of burning fur.
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xboxhaxorz@reddit

I didnt know they existed, if they do then yea that would prob be better
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idwthis@reddit

I found Thomas Edison.
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I_might_be_weasel@reddit (OP)

https://youtu.be/DtE-EmXUmnY?si=PnsToao0c3J9OfNz
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Maniklas@reddit

Personally it depends on what poison....I'd much rather die from cyanide poisoning than be burned alive.
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Hairy_Stinkeye@reddit

Point of order: fire isn’t poison
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Designer_Lead_1492@reddit

Maybe I’m going a bit too much in the weeds with the biochemistry here but I think he may have been saying that since each poison is very different some are worse ways of dying. Cyanide poisoning interrupts a step in the electron transport chain that prevents oxygen from becoming the final electron acceptor and basically you asphyxiate within minutes even while breathing is unimpeded. The burning alive is referring to uncouplers of the electron transport chain such as DNPA which basically allows protons to bypass the proton pump and your body wastes a ton of energy trying to sustain the proton gradient and you get extremely hyperthermic and die.
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copenhagen_bram@reddit

TIL a proton pump is a thing biology does. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proton_pump
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taintmaster900@reddit

How do you know that? Never been poisoned by fire, have you?
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thelondonrich@reddit

Fire can’t poison ghosts, it’s not a door.
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International-Lab839@reddit

I bet there's a guy somewhere out there that's both been poisoned and set on fire in one go. Like he takes a drink, poison... Then for good measure soen dude just doused him in petrol and burns him... I bet he lived too, that's the crazy twist with those type of stories. Last rabbit hole I went down was about a guy that got struck by lightning 8 times, turns out he died after the 8th, but not from the strike or complications from it, but because he didn't feel well mentally anymore, so he offed himself.
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taintmaster900@reddit

Shit dude. I think after the 3rd lightning strike I'd accept that God hates me and that it's time to teach that asshole a lesson up there
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International-Lab839@reddit

I don't believe in any god or karma or anything... People rarely get what they deserve, sometimes, but in my experience you just get what your given. Rarely are people actually appreciated as a person. I wonder if it was something in his genetic makeup, or possibly he had some kind of bioaccumlative heavy metal thats levels were so high they attracted them or something. It IS strange to be hit 8 fucking times, no one can dispute that shit. JFC
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taintmaster900@reddit

Oh, sometimes I get what I deserve. Sometimes I give people what they deserve. Karma doesn't work like that, you're not supposed to receive the full sum all in one lifetime. Later on down the line you might get hit by lightning 8 times and you're like "damn. Whys this happening." And it's because you didn't separate your recycling in your last life or something. Idk. I'm a vessel of direct karma, hand delivered.
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International-Lab839@reddit

Lmao
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International-Lab839@reddit

Shit dude I just cried laughing. I watched that clip after linking it and the guy outran a lightning storm in his truck, when it looked safe he stepped out and was immediately struck for a 4th time...poor guy but fuck 😭
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International-Lab839@reddit

I'm sorry I misremembered it was 7 times but still fuck me. https://youtu.be/eoBj9vIRgGw
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Logical-Database4510@reddit

Does anything combust with stomach acid? I'm sure something does... Talk about an absolutely terrible way to die, geez....
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No_Access_5437@reddit

Sure, but sooner or later there will be mice and rat epidemics. In fact, there already are as the "humane" movement had all poison switched to a much milder version to protect other wildlife and rats and mice are now becoming immune at an alarming rate. We have an infestation in my school district right now, they are literally falling out of ceilings mid class. Snap traps are great for a single pest in the house. Not dealing with numbers like this.
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xboxhaxorz@reddit

ContraPest is a contraceptive for rodents, there is another version in development for stray animals, cause there are tons of them all over Mexico, getting hit by cars [https://contrapeststore.com/](https://contrapeststore.com/) [https://conntraceptol.com/](https://conntraceptol.com/)
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AnxiousBrilliant3@reddit

Idk snaps give the advantage of being minimal pain, but also have a chance of being the worst possible pain I once found a rat that obviously got snapped but then able to scratch it way out and crawled a few yard with its rib cage completely exposed. I fault horrible to say the least. 
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Fair-Improvement-464@reddit

They make a good target after being stuck in glue. Use it to zero your gun.
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Sullyville@reddit

My mom used a glue trap once. But then she was too scared to get the mouse trapped in it and called me. I was too scared to get near it too and so I got a branch and touched the branch to the trap and then took the mouse outside that way. Fortunately it was wintertime and there was snow on the ground. I went to her backyard and immersed the mouse in the snow. Hopefully it freezed to death relatively painless. But I don't know what people who live in warm places do. If you have a swimming poool, do you just drown it? I dunno. The whole thing was very scary and harrowing because this mouse is squeaking in panic the whole time and shitting literally onto the glue in fear and I told my mom i wouldn't ever do it again so she needs to either get a cat or get a humane trap.
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Bawhoppen@reddit

Freezing it to death honestly sounds vastly more cruel than letting it starve... but if you wanted to be humane, why couldn't you use a knife or crush it with a rock or anything. 
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Gamemode_Cat@reddit

Actually if they freeze to death anything like humans do, it isn’t that bad after the first bit. After the initial cold and pain, people get numb and the brain pumps out endorphins and hallucinates vividly until it shuts down. 
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EmpatheticShaman@reddit

There's a reason why vets/animal labs don't recommend freezing a mammal to death. Stop spreading misinformation.
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Gamemode_Cat@reddit

Please provide a rigorous proof that debunks the statements made in my specific comment. 
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EmpatheticShaman@reddit

Here is a [guideline as an example](https://www.michigan.gov/-/media/Project/Websites/emergingdiseases/Folder1/Humane_Euthanasia_of_Bats-Final.pdf?rev=ea62cbba8f884145b832d1c042d2e518), in it is says freezing is unacceptable: >Freezing (inhumane – formation of ice crystals on the skin and in tissues may cause pain or distress) Do you even know how freezing kills? Now f off.
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Gamemode_Cat@reddit

Your reply does not address the content of my comment. 
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EmpatheticShaman@reddit

All I have to show is that freezing to death isn't a humane way to kill a warm-blooded mammal. You have zero argument.
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Gamemode_Cat@reddit

Does my comment claim that freezing to death isn’ta humane way to kill a warm blooded animal? 
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EmpatheticShaman@reddit

You said the freezing process gets the individual "numb and the brain pumps out endorphins and hallucinates vividly until it shuts down." Which would actually be a humane way to end a life if it was actually true.
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Gamemode_Cat@reddit

We’re getting somewhere. I couldn’t find my original source (I want to say it was a reader’s digest article a decade ago), but here’s some sources on the issue: https://amp.dw.com/en/hypothermia-what-happens-when-your-body-freezes/a-63891663 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypothermia
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Sullyville@reddit

> why couldn't you use a knife or crush it with a rock or anything. im too squeamish for that im sorry im not a good person
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Poyri35@reddit

Dude, you are a good person. You went and helped your mom even though you also didn’t want to be near the mouse. This shows that you are a kind person and willing to help others Don’t let yourself or others convince you that you are a bad person just because you don’t like being near mice and failed to kill *one* mouse as fast as possible
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Bawhoppen@reddit

I imagine you meant well and it's in the past now; I think though overcoming hangups to do the right thing is important. 
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Real900Z@reddit

When me and my sister were younger a mouse got stuck on a glue trap my grandmother set, and it had struggled to get out so hard that it had pulled its skin off of its body in one spot. It was still alive and had been there for hours, trying to pull off of it so hard that it was literally ripping itself apart
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Real900Z@reddit

also if you get anything you like on it that shit is fucking STICKY it fuckin will not come off easily
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abracadammmbra@reddit

At an old apartment my wife and I had some mice. We had a cat but she was old and her mousing days were over (watcher her watch a mouse once only to ignore it, I declared that she had officially retired). We got some glue traps but Lumpy (the cat) laid on one. Have you ever tried to hold a cat down while using safety scissors to slowly cut its fur off of a glue trap? I have. We threw the rest of the traps out without catching a mouse. Which was good because I wasn't a fan of the glue traps anyway. Last winter I used the snap traps and they worked well and kill quickly
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Real900Z@reddit

yeah glue traps are a mess, i think it was olive oil or some other oil that can make it work free a bit but not too sure atm.
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abracadammmbra@reddit

It was a while ago but I think we started with that. It was working a bit but it was taking a while and obviously the cat was not happy about the whole thing. So we just cut some of her fur off. It was getting a bit long anyway so it wasn't a huge deal.
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Slipperysteve1998@reddit

That's the worst way for a creature to go. It suffered terribly and you need to find a way to do better
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Microwave234@reddit

He was a kid calm down
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abracadammmbra@reddit

I could think of a few worse ways to go. Personally, between starving to death or being frozen, ill take being frozen, its quicker. But thats why I use the snap traps. A quick death is best.
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Slipperysteve1998@reddit

Put it in a garbage bag and stomp it. Freezing is one of the worst ways to go
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BaakCoi@reddit

My family only used glue traps once because it was so horrifying. My dad put the poor mouse out of its misery with a hammer to the head
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SquirrelNormal@reddit

I break their necks, because I'm not a fucking animal.
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Basic-Cricket6785@reddit

Mice chew and destroy. Piss and shit all over that which they don't. I don't lose a second of sleep over glue traps.
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MuchToDoAboutNothin@reddit

I froze up trying to respond to this, remembering the amount of trauma I experienced living in a shitty apartment building that got overran by mice in the winter as I tried to use humane kill traps before finally giving up and switching to glue. The sounds of them scurrying in the walls, my helplessness, the damage to my belongings. Yes they deserved to die and I hope they burn in hell. Screw gimmicks and compassion. Be ruthless and efficient.
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Bawhoppen@reddit

So empathy falls out the window the moment it inconveniences your self interest?
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CyanCyborg-@reddit

I get it. I abhor causing any animal unnecessary pain. But have you ever had a full blown rat infestation go on for months? I remember the third month of hardly any sleep because of the constant chewing and squeaking in the walls, and them pissing and shitting all over my house. There is a point for everyone, even the most hardcore vegan,  where they will throw their reservations out the window and just want them gone by any means.
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riotmanful@reddit

That is how most people function, it’s just an easier time not having to judge most people as callous and cruel when they are put in any inconvenience.
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Gamemode_Cat@reddit

Realistically? Yes. Mice pose a real and present risk to property and health. It is usually more important to fight off an infestation than it is to act in a humane way. You don’t catch and release bacteria when you’re sick, do you? You burn them out with any means necessary. 
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Bawhoppen@reddit

Those are whitehot rationalizations to avoid putting in a tiny bit of extra effort to kill them humanely. Respect life.
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Gamemode_Cat@reddit

I will respect life when it respects my life. Mice do not do that. Therefore I will take any and all steps necessary to eradicate the threat, whether humane or sadistic. I also notice that you didn’t refute that they are dangerous to property and health…
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Bawhoppen@reddit

They're animals, living, breathing, feeling things. Being needlessly cruel is detestable. The fact you are personifying them as having acted against you is ridiculous. Killing quickly and normally is necessary for things, but harboring a mindset of revenge and torment towards animals that know no better, is depraved.
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Gamemode_Cat@reddit

There’s nothing needless or depraved about it. Mice infestations put people in danger. I will take any steps necessary to remove that danger. The wellbeing of the mice is rather inconsequential to my goal. Is that fair to the mice? Perhaps not, but that’s an unfortunate fact of life. If nonlethal catch and release traps work best, I will use nonlethal catch and release traps. If traditional mouse traps work best, I will use traditional mouse traps. If glue traps work best, I will use glue traps. Simple as that. 
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Bawhoppen@reddit

Well, you should start caring.
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Frodo_VonCheezburg@reddit

You miss the point, I think. They are discussing the most efficient ways of eliminating mice infestations regardless of the cruelty. You seem to be implying that the cruelty is the point and that is where the misunderstanding lies.
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Bawhoppen@reddit

I understood their argument, but my point was that, if you are not giving the extra small amount of effort to dispatch them humanely, then you are being cruel through negligence/inaction. It is very possible and achievable to deal with them in a manner that does not add extra misery for these animals. Finally, this person specifically said 'they can go to hell'... which implies they intentionally are happy, or at least content, to let them suffer somewhat at least. All these things together point to someone who has a cruel mindset and approach.
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MuchToDoAboutNothin@reddit

So how many mice have you had to live with before? For how long?
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Gamemode_Cat@reddit

I care. I just care about people more. 
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EmpatheticShaman@reddit

It certainly is depraved if you think sadism is okay.
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EmpatheticShaman@reddit

A dog doesn't respect my life, doesn't mean it's okay to abuse dogs.
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sh1tpost1nsh1t@reddit

I think most people would be happy to use more humane traps if they were as effective. But at the end of the day getting rid of the mice, and the real problems they cause, is more important to them than being humane. It's a weighing of values, and while they may come to a different conclusion than you, it's pretty rational, rather than being a rationalization.
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MetallicGray@reddit

Enjoy hell if you believe in it lol Hope you never cause an inconvenience to someone else, cause if they follow your ethical compass, they’ll just kill you in a tortuous way instead.  Also good job someone jumping through mental gymnastics to not acknowledge that you can ethically kill pests. It’s a choice, and if you *choose* to put an animal through a tortuous, suffering death when you can *choose* to ethically kill it, you’re an evil asshole and I hope hell is actually real for you. 
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Gamemode_Cat@reddit

I’ve addressed everything you attempted to bring up in other comments, feel free to peruse them at your leisure. 
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MetallicGray@reddit

I’m not gonna go through your hoops with you lol When you have two choices: an ethical, painless killing and a tortuous, suffering killing. You actively *choosing* to willfully cause unnecessary torture and suffering to an animal is disgusting. There’s no ethical defense to be made. It’s really simple. 
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Gamemode_Cat@reddit

Sure, yeah. If you reduce any choice into a false dichotomy and any argument into a straw man, then it makes a lot of things really simple. But that’s not how the real world works. 
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MetallicGray@reddit

> You don’t catch and release bacteria when you’re sick, do you? You burn them out with any means necessary.  False dichotomy and straw man, you say? You should learn what big words mean before you toss them around lol In the real world, you have an active choice to ethically kill pests or to tortuously do so. I’m agreeing and recognizing the necessity for the greater good to manage pest populations, and prevent infestations. When doing so, there *is* a choice to ethically do so.  A person actively *choosing* to tortuously kill the pests through suffering, prolonged deaths is making an unethical (and evil) choice when an ethical method is available that would minimize pain and suffering.  This isn’t complicated. You have two things in front of you, one causes a prolonged, suffering death and the other causes a quick painless death. Which of these two things should you choose when both are equally available (as they are to the vast majority of people we’re discussing in the previous context)? This isn’t even some high level ethics discussion or debate. This should be a very easy answer. 
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Gamemode_Cat@reddit

You assume every trap is equally effective at catching mice. 
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EmpatheticShaman@reddit

Glue traps aren't even necessary. They are prohibited here and we do just fine without them. Additionally, if a pest control tech needn't use them in his [15 years on the job](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ektu5xaYWmI), that just makes it even more the case.
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Gamemode_Cat@reddit

Imagine mass replying to someone’s comments, and in the same session both complaining about false equivalencies and then relying on an anecdote. So much for the rigor of the argument, huh
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EmpatheticShaman@reddit

Imagining coming across as a complete twat, trying to rationalise what is essentially animal cruelty.
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MetallicGray@reddit

Alright, bud. I’m not sure why it’s so difficult for you to acknowledge you can make a choice to handle pest more ethically than not. Idk what you’ve got going on or what ego you’ve got that restrains you from a simple ethical decision, but whatever. I hope when given the opportunity you would choose an ethical option over a non-ethical one. Should be a no brainer, *even if* the ethical option is a slight inconvenience for you, is that inconvenience not worth minimizing the suffering an animal experiences? Would you want a larger or more intelligent being to choose a tortuous or painless death for *you* if it viewed you as a pest? Does framing it in that question help?  Just blows my mind it’s so difficult to acknowledge a person should opt for a painless death for something over a suffering one when given the choice, even if it’s a slight inconvenience to you. I can’t see any rational for not doing so other than cruelty. Hope you can learn to minimize pain and suffering in your life when possible. And for your own sake I’d pray karma or hell isn’t real if you’re really out there choosing to inflict suffering when you could choose not to (again assuming you’re not just an edgy kid trying to make some dark edgy internet comments). 
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Silver_Somewhere_702@reddit

Intentionally misinterpreted strawman, nice
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EmpatheticShaman@reddit

Who cares. How about not being a giant PoS and culling animals humanely instead of putting them through hours to days of torture?
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MetallicGray@reddit

Y’all really need to learn what the logical fallacies and words you’re throwing around me lol. It hurts your case more than helps when you misuse them.  
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Silver_Somewhere_702@reddit

You simplified it to two strawman choices that does not represent the actual scenario the original commenter was talking about. You made it into a question of painless death or torture but conveniently left out that one choice is significantly more effective against serious mice problems than the other and goes beyond the scope of “wanting” to torture mice.
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MetallicGray@reddit

Is the slight inconvenience to you worth the torture and suffering of another being? In regard to the ethics of a tortuous death vs a painless one, I had (mistakenly) assumed that we could all agree an *inconvenience* to the killer could be disregarded due to literal death and suffering being the ethical point.  My mistake. I shouldn’t have made that assumption about others. I’ll concede I should have acknowledged that the cost of choosing a painless death for an animal over a tortuous one is the inconvenience it causes the OP. Aside from the *inconvenience* of having to set more traps with lower catch rates, you quite literally have a free choice when standing in the aisle at Home Depot.  It’s not that deep, you all are just trying to justify your unethical position for some reason. It’s not that hard to literally just say “yeah, ya know I do think if given the option you should choose a painless death over a suffering one for an animal”. That should be a pretty easy decision for people with a scrap of empathy or compassion for other living things. Idk maybe y’all are just arguing for the sake of arguing, or are some edgy kids just being edgy. 
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Silver_Somewhere_702@reddit

Yes, basically everyone would choose a quick painless option over the other if that was THE ONLY PARAMETERS. You are being intentionally obtuse and misrepresenting the argument.
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MetallicGray@reddit

I disagree. I can literally go to Home Depot and look at the available traps, and make a choice on which trap to buy. 
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Silver_Somewhere_702@reddit

Okay, so its confirmed now that you are not understanding the argument at all.
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MetallicGray@reddit

Okay. Have a nice day. 
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EmpatheticShaman@reddit

Comparing microorganisms to mammals. Nice false equivalency.
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Fragrant_Pudding_437@reddit

No one is suggesting catching and releasing mice
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Gamemode_Cat@reddit

I’m sure antibiotics are an efficient and quick way to kill bacteria, and don’t cause any “suffering”. That’s why it takes anywhere from weeks to years for some antibiotic regimens to be fully effective. 
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Fragrant_Pudding_437@reddit

1. That's the only way available to kill bacteria, so the comparison doesn't make sense 2. Pretty sure they don't cause suffering, because, bacteria are single celled and lack any kind of nervous system. So the comparison doesn't make sense
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Gamemode_Cat@reddit

Suffering is a nebulous human term. It applies poorly outside of the species, and worse still with life that is further removed. Perhaps bacteria do experience something akin to pain or suffering, how would we know? 
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Fragrant_Pudding_437@reddit

Because of their lack of a nervous system We can say with confidence than mice, along with virtually every animal, but especially vertebrates, and especially mammals, feel pain, because they have similar nervous systems and pain receptors to humans. Plus, just common sense. If you work one day at an animal hospital you will see with your own eyes that they experience pain. Or if you have had the misfortune to see videos of people torturing animals, the evidence is clear Plus, the scientific consensus that animals feel pain Plus that fact that they use rodents to help understand human pain https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6935695/
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Gamemode_Cat@reddit

Is a nervous system the only possible way for an organism to experience negative stimuli? Or is it the only way we understand that they are experiencing negative stimuli? 
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Fragrant_Pudding_437@reddit

Maybe not, but if they can experience at all, we can say with confidence that it is to a much less advanced degree than animals, and especially vertebrates, because their entire biology is less advanced. Plus, we currently only have one way of killing them, unlike mice, of which we do have more humane methods
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MetallicGray@reddit

Your kind destroy the entire planet and ecosystems.  They’re just trying to live, just like you are.  You like even a scrap of empathy if that’s how you really feel and you’re not just being an edgy teenager online.  Mice have emotional capacity to suffer, why would you willing, consciously choose to inflict suffering on *anything*? Your kids are annoying and destructive sometimes, does that warrant them suffering a tortuous, prolonged death? I’m sure you or your partner have been an annoyance, broken things, caused harm to others. Get my point? It’s nice to just dismiss it and say “it’s just a mouse”, but you know well that mouse is capable of experiencing pain and suffering (and if you don’t know a quick google will show you all the research demonstrating their emotional capacity and intelligence), so why willing inflict such an experience on a living thing when you have the ability to *not* make it suffer? Why choose to be unethical and evil when you can *literally choose* to ethically handle the situation?
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CyanCyborg-@reddit

Someone's never delt with a rat infestation.
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Slipperysteve1998@reddit

You better stomp that shit as soon as its caught or you're an asshole. In our house we have to use glue yraps for to household allergies and we always put the little dicks out of their misery 
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Basic-Cricket6785@reddit

Guess I'm an asshole. I have better things to do than to do regular sweeps of my traps.
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Slipperysteve1998@reddit

Buddy. They stink, you can't miss a mouse in these things. When you see one put it in a bag and stomp it, it's really not that hard
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Basic-Cricket6785@reddit

It's my shop. I've lost two welding rigs to wire-chewers so far. The glue trap gets chucked in the fire pit to await the next burn, about once a week. So, they wait either in the shop where they were caught, or they wait in the fire pit. Im pretty sure I haven't burned one alive yet, but I'm not bothering to stomp them.
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Ill-Process7706@reddit

So you're torturing small animals for personal revenge. Got it, that's much more reasonable.
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EmpatheticShaman@reddit

So instead of putting them out of their misery, you throw them into a fire pit? Sounds like an animal cruelty felony there.
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Basic-Cricket6785@reddit

Right. Outta sight, outta mind. Seriously. They've cost me $$$$ on several welding units, and I'm not playing around with hantavirus. Bunch of soft-handed Eloi in this sub.
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EmpatheticShaman@reddit

I do not care. You have the animal trapped and helpless, at that point it's got nothing to do with money or material objects. You decided to torture the animal, which is a felony.
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EmpatheticShaman@reddit

I hope your shop gets burnt down. Bad karma to torture animals.
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Crafty_Criticism5338@reddit

this is actually straight-up gross
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EmpatheticShaman@reddit

They're a massive PoS. Even bragging about how they throw the trapped animals into a fire pit, what a sicko.
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EmpatheticShaman@reddit

Like what? It's several seconds. You're more likely to waste time on reddit.
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DearMrsLeading@reddit

A house full of rotting mice isn’t any more clean than a house with live mice.
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EmpatheticShaman@reddit

Worse than an a-hole, sounds like felony animal cruelty to live an animal alive on a trap (and throw it into fire pit).
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Tacodogz@reddit

Have you seen like **any** sci-fi story? Cuz in half of them, the aliens have that same view except about us. And in the other half, it's human having that view about aliens and why that's so awful
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MrTheWaffleKing@reddit

Guys have you seen Star Wars? Proof by fiction
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Tacodogz@reddit

Proof by empathy. The fiction is just a way to help people feel that empathy
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MrTheWaffleKing@reddit

You coulda gone that route first lol, people see fiction and get less responsive in my experience
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Tacodogz@reddit

That's a shame. I write short stories for fun and absolutely love everything about fiction
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MrTheWaffleKing@reddit

I mean morals can be imparted by media driving viewers to frame dilemmas in a different way- oh that fox would be much happier if he didn't have a grass is greener mindset over the grapes he couldnt reach... But you started off by asking if people had seen \[genre of media\] as if it has any basis in reality, rather than pointing to something specific with the moral you're trying to display.
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Tacodogz@reddit

It's pretty clear I'm asking people to imagine themselves in an alien glue trap. The natural next step is to wonder how the mice in our glue traps feel. The media is the cultural touchstone that quickly and effectively communicates that. So to recap: My evidence is the empathy people feel when placing themselves in the mice's shoes. The media is a way to get people to hop in those shoes. Any other questions?
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No-Rich7074@reddit

Mice are not human, therefore it is not inhumane
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PictureTypical4280@reddit

There is nothing wrong with glue traps… those disgusting critters spread disease and are pests.. they all deserve to die
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ZealousidealFarm9413@reddit

Just stick them outside. Cat brings them in. Sometimes its the same one, mouse.
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MsScarletWings@reddit

We sure love giving toxoplasmosis another home. Cats need leash laws unironically.
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ZealousidealFarm9413@reddit

Doesn't bother me, its having fun and its nice to see it happy.
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MsScarletWings@reddit

Watching street dogs tearing random wildlife in half like-
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ZealousidealFarm9413@reddit

Its not that uncivilised here yet, no street dogs. 
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LetTheDarkOut@reddit

They are mice. Vermin. They spread deadly disease, chew wires and disrupt infrastructure, and poop everywhere. Who tf cares whether their death is painless???
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iaminabox@reddit

I had a boss buy some of those traps. They are not humane. Shattered the mouse's skull,he was writhing in pain.
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I_might_be_weasel@reddit (OP)

The glue trap shattered its skull?
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iaminabox@reddit

No,the pneumatic bolt.
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I_might_be_weasel@reddit (OP)

There are traps that use a pneumatic bolt?
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iaminabox@reddit

Unfortunately yes.
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I_might_be_weasel@reddit (OP)

Messy, but quick and clean is the right way to kill pests.
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Poyri35@reddit

> Shuttered the mouse’s skull, he was writhing in pain From how they described it, it doesn’t sound quick nor clean
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MsScarletWings@reddit

Death is accepted by a body neither quickly or cleanly almost all of the time. The important part is just destroying the ability to perceive and feel pain first.
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otkabdl@reddit

You don't have a hammer?
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theoneyourthinkingof@reddit

That means they would have to periodically check the traps and deal with it, and at the point the mouse has been suffering since its capture, the idea of the automatic gun is that the mice doesnt have to wait to end its misery
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otkabdl@reddit

Oh, like some kind of spring-loaded trap that instantly kills the rodent? I'm going to invent it!
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I_might_be_weasel@reddit (OP)

No, I was imagining just manually killing. them with a tiny captive bolt gun.
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MsScarletWings@reddit

Unironically I would love something like this just as a tool to have at my job (pest control tech). More than a couple of times I’ve found still living rodents stuck on glue boards or insect monitors and it absolutely breaks my heart. I started bringing one of the heavy duty snap traps with me for the occasion.
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otkabdl@reddit

then...why not hammer?
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MsScarletWings@reddit

Not all glue traps are used for mice. Professionally, I deploy smaller ones indoors all the time as insect monitors (context: cockroach infestations). I’d completely agree with any push to phase out the larger rat boards, though.
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Timelord_Omega@reddit

No.
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Turbulent-Name-8349@reddit

Whew, at first I thought you meant glue traps for mosquitoes.
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MetallicGray@reddit

Mosquitos can still experience “suffering”…
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Amazing_Phrase2850@reddit

Good.
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MetallicGray@reddit

Hope you never find anyone bigger or more intelligent than you with your mindset then. 
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Amazing_Phrase2850@reddit

Mosquitoes are responsible for more human deaths (and by extension, sever suffering) than any other insect in the world. Each year, Mosquitoes transmit diseases like malaria, dengue fever and Zika virus to millions of people globally— cumulatively generating the most death, disease, injury, and high level, long term, widespread, complex suffering than any other at least possibly partially sentient creature. And they transmit these diseases with total disregard for the trauma and torment they leave behind, focusing primarily on the feast that is our blood. TLDR: fuck mosquitoes in particulars
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Swollen_Beef@reddit

I think mosquitoes are one of the few insects that could go extinct tomorrow and the planet suffer zero short or long-term effects.
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BartoUwU@reddit

Are you really crashing out over a mosquito
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MetallicGray@reddit

“Crashing out”  Lol isn’t it still school hours kiddo?
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BartoUwU@reddit

Believe it or not, but not everyone lives in your time zone
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MetallicGray@reddit

Damn lil man, show your friends at school that sick “gotcha” tomorrow!
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BartoUwU@reddit

Sure will, friend. Will also make sure to show it to your wife's boyfriend
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MetallicGray@reddit

Wait a gosh darn second kiddo. I thought you weren’t from obese land? How’d you know about my wife’s boyfriend?
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SimilarElderberry956@reddit

I remember those fly traps people would hang up in the 1970’s. I do not know if they still make them.
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Crab-_-Objective@reddit

The glue strips that come wrapped up in a little cylinder? Yeah they still make them.
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LawAshamed6285@reddit

They do still make them, they are effective as hell but sadly also catch the insects you dont want gone
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Armanhammer2@reddit

Honestly glue traps for roaches are nice. Let those fuckers suffer. It sucks when other critters get stuck on them
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Less-Squash7569@reddit

I bought a bunch of glue traps before when our neighbor moved out and their mice tried to move in with us. I ended up having to use olive oil and patience to get all the mice off the traps and let them out in a field down the street where im sure they were eaten by some confused raptor who wondered about the olive flavor and greasyness. After like 4 mice I couldn't take it, so now I have a cat.
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abracadammmbra@reddit

Why not use the snap traps? Thats what I used. Quick, efficient, and effective. I felt a little bad for the little guys but my garage near my laundry is not the place to be. Should have stuck to the woods.
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Less-Squash7569@reddit

They were given to me by my apartments pest control. I guess now at 30 killing mice makes me feel worse than it did at 20. Either way I wanted a cat. This way I ended up not having to pay a fee because we got lucky and the lady at the front office had kittens. Thats how I got my cat bidoof
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abracadammmbra@reddit

My wife's cat was gotten for the explicit reason of killing mice when she was 13 living with her great grandmother. She was pretty effective from what I understand. By the time I was living with my wife Lumpy (the cat) was old and had 0 interest in chasing down mice. So we use the snap traps now, although I haven't had an issue since Dec last year
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Less-Squash7569@reddit

We got the cat as a fresh 1 brain cell recently weened kitten so he was no mouser either. I was always told the smell of cats it usually enough and I wanted a cat anyways so we took him in and luckily it worked. No signs of mice since we got him. Thinking back, it all may have just been a convoluted plan for the landlady to get rid of her kittens. It worked
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EmpatheticShaman@reddit

I knew this kind of post would make psychopaths crawl out, check out some of the comments: one bloke's trying to justify suffering by comparing mice to bacteria. Another person is saying he doesn't have the time to check his glue traps and give a mercy stomp (in fact he throws them in a fire pit).
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I_might_be_weasel@reddit (OP)

I only managed to use glue traps once before I couldn't handle it. So when regular traps weren't working, I tried love traps. And that got some results. But I didn't know what to do with the mouse so he's been in a hamster cage for 3 years.
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abracadammmbra@reddit

You kidnapped a mouse?
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I_might_be_weasel@reddit (OP)

... ... ... Yes.
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WindRangerIsMyChild@reddit

Mice are worse than bacteria they are like you. 
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baumpop@reddit

In times of plague you’d happily crush a mouse or rat underfoot. This is kind of an indication of modern thinking. Things are actually pretty chill compared to the entirety of human history so we have time to develop feelings for rodents.  Don’t get me wrong I’ve been a Jainist all life is sacred dude my whole life but that kinda also proves my first point. 
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I_might_be_weasel@reddit (OP)

Comparing our morality to medieval presents is probably too low a bar.
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GuyYouMetOnline@reddit

Yeah, almost anyone would look good compared to us. 😀
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PM_ME_SMALL__TIDDIES@reddit

Literally the entire western world until like, 200 years ago: "I get to buy and sell people" This dude: Wow so moral
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abracadammmbra@reddit

It was the whole world really. Slavery was a pretty universal thing for most large societies for most of human history.
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PM_ME_SMALL__TIDDIES@reddit

Yeah, i only said western world because i assumed this dude was a westerner. I know brutality is the norm and human rights are the exception , and thats exactly why this "everything now sucks and the past was more honourable" discourse gets me irritated
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abracadammmbra@reddit

Things might suck now, but they definitely sucked more in the past. Id much rather deal with the plague of social media than well, the actual plague.
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baumpop@reddit

Tell that to Baruch Spinoza 
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One-Possible1906@reddit

We would use glue traps for mice in adult homes. We didn’t want to but you can’t use snap traps where people who have mental disabilities and dementia and such can stick their fingers. I did have a resident come up to me with a glue trap stuck to their fingers once but if it was a snap trap it’d be an incident report.
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shadowthehh@reddit

The difference between that and OPs post is the quickness though. If you *gotta* kill something, it should be as quick and painless as possible. Sticky traps and poison are some of the most diabolical and horrific ways to do it.
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littledeaths666@reddit

So- your humane approach is to torture the mouse first w the glue, then execute him?
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I_might_be_weasel@reddit (OP)

Yes but it's weird when you say it.
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abracadammmbra@reddit

Why not just use the snap traps? I got a pack of 6 (they were nicer plastic ones) for like $10. They kill pretty quick. I used peanut butter for bait.
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abracadammmbra@reddit

I had mice in my garage the past winter. I just used snap traps. They were pretty nice too. The bolt gun idea just seems silly when you can buy a snap trap. Or, conversely, there's a rodent trap that uses a revolver to kill the mouse. Granted, it was designed to be used outside for burrowing animals on a farm, but im pretty sure a .38 pistol will kill a mouse with very little suffering.
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Barto_212@reddit

My parents used to use glue traps when we had a mice problem. I felt bad for them so I'd cover their heads with a paper towel and squish their heads to put them out of their misery. It made me sad and I felt horrible but I also felt horrible seeing them on the glue traps.
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Augustus420@reddit

Take your index finger and your thumb and quickly pinch the base of the neck.
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sh1tpost1nsh1t@reddit

When I've had to kill a mouse in a glue trap (fortunately only a couple times), I placed a grocery bag over the trap and then just stepped on it while wearing a shoe. Then I could just grab the bag and toss it. Its kind of grotesque but I figure it's an instant kill and I don't have to touch it that way.
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manofdacloth@reddit

I tried this too but used a mallet hammer straight to the skull. I was in my garage and the snap echoed like popping bubble wrap
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DopeHammaheadALT@reddit

Take your vehicle, turn it on and get the fuck out of here with that shit 😂
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Augustus420@reddit

What? Have you seen some of the responses? One person was so freaked out they just dumped it in the snow.
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Autodidact420@reddit

Touching the captive rodent isn’t your best hygienic option... Just bash it. Or drop something on it. Etc.
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I_might_be_weasel@reddit (OP)

Sounds like it would be really convenient if you just had a little captive bolt gun...
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Autodidact420@reddit

I like it, a lil air gun, perhaps a mini spear, tiny hammer, or a handle for bashing could also work. Or a tiny needle filled with deadly but not painful chemicals
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I_might_be_weasel@reddit (OP)

Think like a pen cap that has a spring loaded fork tong in it.
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P1zzaman@reddit

This sounds like a good way to arm mice with tiny captive bolt guns.
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bionicjoey@reddit

And then you get mouse adeptus astartes (moustartes) with storm bolters
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shadowthehh@reddit

MTG Bloomburrow x 40K sets.
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HonestAbek@reddit

Holy shit I’m in.
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Docjaded@reddit

If that's what it takes to get Skaven into 40K, it's a risk I'm willing to take.
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TK-329@reddit

i don’t think there’d be much of anything left if you fire a bolter at it /s
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I_might_be_weasel@reddit (OP)

That's why there are no Skaven in 40k.
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ConfidentSkirt5320@reddit

...that youre aware of...
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I_might_be_weasel@reddit (OP)

https://youtu.be/1twlf0ApxEE?si=Yf_iihvKYzNjQqq3
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aresthefighter@reddit

Skarven doesn't exist-live underneath your city
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deadlydeath275@reddit

EXTERMINATING VERMIN IN THE NAME OF THE GOD-EMPEROR!
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No_Milk515@reddit

I use a hammer
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Kysman95@reddit

Does the same applies for insects? Can we even make mosquito sized gun?
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Ill-Intention-306@reddit

Mosquitos are below vermin and should be exterminated without mercy. Skeeters get the .45
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Mr_Quackums@reddit

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Bug-Slayer-Salt-Blaster-Indoor-Outdoor-Fly-Eliminator-For-Flies-And-Mosquitos-1-Blaster-56210/327129461?source=shoppingads&locale=en-US&gStoreCode=6547&gQT=1 There you go
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Traveller7142@reddit

Why not just use a shoe or a board?
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karenskygreen@reddit

I used one once because the glue trap was the only one the store sold. That poor mouse surfed his way to burial at sea .
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Big_Cucumber_69@reddit

You guys will say stuff like this then eat bacon (Pigs are not killed via a captive bolt)
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I_might_be_weasel@reddit (OP)

Well then they should also be killed like that.
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Big_Cucumber_69@reddit

They are more intelligent than other animals, even dogs, so they are able to understand that they are about to be killed, as you can imagine they fight for their life pretty hard. This makes getting the gun to their head pretty hard. Instead they are put in a cage (something they are used to) then the cage is lowered down into a chamber of Co2. Many break their teeth biting on the cage bars trying to escape, since Co2 buildup in the bloodstream induces panic and burns the eyes and airways in the concentration its used in. Takes about two minutes for them to lose consciousness.
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Fragrant_Pudding_437@reddit

Not to mention the entire life they lead up until their death
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Not-a-babygoat@reddit

Maybe in some slaughter houses. The ones I've seen have a conveyor bolt and a machine bolts their brain before they even know what's happening.
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JayTheSuspectedFurry@reddit

Why can’t we deoxygenate the cage instead of CO2 buildup? For example: human’s don’t notice they’re suffocating sometimes because our brains only detect CO2 buildup, not lack of oxygen. So if we just use a simple asphyxiant like nitrogen, the pigs wouldn’t notice that they’re suffocating?
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MettSemmell@reddit

In germany there were experiments where they used a vacuum filled "bell" in which the cage gets lifted. Basicly a exit bag for a lot of pigs. But probably Helium is way to expensive to use it everywhere.
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agitatedprisoner@reddit

They use CO2 pits because it'd cost lots more to use an inert gas like argon or nitrogen. Nitrogen is much lighter and that'd mean needing to redesign the whole thing, probably. Argon maybe they could just swap out but argon is much much more expensive.
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Lagneaux@reddit

Damn. The teeth are the best part
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SquirrelNormal@reddit

I've slaughtered pigs with a knife, I buy local when I can because of this
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Any_Use_4900@reddit

Yeah, and some people would think it's more brutal to kill something yourself... but it's more... honest? To me atleast, when I harvest an animal, I know I did my best to make it as quick as possible, and buying meat at the store is just outsourcing the killing (not that I don't buy any meat, I just prefer to harvest myself when I can). Animals eat other animals and they rarely are as quick and efficient as a sensible human; they frequently eat their prey alive. I see no reason to feel bad about nature being nature.
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DRose23805@reddit

Glue traps are useful for spiders and pretty the only way to deal with many species of them. It is unfortunate that sometimes other things get in them though.
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Southsideswag16@reddit

Am I supposed to inspect the probably hundreds around the barn daily to make this work?
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_skank_hunt42@reddit

Use a traditional snap trap. They’re cheap and instantly effective. If outdoors use bait stations. There’s so many better options than glue traps.
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Any_Use_4900@reddit

When I use both types, the mice seem to evade the snap-trap and get caught by the glue traps. It's not even dependant on position, I can swap them places and the same thing happens.  I have 2 kids and I'm not going to stop using glue traps because it's the only thing keeping the mice from leaving droppings in my kitchen cupboards (even the dish cabinets that contain ZERO food). Mice can carry disease and I'll kill every last 1 I can rather than risk my kids getting sick.  I put the mice out of their misery and kill them as soon as I see 1 in the glue, but I'm not going to feel bad for vermin that don't belong in my house. I won't cause any unnessesary suffering, but I'll use whatever is the most effective at catching them.
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Working-Emu5739@reddit

“how could you possibly expect me to treat living beings with respect if it slightly inconveniences me??”
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SquirrelNormal@reddit

Use a traditional trap that breaks their necks ffs
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TenSnakesAndACat@reddit

if u have hundreds of glue traps maybe just use literally any other method
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Maximum-Algae-8107@reddit

Where yo barn cats at boy what u need dem for
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I_might_be_weasel@reddit (OP)

Yes. Glue traps are fucked. Why are you even putting down that many glue traps? Use one of those buckets they fall in and drown. Still not as quick a death as would be ideal, but way better than glue traps.
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BubblySystem2185@reddit

my stepdad would just toss it in the garbage…
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Angel_OfSolitude@reddit

You could just do what I do and put the mice out of their misery. Some old hedge trimmers make quick work of them.
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