My friend said, "Congratulations on your new job. How did you get it?" I replied, "The same way the Virgin Mary got Jesus." He laughed, "A miracle?!" I groaned, "No..."
Posted by 808gecko808@reddit | Jokes | View on Reddit | 79 comments
"Sex that I can't tell anyone about."
shaezan@reddit
Bonus if you can keep your old job (Joseph) to keep paying you while you work the new job.
ArbutusPhD@reddit
Wait - did Joseph marry her and then perform coitus with her after … god did?
mrgoobster@reddit
Hard to say. According to Paul, Mark, and Matthew, Jesus had siblings. It's just not clear if they were Joseph's children from another marriage, or Jesus' full blood siblings.
The Catholic and Eastern Orthodox churches insist that Mary remained a virgin, so they dance around the idea of siblings. Protestants generally agree with the historical/textual evidence that Mary and Joseph had other children after Jesus.
Nice_Anybody2983@reddit
And before, I believe there are some apocryphal stories about that. I think she wasn't that kind of virgin, just a virgo= young woman. And pure of heart or something.
YourAncestorIncestor@reddit
Actually the original Hebrew text does not say “virgin”, it says “young”. One thing I’ll never understand about Christians as a faithful Jew is how they can persist in beliefs stemming from clear mistranslations and misrepresentations of the original text.
DontMakeMeCount@reddit
Because everything true is in the Bible and everything in the Bible is true, so once it is cited as a source any further consideration would be blasphemy.
At least what the geologist I work with tells me. He can draw a detailed map of what the earth looked like 80 million years ago and he can tell me the earth is 4,000 years old and he can do both in complete earnestness without recognizing any cognitive dissonance.
magicmitchmtl@reddit
The translation error happened long ago, when the Hebrew Bible was translated into Ancient Greek (the Septuagint). Long before Mary or Jesus were born. The verse in question was a prophecy written in the 8th century BCE, Isaiah 7:14, “therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign: the maiden is with child and she will bear a son, and will call his name Immanuel.” The word “Almah”, Hebrew for young woman, was translated to “Parthenos”, Ancient Greek for virgin. As for the name mismatch, Immanuel-El translates to “God is with us”, so it is acceptable to take that as not a literal name. The Hebrew name chosen was “Yeshua”, meaning “Salvation” or “God Saves” (using god’s shortened name, Ye, rather than title, El), translated into the Greek as “Iesous”, and then the Latin “Jesus”.
Nice_Anybody2983@reddit
It's absurd. But as a faithful heathen, I don't find the question of the absurdity of matters of faith to be a helpful yardstick for understanding religion anyway 😉
Emerald_Plumbing187@reddit
because hebrew is foreign and jesus is a WASP, silly. now get out of here with your carbon dating and historical supplementary commentary.
DontMakeMeCount@reddit
Historians tend to guess Mary’s age at 12-14 based on cultural norms at the time, religious scholars at 15-16. It would have been unusual for a mother to be one-and-done at such a young age, so I tend to agree with the “dance around” characterization.
aidanillionaire@reddit
But that’s not considering that people could consecrate themselves to God as was not an unusual practice back then.
angelerulastiel@reddit
They don’t dance around. Both my Lutheran school and Catholic schools discussed that it’s like calling your mom’s best friend “aunt”. Or the funny story about the person who claimed bereavement for like 4 grandmas because it was a Native American tribe where all the elder ladies are considered your grandma. Ir when people say “they were more like my brother”. It’s a translation thing where they said siblings, but they meant close extended family.
mrgoobster@reddit
Yes, that is the dance. Their dogma forces them to make a very silly linguistic/cultural claim. Here's the clincher: Paul uses the word 'cousin' in Colossians 4:10 when referring to somebody's cousin, and 'brother' in Galatians 1:19. Then he later refers to Jesus' brothers.
It's actually easier to defend the 'children from Joseph's earlier marriage' argument, because in that case Paul would simply call them brothers. The problem is that the Catholic church makes both claims (cousin and stepbrother).
In other words, they're committed to Mary's perpetual virginity and don't care how you rationalize it. Making sense is not the point. Having a coherent version of history is not the point. That's the dance.
Shulgin46@reddit
Isn't it great how the major religions can pick and choose which parts of their holy texts should be taken literally, metaphorically, allegorically, or to just mean whatever they want a certain passage to mean? They can pretty much believe whatever they want, and they've got the documentation to back it up. All they need to do is tell you that a certain part means either exactly what it says, or something completely different.
IolausTelcontar@reddit
Jabberwocky_Puck@reddit
I’m as anatomically impaired as a Ken doll.
— Metatron
IolausTelcontar@reddit
Was he in that Charlton Heston movie?
ehsteve87@reddit
The idea is that Joseph was already an old man and there was no Viagra back then.
IolausTelcontar@reddit
Take it up with Rufus.
ArbutusPhD@reddit
This is why I giggle when religious people accuse progressives of performing mental gymnastics.
The “flexibility” required to accept articles of faith like this is just wild.
magicmitchmtl@reddit
No. He got there first. That’s why Jesus has an older brother, James. Younger brothers, too (Joseph, Simon, and Jude). Since it’s all mythology it’s hard to nail down any truth (some sort of truth probably existed once).
Many like to believe that James is the “eldest” of the other three. Many Catholics pretend that all three are step-brothers, children of Joseph from a previous marriage, and that Mary was ALWAYS a virgin (yeah, totally normal for a married woman).
There are other possibilities as well, with the most reasonable being that “virgin” is just a bad translation, since the word could just as easily have been translated to “pure” but would have been less miraculous and more vague. Some attribute the Virgin Birth to Mary’s own birth, rather than the birth of Jesus (creating the vessel pure enough to carry the child of god, or some such).
The most likely situation is that Jesus was either the son of Joseph or an affair and god doesn’t exist.
ArbutusPhD@reddit
How did Joseph get there first if she was a virgin?
magicmitchmtl@reddit
They were already married. She wasn’t a virgin. A marriage was only considered legal once consummated, and in some instances that consummation required witnesses. “Virgin” was a bad translation. The Roman Jews of 2000 years ago didn’t record much in English, or any other modern language other than Hebrew. The Hebrew word “zach” can be translated as virginal, innocent, pure, transparent, and more. I’m assuming she wasn’t transparent. “Tzach” means mostly the same, with less transparency. “Tahor“ means pure, unadulterated, absolute, or sheer and refers more to moral purity.
In the case of Mary (also not her real name), the word used in Isaiah 7:14 was “Almah”, which means “young woman” and can be translated as “maiden” which would imply, but not outright say, virginal. If they wanted to say virginal they would have just used the word “Betulah” for a “chaste young woman of marriageable age”.
The word “Almah” was translated into the Greek as “Parthenos”, meaning virgin. It is from that choice that the future myths evolved. This translation was done long before Jesus or Mary were born. The prophecy also says that the son will be called “Immanuel”, but religion has never let details get in the way of a good story.
ArbutusPhD@reddit
Isn’t the idea of it being a virgin birth what made it a miracle?
magicmitchmtl@reddit
No. The miracle was that God was able to get laid without transforming into a swan or a bull, giving him bragging rights at the next conclave of greater divinities.
ArbutusPhD@reddit
So there was this woman drinking from a river…
deathbytruck@reddit
I wonder if Joseph was curious why Mary had a white blonde haired baby?
Seeing how they were both Middle Eastern. What was the talk around the dinner table after that birth.
magicmitchmtl@reddit
They were living in the Roman Empire. It was a very multicultural civilization, and apparently far less racist than most modern empires. That aside, there’s no way Jesus was white. Or named “Jesus”.
deathbytruck@reddit
Woooosh
magicmitchmtl@reddit
Not even slightly. I just figured anyone who thought that comment was clever would most probably not understand very much about the Romans, or any part of history.
PedroFPardo@reddit
And some sisters whose names or number are not explicitly mentioned but are assumed to have existed.
magicmitchmtl@reddit
Absolutely, and a very good point. Erasure of female figures from the past (and mythology) is all too common. Even the Judeo-Christian god once had a wife.
tkeelah@reddit
There are at least 5 other ancient legends of a virgin giving birth to a god, and stories of three wise men witness to the birth. Meanwhile, who did Jesus 'marry' and how many kids did they have? How many descendents are there today?
TheHealadin@reddit
Way more than 5. It was a popular biography trend for awhile.
HughJorgens@reddit
If I remember right, there were 14 Messiah's. I think Jesus was 8 or 9.
magicmitchmtl@reddit
There have been a lot more than that. They didn’t end with Jesus. There are plenty walking the earth today.
Squiggy45@reddit
James, according to the Bible, was Jesus' younger brother - not necessarily the blood son of Mary, but younger than Jesus nonetheless. Do you have any verses saying otherwise?
Spinoza42@reddit
That's a matter of contention. Catholics say no, Protestants say yes (or possibly).
ArbutusPhD@reddit
Right, but despite not knowing what Mary actually did during her life, she was totally real … right guys :)
jongopostal@reddit
Everyone knows Mary was a whore
aidanillionaire@reddit
Even if you aren’t religious, your comment is absurd
jongopostal@reddit
She just happened to be wandering the desert with a dude who was soooo not the father at 9 months pregnant? Why wasnt she at home. Maybe got run out of town with torches and pitchforks?
Bramse-TFK@reddit
In first century Judea, marriage was quite different that modern western practice. A Jewish marriage was composed of several parts, the first Kiddushin was similar to modern engagement. Next there was a period of time the Husband had in order to make a home for his wife to move into, often a year but the point was that the Husband was financially ready to care for his wife. One aspect to the waiting period between Kiddushin and Nissuin was to provide confidence to the husband that his wife to be was not with child when they were married thus "ensuring" paternity of any children. Once they are ready to live together the Nissuin was when the couple began cohabitation and were from a legal and religious perspective formally married. Finally a wedding feast was a communal event that could last several days.
While in structure it is similar to modern marriages, the engagement was a legally binding commitment and the waiting period was primarily for the husbands benefit. Whenever the couple began living together they were considered legally married. In the case of Joseph he could have gotten a divorce from Mary because she was pregnant during this waiting period, although it wasn't unheard of for couples to become pregnant during this period depending on the wealth/class of the families involved.
Joseph was her husband and they were going from Nazareth to Bethlehem to register in the census and pay taxes. They were not "ran out" of Nazareth, and Mary was travelling with Joseph specifically because she was pregnant.
jongopostal@reddit
Its cute that you think these people were real.
Bramse-TFK@reddit
Historians in general believe these people were real.
SusanMilberger@reddit
implying religion makes things more absurd
Sprinklypoo@reddit
Well it does...
aidanillionaire@reddit
Like I said. Even if you aren’t religious, the comment is absurd
Sprinklypoo@reddit
Nah. Pretending to know things about mythical characters is what the religious do. I'm not into that.
jongopostal@reddit
Fair enough
Me3stR@reddit
Canonically, Mary was between 14 and 16 when ahe got pregnant.
whyamihere999@reddit
Did they have capability of getting pregnant without having sex in those times?
magicmitchmtl@reddit
Look who still believes in man mothers!!!
Me3stR@reddit
Either joseph, or god, (depending on what you believe) raped her
therealdilbert@reddit
or they were just a married couple that had a kid
BlackShieldCharm@reddit
Yes, but at her young age, consent is dubious.
magicmitchmtl@reddit
She was probably around 14. In those days she was a full adult. 14 year olds were routinely married and starting families. 40 was considered old and living past 70 would make you a near mythical immortal.
Depending on where and when you were living, 70 years old could be counted as high as 280. They often measured time by seasons rather than years, and in rural areas even that was roughly.
yankeephil86@reddit
Parthenogenesis has been a thing since the beginning of time. So yes.
whyamihere999@reddit
In humans?
MajesticPosition7424@reddit
I’ve heard of shotgun weddings, but you’re saying this was a cannon wedding?
whoismowgz@reddit
Removed?
LetsJerkCircular@reddit
It must’ve been really offensive…
magicmitchmtl@reddit
No. The punchline was something like “No… sex I can’t talk about”
rodthman1613@reddit
Why don't they remove the whole thing instead of teasing me with the beginning of a joke??
Crafty_Link_4549@reddit
Things that make you go, “hmmm”
nyouhas@reddit
…a miracle enabled by the workings of the Holy Spirit?
Muffin-Muncher0001@reddit
Blasphemers!
MajesticPosition7424@reddit
I read an essay and have double checked it against other sources, that the “Immaculate Conception” refers to Ann/Anna/Hannah, Mary’s mother who was childless was impregnated by god, conceived without original sin, and thus remained pure. As far as Mary being a virgin, that’s is believed in many places, probably not Catholicism, to probably standard terminology for “young woman” or “young wife.” “The Immaculate Conception, often confused with the Annunciation of the Incarnation (Mary's virgin birth of Jesus), was made dogma in the Catholic church by Pope Pius IX's papal bull, Ineffabilis Deus, in 1854.” (Nixon, Virginia (2004). Mary's Mother: Saint Anne in Late Medieval Europe. The Pennsylvania State University Press. pp. 12–14. ISBN 978-0-271-02466-0.)
Full_Aperture@reddit
Abducted by aliens and artificially inseminated ?
Evan_802Vines@reddit
God and Joseph, Eskimo Brothers
Don_Loco@reddit
The bread of the sandwich
Evan_802Vines@reddit
Amen
Don_Loco@reddit
So, Anal?
ThunderLord1000@reddit
I thought it was "I got fucked by God"
thehermit14@reddit
Terrible.
Performer-Careful@reddit
Juden.
K1_1@reddit
Ha.
bussinbeats@reddit
When do we get ribs and apples?
OldElvis1@reddit
Well done