I am amazed at how many Chinese gamers are hackers/cheaters. And I think they're running a business around it.
Posted by OneFitzableBoi@reddit | talesfromtechsupport | View on Reddit | 42 comments
So I work for a gaming company and cover basic account issues (updating info, recovering lost accounts, order issues, basic tech), and one thing I've noticed in a year of work is that almost exclusively, Chinese players are hackers, or offenders for using cheats in games.
It's always the guy that's expecting fast replies from you, like he's in such a hurry, and says he wants to get back to playing his game, or that they've spent so much money on buying stuff in the game, then you see the country listed on his account isn't from China, but is using the common Chinese email addresses like "@qq.com" or "@163.com". And after looking the "account" that they have, you'll see clear traces of it not being originally theirs. Same goes if they say they want to link a console to their account and play games on it. The moment you ask them to verify the account with security questions, they drop comms.
On top of that, they're always so adamant when it comes to ban appeals, especially in shooter games. They'll be angry as hell that they got banned but when you check, its a system-detected ping and not a user-reported one, seeing software that manipulates their spawn time, their game such as having no recoil/aimbot. But whenever you tell them to submit an appeal, they don't speak to you after that.
The funniest part I've seen is that sometimes within a day, I'll have multiple people contacting about their hacked account saying they want to recover it, but it'll be one same account. I'm talking like you speak to someone from Europe but is using Chinese as their preferred language, saying they want to recover that account. When they can't verify, drop. A few hours later, someone from a different country in Europe wants to login to the account but are getting errors. Then its the same hacked/banned account. Like several people trying to recover just one account, as if they've all been assigned to it.
Now I know that selling/buying game accounts are a thing, but I'm feeling that they've made a business out of it at this point. Hacking/stealing accounts from all over the world, selling it to locals, then handling issues if they have to contact customer support for the accounts.
Its crazy as well that they can do this much. Like... why go through all the trouble of stealing other people's accounts, and play with hacks/cheats? Nothing sounded fair in that sentence, but that's what I see day-in, day-out. I'm a bit of a gamer too, but if I find a game's too hard, adjust difficulty, or play a different one. I guess they think using hacks to win more is their way of "adjusting difficulty" in a game where you have to be fair.
Time_IsRelative@reddit
This is nothing new. Way back in the day I played World of Warcraft when it first came out. Our server had a large amount of obvious bot farmers that would run macros to just endlessly loop through areas killing easy mobs that dropped decent amounts of gold. If you started killing mobs in the area eventually you'd get angry DMs in Chinese.
It literally was a business. They'd work in shifts to run multiple bot accounts 24/7 farming gold and selling it online.
Any game where there's any sort of progression that people might be willing to pay real money for an advantage is a business opportunity.
I don't think it's just the Chinese players, but they seem like a majority, possibly because there's enough of a history (knowledge, hosting, farming operation centers, and online sales venues already established) that they're able to quickly scale up these operations to be profitable.
Stranjer@reddit
Its kinda funmy/crazy when you find out the person who started the Chinese WoW gold farmers was fucking Steve Bannon when he worked for Goldman Sachs. It was an investment opportunity.
Turtledonuts@reddit
Him and his good buddy Jeffery Epstein.
-Goatllama-@reddit
Fun read: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/20575446-in-real-life
pyrhus626@reddit
Granted the MMO I’m most familiar with these days I play on Americas servers, but RMTers are almost always South American, Filipino, or from Southeast Asia. Pretty much anywhere American dollars convert very favorably and go a long way. Which, I don’t really mind except when they try to get pushy or angry about loot. I kind of get because for a lot of them selling these items or in-game currency from them is there job basically and their main income, but it gets old
sh4d0ww01f@reddit
Also the monetary value of there currency is kinda low so they can get a good income in comparison to real work because they get paid in euro or dollar or another stronger currency. So the price for the buyer isnt that high but for the seller its a good chunk of monthly income.
yodaniel77@reddit
Yep, currency arbitrage is often the reason - same on Twitter where many of the ragebait politics accounts are run from e.g. Pakistan because the ad revenue generated by the engaged is actually meaningful when converted from USD to local currency.
asmcint@reddit
They've been making businesses out of this stuff for a LONG long time. MMOs have been affected by a lot of this behavior the most, with major RMT cartels, account theft rings, and bot farms. But also cheating as a service has also been a thing for a long time, big money maker in online gaming. And it's no joke that for a time (not so sure about now) it was more profitable in some places to bot on RuneScape than to work as a doctor.
Turtledonuts@reddit
Guess who one of the earliest and biggest investors in that business model was, specifically the ones paying chinese gamers to farm on WoW?
That's right, it was JEFFERY FUCKING EPSTEIN.
georgiomoorlord@reddit
I used to troll people on runescape that pressing alt and f4 gave them infinite money. And then watch the gullible people vanish in real time.
Because_Reezuns@reddit
Used to open online games on Diablo 2 titled "item dupe" and tell people to drop their items and hit alt- f1, f2, f3, etc. up to f7 and their items would duplicate. Lots of free SOJ's that way.
I'm so glad I'm not like that anymore. Now-me would've beat the snot out of younger-me for pulling some shit like that.
mister-ferguson@reddit
I witnessed someone do something to a player at the end of a cow level. Suddenly they were running in a straight line and dropping all their money. It was nuts.
Because_Reezuns@reddit
That was basically a virus you get someone to download and run. It's acted like a macro that completely took over your mouse and emptied out your entire inventory. My friend and I tried it out in a private game to see what it would do. We were usually super cautious because of the shit we used to pull
TheChickenReborn@reddit
I remember playing TF2 years ago and convincing people to open the console and type unbindall to get godmode or something. If you don't know that just erases all keybindings, so they couldn't move or even open the chat window or voicechat. They'd just be standing there unable to move until they closed the game or figured out how to reset their keys.
Olli399@reddit
AFAIK in that respect, Chinese culture is almost like an arms race, if you get an advantage over your competitor fair or foul, doesn't matter, your opponent lost and needs to cheat like you to win.
Hence the whole chinese clone thing.
Nitrotetrazole@reddit
That's literally it, they're conditioned to win at all cost by an hyper competitive society, that's why you see chinese cheating even in games where cheating is pointless.
McTrinsic@reddit
What I learned about them is: there is no win-win scenario. If you don’t clearly win, it feels like a loss for them. In negotiations, that means for them that they didn’t squeeze you out enough.
nifty-necromancer@reddit
Ferengi
Evening-Group-6081@reddit
It’s a culture thing in china, cheating isn’t seen as morally wrong; losing because you didn’t cheat is seen as foolishness on your part rather.
persondude27@reddit
There's probably a selection bias as well, and the fact that there are 1.4 billion Chinese people (twice as many people as all of Europe, and 4x as many as there are US citizens).
But the cultural thing is dead-on. I worked in clinical research, and we launched a study in China. We caught a couple of sites fabricating research data (eg, an 9 year old kid struggling with asthma would suddenly, after weeks, have the lung capacity of a fully-grown adult male... literally impossible).
When you would call out the Chinese site for fabricating data, they would threaten our jobs and reputation. Yeah, cool, not how it works in medicine in the West.
taleorca@reddit
Life is inherently unfair to begin with, gotta make the most out of it.
cbftw@reddit
Winning is all that matters. It's not important how you win, just that you do
Zeero92@reddit
Feels like a culture that encourages you to be a sociopath. Scary, honestly.
fresh-dork@reddit
as seen in their civil engineering. tofu dreg construction and all that
son-of-a-door-mat@reddit
In Neil Gaiman's novel Reamde, Chinese gamers play a significant role in the plot
tesseract4@reddit
Definitely one of his lesser books, imo.
cbftw@reddit
I abandoned that novel because of how unrealistically the game was run. No admins? No way to fix issues? Yeah, no. That game doesn't survive opening weekend
2ByteTheDecker@reddit
different horny smarter-than-thou author. Although to my knowledge Stephenson hasn't done any heinous shit
guystarthreepwood@reddit
Neal Stephenson 😉
son-of-a-door-mat@reddit
sure it's Stephenson! thank you so much!
Skullclownlol@reddit
"At this point"?
The black market for game accounts and in-game currency is worth billions (USD) yearly.
Krillo90@reddit
The people that make and sell the cheats to the cheaters also sometimes charge up to hundreds of dollars a month for them.
2ByteTheDecker@reddit
yeah I didnt want to be a dink about it but OP's talking like he just stepped out the time machine from 2013
Ratnix@reddit
You're a decade too late there. They've been around almost as long as MMO's have been.
paishocajun@reddit
Lol OSRS gold farming is literally a viable job for I think Venezuela or Ecuador to the point that when their country lost Internet for a bit the Grand Exchange activity almost flat lined. Stuff like this has been going since there were ways to use real world cash for in-game stuff or accounts, like 20+ years now
Necrontyr525@reddit
afaik and don't quote me on thins, it's a cultural thing.
the rest of the world, cheating is bad. in china, cheating is bad only if you get caught. not just in video games, in all things. it's why you see those pictures of Chinese exams and it's just giant rooms / oustide with all the desks like six feet apart and proctors stalking evrywhere.
Mdayofearth@reddit
Trust me, you're wrong.
It's all of the world that think cheating is bad only if you get caught.
Cheating in tests is rampant in all parts of the world where getting to something as mundane as high school, let along university, requires rigor and those who don't get into good schools are basically screwed. It happens in China, Japan, Korea, India, Vietnam, etc., Europe, the US...
GarrusExMachina@reddit
There are over 1 billion people in China... and they are technologically advanced and major players in the online video game sphere.
It's never just the Chinese... but statistically it's going to be them at least 1/8th of the time and probably more than that given the amount of earth's population that arnt avid gamers if distribution of cheaters is even.
fresh-dork@reddit
bunch of poor people with internet and a way to make money farming mobs. yes, they've been a thing for a while
mindcontrol93@reddit
There are store online store, Etsy, and eBay that sell rare items from games. I have seen Fallout 76 items going for $60. It is a business.
GrynaiTaip@reddit
This might actually be true.
There are businesses playing games to farm gold or whatever, to later sell online.
sirtalen@reddit
Cheating at things isn't so much a social taboo in China. It's seen as being smart to get an advantage over others.