The software wasn't deleting his work, he was
Posted by Indigo_7Warden@reddit | talesfromtechsupport | View on Reddit | 206 comments
A ticket landed in my queue marked urgent because a user claimed one of our internal programs was randomly deleting hours of his work. According to the notes, he had already lost progress "multiple times this week" and was getting louder with every reply. By the time I called him, he'd already decided the latest update had broken everything and wanted the issue escalated before he had to redo another report. I got the usual opener first, that he'd done nothing unusual and it just kept happening for no reason. Fine. I had him share his screen and walk me through exactly what he did during a normal session. The program itself was boringly stable. No crashes, no weird errors, no missing permissions, no failed saves in the logs. He'd open a record, type in a huge amount of information into a temporary notes area, flip between a few tabs, then eventually close the record and move on. When I asked where he expected the data to be saved, he said "in the record, obviously." That was the moment I started suspecting the software was innocent.
The thing he was typing into was not the saved case notes field. It was a scratch box used for quick copy-paste work while moving between sections. The field cleared when the record closed. It had always cleared when the record closed. It even had a tiny description under it saying it was temporary, though I admit that description was in the sort of faint UI text nobody reads until their day is already ruined. So for at least several days, maybe longer, this guy had been carefully writing full updates into a box designed to hold text for about thirty seconds, then closing the record and blaming the application when the temporary text vanished. I explained it as gently as I could, showed him the actual save field, then had him test it himself with dummy text. Everything worked exactly as designed. There was a long silence, then he said, "Well that's not very clear, is it." Which, honestly, was the most fair thing he said the entire call. I updated the ticket, flagged the field label for review with the application team, and moved on with my day. About an hour later his manager replied to the ticket thread thanking me for "finding the bug." Technically I guess I did. It just wasn't in the software.
trinlayk@reddit
TBF as I’ve aged those faint labels are getting fainter and fainter…. (Grey instructions or label on a white background is getting close to invisible.)
ThatNiceDrShipman@reddit
This is bad UI not a PICNIC error.
RandalPMcMurphyIV@reddit
You might find some hints about how to deal with irritating users here. https://bofh.bjash.com It is dated and the references are from the days of early college networks.
SandsnakePrime@reddit
It is still being written, on The Register, up to date monthly
HowlVector@reddit
Nothing makes a ticket change direction faster than "show me exactly where you saved it."
Hyphze@reddit
It’s the tech support version of "Please state your name for the record" before the entire story falls apart.
1nd3x@reddit
"I already restarted it"
Okay...could you press CTRL+SHIFT+ESC please?....great...now see where it says "uptime:1035hrs" yeah....if you could go ahead and restart the PC that would be great.
CriticalMine7886@reddit
Been doing this gig for over 20 years, never thought to do it that way - I always looked at network connection time in the network status. Funny how we get set in our ways
NotPrepared2@reddit
But, I press the power button on the monitor every night!
Dom_Shady@reddit
The blood pressure of this sub just went through the roof.
NikitaFox@reddit
the power button on the cpu
Dom_Shady@reddit
"What's a CPU? I don't speak tech!"
NikitaFox@reddit
You know, the thing with the cup holder.
borkman2@reddit
Oh, you mean the hard drive, right, I get it now.
KnottaBiggins@reddit
Ohmygod, how many times I let Task Manager call the user a liar for me...
"I restart it daily."
"Well, there are 8000 hours in a year, this number shows the computer hasn't been restarted in about seven months."
"No, I do so daily!"
"This is very clearly "system uptime."
"Well, it's wrong, I push the button on the TV thingy every night!"
Of course, Jenny Craig wasn't known for hiring people for their computer literacy... (I had one user who couldn't understand why her computer wasn't turning on in her office. I had to explain to her she'd have to go back home to get the "laptop part of it.")
The_MAZZTer@reddit
Sounds like another case of a user who thinks the monitor going to sleep is turning it off
trainbrain27@reddit
I HATE fast startup. Startup is usually pretty fast now that nearly everyone has SSDs.
Yes, shutdown used to refresh your computer, but it doesn't anymore, because MS wanted to goose a benchmark.
ttlanhil@reddit
Maybe half the time they're lying
The other half they really thought they were restarting it, but weren't (maybe that's closing the laptop lid. maybe it's telling windows to shut down and it hibernates instead)
So give clear instructions at that point to ensure they do it properly. Just saying to restart is again is asking for the problem to persist
Jonathan_the_Nerd@reddit
TIL
wanderinggoat@reddit
They don't know how to restart computers
_Rohrschach@reddit
Worked for an ISP and the customers did not know we could see the router uptime. Also informing them that an error produced by the user would result in a 95€ charge if we send a technician changed a few minds to stop using wifi for the speed test.
Eichmil@reddit
Please state the nature of your medical emergency /s
Gingereej1t@reddit
MEDICAL tricorder!
Hedgie_Herder@reddit
They aren’t getting the medical tricorder until Tuesday.
Widmo206@reddit
Not enough minerals
Starwatcher4116@reddit
SPAWN MORE OVERLORDS!!!
bryn_irl@reddit
you müst CONSTRUCT ADDITIONAL PYLONS
Starwatcher4116@reddit
Additional supply depots required.
GalenRenny@reddit
‘In the rear, with the gear.’
No-Drop924@reddit
You bring down the thunder, I'll reap the whirlwind.
KnottaBiggins@reddit
"I understand Borg implants are rather painful. I could suggest an analgesic..."
PrettyPinkPonyPrince@reddit
"Could you send me those instructions in an email please?"
Kasper_Onza@reddit
Please refer to the three prior emails with the instructions alreqdy laid out.
finnknit@reddit
You can lead a user to documentation, but you can't make them read. Part of my job as a technical writer is to review and respond to feedback that users leave on our online help pages. Quite often, users will leave a comment asking "How do I do task X?", when the instructions for task X are literally the first thing on the page that they commented on.
PrettyPinkPonyPrince@reddit
Oh dang, now we're getting into a whole narrative!
Just to be clear, the implication with my prior comment was that the instructions would result in unpleasant consequences for the business as they were not well thought out and/or quite illegal, so an email version was requested to clearly establish the source of the instructions so that they couldn't avoid the blame when things went bad.
robbob19@reddit
And nothing reduces dumb mistakes like good UI
danielrheath@reddit
Yeah, this doesn't entirely read as user error to me.
"Here's a record you can save - oh, but this part gets silently discarded" is the kind of UI I'd come up with as an elaborate prank, not for professional work.
fphhotchips@reddit
Right?!
I'm just sitting here imagining how many users didn't contact anyone about this and just silently think the software is a buggy POS.
ObsoleteReference@reddit
Not a programmer, but the one in charge of the program. I have to get them to prove they hit the search button in the first place. Its amazing how much less I need a drink once I leave work...
shiftingtech@reddit
all the stuff I do, its "show me the log file".
MithosYggdrasill1992@reddit
When I used to work for Apple, the moment I told people I needed a screenshot of their screen, everything changed every time. All of a sudden they could find the exact button they needed to click or the menu they needed to go to.
action_lawyer_comics@reddit
Internal or external customers?
MithosYggdrasill1992@reddit
External.
Mklein24@reddit
Tbf, arduino code doesn't like to be saved to a network location of any sort. We have redirected folders at work for our My Documents folder so the default location for just about any windows application that saves data is on the network.
This has been the cause of a ton of my saved-data-is-now-corrupted/missing problems.
Indigo_7Warden@reddit (OP)
Seriously. That question has solved so many “impossible bug” reports for me.
Velvet74sub@reddit
PEBKAC
MaxwellzDaemon@reddit
You did find a UI bug.
Nstraclassic@reddit
These are the tickets that aggravate me more than anything. Went back and forth with a user for weeks about them not receiving emails and blaming the mail filter. The mail filter logs weren't enough for them so I had to dig through M365 audit logs and send them the exported csv clearly showing their user account went into the shared mailbox and deleted the email. Weeks of them blowing up the helpdesk saying we aren't resolving the issue and of course once I show them proof that the issue is self inflicted they go radio silent. Literally havent heard from her in like 6 months
LokeCanada@reddit
Had a user storing mail in the Recover Deleted Items.
They had figured out that items there didn't count towards your total mailbox storage.
Blew up the phone when the mail got auto-purged.
Also seen complex folder structures in Deleted Items which then magically disappear when you select Empty Folder.
melt_into_sound@reddit
I see you've met my former CEO, whom I had to teach the difference between a filing cabinet and a trash can.
ProfessionalConfuser@reddit
I mean, they're the same. The filing cabinet is for trash you wanted to store for a decade.
bob152637485@reddit
You know, I never once even thought of trying to add a subfolder to deleted items, and the idea that it's even possible is truly hilarious.
Nyssa314@reddit
I have 6 subfolders in my deleted items... but mostly just because I didn't want the folder or anything in them anymore and threw the whole thing in the trash... and there it sits.
XTI_duck@reddit
I have a few users that use their Deleted Items folder as their “hold to sort later” folder. Those folders have 40k-90k emails, and shit disappears from them regularly. Sorry fam, you’re using your email wrong.
Dom_Shady@reddit
Do these people irl also store their physical mail in their trash can?
XTI_duck@reddit
If they received physical mail, they might 😂
Dom_Shady@reddit
Some end users are genuinely scary.
talldata@reddit
Pick up the trashcan from under the desk and ask the customer "Is this a filing cabinet?"
Nstraclassic@reddit
Lol just saw someone doing this last week for the same reason
liamrich93@reddit
Was it a rule they had set up years ago and forgotten about? Someone at my work returned from maternity and their daily tasks had changed slightly. They must have set up a rule a long time ago to stop irrelevant emails from a certain recipient and now they actually needed them.
When I explained the rule their response was: "Well, why has it done that then?" as if Outlook was doing anything other than what it was told...
no-but-wtf@reddit
I run a funsies little programming club for kids as a hobby and I can’t tell you how much time I spend explaining to them, very patiently, that their program literally can’t do anything except what they’ve told it to do.
It’s worth it, if even one of them grows up into an adult who understands how to computer. Just one.
Jonathan_the_Nerd@reddit
"Why do you lie to me, Jeebs? I hate it when you lie." -- Agent K, Men In Black
Xochipi11i@reddit
That sounds like terrible software
Mr-ShinyAndNew@reddit
As a former helpdesk person, now software engineer, I blame the software for this. I've never seen a program that has a "this data is for throwing away" feature like this, so I am not surprised that a less technical person did not figure this out. Users have actual work on their minds, not technical arcana.
demiurgent@reddit
Yeah, I remember the old days where browsers ditched everything in your text box on the slightest provocation, so I assume any text box content will disappear when I can't see a save button. People who can still rise from their chair without groaning are used to browsers that remember shit.
Separately, there's no reason for any software to intentionally create a "I'll forget everything you tell me, promise" box because if it's properly designed they should only type stuff into the place that it will be saved.
XzallionTheRed@reddit
We've replaced that with phone apps that need something copied from an email or sms or a password manager and just...abort back to a main page the moment you switch app focus to copy it, and by the time you get back to input it it needs a new code or won't let you get there without requesting a new code.
I hate phone apps (with very few exceptions) and just want to do my computing on the desktop. My wife says that is my old man trait.
Mando92MG@reddit
I've had to use auto delete text boxes for jobs before. Usually when dealing with sensitive customer info. Using the box to copy and selectively delete portions before pasting and/or taking notes for the interaction that arent intended to be saved. All of those have been very clearly marked though.
dominosci@reddit
This feature is insane and the user was 100% correct.
Geno0wl@reddit
I can't even figure out why they would put something like that into the software in the first place. If you need temp space to edit notes use god damn notepad or even full blown word.
That is insane design.
W1ULH@reddit
I've seen a few health care systems with these things... you can't copy paste data unless its within the system itself for HIPAA reasons.
but they are usually VERY well marked as "DOES NOT SAVE"
Alexander-Wright@reddit
A simple check on SaveRecord with a user prompt highlighting the text box was not saved would solve OPs Users' issue.
spamjavelin@reddit
Some idiot put it in as a requirement and the dev team just couldn't be bothered to fight it, I reckon.
laziestindian@reddit
Probably healthcare or legal wherein HIPAA and att-client privilege stuff gets funky in terms of what is/is not allowed.
I don't deal with patient data but am within a hospital. Among other things IT has made it so you can't copy/paste from mobile email...
MyStackRunnethOver@reddit
If a user might need to copy something from x, edit it, then paste it to y, just make it so that the user is able to edit it in y
Don’t introduce an ephemeral text box of death just because you can’t figure out how to make y resizable with wrapping and scrolling
TheArmoredKitten@reddit
It probably has more to do with copying privileged data into uncontrolled applications
MyStackRunnethOver@reddit
Because the user is more likely to use the ephemeral text box of death than an actual well-designed editable field which is where their input actually needs to go? I doubt it
Dinodie2Night@reddit
My guess is more like
desrever1138@reddit
I have worked with multiple healthcare applications, from EHRs to 3rd party services, and I've never seen a feature that behaves like this.
I could actually foresee flagging it as a PPSI if a provider is not aware that the notes are temporary.
JustNilt@reddit
The problem with using those is you're not really supposed to type anything anywhere outside the record system in a lot of use cases. In most instances, this is for the very good reason that doing so risks compliance issues, whether HIPAA or something such as a classified system of some sort. By keeping it all in The Official Software, you don't risk it escaping its appropriate confines.
madpiano@reddit
Yes, you could use notepad. But notepad doesn't stay on top of what you do in the background. The temp notes do.
In my current company we don't have that Salesforce feature but I had it in a previous one. Thankfully in my current company I only need to open Salesforce and not several other pieces of software, so I just use 2 screens
TheoreticalDumbass@reddit
I guess emacs is insane too
iamthelowercase@reddit
I mean, it is, but as a onetime Emacs user I'm pretty sure that's for unrelated reasons.
dominosci@reddit
correct
Mickenfox@reddit
True but also they should have figured it out the second time
Ouaouaron@reddit
Doesn't Emacs have something like a "scratch file"?
It's a concept that makes sense and can be useful, but I think a "You're trying to close this with data in the temporary area. Do you wish to proceed?" would be a good idea.
mizinamo@reddit
Will users still remember six months later that they one clicked the "don't ask me again" button?
Photosynthetic@reddit
“Don’t ask me again for two weeks”?
Ouaouaron@reddit
Yes, if they're regularly using the temporary area the way it's supposed to be used.
If they used the temporary area exactly once and their immediate thought is "I must make sure I save myself one click when I do this in the future", then I think that's genuinely user error and there's no way around that without making the experience worse for other people.
Madness_Reigns@reddit
I had something like that for a job where I needed to use identification information to access accounts, but for confidentiality reasons it could not be permanently saved.
Mdayofearth@reddit
Blaming software is a red herring.
It's a training a problem. Onboarding or launch would have told them where to enter data.
Or he did it intentionally and was lying through his teeth.
Mr-ShinyAndNew@reddit
You sound like the people who built the Therac-25, just blaming the users.
EgoistHedonist@reddit
Yep, this is an UX issue, not users's fault IMO
madpiano@reddit
Salesforce has it in their customer service cloud. When a customer calls you often have to look up things in several tabs or sometimes in different accounts, while taking notes during the call. It has a little notepad thing which stays in the corner, out the way, you can keep typing there and then, when you close the call, you copy it over. It's actually quite useful.
Mr-ShinyAndNew@reddit
Does it silently discard data if you haven't used it? Like: I can appreciate being able to pop out an edit field into its own window, so that you can have more things on the screen at once. But a scratch pad that's tied to an open record which silently erases itself is wild to me. Literally just open notepad.exe and use that in that case.
Dom_Shady@reddit
Notepad ++ then, please.
DeepDuh@reddit
But then you don’t get Copilot!! /s
wannaliveonmars@reddit
Yes, a placeholder text saying "Data in this textbox will not be saved and will be discarded..." would have been nice.
DigitalDefenestrator@reddit
At the absolute least, it should be annoyingly clear that it's going to just drop the data. Like have a pop-up dialog on tab close unless you hit a "clear" button explicitly or leave it blank, and a big red block of text above it.
LikeALincolnLog42@reddit
The BMC Helix ticketing system where I worked would timeout and log you out without bothering to tell you UNTIL you hit Save or Post. Then it told you, AFTER it just threw away whatever you wrote in the ticket. That was free, no expensive feature required!
It was SSO and the timeouts were incredibly short. Why and why? IT WAS SO DAMN FRUSTRATING…
mwardm@reddit
Azure VMs have (had?) a big old D: drive with a load of useful space on it. The drive is labelled "Temporary", if I recall.
Any data on it doesn't survive a restart, I learned from the teary-eyed colleague doing a database migration.
ctsjohnz@reddit
"10 years we had an employee named Jim. He refused to learn how to open a notepad window for temporary copy/pasting. He complained loudly and for long enough, that we added that feature to the software. Jim left a year later, but the feature remains."
frostking79@reddit
I used to work at a call center for a major cellphone company that used a Salesforce environment,and it had one of those features
phaze08@reddit
Technical Arcana. Love it
Indigo_7Warden@reddit (OP)
Yeah, that field was basically a trap with decent UI.
Delta-IX@reddit
PICNIC/PEBKAC
MaryK007@reddit
I had a coworker who would say ‘There was a short between the seat and the keyboard’.
scuba_GSO@reddit
Removed short between pilot headset ear cups.
Aviation way of saying operator is clueless.
mostly_kittens@reddit
In my opinion the software was at fault for violating the principle of least surprise.
muzman92@reddit
😗
Eckleburgseyes@reddit
I made a tech support call that took hours to work through, only for it to dawn on the technician that I was holding the component upside down when setting a 3 digit address.
Me: "aahhhh shit, I'm going on a white board in your break room today aren't I?"
bryiewes@reddit
PEBCAC
Justa_Schmuck@reddit
Ceyboard?
bryiewes@reddit
Problem Exists Between Chair And Computer
Weird1Intrepid@reddit
Problem Exists Between Chair And Chrysanthemum (in a vase on the desk)
17HappyWombats@reddit
Problem Exists Between Coders and Management? Software that should never have been released plus management who don't even try to do their jobs is a really bad combination.
RSLunarCanidae@reddit
PICNIC. "Problem In Chair, Not In Computer" was a favourite phrase/word with a few techy people while I was growing up and indeed working in a computer repair shop as an adult. Sometimes I am the picnic to this day. This story reminded me massively of something similar at another of my workplaces. The quiet moving on part still makes me chuckle at the memory. Good times
L-Space_Orangutan@reddit
Oh neat I've only heard that as a ID:10T error
RSLunarCanidae@reddit
Love that. Gave me a right chuckle!
OhmHomestead1@reddit
I was expecting to hear guy moves files to folder but truly it was the trash can. Not about some weird app that has a temp txt field. That is the strangest thing to have in an app.
Dongar00@reddit
ID 10 T error
Ha-Funny-Boy@reddit
I am the "Tech Support" person in my home. Wife does something and it "fails". I ask her so show me. She does and I show her what she is doing that "breaks" it.
Cases solved. I am also well paid (if you know what I mean)!
powereddescent@reddit
“Finding the bug “…user error 101
oneslipaway@reddit
Honestly that's a poorly built app. That temp window should be ejected.
jonesnori@reddit
At the least, if it's helpful, add a "discard text box input?" message on exiting the account.
oneslipaway@reddit
People would still screw up. Don't give them an easy excuse.
redditsuxandsodoyou@reddit
yeah op really acting like the user is the problem when the software is absolutely designed horribly.
VenCed@reddit
Ticket closed, PICNIC error.
deadthylacine@reddit
Many many moons ago, I got a call because a client wanted to see historical data on a record in their system. I was concerned, thinking maybe it had been deleted or something, but I was a SQL wizard so I could pull it out of the log if it came to that.
That person was not... saving records. They were constantly updating and reusing a single record. I couldn't get the historical data because I had no way to identify it from the year+ long log of all changes to the single record.
I tried, oh how I tried, to convince the client that they should create a new record for each new [dang, being vague about the software got real hard here] task. But they argued. They wanted only one record. I eventually had to transfer them to the project manager because the way they were using the software was... out of scope for technical support assistance.
It was a shitshow. Their accountant was mightily displeased with the end user's life choices.
Dom_Shady@reddit
Wait, so this user only used one big financial record? Oh, poor user (and to be a fly on the wall when the audit happened...)
deadthylacine@reddit
Let's just say there was no record of where their invoices were coming from. They'd delete the invoice record after printing it so they could reuse the same pre-invoice record for every single customer.
snobal60@reddit
deadthylacine@reddit
I wish.
Like most of my worst-of calls for that era of my career, it's real hard to fire someone whose last name is the same as the company's name.
snobal60@reddit
Ahh... Well then they deserve the future lawsuits and/or bankruptcy. At least in a just world. But let's be honest. We all know it never works out like that.
Dom_Shady@reddit
The accountant backed away rather quickly: "Our contract... is null and void. There has never been a contract. In fact, we've never met!", running out of the room.
DeciduousEmu@reddit
Error goes to the user. Poor design and lack of proper training for the assist.
AlcareruElennesse@reddit
Ah a BCM error.
KnottaBiggins@reddit
Yup, you identified the PICNIC error and fixed it as it was about to convert to a full-blown ID-10-T error.
arcimbo1do@reddit
Well, to be fair the UX seems pretty bad, i would definitely consider it a bug in the user interface.
Tetsubin@reddit
Agreed
Oldfart_karateka@reddit
PICNIC error.
Polymathy1@reddit
Learned a new one today. I've seen PEBCAK and ID-10T but this one flows better for subtlety.
beachvan86@reddit
Should it be PEBCAC? Problem exists between chair and computer
Polymathy1@reddit
Chair and keyboard but either works.
beachvan86@reddit
Aahhh. I kinda prefer keyboard. Cool!
LogicBalm@reddit
I call it a Layer 8 issue but I'm in telecommunications so it flows naturally.
Where layer 1 is physical all the way to layer 7 application, layer 8 is the user but we also have layer 9 for organizational rules and layer 10 for legal requirement nonsense. We all have a boss to obey further up the chain.
Fixes_Computers@reddit
The first time I saw Layer 8 mentioned, I instantly got it. Yours, I believe, is the first reference to layers 9 and 10. They make some sense.
Physics, if it's not part of Layer 1 would be better as Layer 0. Everything is dependent on the layers below.
TigerHijinks@reddit
I just use keyboard actuator malfunction these days.
Frido1976@reddit
What about error 40? (The error is 40 centimetres from the screen)
Old-geezer-2@reddit
Also known as a meatware error.
Polymathy1@reddit
😅 I love it. Also new to me.
Saelyre@reddit
How about layer 8 issue?
BizzarduousTask@reddit
I always said PEBCAK would be my DJ name. That or WYSIWYG.
Indigo_7Warden@reddit (OP)
Yeah, it’s got a nicer “bless your heart” tone to it.
PrettyPinkPonyPrince@reddit
Problem In Chair, Not In Computer?
Dom_Shady@reddit
That's right
Elevated_Misanthropy@reddit
Faulty keyboard actuator.
GoodForTheTongue@reddit
Error code: ID10T
talldata@reddit
Tbh makes no sense to have a temp storage place.
NewUserWhoDisAgain@reddit
Good ol' Layer 8 issue
LightlySaltedPeanuts@reddit
Is layer 8 a joke? Could you explain?
mizinamo@reddit
Based on the OSI model for networks etc.
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model
Dom_Shady@reddit
It was new to me as well, but it's mentioned above. Layers 1-7 are hardware, level 8 is the user.
Apprehensive_Age9113@reddit
lol, I had never heard of "Layer 8". Love it! I would always use ID10-T
Old-geezer-2@reddit
I worked for a small company that sold a computer controlled test instrument. Lab techs in a clients lab would save data files to a specific location. However, tha manager wanted it saved to a network drive for safety and open for retrieval by others with the software. I set this up in front of the tech. Later he was confounded by the fact the data wasn’t where is usually saved it. I had to reminded it was on the network drive because the manager wanted that way. He still grumbled because it wasn’t his way!
jc31107@reddit
It’s always layer 8, unless it’s DNS
gadget850@reddit
Or a loose neutral.
joshg678@reddit
Usually caused by layer 8
raulmonkey@reddit
Seat to keyboard interface is fucked.
RaiseWide5460@reddit
That is the very prevalent ID10T bug. It appears pretty much anywhere that there are people using software.
Zapskilz@reddit
Yeah, I blame myself for a lot of user stupidity errors.
Typical-Kangaroo-472@reddit
Nothing will ever be idiot-proof because the Venn diagram overlap of idiots and users is nearly a circle.
FrankieMint@reddit
I'm reminded of a user who complained that her work kept getting deleted. It turned out that she was saving her daily work files to the recycle bin.
Geminii27@reddit
If it was an internal program, I 100% blame the design. The scratch box should at least have had a big-ass warning in it every time it displayed on the screen.
Also: was this on some kind of system/platform which didn't have a system clipboard? Why was there a scratch box in the first place?
PlatypusDream@reddit
Yep - put the warning up top, in large bold type
Awlson@reddit
Where nobody will see it anyways...
PlatypusDream@reddit
Oh, they'll SEE it... still won't READ or understand it 🙄
Geminii27@reddit
I was thinking more inside the scratch box itself, such that any entries there would have to replace the warning or type over the top of the warning as a background image.
newsjunkee@reddit
PEBKAC
VanorDM@reddit
Back when I did helpdesk stuff (I'm not in Cyber Security and don't work with users directly nearly as much.) it always amazed me how quickly the problem was "magically fixed" when I'd ask a user to show me what was happening.
Because pretty much every time once they do it with me standing there... they would do it the correct way.
jamoche_2@reddit
I'm a software dev. I'd bounce bug reports back to QA if it didn't have a screen recording with "show mouse clicks" on, because too many times they'd swear they followed the steps of the test process, only for the screen recording to show they clicked some other part of the screen between steps and that was the problem.
VanorDM@reddit
Users always lie. :)
jamoche_2@reddit
Well, I guess it means they're really being authentic in their job as a professional user :/
OmgSlayKween@reddit
90% chance the guy was not straightforward with his boss and didn’t take responsibility.
Goober1025@reddit
The problem was somewhere between my keyboard and a chair
Dr__-__Beeper@reddit
Also known as an ID ten t error.
ecp001@reddit
It is difficult to permanently modify and correct the bug in the C-K interface.
Wolfgung@reddit
One little step sets this apart, right at the end you allowed them to save face when you submitted the text box for review. The Japanese concept is not taken seriously in most places, but by shifting the blame to "the bug" allowed everyone to move on.
mailboy79@reddit
When I worked medical IT helpdskyears ago, there was one particular application MDs used for patient notes. MDs were repeatedly warned that ...data entered in large text fields does not automatically save under any circumstance... and not to put large quantities of patient notes in the box over an extended period.
One afternoon, I get a call from an MD in tears because she "lost" data from a nonverbal psych patient that she was struggling to deal with.
I explained the situation to her and apologized, and showed her how to save and copy-paste data from a Word file into the MD notes application.
You would have thought that I had handed her six gold bars or something, she was still sad that she had to parse eight hours of notes but relieved that it would never happen again.
Mobtor@reddit
As a Product Manager, thats just a shitty product! But to your point, there's nothing like having a user walk you through their process!
sanglar1@reddit
Toujours entre la chaise et le clavier...
braindeadzombie@reddit
“Chair to keyboard interface issue resolved.”
itsPolarisRadio@reddit
What an insane software feature. User is fine, and sounds like they were good at their job if the notes were detailed.
wrincewind@reddit
This looks like another AI post...
Special-Original-215@reddit
I agree, the whole scratch pad thing makes me think its AI
wrincewind@reddit
"no this, no that, no the other thing..." description of software that's a bit weird... Comments that are almost believable but a bit incoherent in the replies... account that's only a day or two old with a name like word-word-number...
FauxReal@reddit
The guy was buggin' for sure.
ehwhythough@reddit
It's bad UI. When we changed vendors, I accidentally sent some notes as emails because the tabs had the same color and there's no indication that it reverted to the default email instead of the notes tab. I flagged the issue and by the end of the week they made the notes tab have a different background and the tab highlighted so you're aware of the difference. Visual cues are so important!
CourageBest@reddit
Fuck, wall of text. Too difficult to read. Please break down your story into manageable chunks.
yesennes@reddit
You're not human if you've never been completely flummoxed by a mildly unclear UI. You're not humane if you rage at tech support over it.
WhiskyEchoTango@reddit
I had a similar experience recently, for the second time, with a user who didn't understand why CSV files he exported didn't retain his changes.
GoodForTheTongue@reddit
Error code: ID10T
Indigo_7Warden@reddit (OP)
At that point the bug report basically turned into a witness statement against the guy.
ryanlc@reddit
EWOHUA
help_isontheway_dear@reddit
lol at the manager also not knowing their ass from their elbow. Obviously couldn’t provide appropriate knowledge transfer properly or audit what was going wrong independently.
I honestly find that to be the cringier aspect of this story.
Isotope91Fae@reddit
The bug was located between "temporary" and "obviously."
Spaceman2901@reddit
Wetware interface problem.