Feels so good when a simple solution works.
Posted by PepperAnn1inaMillion@reddit | talesfromtechsupport | View on Reddit | 13 comments
Here’s a simple, sweet palate cleanser for all you hard-working IT professionals who have messy troubleshooting problems.
I’d set up a couple of wireless access points for my parents because they live in a big old brick house, and their router signal wasn’t penetrating throughout everywhere they needed it. Specifically, I set up one in the back room of the house furthest from the router, and one in the living room because they needed a strong signal in there for their Roku. I tried to name the networks the same so that my parents’ devices would switch seamlessly between them, but for some reason the iPad would prefer to stay connected to a faint signal than switch to a stronger one. That was beyond the limits of my IT knowledge (I’m savvy for a Luser, but no expert), so I named the back one “Back-room” and the other one “Living-room”, and fortunately my Mum was more than capable of using the settings menu to switch as needed. I set up the Roku for them and connected it to “Living-room”, and it functioned fine for a number of years.
After those years, the wireless access point in the living room died completely, so I said I’d look at it when I was next there. My mum had told me that they’d switched ISP and their new router was much stronger, so I decided to just reconfigure the Roku to use that. Unfortunately though, my parents had failed to warn me that they’d lost the remote for the Roku, and had been using the remote control app on their phones. Which connect to the Roku over WiFi. Which was now broken.
Hmm. So I found myself in a bit of a pickle. How can I reconfigure the Roku to connect to WiFi when the only way of controlling it is through the WiFi that it isn’t currently connected to?
I thought it was a long shot, but I decided to try swapping the wireless access point from the back room, and renaming it to “Living-room”, and see if the Roku would connect to it automatically. I honestly expected it to fail - how often is a front-facing username important in IT? I assumed (in my completely inexpert way) that there would be some kind of unique identifier for the access point other than its name.
But I tried it, and it worked! I got connected to the Roku, changed its settings to connect to the (now adequate) main WiFi, and then put the access point back where I’d taken it from (after renaming it again, of course).
Is there any better feeling than when a simple solution just works?
RememberCitadel@reddit
The unique ID that you are thinking of is called a BSSID, and is basically the Mac address of the AP, sometimes with different last digits for each radio inside it.
Some apps/devices absolutely do care about that, and it is the reason the iPad prefers to stay connected to the weaker signal. I don't know why they programmed them that way.
Thankfully less and less things stick with BSSIDs since almost all enterprise wireless solutions work best when sharing SSIDs.
I have certainly changed SSID to connect orphaned devices before, usually after I forgot to update them before I changed something.
syntaxerror53@reddit
The reason the iPad wanted to connect to the weaker signal was probably because the access point was using a newer wifi speed.
Remember a manager had an iPhone and it was slow on wifi. Network team investigated and found that even though iPhone had an access point (N) less than 2m, away stronger signal, it wanted to connect to access point (AC) 40m away, with a weaker signal, but newer, faster wifi speed overall. Can't remember exactly, but they may have changed some settings somewhere to force iPhone to connect to stronger signal access point.
RememberCitadel@reddit
Nope, both iOS and MacOS prefer earlier joined networks and BSSIDs. Windows machines do the opposite and prefer the last joined.
I got into a discussion many years ago with some apple engineers at a conference and nobody could tell me why they chose that way. Of course I never bothered to ask Microsoft why they chose the opposite.
gammalsvenska@reddit
Security. Just because two WiFi networks have the same name does not mean that they are the same network - one could be malicious. Enterprise networks have handover support, which iPads do respect.
A proper handover also removes the disconnect-reconnect-dhcp outage followed by a "your network has changed" event. Some devices do not handle those well, making network usage painful.
Alfred456654@reddit
Also to have multiple APs for 1 network, you have to use an extender, if I'm not mistaken? 802.11r, to share AP Mac address across multiple devices?
AbaloneMysterious474@reddit
You dont need an extender, just an AP will do. 802.11r is mostly to allow for faster/smoother switching between them. Without it the client will have to re-authenticate with the new AP.
With 802.11r the handshake is performed before the client even attempts to roam.
On higher end hardware you can also set specific thresholds for when an AP *must* kick the device. This prevents clients from sticking to an AP that's barely in range and forces to reconnect to a better AP.
gammalsvenska@reddit
Extenders are one option, APs with handover ability are another. There may be other good options, but I don't know them.
LaundryMan2008@reddit
Was messing with some tape drives and the cable it uses is FC and despite reseating the cable multiple times like I do with other cables and connectors it refused to work, the cable isn’t crossover or anything weird so there shouldn’t be any weird things as the cable is straight through fiber optic cable and despite that I tried swapping the ends and the tape drive showed up surprisingly in windows server
anubisviech@reddit
Just in case someone needs this info: There are apps like IRPlus which you can use as spare remote, if your phone has an IR-Led.
For the "not switching networks properly": this only works seamless when you use some kind of wifi roaming, which all AP need to support. Some brands use their own kind of roaming protocol, where you need to get all devices from the same manufacturer, and some just use 802.11r and work with anything within the same roaming id that support it. That's why I flash all my wifi devices with openwrt.
FreydNot@reddit
See, I would have temporarily renamed my phone Hotspot to Living-room so I didn't have to get up off the couch, because I'm lazy like that.
Is the new ISP AP good enough to do away with the Back-room AP all together? Some devices really don't like to switch between APs (as you already knew).
Tyr0pe@reddit
"If I can't connect to you, you will connect to me." is a lovely way of handling that.
jmjedi923@reddit
That is how large buildings with multiple APs work, they're all set up with the same SSID (network name) and password. And if you ever upgrade your router, if you name it the same thing you won't have to change your wifi on all of your devices.
aaiceman@reddit
Yay! It's fun when a "wacky" solution works and you have a "huh, I'm surprised that fixed it" feeling. Glad you ended up with a positive experience.