Sometimes, you have to be firm with them
Posted by NotYourNanny@reddit | talesfromtechsupport | View on Reddit | 26 comments
One of our stores had a power outage. Not a huge deal, it happens, we can deal. Due to some recent work on the network, however, we didn't have everything in the network closet running on the UPS (yet), and when the power came back on, the SDWAN box - the one single point of failure - didn't boot up correctly. It would route WAN traffic, but not LAN.
Note: When we upgrade our phones to VOIP, we pull cable for each phone, separate from the computer network, so the phones are entirely outside of our network. More expensive, but there are . . . reasons (and good ones). The SDWAN box thus has (or, rather, uses) two LAN ports, one for us, one for the phones.
Our telecom provider had, of course, detected the outage and automatically opened a ticket. They detected that the SDWAN was back up, and closed the ticket. The store was still offline, and was less than 100% efficient at letting me know, but when they did, they told me the phones were still down as well. This was the second store this exact thing had happened at in two weeks, and the first one took an on-site visit by a tech to reconfigure the SDWAN box. This was late on a Friday.
Once I found out, I reopened the ticket, and explained that with the phones down as well, it has to be the SDWAN box that's acting up. They looked at it, saw the SDWAN was showing as online, couldn't see our firewall behind it, and closed it again. "We show you're online in the orchestrator." Sigh.
So I reopened it a second time, made it clear we were still offline, and so are the phones, which are outside of our network, same result, same message, word for word, closed again. This is Saturday afternoon. We've been offline for two days at this point, which is painful, but not a huge deal, but the phones have been down as long, and that is a big deal.
So, OK, we're a six figure a year account (with about two dozen locations now) with a platinum support team, so I emailed our account rep and asked her to escalate the ticket. It was Saturday afternoon by this point, so I didn't actually expect a quick response. I was wrong. Less than five minutes, I get cc'd on the message to the escalation team. And less than two minutes after that, I get an email from the escalation team. Woo-hoo! Things are happening!
The SDWAN is up. I do not see your internal network equipment switches/routers/firewalls).
Yeah, things are happening, but all progress is backwards.
For the fourth time, the phones are not working. The phones are not on our* network. They go through a separate switch that plugs directly into the SDWAN. There is no part of our network that can affect phone service. The SDWAN is not communicating with its own LAN side.
For the fourth time, this is the exact same thing that happened after a power outage at another location last week that required an on-site visit to reconfigure the SDWAN because the configuration got corrupted by the power outage.*
I did get an apology after that, and he was able to get into the box remotely and get it working in less than half a hour (unlike the previous incident).
I guess there are advantages to being a big fish in a medium sized pond, and they're better than any other phone or internet company I've dealt with, but there are times . . .
armwulf@reddit
Sounds nearly identical to an issue I had with a T1 Smartjack.
Service was split into data and voice. It would only ever provide one or the other, not both. Each time the jack powered up you'd see one or the other.
Very clearly a smart jack issue. I spent an entire week waiting for a "vendor meet" because they could ping the smart jack. By the end of it the dude arrived at the wrong address, I flagged him down on his attempt to leave.
"Are you my technician?"
"No, I am supposed to be at address 1234."
I turn and point to 1234 above the doorway I came from.
"You're my technician. Smart jack outputs either data or voice, never both. Swaps between the two on reboot."
"That sounds like a jack issue... Why are you here?"
"As of you saying that, I no longer have to be. Goodbye."
AlexG2490@reddit
I had an exchange with a vendor once that went like this:
Me: "Hi, I am the technical contact for this software, but I do not have authority for purchasing. All purchasing runs through our accounting department. Please contact $PurchaseAdmin to get purchases handled. I have CC'd them here for your convenience. Thank, and have a great day.
Three months elapsed and then this exchange happened:
Me: "Hi, I am the technical contact for this software, but I do not have authority for purchasing. All purchasing runs through our accounting department. Please contact $PurchaseAdmin, who you worked with last time, to get purchases handled. I have CC'd them here for your convenience. Thank, and have a great day."
July rolled around and I had this exchange.
Me: "Hello. As previously mentioned, I am the technical contact for this software. I do not have authority for purchasing at $Company.
$PurchaseAdmin has handled this for you the last two quarters, has authority for purchasing, and is the correct point of contact for all non-technical matters related to our account. Please update your records accordingly. I have CC'd $PurchaseAdmin once again for your convenience. Their contact information is:
$PurchaseAdmin
$Purchase.Admin@Company.com
$PurchaseAdminPhone
Thank you."
So in October, of course, they e-mailed $PurchaseAdmin right? Of course not.
Me: "$Vendor.
$PurchaseAdmin is the contact for all non-technical matters related to $Company's use of $Vendor's software. I told you this in January (screenshot). I told you this in April (screenshot). I told you this in July (screenshot). I am now telling you for a fourth time.
I am unused to having to repeat myself to this degree when dealing with supposedly professional contacts.
Update your records accordingly.
ThunderDwn@reddit
"Are you stupid, or just incapable of reading plain english?"
You're much more polite than I would have been!
ahazred8vt@reddit
"Does it hurt being that stupid, or is it more of a pervasive numbness?"
EvenOutlandishness88@reddit
"Are you stupid, or just incapable of reading plain english?"
Let's not forget that it could be both. It could DEFINITELY be both.
NotYourNanny@reddit (OP)
To quote Geena Davis from The Long Kiss Goodnight: "Were you born this stupid, or did you take lessons?"
SLJ7@reddit
This was very satisfying to read.
syntaxerror53@reddit
Would have sent email every week (or day if you really want to ..............) confirming those details and asking for confirmation that their records had been updated.
Would soon get the message. Once confirmed stop sending emails.
Any complaints, there's email trails to show they have not done what's required when advised time and time again before.
NotYourNanny@reddit (OP)
And did they?
AlexG2490@reddit
I actually left, so I don't know if my verbal smackdown was effective. But at least it was cathartic for me. :)
UristImiknorris@reddit
So your successor was the one to tell them the fifth time.
CyberRaver39@reddit
I had to do similar to dell, when a large project was due and they wouldnt swap the AMD gpus in a simulator for Nvidia ones, it was something like £400 all in to swap them and the nvidia ones were actually cheaper
They wanted to do this and that and inspect drivers, and we just didnt have time
So i messaged our account managed and applied .... pressure over the £400k of laptops we were considering, and that if £400 of gpus to swap was too hard then perhaps 4£400k of laptops was something i didnt trust them with
Amazingly all blocks to the swap were cleared, but I did get warned by my boss not to bully them too much, he had a panicked call from them wanting a crisis meeting etc
NotYourNanny@reddit (OP)
I had a $100k order from them that showed up with 5 USB ports on the back instead of 6, as specified (it's a big deal for . . . reasons). (Desktop cases, and this one was apparently the model that only had 5. I missed that, and so did our sales rep.) Once I forwarded the email in which I specified exactly that, they did send enough PCI cards to add the extra one (at maybe $10 each for them, total was less than $300), but it took way too long, and I was contemplating the horror of having to order from their competitor.
RedFive1976@reddit
We bought a small batch of SFF desktops from them a couple years back. We're a company, so we specified Windows Pro. The 4 PCs arrived installed with Windows Home. It took a few days or wrangling, but they sent us a 5th PC with Pro installed for free, which was about the same as it cost us to upgrade the other 4 to Pro. It worked out in the end, but it was right in the order.
NotYourNanny@reddit (OP)
And these days, they're the "new account rep of the month" club. I've gotten multiple "Hi, I'm your new account rep" emails per week at times. It's gotten easier (and often cheaper) to just order through the premier web site, and I get what I want that way, instead of external optical drives.
But they're still preferable to The Other Guys.
RedFive1976@reddit
For sure, we've gone through at least 4 reps for our software licenses over the last year and a half or so, and at least 2 hardware reps in that same time.
I would still take them over the otHer People.
NotYourNanny@reddit (OP)
I would take Morse Code over two plastic cups and a wet piece of string over them.
RedFive1976@reddit
I'd take smoke signals over them.
CyberRaver39@reddit
We ended up goping with pc specialist with the large order in the end
Dells "high end" laptop smothered itself under its own piss poor cooling whilst the pc specialist laptop boosted higher and run cooler
Warm-Net-6238@reddit
I'm not a fan of Dell computers. We had one in a business I worked for a long time ago which never worked properly, and by all accounts was sitting on a shelf for three years before we bought it.
Not sure I really believe that, given the pace of technology, but then, it was a Dell, and a complete piece of 💩 so anything's possible!
lokis_construction@reddit
I am so glad I am retired from all of it - and Yes, WMware needs to treat voice applications as REAL time.
Yes, you must dedicate those resources if you want your contact center to work correctly and have good voice quality.
StarChaser01@reddit
As someone who works at an MSP and has to occasionally deal with lazy vendor techs:
Thank you
Sometimes you get good vendor techs who will work with you even after they find that it's not their system that is the problem, and other times you get.
NotYourNanny@reddit (OP)
Their level 1 people are generally pretty helpful at troubleshooting our equipment (when that's where the problem is), and I understand why it looked OK to them through the automated monitoring equipment.
But the escalation team buy clearly didn't read the ticket. That was a bit disappointing, even if he recovered quickly.
Does their start with an "F" and end with an "r", and the letters in between aren't "ucke" but should be? (Sadly, I have a couple of locattions where we have to deal with them because no one else can provide fiber without $20,000+ in construction fees.)
OinkyConfidence@reddit
Oh man, I'm reminded I should type up my old F......r stories! I worked with them so much and they soooo didn't care. Awful company.
NotYourNanny@reddit (OP)
I have a few myself, like a tech sent on-site to reconfigure a modem (after the help desk told our manager to do a factory reset, which set it to DHCP when we have a static IP), who had all the info needed on a sticker on the modem, and detailed instructions in front of him on a tablet, and I had to literally point to each box and tell him what to type into it.
On the other hands, it seems like the other telco we get fiber from (whose name consists of three letters and an ampersand) is jealous, and wants to take over as the worst phone company in the world. We're now three for three on project engineers so stupid that when you talk to them on the phone, it makes you stupider.
StarChaser01@reddit
No, they end with a different letter.