That's not quite how that works.
Posted by Flibbergiblet@reddit | talesfromtechsupport | View on Reddit | 24 comments
TLDR: User complains that driver updates cause all their issues with their laptop as there are always updates when they have issues with their laptop. The real villain of the story is the company VPN.
It was a Friday morning and a Teams message pops up from a user. Rudely complaining that the Dell command update software and the updates it provides have messed up their laptop (Dell command update is BIOS and driver updates) after they were left with no choice but to install them because the laptop was so very slow. Now they can't get on to anything on the network even with the VPN connected while WFH.
Already preparing for this user to be difficult while suspecting that the actual issue would not have anything to with the updates, and more likely something to do with our temperamental VPN, I request confirmation of the difficulties they are having in the form of a screenshot of the error. This arrives and confirms my suspicion the the VPN is indeed the cause of this user's woes.
Now, with the VPN, once you connect you need to allow time for it to comfirm that your device is a secure company device. This takes about 60 seconds after connecting. If you don't wait the the VPN says not a secure company device, and you get no access to the network. This appears to be what has happened to the user. Annoying, but easily fixable by disconnecting and reconnecting the VPN and waiting the 60 seconds before accessing the network.
I provide those instructions to the user advising that it looks like a VPN issue so please follow those steps of disconnecting, reconnecting, waiting for a min then trying again.
Straight away the user comes back saying that they don't think it is a VPN issue as its been connected for ages, and that it must be the updates, as whenever the laptop becomes unbearably slow they always check the updates, and there are always updates there to be installed.
OK, so they've put 2 and 2 together and come up with something that looks like 4 but isn't. What they have is the whole thing a little backward, and I get it. If the updates are always there when there is an issue then viously they are the cause of the issue (completely ignoring that installing the resolves the issue)/s. I get the logic behind the thought, but it doesn't quite add up.
So I explain that yes there are likely to be Dell updates when the laptop goes slow, but no, it's not the existence of those updates that make it go slow. That when drivers are outdated they can cause the laptop to run slow, because they are potentially causing errors that slow it down. Then confirm that when the drivers are out of date, new and up to date ones are released, which is why installing the resolves the issues with the laptop performance.
I also reiterate that they need to follow the steps with the VPN to see if the issue is resolved (which it very likely will be) and we can try some further troubleshooting if that doesn't resolve it. Very reluctantly the user agrees to follow the instructions and lo and behold everything works again!
Though I'm still not entirely sure they believed me that the updates being installed didn't cause the VPN issue, and don't cause the laptop to go slow...
dazcon5@reddit
Often times users will ask why things happen to computers. I used to try to explain but that would either get a blank stare or "I don't think that's the problem". Now I just say "It's a computer they do that" or "It's just Windows being stupid".
SecretlyCrayon@reddit
This is de wae.
Edricatreides@reddit
My ex-wife's dad was a former TV technician (the old school kind), which meant he was an expert in all things that use a screen, computers included. I'm not sure how he made such a powerful enemy, but apparently, Cox Cable was out to get him and went to great effort night and day to keep his PC running as badly as possible.
Virus infection? Damn Cox put a virus on my cable modem. Printer out of ink? Cox infected his printer. Sound not working? Damned Cox again screwing with the sound blaster. Hard drive died? Cox nuked his files after going through them.
I'm a lifelong computer geek, and know exactly what pebkac looks like, and I'm usually pretty good at humoring people, as in "let me have a look, I might be able to fix your issue and lock those Cox bastards out." That, of course, didn't work out at all, because he doesn't want incompetent people to "screw up his optimized setup", which I assured him I'm not and I won't. Apparently, he had "customized the backend" and programmed in special drivers, nobody would be able to understand how it works unless he taught them and that'd be too much bs for something he could do himself. It was just a crappy old Compaq running XP with the bare minimum of ram and what I'm sure was a thriving colony of malware, courtesy of Kazaa. His "optimized backend" was actually a frontend, one of those resource-heavy UI mods to make explorer look like a Mac's Finder. Seriously, this guy was putting Cox on blast for every popup (which was every couple of minutes when surfing the web) and any other issues. Aside from a time or two when the cable service hiccuped, 100 percent of his issues were self-inflicted, I was never, even once, able to get through to him. I even brought my laptop to him once to try to prove a point, which apparently made me double stupid for connecting to his wifi so that Cox could mess with it. Humans are funny
Delicious_Big8371@reddit
Rocketdock, the ultimate in backend programming.
Strazdas1@reddit
thats not how it works. the drivers does not magically start causing errors just because a new version released. they will be exactly as slow as they always were.
meitemark@reddit
My last 35 years of experience with drivers, firmvare and updates in general has ingrained me with a "do NOT update" unless the update has something that fixes a problem you have or has other content that you want.
I have friends that react to new drivers as "shiny, must have" and those has to reinstall operating systems on a monthly basis, while I look at uptimes and problem free running for years.
Delicious_Big8371@reddit
For personal use, sure I'll be lax with driver updates. For company machines I wouldn't risk it.
Langager90@reddit
Some software developers look upon their software like a biker looks on a denim jacket: "I should add a patch to that!"
Strazdas1@reddit
I agree in general with the exception of security updates, because those are flaws that do exist and will be increasingly more exploited over time.
meitemark@reddit
Well, security updates goes under both parts of "fixes a problem you have or has other content that you want", that just something you have to live with unless you have an airgapped system that is not connected to anything.
Mr_ToDo@reddit
I'd be more inclined to follow that advice if they had better release notes on anything
"Improved performance" and "fixed security issues" are not enough to let me make an informed choice
When some vendors do release proper patch notes I'll find things fixed that I didn't even realize were an issue related to the thing I was patching, or edge cases that while I hadn't hit them yet are in my environment
I don't like having to patch blindly but I'm not really sure what other choice I have(well, testing obviously, but that's only going to tell me if it's roughly safe or not)
mustardponid@reddit
I like to think of driver and Windows updates like working out, and computers shitting out after the updates like a person with serious heart problems.
Updates are typically good for a computer, just like how working out is good for your health. However, if you have underlying serious heart problems, or a computer that's ready to shit itself, all it could take is running hard on the treadmill, or a Windows update for things to go dead.
Cambridgeport90@reddit
I have to tell people this all the time. Where I work, users are always complaining about updates. Every time there’s a problem, it’s because my system updated, can you guys help me fix it? I always have to tell them that no, that’s not always how that works.
djfdhigkgfIaruflg@reddit
Whatever problem they have had most likely just became obvious after the cursory restart.
A lot of people don't restart their computers, EVER.
HaplessReader1988@reddit
It did blow my mind when I found out that a full shutdown/power-up no longer includes the update routines of restart.
djfdhigkgfIaruflg@reddit
Oh yes. Restarting restarts more than turn down/up because of hibernation
Wendals87@reddit
I hate how people assume driver updates will fix stuff or it broke stuff
I remember I had a call for an entire floor that had issues over WiFi. It was slow and sometimes randomly disconnected
I work for an MSP and we deal with the devices, not the network infrastructure there.
They wanted us to update all the wifi drivers on the device because they were adamant that was the issue (about half a dozen different models).
We tried to fight it and they had the network guy come and make some changes to the wifi AP there and they even acknowledged that it improved substantially, yet they were adamant that the drivers had to be updated because that was the issue
zeus204013@reddit
This is an example of users trying to be more smart than it dept/not doing the instructed. Normally this doesn't happens with doctors...
Shazam1269@reddit
LOL, the two professions are similar in many ways.
Last week, "Jeff 'fixed' a keyboard issue two weeks ago, and now my Outlook calendar INSN'T SYNCING WITH MY PHONE!!!"
Yeah, those things are totally realated, Brenda.
ShirleyUGuessed@reddit
Look at those updates, sitting there, AVAILABLING and causing trouble.
intellectual_printer@reddit
Inserts Patrick menacingly gif
Shazam1269@reddit
Sandy: "What did you say about ~~Texas~~ UPDATES?"
K1yco@reddit
I bet they never noticed the 60 seconds because they likely walk away during the period and because of that assume that the 60 seconds isn't the 2+2= 4 they believe it to be.
MikeSchwab63@reddit
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