I Knew There Was a Malfunction, Just Didn't Think It Was Between the Keyboard & the Chair
Posted by TheITCustodian@reddit | talesfromtechsupport | View on Reddit | 62 comments
I'm back in corp IT after 5 long years in the MSP management space. I'm managing all of US IT for a small manufacturing company [$USCorp] with a half dozen sites thats part of a larger global company [$GranFrabricante]. I'm still finding all the weird nooks & crannies in the systems and the idiosyncracies of the offices & plants. Typical new guy stuff.
Last week, I pop down to our engineering group and I overhear the $EngineeringDirector on the phone with someone:
$EngineeringDirector "No, no, click the little speaker icon. Yeah, right click.."
Wisely, I back out of the engineering area. If its a real problem, he'll get a ticket started. Our engineering group works in one space, and they're all there, so I cannot imagine who he's talking to, but if its a problem for me, I'll eventually catch it. I like when users can effect a "Tier 0" fix.
An hour or so later, I get a phone call to my deskphone from an unknown area code. Could be some vendor finally returnhing my call about something, so snag it.
$Me: "$USCorp, TheITCustodian speaking."
$Voice: "Hi, my name is $Mike, I work for $USCorp. I'm remote on the East Coast, I work for $EngineeringDirector and I'm having problems with the sound on my laptop."
I'd never heard of a $Mike who works remotely, but was able to put two and two together. (to be safe, I IM'd the $EngineeringDirector to confirm this isn't some rando.. Nope, $Mike is our employee, does indeed work in another region of the country and not in any of our facilities)
So I set about to help him. Because, you know, I'm a helpful guy.
Me: "OK, $Mike, lets see if we can do a remote session.."
Problem #1: My predecessor. a guy I'll call $Bob, relied on TeamViewer, but in the 3 months between $Bob's departure & my arrival, the subscription lapsed and was canceled. In any event, there's no credentials for the admin login (yet), so basically TeamViewer is out for now. This is one of like 55 or 60 different things I've discovered in the last month, and while I am slowly but surely reducing the list of "shit $Bob did poorly or not at all," TeamViewer wasn't that high on the list yet.
[Side Note: I'm deploying a remote managment tool, because holy god going from an MSP environment with a full range of remote management and control tools to a company with expired TeamViewer is like trying to play pingpong with both hands tied behind your back. You don't realize how good you had it until suddenly you don't... LOL. Plus, I discovered, $Bob patently refused to update computers. Like: not at all. I have some computers that are still on the first version of Windows 11. Nevermind all the security releases, etc. And then all the Windows 10 machines. And Windows 8. and Windows 7.... <sigh>]
I look, $MIke's PC hasn't gotten the new remote agent. Oh, of course not: he's remote, probably doesn't ever use the VPN, so he'd never have gotten the GPO deployment of the remote agent.
I email him a link to install the remote agent
$Me: "Lets click on that link.."
Problem #2: $Bob doled out admin rights on the local computers to only a select few (still no rhyme or reason I have found) but poor $Mike who is 100% remote has no ability to do anything if an admin login pops up. And of course: in the 3 months since $Bob left, $GranFrabricante corporate IT changed the domain admin password. Meaning $Mike might have a cached admin login on the PC, but I have NO idea what the "old" domain admin password was. (yes, password mangement is yet another thing on my list, along with PAM, etc)
So now I'm struggling.
$GranFrabricante uses Google Workspace (corporate dictate). I suddenly had the bright idea to start a Google Meet with $Mike and have him do a screen share so I can coach him. $Bob even used the same password for a lot of admin function (yes, I'm changing them as I find them!), so maybe I can do an admin login by guessing the password once I can see the guy's screen.
$Me: "Ok, so click on the screen share icon down in the lower center of the Google Meet window."
$Mike: "I don't see it."
$Me: "Its the little up-arrow in a box, next to the hand icon"
$Mike: "I don't know what that is."
$Me: "Hold on a sec, let me do this."
I screen shot the whole toolbar at the bottom of the Meet window and and then share my screen and show him.
$Mike: "Oh, OK."
"Now what?" $Me: "In that pop up screen, pick 'Entire Screen' in the upper right."
$Mike: "I don't see that."
$Me: "What, really?
I screenshot the pop up window and add an arrow pointing to "Entire Screen". I share my screen and show him that.
$Mike: "I don't have that."
$Me: "Wait, what pops up?"
$Mike: "A screen but I can click Share or Cancel."
$Me: "There aren't three tabs across the top, Chrome Tab, Window and Entire Screen?"
$Mike: "Oh, yeah, entire screen.
$Me: "Great, just click that and then pick Screen 1"
$Mike: "I, uh, I don't know how to do that."
Mind you, this whole time I can see him via his webcam and he's looking all over the place but not always at his screen.
$Me: "hmmm, OK, Mike, let me think for a minute.. Lets-"
Then, finally, Problem #3, the biggest one of all, crops up.
$Mike hangs up his phone, gets up from his computer and walks away.
I'm astonished. Whats going on?
I call him back. No answer.
Of course, he has no sound so he can't hear me via the computer.
I stay on the Google Meet 10 more minutes then hang up. I walk down to the engineering group.
$Me: "Hey, so yeah, I was just on the horn with $Mike and, uh, we were having a hard time doing doing some fairly basic stuff.."
$EngineeringDirector: "Oh, thats $Mike. He's brilliant at what he does, but, uh, he had kind of a mental break down about a year or so ago. Major depression, hospitalization, he hasn't been very right since."
$Me: (channeling Andy in 40 Year Old Virgin) "Uh huh, ya think?"
$EngineeringDirector: "He told me he was in the hospital last week, even. Yeah, he has a hard time doing really basic tasks.."
$Me: "Well, he hung up the phone and just walked away mid-sentence. I have no clue whats going on."
$EngineeringDirector: "Yeah, he does that."
I tried so hard not to eye-roll. Come on man, don't you think that if you have an employee that can't respond to instructions you'd at least give your IT folks a heads up?
$EngineeringDirector works out with $Mike last week that this week he will fly here to our US HQ in the midwest so we can sort his shit out. They haven't seen $Mike in awhile, anyway, good to get some face time. Except: $Mike basically went off grid. Didn't respond to $EngineeringDirector, and then Monday finally surfaces with a litany of excuses involving his meds and the airline, etc.
$Me: "So, he's coming tomorrow? Wednesday?"
$EngineeringDirector:
Last week passed and no $Mike at HQ. I think the next communication with $Mike is going to be "We're shipping you a pre-paid box. Please put all your company shit in it and take it to the UPS store and we'll send you your final paycheck once we receive your undamaged equipment." (probably not precisely that, for labor & wage reasons, but you get the drift)
So yeah, I've done a lot of tech support in the last 30 years. Thats my first time experiencing a guy with an honest to god mental illness that prevents him from responding accurately to questions, or, you know, acting like an adult.
lionseatcake@reddit
I do tech support for a much much smaller company than yours, working directly with customers.
It's so astonishing when there's only one window up on their screen, all the words representing menu options are clearly visible on the screen, and the option they need is actually scrolled up center screen, and you still have to go, "Accessibility? Do you see accessibility? Should be in the menu options to the left of the window you just clicked? Accessibility?"
And they are getting annoyed like you think they're too stupid to see something if it was in fact on the screen to see.
Then when you finally get connected you can see the GD menu option right there! It's right in there face. And so you point it out, like, "this is the accessibility option I needed you to click! 🙃"
Some people's brains just aren't wired to use computers or something.
KnottaBiggins@reddit
You said it.
Around 20 years ago, my company still was using dial-up. I had to get a user to power cycle a modem. She was afraid to switch it off and back on. I tried to get her to just unplug it from the wall and plug it in, she was afraid to do it.
Why the fear? Because it was a computer.
I used this analogy. "You know how when you buy a lamp at a store, when you get it home you have to plug it in? Well, that's all I'm asking you to do here!"
Swampzor@reddit
Hahaha the amount of times i have heard "I do not know what to do, Im very bad at this computery stuff" when I'm telling them to remove the power plug from the wall socket and connect it again.
I have used everything from a toaster to a hairdryer as an anology multiple times, and would hang up and think that people cannot ACTUALLY be this stupid.
As soon as it has ANYTHING to do with something "computery" people get a stroke and do not know what a power plug is.
DoktenRal@reddit
Or when they can't follow the single wire....
SavvySillybug@reddit
Reminds me of https://i.redd.it/a3jui15dzkke1.jpeg
TheITCustodian@reddit (OP)
Holy God, isn't that the truth.
Or the folks who have no knowledge of computers who suddenly start fooling with settings in the control panel. I feel like Livingston Dell in Oceans 11.
https://imgur.com/a/7qKB3Rj
"Do you see me taking your gun out of the holster?"
drislands@reddit
My sister did something like that a few weeks back. She called me to say that she couldn't connect to her wifi, and that it had been a problem for a week. I tactfully reminded her she could have called me when it started, and she told me she wanted to figure it out on her own.
Over the course of the conversation I discover this order of events: * Her Roku stopped being able to connect to wifi. * She tried connecting the normal way several times with no success. * She put a paperclip in the reset hole on the router. * Nothing could connect to the wifi anymore. * One week passed. * She called me.
I have no idea where she got the idea to do a total reset of the router before doing literally anything else, but it happened.
TheITCustodian@reddit (OP)
I've seen this. On things without an obvious power switch, non-tech people equate a pinhole or paperclip reset to a "reboot." and they've been told all along when computer stuff gets weird "just reboot."
"Rebooting your router is pulling the power cord for 15 seconds and plugging it back in. What you did is like wiping the computer and starting from scratch."
I had a $Customer with a remote site with two employees. The router would reset when one $Employee who thought he was tech savvy would paperclip the thing. Two hours of one of my $Tech's time to go to the site, reload the config backup and get them online.
After the first one, we made it clear to the $Customer that this was billable. We admonished the $Employee and the $SiteManager "don't do that." After the second visit, I had the $Tech put a label over the reset hole with the word "NO!" on it. You guessed it: they'd just peel the label off and jam a paperclip in there.
I went to the site the last time it happened. Peeled the router case open and super-glued the reset button. For good measure I JB Weld'd the paperclip hole and put the label back on it. Put the whole thing back together, grabbed the $SiteManager and the $Employee and told them in no uncertain terms that if the router got cold reset again, someone was losing their job for misuse of company equipment.
$SiteManager said "you don't have that authority."
I dialed up the $Owner of the company, who I had talked to on the way to the site, put him on speaker
Never had a problem after that.
-MazeMaker-@reddit
No fair, you didn't give them the option to fuck it up and get fired
Tatermen@reddit
Honestly, I blame Microsoft in part for this.
When Windows 7 came out, the "network troubleshooting" wizard would frequently tell people to "reset your router" no matter what the real issue was (wrong password, not in range etc). People go look at their router, and find the pinhole for reset. Voila.
Strazdas1@reddit
has the network troubleshooting wizard has helped even one person on the planet? It always gave the worst advice.
Strazdas1@reddit
If i need to power off a device who made sure its as obscure as possible to shut it down i just.. unplug it. Always worked fine with routers. And some routers do love accumulating logs in memory that need a hard reset once a year or so or they start lagging.
drislands@reddit
Beautiful!
lionseatcake@reddit
The best is when I'm ts'ing device connectivity on their network, and I've asked if anything has changed or if anyone has done any type of work at all (because the simplest way to phrase these questions is the best, I've learned) and then an hour later they're like, "Well we did just change ISP's and we're on fios now. I don't even know what to do with the new router, it's managed by the ISP" 🤦♂️
Like, great. We've been powercycling devices, checking firewalls, looking for third parties, examining windows user priveleges, and checking ethernet cords for an hour now...
TheITCustodian@reddit (OP)
Update #2 (from my original post)
$Mike showed up. He's a great guy, just has some challenges in life.
Got him sorted out in like 5 minutes. Windows 10 had just disabled his audio device randomly. But of course it was 4 layers deep in dialog boxes to find that setting. Which was not something I was easily going to talk Mike thru remotely over the phone.
His laptop is a) up to date; b) working as tip-top as it can be; c) has the remote agent on it; d) has a local admin account on it in the event we need it; and e) on the list to be replaced before October.
Dom_Shady@reddit
This story deserves a "horror" tag.
Zonnebloempje@reddit
Sorry, but what's with all the dollars? Are all these people majorly rich or something? Or is it just to indicate that they have imaginary names? Just say that at the beginning, and I can properly read the text. Thanks.
WayneH_nz@reddit
Like %username% means any username and %company name% means any company name
From batch files on dos and similar you could use cd c:\users\%username%\desktop and it will take you to the desktop of the current logged in user.
Strazdas1@reddit
Yer microsoft had to fuck it up and %appdata% does not actually take you to appdata but to appdata/Roaming
TheITCustodian@reddit (OP)
Years ago there was a convention here on TFTS that proper nouns or titles were represented with pseudo variable names (maybe for some kind of readability? Ease of reference?).
It's been awhile since I was a regular poster here, but I fell right back in to the habit...
Strazdas1@reddit
This is how it felt reading your post. Like i was back in 2015-2019 period of this sub.
ryanlc@reddit
Exactly. Around here, we have $Traditions.
AnarchistMiracle@reddit
I'm not sure why you got downvoted so much. In fairness to you, OP didn't even use the syntax correctly. The dollar sign is supposed to indicate a placeholder, a variable that hasn't been filled in.
Like this: "I work at $COMPANY with my manager named $BOSS."
The idea is that the names are left unsaid, so you can fill in your own. Like undefined variables.
OP didn't do that, though. Instead, they made up fake names and then put dollar signs in front of them. This suggests that OP also does not understand what the dollar signs are supposed to mean. Asking why "$Mike" has a dollar in his name is a perfectly valid question.
ryanlc@reddit
It's a programming convention. Some languages,, such as PowerShell, use the string symbol ($) to denote variables.
ikefalcon@reddit
How do people like that not get fired?
TMQMO@reddit
Possibly the same reason why the guy that's really really good at system administration doesn't always get fired just because he only showers once a week.
ikefalcon@reddit
How good can this guy really be if he has to be flown out to use his computer?
Strazdas1@reddit
The guy went through a hospitalization depression treatment a week ago. Its known to have memory loss effects. Its possible he literally cannot remmeber what he did before.
QwertyChouskie@reddit
Hey! I resemble that remark!
Bakkie@reddit
I occasionally pop in here as the Little Old Lady Tecno-dinosaur. I am not in tech by any stretch of teh imagination. I am an end user. Quite good at what I do substantively though.
A lot of tech guys, possibly like $Me, don't realize that basic user interface directions don't make sense to older workers, like me. Mental breakdowns are not required.
Where do I find those three little dots to click? What exactly is a browser extension?
May I respectfully suggest when you "Tech Bros" run into situations like this, you first ascertain what level of technical expertise your audience has and pitch your instruction accordingly -in a non condescending way, if you please.
Do I hit Enter now?
NewUserWhoDisAgain@reddit
Sure. I try to keep it in mind all the time.
On the other.
"Left hand side of your screen, there should be box. The left. Left hand side sir. No that's the right side, you need to be on the left. On the left sir. Opposite side of where your mouse is right now. Okay you've closed the window sir, you need to reopen it. On the bottom of the screen click the icon that looks like a yellow box. On the bottom sir. I understand you're not a computer person but sir-"
Like I get it, getting thrown a bunch of jargon can disorient even the best of people but when someone is unable to follow basic directions or SHAPES?! I'm sorry that's not jargon that's child development skills!
Bakkie@reddit
As I sit here, on Chrome, across the bottom of my screen is a bar with :
a black square and a white one superimposed on it,
something that looks like a circular ribbon with the spectrum,
little purple people with a purple square with a T,
an old fashioned file folder,
a circle with Dell in it,,
a teal blue suitcase with colored squares in it,
a lower case a in a white box with some yellow,
a gray box with a faint M,,
another suitcase looking square with colored stripes,
that gray box with an M again,
an orange circle thingy with a purple center,
a white box with a W,
one of the circular ribbons again,
a multicolored circle with a blue dot in the center,
a green square with a X that I know is not Twitter,
a white box with a music note, and
a blue box with a W on the side.
(I am being disingenuous) but which box did you mean?
Strazdas1@reddit
Youd be surprised how often "the fox on fire" has worked with my colleagues...
TheITCustodian@reddit (OP)
I recently came over from managed services, where customer service skills and talking to users of varying skill levels remotely comes with the territory.
This is part of the reason I reverted to screenshots of the dialog boxes to make sure I was clear about what I was asking of $Mike, in case I missed something or his skill level wasn't what I was expecting. I generally assume people have a modicum of computer skill in 2025 until they prove otherwise (ie. "What do you mean 'right-click'?").
At my last job I often worked with many of our older users who were "less than savvy." I was accused of having a good way of explaining things to people. My boss got great feedback on how I interacted with our user base.
Turns out, $EngineeringDirector knew that $Mike had a "negative technical quotient" and didn't tell me. $Mike is an expert in part of our industry, like some kind of engineer or scientist. You'd think he'd have some level of technical engagement or ability to read and repeat. But when you ask a guy to read off what an error message says and they go "uh, I can't read that...", that's alarm bells. I just didn't know what kind of alarm bells at the time.
I'm really sad for the guy.. He sounds like a cool fellow, but it seems like things have gone off the rails for him. I reached out twice more to reattack his issue and he hasn't replied, so I'm kind of at an impasse until I can get hands on his computer.
Bakkie@reddit
I am an injury lawyer by trade. After $Mike said that, he dropped off the call and couldn't be reached?
My bias makes me think he has a vison problem, possibly macular degeneration with central visual field loss and that he literally couldn't not read that. Leaving the call abruptly sounds like a bad psychological rection to the hard realization he is going blind.
My point is that we all see what we are trained to look for and that it takes a lot to think of other plausible explanations
RosieAU93@reddit
If he also had ECT in his depression treatment he easily could have lost all computer skills he previously had due to the memory loss side effects and would need to completely relearn how to use a computer.
AnarchistMiracle@reddit
There's something here that most people in a user support role have run into, and it's more of an attitude than a level of expertise. Some people may know nothing at all about computers, but they're willing to communicate, read error messages, and generally engage with the problem. Other people treat IT like a genie--they rub the bottle and expect things solved for them with zero input or effort on their behalf.
The latter type is much more frustrating to work with.
Hebrewhammer8d8@reddit
Mike is brilliant at what he does, so can engineer director define it?
Strazdas1@reddit
its possible author didnt want to disclose company internals of what he does.
TinyNiceWolf@reddit
Maybe his job is to frustrate IT.
KnottaBiggins@reddit
Sounds like Bob needs a wellness check.
TheITCustodian@reddit (OP)
Apparently this isn't the first time he's just totally flaked out on things. Or the second. Or the third.
that_one_wierd_guy@reddit
I guess he really is brilliant at what he does.
zaro3785@reddit
Not IT but totally am. I've recently started using Quick Assist (FML) to help my colleagues out. But in order to install anything, I have to disable UAC for remote access.
I wish I could still do it though Teams like I did during the pandemic 😢
not-a-stupid-handle@reddit
You guys don’t deal with people with clear mental illness every day?
TheITCustodian@reddit (OP)
Not clear, no. I've dealt with folks with low-grade mental illness my whole life, it seems. Lol.
Ich_mag_Kartoffeln@reddit
Almost certainly. They're called "people".
TheITCustodian@reddit (OP)
Oh, then yes.
vetvildvivi@reddit
Oh boy, the ol' "ID 10 T error strikes again... gotta love those user-friendly Tier 0 fixes, amirite? 😅
TheITCustodian@reddit (OP)
If they can fix it before putting in a ticket, "Please do."
stromm@reddit
Classic iD10t.
bhambrewer@reddit
Sooner or later it's PEBCAK.
Ich_mag_Kartoffeln@reddit
Yep, PEBKAC/PICNIC should be always be considered a likely cause of any issue; rather like DNS.
mwenechanga@reddit
Seems pretty obvious that rather than Bob doing anything wrong poor Bob was overworked and underappreciated and they let it all go to shit for three months before hiring you and blaming Bob for the shit pile they created.
TheITCustodian@reddit (OP)
$Bob was part-time IT, part-time facilities, part-time safety manager. He ingratiated himself into the company in many ways to the point where he wasnt doing any of them well.
I don't know what he was making, but with a bonus I'm sure it was pretty good. But to get that bonus there are certain metrics you need to hit that are agreed upon in advance. He didn't hit those and thus, no bonus.
He bailed a few months later. But there are dozens of things I'm finding that go back years, not just a year's worth of things. The network, the building wiring, the absolutely trash nature of the network closets that I've seen so far, firewalls that are 4-5 years out of support, PCs that are still on Windows 7, everything with the same password, etc, etc.
This isn't a fellow who was unappreciated. This is a guy in IT who stopped developing his skills or paying attention to industry standards in 2005.
mwenechanga@reddit
Part-time IT gets part-time results.
Bob was severely underpaid for doing 3 jobs and the problem is your boss, not Bob. Just try not to let them burn you out as well.
depastino@reddit
PEBKAC
NightGod@reddit
ID-10-T errors remain undefeated
vivi_is_wet4_420@reddit
Sounds like a classic case of IT support dodging "user-errors" again... 🙄
RcNorth@reddit
Rather then have Mike fly to see you, I think you need to send someone out there to get his system, and probably a lot of other things in order.
sporkmanhands@reddit
That’s too bad to hear, hopefully that guy isn’t alone in life and can get help
Or it is all an act and he’s massively overemployed and just letting the job with your company go to shit because he doesn’t need it anymore (hence the looking all around even in a meeting on camera)
I’ve been remote for 10+ years and quite a while ago they changed it so if I needed admin I could open a ticket and they would give me admin for a set amount of time. I’d suggest something like that for your people along with having to use a vpn. Just sayin’.
TheITCustodian@reddit (OP)
Yeah, there's a couple PAM solutions I've dealt with over the years that were similar.
I didn't even know this guy was an employee until he called me.. apparently we have a sales person somewhere out there, too, but nobody knows if she even has company equipment. (That's the other thing $Bob did for us: a complete lack of documentation)