Parents not understanding "locked" vs "off"

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twcsata@reddit

Doesn’t help that Apple is doing everything they can to hide the ability to turn off the device. I only recently discovered that now there’s two buttons you have to hold to get the shutdown screen. Can’t vouch for Android. And it’s not that it’s hard; it’s just that it’s not intuitive, and there’s nothing easily located to tell you what to do. You can google it I guess, but I imagine the people struggling with this might also struggle with finding good search results.

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lvl42spaz@reddit

My Android (Pixel 6) recently switched to this, too - power + vol UP, where power + vol Down is still a screenshot). I hate it. Just holding the power button pulls up the Gemini AI which I do not use.

Incidentally: now that I've typed this comment I realize it's a setting I can switch back. Phew. But it was auto-changed for me on an update a while ago, which is so annoying.

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GuestStarr@reddit

Just holding the power button pulls up the Gemini AI which I do not use.

You should start using it. Use it to ask how to turn off your phone. Every time, and nothing else.

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lvl42spaz@reddit

Your suggestion is indeed compelling XD

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blockCoder2021@reddit

On iPhone (and I’m not sure if it works for other devices), I can ask Siri (Apple’s AI) to restart my iPhone, and they will.

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Strazdas1@reddit

Thats what i do. It just opens the shutdown menu for me. literally the only time i use it other than accidental press.

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Strazdas1@reddit

the only reason i use the AI is to tell it "shut down" which opens the shut down menu.

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Engineer_on_skis@reddit

Some androids can get the power menu through the notification shade. On my Samsung pull down the notification shade, then pull down the quick settings and at the top next to the icon for full settings is the power icon. It goes to the same menu that the power button goes to.

Out of the box the power button wasn't a power button; I think it was also an assistant button, but it was also a setting.

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lvl42spaz@reddit

Out of the box, my phone's power button was always a power button until that update. That's how I formed the habit of the power button handling, well, the power menu. Of course I can use the notification drop down, but that's not what I first think to do because why would I do that if there's a power button I'm already used to? I had to learn that as secondary.

I prefer my power button be a power button, so I'm glad for the option to change the setting back.

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Engineer_on_skis@reddit

I'm with you. Let's leave the power button a power button.

If a manufacturer wants a voice assistant button, add a new button. Then give me the option to have it do whatever I want it to, because I will talk on my phone, but not to my phone.

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scotchirish@reddit

On mine, Pixel 8, pulling the top bar all the way down will give the power button at the bottom of the screen.

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DipStick00@reddit

On mine, iPhone 12, pulling down my quick settings (swiping down from top right) gives me the power button at the top right of that screen.

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abadbronc@reddit

I don't know why I've never noticed that! I use the settings button right next to it all the time.

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xRockTripodx@reddit

Yes! Just got a pixel 9 pro, and hate how they hide the simplest fucking thing: turning your device off.

I'm far from a conspiracy theorist, but this seems like a weird and blatant attempt to make sure your device is always on and reporting info to our corporate masters.

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AbaloneMysterious474@reddit

TIL way too many people on this sub didn't bother checking their button mapping settings. Bunch of endusers /s

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DracoBengali86@reddit

I didn't realize the latest update changed this. I've been traveling so other than the update, haven't restarted my phone. Thank you.

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Jofarin@reddit

Can't you ask the Gemini AI to restart your phone?

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lvl42spaz@reddit

I don't want to have to talk to my phone to get it to do things, lol

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PM_ME_YOUR_REPO@reddit

Thank you.

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randypriest@reddit

Press and hold the power button on the Pixels gives you the power menu.

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Pandahatbear@reddit

For me posting and holding the power button was set to bring up the Google assistant. Thanks to this thread I realised I could switch that over to the power menu!

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randypriest@reddit

Interesting, i've not changed the behaviour on mine.

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lvl42spaz@reddit

That was the complaint I had; I also hadn't changed the behavior, an update did it for me. I did have to change it back. I'm grateful I could though!

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PapaTim68@reddit

Most Variants of Android now also have a controll in the quick settings/notification area, to reach the shot down menu. Which for me most of the time is most convenient way to reboot my device. While I agree having a shortcut for is important but in 90% of the cases I dont need it, to reboot.

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Fixes_Computers@reddit

This has helped me. I was so used to long holding power to get the shutdown menu. Power + is a reasonable option if I can remember it.

Now to see if I can find the setting to switch it back.

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Arnas_Z@reddit

Search "power" in the system settings.

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anadem@reddit

Thank you!

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nerdymama42@reddit

Thank you so much! This feature has been driving me up the wall

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grendus@reddit

I hate it too. I keep accidentally taking a screen shot trying to put my phone into sleep mode because I squeeze from both sides...

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dryroast@reddit

This reminds me of a hilarious birthday where people kept accidentally hitting the screenshot button on the joycon on my friends switch. He was like hearing the screenshot thing keep going off and was like "YOUR GONNA FILL MY STORAGE WITH SCREENSHOTS" lol.

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SLJ7@reddit

I didn't know either. I have a Pixel 7 and am going to go turn that off. Thanks muchly.

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dariusdetiger@reddit

Oh cool, i didn't know you could change it back. Thanks.

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adams_unique_name@reddit

I only recently discovered that now there’s two buttons you have to hold to get the shutdown screen

Same. I've used Android phones all my life. My workplace gave me an iphone, and I had to restart it, but I could not figure out how to to do it. Thankfully, my Google fu skills are good.

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AdreKiseque@reddit

I cannot image what a UX nightmare would leave one lost trying to turn the device off.

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Strazdas1@reddit

Just remmeber, most phone software literally has no options to shut down in UI. It either runs perpetually or gets force shut down by OS. literally no options to shut itself down.

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AdreKiseque@reddit

Huh? Every phone I've used lets you shut it down by holding the power button

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Strazdas1@reddit

i guess you havent used a phone in the last 5 years.

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ArritzJPC96@reddit

It's one way of pushing Ai crap on us. Samsung used to have a separate bixby button, but people hated it, so they got rid of it. They then made the power button open bixby instead, unless you hold the volume down button at the same time.

Iphone does the same exact things except with volume up.

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Moneia@reddit

Ohhhh - Another reason to steer clear of Samsung phones

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ArritzJPC96@reddit

I literally said iphones do the exact same thing. Avoid smartphones altogether if that's what you hate.

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rednax1206@reddit

There are other smartphone options besides iPhone and Samsung. I have a Pixel.

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-MazeMaker-@reddit

The rest of this thread is about pixels doing the same thing ...

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rednax1206@reddit

For me, the power button still turns the device off.

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-MazeMaker-@reddit

Same for me on my Samsung. I'm now dreading getting a new phone

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rednax1206@reddit

For what it's worth my phone is new. (Pixel 9 Pro)

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Moneia@reddit

And I favour Moto phones.

Where does that fall on your scale of self-righteous indignation?

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Fixes_Computers@reddit

I can't vouch for that person, but I, too, am a Moto phone user.

Seems to have the least amount of bloat compared to others. This could also be because I buy an unlocked phone from Amazon rather than my carrier.

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lord_teaspoon@reddit

When I moved from Moto to Nokia I really missed the feature where you could just give it two shakes to turn the light on.

I'm currently on a Pixel 6. When I first got it I enjoyed using the on-device voice recognition to turn the light on and off by holding the lock/assistant button and saying "Lumos" or "Nox", but there's been a steady stream of updates that each made that experience suck a little more (eg, moving voice recognition to the cloud so it takes several seconds longer, the assistant refusing to turn the light on unless the phone is unlocked, and at one point it was even showing a confirmation prompt that had to be tapped through to get the light on) so not I've gone back to just sliding down the notifications drawer and pressing the button for it.

This is just one example of Google's tendency to release Pixel updates that mess with the features that work well and never fix the features that are broken or half-arsed. When I decide it's time to replace this Pixel 6 I'm hoping to go back to Moto.

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xanderh@reddit

I mean, I just double-tap the back of my pixel to turn the torch on...

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lord_teaspoon@reddit

Oh yeah, I'd forgotten they added that. When it first switched itself on in an update I spent a morning being surprised the light was on every time I got the phone out of my pocket, so at lunchtime I had a look at the recent updates and turned that off. Looking now I see a "Require stronger taps" option in the settings for that so I'm going to give that a try and see if it sucks less.

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Moneia@reddit

That's pretty much the same reason I like it, that and their £200 - £300 phones are excellent value for money IMO

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WildMartin429@reddit

I love my Motorola phone. Although I miss my HTC but they stopped making Flagship phones for the US and sold a lot of their business to other companies. It looks like they're trying to make phones in the US again but I'm dubious as it's basically different company now.

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TrikkStar@reddit

At least Samsung let's you switch it back to just being a power button.

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Moneia@reddit

I have a Moto, it never changed from being a power button.

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virtueavatar@reddit

There's an option to change it in the settings to open whatever you want for double click and either bixby or power off on hold.

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Strazdas1@reddit

oh dont worry. Bixby is always listening and if it hears anything even closely resembling its name it automatically activates.

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GetShrekedKid@reddit

I will never use Bixby! Bixby can go fuck himself!

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RogueThneed@reddit

Or Clippy. Let them fuck each other.

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trip6s6i6x@reddit

first thing I did when I got a new phone that was doing that shit was google it and turned the damn power button back into a damn power button

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GuestStarr@reddit

That crap is even obligatory in countries with language it doesn't support. I remember calling Samsung support on how to get rid of it. Turned out you can't. Then I asked how to get rid of that annoying pop-up asking you to start using it. Impossible, unless you started using it. I then asked why, because it doesn't even support my language. No answer to that.

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Mother-Pride-Fest@reddit

You can use adb to uninstall Bixby, but Samsung would never suggest that.

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FesteringNeonDistrac@reddit

You can tell Bixby to fuckoff forever and never see it. Not certain how but it must have been pretty easy because I'm sure I did it on the first day I had the phone. But my power button locks the screen on a press, shutdown menu on hold, and opens the camera on double tap.

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JWBails@reddit

I miss the Bixby button. I loved having it remapped to literally anything other than Bixby.

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sldcam@reddit

To shut down an IPhone just go to settings I have the 16 Pro Max I’ve had to shut mine down a couple of times to change the screen protector

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Monimonika18@reddit

(getting flashbacks to when I couldn't intuitively figure out how to Shutdown on Windows 8)

I was shrieking obscenities at the computer and then more obscenities when I googled where Shutdown had been stupidly relocated to (Charms Bar -> Settings -> Power -> Shutdown 🤬).

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GuestStarr@reddit

I think this is the reason why people started doing hard shutdowns with the power button. They just couldn't figure out how to turn off their computer so they did what they knew would shutdown. I remember seeing windows 8 the first time and immediately deciding it was not for me. No regrets. I also told everybody I wouldn't support any windows 8 machines, ever. I made an exception in just one case. He was a professional plumber and he used to do all my plumbing work for free if and only if I'd maintain his windows 8 laptop. I had to think hard before going for that and I'm still not sure if it was a good deal. Even if he once came over in the middle of the night...

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Severe_Ad_5914@reddit

Waxing nostalgic here for my Android 4 clamshell ,where I could just pop the back off, yank the battery, and yeet it across the room when it locked up. So satisfying.

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quenishi@reddit

Ah, yes, I still have the "sleepy time" shortcut on my desktop from those dark days.

Still use it half the time to shut down my pc 😆

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Warrangota@reddit

There you at least have the option to Alt+F4 on the desktop if nothing else makes sense. But yes, I still am salty that they moved the 'log off's button to that weird two-entries user menu instead of the power options where it was for decades.

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Strazdas1@reddit

Android is hiding it too. It is in fact easier now to tell the AI asistant to "shut down" where after 5 times it not understanding what you said it goes to the correct dialogue than look for ever changing combination. In fact on my samsung phone you have to enable developer mode to even have the combination to shut down available.

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koolman2@reddit

You can now access the power menu from the control center. It’s in the top right corner. Tap and hold for a moment and you’ll get the “slide to power off” screen.

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nomnomnompizza@reddit

Same for Samsung by default. Holding power buttons activates AI thing.

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twcsata@reddit

I did everything I could to turn off as many AI features as possible. Idk, it’s like this thing that is intended to simplify our lives, just seems to complicate mine.

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ahkian@reddit

It’s android too. Now long pressing the lock button brings up the voice assistant.

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Expensive-Bill-7780@reddit

Not pn samsung I guess

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grendus@reddit

Which is dumb in the first place - it already answers to "Hey Google". Why do I need a button to activate the voice mode?

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rednax1206@reddit

I turned off the "Hey google" on my phone because I didn't need my phone and smart speakers both trying to answer when I said it. If I'm using my phone, I'll press a button.

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lord_teaspoon@reddit

I only use the voice assistant in the car, and I press a button on the steering wheel or stereo head unit to activate it. Imagine how amazed and satisfied I am with the state of technology when every few weeks there's another update to the voice assistant that leaves it refusing to follow commands until I pull over, unlock the phone, and work through a bunch of settings to give it permission to do what it was willing and able to do yesterday.

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grendus@reddit

That's fair.

When my smart speakers and my phone are on the same network, only one of them responds. I assume they detect each other and use their mics to determine who was closest to me before answering.

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Ich_mag_Kartoffeln@reddit

Depends on the phone. On mine pressing the power button locks, long press brings up the power options (emergency, shutdown, reboot).

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MrsCaptain_America@reddit

You can change it in the "Gestures" menu in the System Settings. I have a Pixel 7 Pro and if I hold the lock button I get the power menu.

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ahkian@reddit

Thank you!

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Solarwinds-123@reddit

That's a setting you can change

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Dpek1234@reddit

Can’t vouch for Android

Phone dependent

My samsung a52 , i just need to hold the power button

Remember android is very much like linux in that every distro can have it in a very diffrent way

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donnacus@reddit

You can just tell Siri to shutdown

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groucho_barks@reddit

I'm a 40 year old computer programmer and I can't figure out how apple products work. Granted I only have ever tried for max 30 seconds while trying to do something on someone else's device. But they're extremely not intuitive.

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draculajones@reddit

I've been an Apple sysadmin since OS9. I know these bastards inside and out. They're shitty, shiny products for morons. It kills me that Windows and Android are chasing them to the bottom by adopting their regressionist designs in hardware and software.

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nico282@reddit

If you swipe down from the top to get the controls screen (the one with volume and screen brightness) on the top right there is a power button.

You still have to keep it pressed two seconds to get to the shutdown screen, but easier than remember the button combo.

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Aggleclack@reddit

Idk about the iPad but the iPhone is the volume and power buttons on direct opposite sides of the phone. Feels very natural. Found it out by accident on day one

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LonePaladin@reddit

At least you have that. On most Android devices, the volume and power buttons are right next to each other, so you can accidentally put them in sleep mode when you try to turn the volume down.

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Mothringer@reddit

The standard way to get to the shutdown option on ios is to hit the lock button repeatedly, not to hold anything.

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FlippyFloppyGoose@reddit

Can confirm. I googled it and still could not figure out how to do it for a good 10 minutes.

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shiratek@reddit

In the most recent iOS you can now swipe down to open control center and then press and hold the power symbol to turn it off.

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TXSyd@reddit

Telling Siri to turn off or restart also works.

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show_time_synergy@reddit

This is the only function where Siri has ever actually been functional for me lol

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someperson42@reddit

There are a couple of other ways to do it:

Control Center -> Power button in the top right corner
Settings -> General -> Shut down

But yeah, I feel like holding down the button was much easier.

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throwaway126400963@reddit

Honestly if you hold the 2 buttons properly for a long enough time it’s still fairly easy to kill it with no menus

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EmerainD@reddit

On my Samsung Galaxy, holding down the power button brings up a menu with 'Power Off / Restart / Emergency Call'. And I think there's a few other places with a straight 'power down' option that are logical.

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twcsata@reddit

That’s how iPhones were until fairly recently.

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cdspace31@reddit

My Samsung S24 Ultra, hold the power button for 3 seconds, all the restart/power off options pop up. Easy peasy.

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Jethro_Carbuncle@reddit (OP)

And if you Google it you'll be greeted with the unanswered questions from 2011

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Ich_mag_Kartoffeln@reddit

https://m.xkcd.com/979/

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ethnicman1971@reddit

Not that difficult anymore. If you swipe down in the top right corner you will see a small power icon that you can press to turn off the device.

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commanderquill@reddit

I have a Google Pixel 7 and it's the same volume up + on button to actually shut it off. Holding down the on button brings up the AI. It's fucking bizarre.

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din_the_dancer@reddit

now there’s two buttons you have to hold to get the shutdown screen.

Android has started doing this too awhile ago. At least my last 2 Samsung phones I need to hold 2 buttons now instead of having a dedicated power button.

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fresh-dork@reddit

it is kind of weird how hostile apple has gotten. so many ways to accidentally trigger a new swipe pattern or the accursed spotlight hotkey, but it's all 'discoverable', meaning that there's no obvious user guide that lays this all out

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TleilaxTheTerrible@reddit

Can’t vouch for Android.

As with all things android, it depends on the version/launcher. At work we use a Samsung tablet which has a power button that doesn't work all the time. As a workaround we were able to put a shortcut to the power options in the status bar, set the screen timeout to 15 seconds but wake-up on double-tapping the screen. On my own phone (OnePlus) I don't think there's an option like that, but maybe it's hidden somewhere obscure.

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Cthuloops76@reddit

My mother-in-law complained her iPad was very slow… For months… finally just asked to see it. Turns out damned near every app she had was open along with upwards of 40+ browser tabs. She didn’t want to lose progress on some things and was afraid she wouldn’t be able to find particular sites again… had to explain how the apps worked and introduce her to the joy of bookmarks. Love that woman.

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clarkcox3@reddit

Turns out damned near every app she had was open

That’s not how it works; The list of apps shown in the app switcher is not a list of open apps; it is a list of apps ordered by recent use. Most of those apps are not running, and are not consuming resources, so you accomplish zero by removing them from the list.

The few that are running will be frozen if their resources are needed, and killed outright if their resources are really needed. You force-quitting them only means that you’re circumventing the normal process and making them take more time to load the next time she wants to use them.

had to explain how the apps worked and introduce her to the joy of bookmarks. Love that woman.

Bookmarks sure, but your explanation of “how apps work” likely caused more harm than good

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Strazdas1@reddit

Most of those apps are in fact running, having memory leak bugs and are totally fucking you over in ways you dont expect. The idea of keeping them suspended in background is nice in theory, but that assumes every app developer is always following standards and are never maliciuos.

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clarkcox3@reddit

I assure you, I have firsthand knowledge that that is simply not the case. It sure what I can say to convince you.

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AutumnSunshiiine@reddit

You teach them how to properly quit apps.

Some older people forget things they don’t do regularly. If they already have it ingrained to force quit apps regularly, even when they don’t need to do so, when they do need to do it it’s so much easier talking them through it.

Especially for the “but I didn’t grow up with technology” crowd, who you have to essentially force to use technology in the first place.

It’s not the right approach for everyone. But for my parents who are very firmly in the “why should I have to do this?” camp… it makes life easier for me.

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mizinamo@reddit

Turns out damned near every app she had was open

That shouldn't matter.

As far as I know, Apple even recommends leaving apps open rather than force-quitting them, as it reclaims resources from stuff that's running in the background and pauses/snoozes them automatically when resources are needed -- but when you go back to one of those apps, it can be faster to "unsnooze" them than to start them from scratch after force-quitting them.

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Strazdas1@reddit

Heres the thing. This is how it should work. Its not how it actually works. Half the time apps would prevent the OS from claiming resources or if OS forced issue the apps fail to restore next time and have to be force quit anyway.

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SLJ7@reddit

It shouldn't, but occasionally I do still see apps lagging my 15 pro max before they're force-quit. Apple can't account for every single resource overusage without causing problems for the apps. Sometimes it's okay to take control of your own force-quitting.

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billh492@reddit

There is no hope I work in a school with many people with advanced degrees and they can not figure out how to restart a windows computer and the option is right there on the start menu.

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flecktonesfan@reddit

The what menu?

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Strazdas1@reddit

the 4 squares menu, duh.

It helped when it actually said "Start" on it though.

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billh492@reddit

https://www.google.com/search?q=start+menu&rlz=1C1GCEB_enUS1129US1129&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

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Zoleish@reddit

This sounds like learned incompetence. They know that if they complain that they cant do it, that you'll just do it for them. I say, let them suffer until they are willing to actually learn.

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DarkSkyStarDance@reddit

My husband bought a new Samsung and I had to google how to turn it off- it was like using the Nintendo code!

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ConstanceJill@reddit

I suppose you meant the Konami code?

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Shadowrend01@reddit

Previous generations are computer illiterate. Successive generations are computer illiterate. That sweet spot in the middle that grew up with it at the right time are the only ones who know how to do anything

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Photodan24@reddit

I bought an iPad for my 82 year old mother thinking it would be easier for her to use over a laptop. I honestly thought hitting a button on a touch screen was foolproof. I was wrong.

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Cakeliesx@reddit

I had to turn on the assistive touch button because I could not manage the swipes. Especially if I want to go to the control center. My poor husband sometimes has to do things for me because it is getting harder and harder to navigate my devices. And multi finger swiping, just can't master them.

So I have a whole lot of empathy for your parents.

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BoredAccountant@reddit

Don't forget, Apple products are user-friendly.

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Entarotupac@reddit

If I get a phone call from a family member (I am the first line for 5 people in their 70's) I just tell them to restart the phone/tablet. It takes far less time for all involved than trying to walk them through how to kill an app--ask me how I know.

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WildMartin429@reddit

Honestly Apple doesn't make it intuitive on how to close out apps permanently. So many people I know with iPhones and iPads that are having issues have no idea how to close their apps. So I go to close the app and they have literally dozens upon dozens of things open because yeah that's how those devices work. People not knowing how to restart a device though is a completely different kettle of fish and honestly they should know how to turn it off and back on at this point.

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dervish666@reddit

It used to be simple. Press and hold the power button and the one on the front, keep them held down until you see the apple logo, simple and worked. Now you have to do a sodding street fighter special move to turn the thing off.

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MadmanIgar@reddit

Wasn’t this a soft-reset?

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professionalcynic909@reddit

Yeah, except in Street Fighter you can still do a dragon punch the old way, and Apple is constantly changing shit.

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Tuqui77@reddit

They teached you how to use a spoon though

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Jethro_Carbuncle@reddit (OP)

I haven't had to ask for help using one all year 😄

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Tuqui77@reddit

But I'm sure they had to go around that lesson multiple times before you got it 😂

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Acroph0bia@reddit

Technical communication is a rare and valuable skill, even among IT professionals.

Take this as an opportunity to improve yours.

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laz10@reddit

Bro if you someone to turn something on and off and they can't manage that, it's their problem

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ehutch79@reddit

Then realize the users are literally not listening to the words coming out of your mouth.

Or they are literally lieing about doing things. (Bonus if you're screen sharing and watch them not do what you said)

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uhushuhu@reddit

Some people don’t want to words.

I work for tax people since 3 years. Before that I was 5 years in tech company’s.

I’m about to give up now. Those tax guys refuse to tech.

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ehutch79@reddit

Willful ignorance

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djfdhigkgfIaruflg@reddit

I was able to communicate effectively and with no misunderstandings.

Then I took a tech support job for 4 years.

I can't words anymore since then

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Used-Personality1598@reddit

"I can't do it!!!”

"Fine give it to me"

Mission accomplished. Incompetence has been successfully weaponized and now you're fixing it for them.

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gijsyo@reddit

Haha I can relate. They didn’t grow up with it.

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MSGeezey@reddit

This made me remember a coworker having to slow down the double-click speed of the mice for two middle-aged guys running cutting tables 15 years or so ago. "Double-click." click...click... "No no, double-click, like click twice one right after the other." click...click... "No, like click twice fast." click...click...

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marysalad@reddit

if it helps. I demonstrate on the back of my parent's hand the kind of pressure or speed needed to double tap or hold/drag an app so they can get a sense of how to apply these

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Geminii27@reddit

It's one of the reasons I put off using a smartphone or tablet for decades. The interface is so small (despite having more pixels than early PCs) that 98% of functionality is hidden away behind more finger gestures than an 80s street gang greeting.

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srogev@reddit

Or you could try this

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asielen@reddit

For older people with zero exposure to computers, tablets are less intuitive than a regular mouse and keyboards. They are used to having actual buttons that do things. Tablets require navigation using gestures vs just clicking a button. Especially with age where you start to lose feeling and dexterity in your fingers.

My family bought my 99yo grandfather a tablet that he constantly struggled with. I bought him a Chromebook and he can use it just fine because every action has a button or icon to click. He has printed instructions of what to click on when and they are easier to follow than something like "with three fingers swipe down from the top of the screen" etc.

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dryroast@reddit

I bought my mom a Chromebook since she asked for a new computer. But the thing was she had wanted to buy a Chromebook for the family computer before and I had trash talked them because the hardware and I wanted to game and render stuff. So she thought I was cheaping out on her and I had to explain that since she does really basic things like watch YouTube and type up the occasional letter she doesn't need that insane power.

I have seen this Telikin brand in a family friends house, it is touch screen but comes with a stylus and does seem to work well for a 70 year old.

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chubbysumo@reddit

Stop doing it yourself. She "cant do it" because she isnt forced to learn it because you keep doing it for her. My mom was this way until i quit doing thimgs for her and left simple instructions with pictures.

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dryroast@reddit

My mom lives within walking distance of the adult school that teaches both Android and iOS to seniors. Now I start asking when is she going to enroll whenever she takes out her phone and I just am like "teach a man to fish" and she's like "who are you forcing me to take classes" and I'm like "what did you do for 13 years of my life?". She doesn't ask me anymore lol.

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