Sorry, but Intel doesn’t fit into AMD.
Posted by GiveMeYuna@reddit | talesfromtechsupport | View on Reddit | 65 comments
Back in the early 2000s, when the UK JobCentres actively tried to help you get into work, I found myself on work experience through New Deal.
The work experience was in a local independent computer shop. One that builds and repairs computers, while also selling computer accessories and components.
The layout is straight forward. There were only 3 rooms. From front to back was an all-in-one sails and work area. Then kitchen, then toilet.
So if you’re working on a computer, you can hear and see what’s happening at the customer service counter.
The amount of crazy repairs that came through wasn’t all that often. The same with computer builds.
This is one of those crazy computer builds.
I was sat doesn’t a diagnostic on a computer when a guy came in asking for a computer to be built and handed over a spec list to my boss who handles customers.
My boss said that he’ll just go over the list to see how much it’ll cost only for me to hear this.
Boss – Sorry, but it’s not possible to build a computer with these components.
Customer – Why not? They’re all components that came out in the last few years.
Boss – True. These are components that came out recently. However, they’re not compatible.
Customer – What do you mean?
Boss – Sorry, but an Intel CPU doesn’t fit into an AMD motherboard. You’ve also listed SO-DIMM memory instead of DIMM memory. I’m assuming that the CPU is one of those that comes with its own cooling, which in turn, just like the CPU, would not fit the motherboard.
My boss did a quick search on the computer and then returned to the customer.
Boss – Although you did pick a good power supply, it’s sadly not good enough. You need one that’s 100W more powerful.
Customer – So just picking components that look good isn’t good enough.
Boss shaking his head – Sorry, but no. SO-DIMM memory is for laptops. Intel CPUs require a motherboard with and Intel socket for it. The same with AMD. Usually CPUs come with their own cooling, but some don’t so you need to pick one that fits the motherboard. From a similar build that we do, you need a more powerful power supply or you’d end up with problems.
Customer tapping is spec list – But I want this computer.
Boss – I can order you the components, but we cannot build you the computer. You’ll have to try and do that yourself. Or we can go through our build list and pick out a computer to suit your needs.
Customer tapping the list again – But why not these?
Boss – Do you know anything about cars?
Customer – Who doesn’t?
Boss – OK. Then picture this. Can you use Diesel in an Unleaded car? Can you fit a 2 litre van engine into a Ford Fiesta? What about a Lorry’s windscreen in a Transit Van?
He reached under the counter and pulled out some CPUs and RAM before grabbing a customers laptop.
He then showed the customer an AMD and Intel CPU.
Boss – There is a physical difference between the CPUs, in both the shape and the amount of pins they have.
He then opened the laptop and removed the RAM.
Boss – This is SO-DIMM and this is regular RAM needed for desktop computers. As you can see, they’re also physically different.
As the boss returned the stuff the customer spoke up.
Customer – So the list that I’ve chosen is useless?
Boss – Pretty much.
Customer – So what do I do? I want a new computer.
Boss pulled out a couple of sheets with prebuilt specs.
Boss – Let’s talk about your needs and wants.
With that, they started discussing what sort of computer is will do.
shouldExist@reddit
Boss was very patient with the customer. I also like how the customer finally understood the situation he was willing to work with boss
DangersVengeance@reddit
The boss realised the customer didn’t understand why they were wrong, so stuck to their “I want X”. By using the car analogy it created an image the customer could visualise and understand, and allow them to work together instead of the classic “I am customer I am right because you won’t listen” issue.
bob152637485@reddit
Car analogies work surprisingly well for many. I know next to nothing about cars, and have still pulled the card on occasion.
I once had an older guy in my shop, not even a little computer literate. I get it, computers weren't much of a thing when he was hired, and the company was too narrow minded to require computer literacy training once they started using them. Anyways, sometimes it was just easier to move a configuration file to his computer using a flash drive, as opposed to trying the whole "change .cfg to .txt, attach to email, receive email, change back to .cfg" game. I got his software running, and I thought all was well...until for the next 2 months, any possible computer issue he ran in to was due to "me sticking that thing inside his computer and breaking everything!" Didn't help that my micromanager was just as illiterate as he was, and ate up his every word. In hindsight, especially since he was a big car guy, I wish I had busted the analogy out to explain how what I did was not even remotely related to the issues he faced. Perhaps along the lines of how changing breaks couldn't possibly cause your windows washer fluid to be low, or of the like.
joppedi_72@reddit
Had a user that complained that the "worthless f**king new system" we "forced" upon them had deleted on of his important folders.
I just pulled the file action audit log for the "worthless" new cloud storage system, and wouldn't you know. Our angry user had accidently slipped his finger och his laptops touchbar and drag n' drop moved the folder.
Sent a reply including both the screenshot of his actions from the log and the log report with his managers, and mine, cc'd.
Ha-Funny-Boy@reddit
I have not been able to understand why notebook PCs have the touch pad in front of the keyboard. Thumbs drag across it and the mouse moves. I finally got a wireless keyboard and mouse, plugged it in and disable the touch-pad. No problems after that. When I travel I leave the wireless keyboard home and take the mouse with me. I'm happy.
joppedi_72@reddit
When Lenovo and Dell still had the "joystick" in the middle of the keyboard I always disabled the touchpad.
SixFiveOhTwo@reddit
There's a breed of man who will willfully screw anything up that is computer related to 'prove he's a real man who is too non-geeky to handle this'.
A car or DIY analogy will drag them into line every single time.
spacetstacy@reddit
Car anologies work when explaining lots of things. I'm a nurse and have used them ... even in my personal life. I live with 4 men (husband and 3 sons) and jokingly refer to female genitalia as an undercarriage sometimes.
jonas_ost@reddit
Why did he even feel the need to build it himself if he dont know anything about computers. There are prebuilds for a reason
shouldExist@reddit
Everyone has to start somewhere. It might be something they want to do for a while but were not allowed to or too scared to
Iamonly@reddit
I've done similar in my field fixing medical equipment. Car analogies work most times. Unless you are dealing with a Dr.
MelancholyArtichoke@reddit
I’m pretty sure medical knowledge and computer knowledge occupy the same space in one’s brain, so the more you know of one, the less you can learn of the other. This is the only explanation as to why it’s a universal law that brilliant doctors are so bad when it comes to computers.
BresciaE@reddit
Eh I know a few really good MD’s who are pretty good with computers, one actually took a week to go get the Epic super user training.
cmyxt502@reddit
I might just have tell the customer to take their business elsewhere. The boss really sounds a patient guy!
NotTheOnlyGamer@reddit
No. This was a matter of simple ignorance, not stupidity. Ignorance can be taught.
meitemark@reddit
Well, the customer had at least tried to make a list, even if the parts did not fit. That shows some understanding and brain usage. And he still wants a computer and is willing to spend money on it.
warlock415@reddit
Ah, the good ol' car analogy.
PassingLightOfDay@reddit
Had a similar experience. We do not build PCs but a customer asked for our help, because his son (16) wanted to build a PC and couldn't get it to run. We got the parts and there we had an AMD CPU but a motherboard with intel socket. The ram didn't fit either. We told our customer that you can't build a PC with these components. This was the first time i saw a 16 year old having a complete meltdown, throwing himself to the ground like a toddler.
BipedSnowman@reddit
I built my PC at 17, spent weeks picking out parts and triple checking to make sure they were compatible before I bought them. Can't imagine not doing the research and having thrown a fit, wow.
Cloudraa@reddit
yeah, especially with how user friendly gaming pcs are to build these days
you can literally go watch a 45 minute LTT video and know how to put together the basics with no former experience, i know because i did it when I was 16 lol
pockypimp@reddit
Heck you have the internet to look up everything now. Try doing this in the late 90's/early 2000's when the internet was in it's infancy so it was harder to get stuff like that. On the upside the volume of stuff out there was far less so it was easier to pick your parts.
Setting up Windows was a whole other issue until Win2K. IRQ conflict? What's that?
Golden_Apple_23@reddit
yeah, back in the day there weren't sites like PC Part Picker that would narrow your options based on previous choices... you picked a mid-sized motherboard, here are cases that it will fit in... it was an Intel mobo? Here are Intel CPUs that'll fit it... and here's the memory it takes...
Built my own PC twice... once by rawdogging it with all the research to make sure things fit and the second time by Part Picker... with links to applicable sites to purchase things, it was so easy.
pockypimp@reddit
Here in Los Angeles there would be monthly "computer shows", basically the small mom and pop shops would have tables selling prebuilts and parts.
My first computer was a bunch of leftover parts from my dad to build a Cyrix 686 (old competitor to Intel). Then I built a Pentium 2 machine from one of the vendors at the computer show. I bought a pre-built that they were late in building so they handed me the boxes of parts and the case.
helldozer1@reddit
i just build my first pc today at 40 years old, yes it is easy once you have done your online research and also watching videos like LTT and some others
Osric250@reddit
Or just use pcpartpicker and it will let you know if the pieces are compatible. Completely free service that is amazing for those that don't know how to check compatibility.
BipedSnowman@reddit
You say or like I didn't use that as well. But it's not perfect so I confirmed with other people :)
Uncommented-Code@reddit
Amazing for us who know to check compability too.
Like I know what I need to go for when ordering, but I still like to throw everything that is gonna go together into a build list just in case I miss anything.
Only takes a couple minutes and could save me a lot of headaches in case I experience a brainfart any particular day.
brknsoul@reddit
Thank goodness the 16 year old didn't try jamming the CPU into the socket!
I had a friend that f-d up his new monitor (back in the CRT days) because he jammed the VGA plug into a random socket in the back, bending all the pins.
Existential_Racoon@reddit
I've broken a nic shoving a USB into it.
I build servers and PCs for work.
Oops.
GreyWoolfe1@reddit
I've done that many times reaching blind behind the equipment (not a computer) I am working on. Thankfully, have YET to break a NIC. I'm glad I am not the only one!!
Cloudraa@reddit
if only usbs werent exactly the same width as rj45 😭
AnkhMorporkDragon@reddit
I will admit to having accidentally plugged usbcs into USB a slots
zeus204013@reddit
That's the problem of some type of connectors and his shape/dimensions.
zeus204013@reddit
Oops, wrong hole! 😉
randypriest@reddit
VGA into serial I bet.
random_boy_123@reddit
The classic.
K1yco@reddit
Guess the customer expected you to RAM it in there.
GiveMeYuna@reddit (OP)
That pun is SO-DIMM.
joe_attaboy@reddit
Patience, good sales skills and...most importantly...showing the customer the differences in the components. My wife is a retired teacher and always told me that many people are visual learners - you often cannot convince them of something unless you can physically show them.
I hope he made the sale.
GiveMeYuna@reddit (OP)
He did make the sale.
deathclawslayer21@reddit
Honestly without PC part picker I would probably do the same thing
GiveMeYuna@reddit (OP)
Back in those days I would get the specs for prebuilds from Dell, HP etc and then get the parts myself with a little modification. Always ended up with a more powerful machine for the same price.
Harry_Smutter@reddit
That site is fantastic!! I love it as it really helps you get the best bang for your buck. It takes the guesswork out of A LOT of the build process.
CheesusChrist21@reddit
And that’s exactly how he should have handled it. I run a shop like this with my dad and while it can really wear on your patience you just have to remember that the average person that comes in knows jack and shit about computers and it’s your job to kindly help them with their problems. Customer service is the name of the game.
earthman34@reddit
Some people have a special kind of obstinate stupidity that defies classification.
trismagestus@reddit
Now, try being a draughtsman.
We can't just show them the pieces won't worm together for watertightness, as leaks happen over years.
earthman34@reddit
I think the mistake is giving people options they don't understand. System integrators should know better. This is why you don't waste time arguing with some idiot about why an i9 won't fit an AM5 socket. You say, we have this board and this CPU, they work together. End of discussion.
JoeDonFan@reddit
I’ve used the diesel vs. ICE engine comparison several times. People seem to get it then.
Unity1232@reddit
This is why pc part picker websites are a fucking god send because even for the computer literate picking pc parts was a nightmare before those websites existed.
rileyg98@reddit
To be entirely fair, in the 90s AMD CPUs could fit into Intel boards.
meitemark@reddit
Oh, they still fit. With be right amount of force anything will fit. My brother managed DDR2 in DDR1 slots by force of thumbs. Some sparks later and he lost his permission "doing anything hardware inside computers" for life.
In his case, both ram and motherboards worked afterwards when put in correct slots. When it comes to cpu's, not very likely that it will work.
bstrauss3@reddit
Esp. if you use flush cutters to trim off the "extra" pins.
Madness_Reigns@reddit
Good ol knowing just enough to be dangerous.
SupernovaGamezYT@reddit
Now this is what I like- a person comes in, wants a thing, BUT ACTUALLY ACCEPTS THE ADVICE
aard_fi@reddit
To be fair, "early 2000s" was the period where we still had computers from the late 90s running that would take both intel and AMD CPUs - socket 7 was the last socket shared by AMD and intel, and AMD extended its life a bit with super socket 7, which generally was backwards compatible (you'd just not get full performance if you'd put a super socket 7 cpu in an older socket 7 board).
dustojnikhummer@reddit
775 started with P4s in 2004, technically "early 2000s"
aard_fi@reddit
Socket 775 is completely unrelated to socket 7. Between socket 7 and its later variants and stuff like socket 775 we had the excursion to slot CPUs from pretty much everybody, even outside the x86 world.
dustojnikhummer@reddit
And I'm saying that with 775 Intel went LGA, which at first sight would be incompatible with AMD. 478 used PGA. Sure, Athlons of that time wouldn't fit but they were both PGA, so people could assume it would fit.
Dark54g@reddit
Great tale - great boss. Thanks for sharing
TekRantGaming@reddit
Boss handled that very well
flomeista@reddit
cool boss
SpacecraftX@reddit
That’s a really positive story. Found a really good way to explain to the customer what the problem was with visual aids and analogy.
And then a good sales mindset asking the customer what they were trying to achieve and figuring out a way to do that properly with them.
And the customer was patient long enough to hit of a mutually understood way to communicate about it, and receptive to the advice.
certainAnonymous@reddit
Your boss is great with customers, and that customer took the bad news really well
Billy_Borker@reddit
Designed, if that's the word a new PC with high performance needed for photo editing. I picked the CPU. GPU, amount of RAM, 2 X SSD drives plus a spinner. Left the MB and the SSD and ram specs to the tech guys to sort after they knew my needs, good job by all, easy as and everything works as one.
HeadacheCentral@reddit
"I'll come into a professional to ask for help then argue with them about this I don't understand anyway."
Sounds like half my IT career.