Never listen to the people who say Dallas is bad for outdoor activities. Itās comical. What they really mean is āI donāt like hot weatherā. And to say camping is hard in Texas is just saying āI donāt really know how to campā lol.
I was born and raised in texas for 20 years. It wasn't till finally moved out of texas to two different states that I realized how miserable the weather is in Texas and how poorly the state is at handling it.
It is hard to camp in Texas though....unless you reserve weekends half a year in advance of busy times. It's not necessarily because of the weather, though this Spring has been especially rainy and stormy.
Very few dispersed camping opportunities. Many states you can play it by ear (and weather) and go out and reliably find a spot that isn't overcrowded.
That said it isn't the worst place for outdoors by any measure, but I wouldn't put DFW in my top ten for sure.
Ok for this Saturday 5/4 (temps should be in the 70s) I can get you a campsite reserved at:
-Cedar Hill State Park (20 mins)
-Lake Tawakoni State Park (~45 mins)
-Lake Mineral Wells State Park (~1.5 hr)
Those were the first three I checked, all with plenty of campsite options and availability. Probably another 10ish parks within the same distance that have availability.
So whatās the problem again?
Came here to say this. Iāve visited these places plenty of times and during COVID and a little bit after it was hard to find availability, but itās been really smooth since. Saying there arenāt places to camp in Texas just does not make sense.
Its like those people that claim 1000 excuses for not being able to lose weight. Gym memberships too high, gyms too crowded, i cant find the right vitamins, its raining, its cold etc etc
People camp at any time in the PNW. If we waited for it to not have any chance of rain we would never go xD
Then again we don't get the thunderstorms mixed in like in DFW. I don't think I would care to be in a tent during that or hail.
Right? While here if there is rain is is a dang downpour. The few times it isn't like a waterfall I think people get more confused, we had a lawn mower for a while and his team who wouldn't touch the grass if at all damp. I was like...what? Idk if it was lazy or true not knowing. But we used to mow our yard while it rained back home lol
They were full until heavy rain and thunderstorms was in the forecast, which has been doing for the past month.
I've camped plenty of times in the rain and storms, and it's something I know I *can* do, but I'd rather not.
Caddo Lake, Colorado Bend, and Broken Bow are only about three hours away. Dinosaur Valley is about an hour and a half. You can also do Cedar Hill State Park if you want to stay local, especially if you like off-road bicycling.
Those are all consistently booked out well in advance except for the coldest and hottest seasons.
I'm not saying it's impossible to camp, just a lot harder than many other states. Those parks are also tiny compared to most state parks in the country, and most Western states have large swaths of public land where dispersed camping is permitted. Texas land-use policy is dictated by the rancher mafia and energy industry.
I literally walked right into Enchanted Rock last Friday without a reservation. This coming weekend, there are still plenty of spots open for Caddo Lake, Dinosaur Valley, and Palo Duro Canyon. During the pandemic it was hard to get a spot, but youāre not seeing campsites sell out weeks in advance these days.
> I literally walked right into Enchanted Rock last Friday without a reservation
This has been one of my favorite camping and hiking destinations so far. And on the way back home I was able to hit up some of the cool Hill Country towns.
I've got that one on my list too. I normally try to leave Friday after work and make the drive out, then I've got all day Saturday and at least half a day Sunday.
Yeah, Hill Country is pretty rad. You should also checkout Palo Duro and Caddo Lake. Caprock is cool too, if you want to see wild bison and like gravel biking.
This! š I've camped during the snowmageddon in my trailer. Trust me, if you want to go camping, you'll find a way. And I rarely if ever stay at state parks.
Hard disagree. Every once in a while I see a Dallasite try to die on this hill. Do you have some outdoor activities? Sure. Are there options on par with other cities? Absolutely not. Are they conveniently located? Also no.
Bring on those down votes.
Silly fight. Several west coast cities have ocean, forest, and mountains within an hours drive. All three features not just one. Hell, even sprawled out Atlanta and Phoenix have some nice forests and mountain hikes, respectively. But no, weāre gonna die on the Turner Falls and Lake Ray Hubbard hills.
Phoenix has one of the best outdoors scenes in the us I would bet. Also free camping all through Arizona unlike Texas which you have to pay to go camp anywhere cause all the land in this state is private almost
Itās fine. I still stay here because itās enough to keep me satiated plus Colorado is a quick flight away. I just push back hard when someone tries to put Dallas anywhere near the upper nature tier.
Yes but rarely as it's a 45 minute drive. Though I suspect your question was sarcastic. Believe it or not, I would love more suggestions for outdoor activities aside from the three I currently know.
I was just being salty lol. They built it when the city was expanded something like 100+ years ago when most cities were still planning their parks. The wealthy people in Dallas needed a water source to increase industry and create electricity, and the lake it created was also ideal for recreation. Old white rock pics are crazy. Also Cedar Hill state park is one of my favorite places for hiking and camping for sure. Beautiful woods and prarie
What a stupid argument lol. If you move to Dallas and want mountains, beaches, and oceans then youāre just an idiot. Donāt know what to tell you.
Iām talking about places like Chicago and NYC. What are these people doing _in the city_ that are such great outdoor activities?
Dallas is one of the worst major cities in the country as far as outdoor rec goes, not sure what to tell you. It has its strengths, the outdoors is not one of them.
Yeah this thread has made me realize itās not great for lazy people, people who complain, people who donāt like the heat, people who need convenience, etc. Basically your average American.
My only point is if you put in the effort, thereās so much to enjoy about Dallas and greater DFWs outdoor scene. But true, for your average person itās not great. Too bad for them.
I don't know why you're getting pissy. Literally anything Dallas has for the great outdoors most majors cities have as well as their geography (mountains, beaches, etc.). Even the trails here are more of a nice long walk through nature rather than a hike through unpaved trails. *Texas* itself is decent. Dallas is awful for the great outdoors.
I do outdoorsy stuff all the time without driving. I live in Denton and am currently on the A-train with my bike headed to Lewisville to meet a friend for coffee. I will take the rail trail back up north after coffee so Iāve got the wind to my back.
I agree that itās not as easy or popular as hopping on my bike and heading to Barton springs when I lived in Austin. But it is there if you look and are willing to be creative and a bit scrappy at times.
Huge cycling community. Iād start there.
I also literally connect DFW people to camping for a living haha. I work for Texas state parks. True campsites fill up in the immediate area but thereās more camping than youād think in the metroplex outside of Texas state parks
I can speak for NYC since l live there quite a while.
NYC has beaches within city limits. And there are a ton of hiking options < 2hrs away at the Catskills or Pocono mountains.
People don't move to Texas for natural beauty, but surely miss it once they settle here.
NYC and Chicago aren't really outdoorsy cities and I think most people move there for the city itself and not outdoorsy stuff. But if you are into cycling or jogging, Chicago is great because there's the 18mi Lakefront trail that passes alongside Lake Michigan. If you are going towards downtown, it's an interesting view because in front of you is a crazy big skyline and on the other side is a huge body of water that looks like an ocean.
We have some good trails around DFW like Trinity River but the scenery just isn't as good.
I'll preface and say others warned me when I moved here what I'd be missing. I weighed the options. These activities were within a 30 or 45 min drive. More options were available within a 1 to 3 hr drive.
- Kayaking (in a river, not a lake).
- Multiple hiking options similar to Cedar preserve.
- Rock climbing.
- Swimming in natural springs and rivers.
What I've gained moving to DFW:
- Better airports.
- Better job opportunities.
- Diverse food options (not necessarily better food though).
I think Iām just not on the same page as a lot of you. What Iām most confused by is people listing activities that are _obviously_ not available in Dallas. I never said any of those were available, only that there are plenty of fun outdoor activities available in Dallas if you try.
Just so weird to me people are complaining about no rivers, oceans, mountains, etc. Likeā¦ obviously? What yāall mean is thereās not outdoor activities that _you_ want to do/like.
> Better airports
I think it's funny when people mention "an airport so I can leave DFW" as a positive. But on a serious note, I can't stand O'Hare and tried to avoid that airport like the plague. They do have much better international flight options though.
I live in Dallas now but used to live in El Paso. What I miss the most is the mountains. There were so many cool hikes that would lead you to cool little geo locations. For example, thereās a hike in El Paso that leads you to an old tin mine. We also had Ruidoso about an hour or two away that had a very similar vibe to Colorado. Thereās absolutely none of that here in Dallas.
I moved from Dallas to the southeast. I found plenty of outdoor activities to do in Dallas, but there are exponentially more in the area where I live now
I grew up in Dallas and feel the same way. We had some options but man, when compared to what I've experienced in the other cities I've lived, going back to them is just a big disappointment, lol. They were fine because that's what I had and all I'd really gotten to rely on at the time.
Exactly. You will need to acclimate to the heat and there may be some drive time involved but I hike here, kayak here and have a gravel bike. Iām outside all the time when Iām not at work.
Especially someone from Chicago. Dallas has a higher tree canopy % and offers better hiking opportunities than Chicago. This is exclusive to SW Dallas tbf.
Aside from Lake Michigan, Chicago also has a rather lackluster outdoor scene.
I used to live in Chicago. This isn't true at all. There are state parks within an hour drive. I proposed to my wife at Starved Rock. And while the beaches may be man made, they're still quite nice and much better than our few lake beaches, which are also man made. But the real win for Chicago is the city itself. There's always so much to do and it's all fairly easy to get to via public transportation. Dallas is fine for me and my family at this point in our lives, but man I miss being in my 30s and single living in Chicago.
I absolutely agree that Chicago is a much more interesting city than Dallas - like no comparison (architecture, cultural institutions, history, etc).
OPās assertion that Dallas is one of the worst cities for outdoor activities while being from Chicago is pretty wild though. In Dallas, I can stroll through the largest urban forest in the country and hike hilly terrain without leaving the city limits. In Chicago, not quite. Nature isnāt a redeeming quality for either city though.
Also itās commonly known that all but one lake in TX is man-made.
That's actually false. There are several lakes in TX that are not man made - but the vast majority are man made. They include Laguna Astascosa and Green Lake, in addition to Caddoe Lake, which is commonly referred to as the only natural lake in TX. There are others too, that are smaller.
And criticizing for the lack of natural lakes is silly. The vast majority of lakes in the south are man made. Until I moved to Texas I never heard anyone complain about that.
> OPās assertion that Dallas is one of the worst cities for outdoor activities
I think what they mean by that is North Texas in general is pretty bad for variety/intensity in outdoor activity compared to the Midwest, not what you can do within the confines of city limits lmao. The drives are longer to get to where you want to go.
Is the Midwest the PNW now? Lmao. Itās overwhelmingly flat. On the whole, thereās no big difference between North Texas and the Midwest.
Even just west of DFW, youāre finding elevation and hills in the Palo Pinto Country that you canāt find in the majority of the Midwest.
No, not in near the same capacity. I've lived all over the US and Dallas SUCKS for outdoor activities. I just moved back from south dakota and Iowa before that and Minnesota and I can tell you it Dallas has sh*t "canyons and rivers". Absolute shit.
You got it champ, the Midwest has beautiful nature and isnāt predominantly corn fields with a few sporadically placed gems *subtly types a faded ā/sā*
How many times are we going to move the goal post here, gentleman? Dallas vs Chicago, North Texas vs the 12 states that make of the **Mid**west, North Texas vs Great Lakes Region - give it a rest already.
Both regions are underwhelming and no moves to either area for nature or beauty.
You mentioned the Midwest not me. But thereās a difference between the Great Plains region and the Great Lakes region.
But even if we just kept it at their respective metros, Chicago does have Lake Michigan which trumps anything DFW is offering on an recreational level. Then thereās Indiana Dunes and even the man made beaches in Chicago and surprisingly Gary, Ind.
But hey Dallas has the largest urban forest and a couple of mid-tier lakes.
>You mentioned the Midwest not me
Yeah maybe b/c I was summarizing replies before you randomly hopped in to throw another angle? Idk, W Chicago you guys win, damn lol
Caddo, but if weāre
Being honest itās a LA lake that we proudly show to other states to impress how cool we are ā¦
(Caddo lake is definitely cool, fwiw)
I, too, miss my 30s. Iāve looked at every locale (and a disproportionate amount Of time scouring old maps in the southern parts of Florida to no avail)
Unfortunately, it appears the demand for my 30s
Dried up when we all were stuck inside
During the pandemic.
Trust that Iāve tried to use my early 40s within similar confines, but i donāt think folks are buying it when I jump onto the dance floor at itāll doā¦
Certainly not those kiddos
That help Me back up after ā¦ oh god please pause please!
My parents live in SC the first time they came to visit me out here, the first thing they noticed was the lack of trees. But it's not that Dallas doesn't have trees, it's that we don't have tall trees. And the lack of tall trees does make a city look different and tall trees provide lots of shade whereas short ones don't.
Average neighborhood in [Columbia, SC](https://maps.app.goo.gl/curNexDRLa83TPDf7) compared to [Dallas](https://maps.app.goo.gl/P7Bv31gu5BYTMHXYA) compared to [Chicago](https://maps.app.goo.gl/GMEAGfZH1KTnHFcXA)
I don't think Chicago or Dallas are great outdoor cities. I never did hiking in Chicago because there really isn't anything worthwhile unless you want to drive 1.5hr to Starved Rock. And hiking in Dallas is lame also. Lake Michigan beaches are manmade but at least the lake is real. None of the lakes around Dallas are even real lakes.
That a terrible example. Davis St is a commercial corridor. Why would it have dense tree coverage? The others are residential streets. [This is a more appropriate view of the same area.](https://maps.app.goo.gl/2mkvtQsmHs9KdcxWA?g_st=ic)
Fair enough, but there are apartments right there so it's at least partly residential.
[This](https://maps.app.goo.gl/JiMKBhGv8vyYjuRv5) is what the area around where I live looks like.
I honestly don't know how people can live in some of the newer suburbs. Like what happened to the trees [here](https://maps.app.goo.gl/35PqMGpgypDzcod86)? Were they destroyed to build the neighborhood or did they never exist in the first place?
It depends on where you live and if those property owners want trees in their yard. This is [Oak Cliff as well](https://www.google.com/maps/@32.6636419,-96.8541005,3a,75y,71.59h,98.77t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sHascXqRDOKe7BDYoaCxcRg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu).
>Average neighborhood in [Columbia, SC](https://maps.app.goo.gl/curNexDRLa83TPDf7) compared to [Dallas](https://maps.app.goo.gl/P7Bv31gu5BYTMHXYA) compared to [Chicago](https://maps.app.goo.gl/GMEAGfZH1KTnHFcXA)
Now wait just a minute here, your examples for Columbia and Chicago are two (really one lane for Chicago) lane narrow residential streets while your Dallas example is a six lane major thoroughfare? How is that a fair depiction?
[Here is one](https://www.google.com/maps/@32.748376,-96.8477622,3a,75y,178.87h,85.1t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7Js-EOK7HbI3ysf0nygxlg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu) for Dallas less than 200 feet from the position you chose. While I agree about the tall trees comment (That's a climate and tree habitat restriction) the Dallas choice here is noticeably more green than the Columbia or Chicago neighborhoods.
The Great Trinity Forest is *the* largest urban forest in the U.S. my friend.
Tbf, it is underutilized but has lots of potential, an Audubon, and several trails. In the early 80s, state legislature approved nearly a 1,000 acres of it to become a State Park but that plan never came to fruition.
I have never been but the [three photos](https://maps.app.goo.gl/A6xZMqzxTZydzcG9A) on Google Maps really aren't selling the place for me. Is it just a forest and doesn't have any trails?
Did you purposefully try and find the wrong Google Maps pin for the forest?
[https://maps.app.goo.gl/MdrJkYptR8mb1TeD8](https://maps.app.goo.gl/MdrJkYptR8mb1TeD8)
Did you even try Googling Great Trinity Forrest trails? Because the first result is the trail map.
Thatās what I thought too, but I googled it to be sure bc my memory is HORRIBLE and there was a site that mentioned the George Bush park in Houston as being the largest Urban Forest in the Nationā¦. but I think it was wrong lol and now Iām wrong
I think people who come from up North simply cannot wrap their heads around the fact that the ideal season for camping is inverted here. If I spent my formative years locked indoors for all of winter it would probably be difficult to adjust to as well.
Yes, it's just a weird concept to me. You know how in the US, Christmas is always a cold month? Wouldn't it be weird to be in Australia during Christmas and it's hot AF?
No not really, because I didnāt grow up in a cold climate. Iāve spent a lot of time in Chicago and I think itās weird how cold it can get in āwarmā months. Weird is relative.
It's true. When I went to Japan and saw that breakfast is rice and miso soup, I found that weird because to me, those are lunch or dinner foods. Same thing I suppose.
This. Needing a hoodie on an August morning is weird as hell to me. My Chicago relatives canāt understand why itās so damn hot here in May. Itās all relative!
Last time I left there it was snowing the day we did and I think that was the week after St Pats day, the water was green when we were there. Came back to warm weather for sure. Couldn't comprehend geese in the walmart parking lot there.
Iām literally sitting at Ray Robertās right now. Thereās not a single person around and Iām about to set up my BBQ.
Currently Iām fascinated by these weird fish called alligator gar that are spawning right now. Which apparently happens when the lake floods and spills over into the surrounding shrubs and grass around the banks. The other day I just wandering around in knee deep water and I discovered that I was pretty much surrounded by these weird looking fish, just doing fish stuff.
The cool thing about going outdoors here is that thereās actually four different seasons, so that you can go to the same place four times and itās completely different.
Gar are some of the oldest freshwater fish we know of .. they are fascinating, a true find!
All things being equal,RIGHT NOW is the time
To actively condition yourself for the temperatures to
Come. Start by taking it from shade, read a book for as long as you can be comfortable.. and afterwards wash rinse and repeat as soon as time allows. Itās
Honestly incredibly empowering to be able
To do so when Monday comes around and folks at the water cooler all sing the same ātoo hot to exist outside.ā
I agree, gars are pretty cool. They take up to like 5 years to be sexually mature, so the small ones, 2-3 feet are too young and havenāt had their chance at life, so donāt bother trying to catch them. Their scales are also so hard that youāll dull a cleaver before youāll get through to the small amount of meat inside anyways.
Also, get those dogs outside. Iām no scientist but our dogs need to acclimate as well. My girls been shedding like crazy since Iāve been bringing her out.
As a Texan who has spent Christmas in Australia, I felt quite at home, lol. It was actually really fun being able to throw our bikinis on and head to the beach. Even Santa was there!!
I grew up in the Galveston area (waaay worse heat wise than DFW) and while thereās a reprieve from our typical hot, muggy summers in December. You can STILL step outside and break out into a sweat during those ācoldā months. I definitely think we just become accustomed to what we know.
I did enjoy getting to have ārealā Christmas weather when I lived in CT for a few years. The snow was a huge adjustment to me but I canāt deny it was gorgeous and really special getting to have a true white Christmas, in CT no less! Definitely pros and cons to both I think.
Okay!!! I camped my ass off here my hell whole life. Clearly she hasnāt been to the trail near Joe Pool, drove out to Whitney, or down to Rochelleās Canoe Rental or *literally* a THOUSAND other places.
I wouldnāt say that itās ābadā for outdoor activities, but the heat makes doing outdoor activities more difficult. Iāve lived in Houston, Lubbock, Dallas, and now Fort Worth. You come off sound like a huge jerk with this pretentious attitude. People from the north are not used to 30+ days of 100Ā°F weather, it takes getting used to. My spouse is also from Chicago and has made similar points. Many other cities have WAY more outdoor activities than DFW.
Exactly this. Im not into camping but its not like our weather is hot/cold 365 days a year. February had some springlike days. Most of March and half of April seem ok. Towards end of August, evenings become breezy again. September, October and some of November seems good. Out of all that time; how much is one person going to camp out?Ā
Dallas and Texas in general is terrible for outdoor activities compared to tons of other major metro areas. Never listen to anyone who says otherwise as they clearly haven't lived anywhere else.
But it objectively is? Like we have the fewest parks, state parks and national parks per square mile of any state in the US. Like I love Big Bend but it takes 9 hours to drive there.
Then maybe that's what you should've said if its what you meant. Although considering that eliminates almost half the states in the country its stupid comparison anyway.
Thatās a very misleading chart. It would be more appropriate to show public lands. (I.e., national parks, forest service, BLM, and fish and wildlife lands.) That would give you a better idea of outdoor opportunities. Texas has a few crowded, mostly mediocre state parks, some national forest land in the east and then big bend national park. The only thing really worth checking out, imo, is big bend, and that is absolutely in the middle of nowhere.
Can you name any particular outdoor activity that DFW is not below average in offering?
I can't really think of any, unless maybe its something niche like golf.
Bullcrap. Texas has a easily one of the worst states for recreating due to the massive lack of public land. I grew up in Michigan. Tons and tons of state parks, national forests and massively long biking trails. More than a quarter of Michigan is land for the public to recreate on. Then I moved to Utah. Whoa! Today nearly THREE QUARTERS of Utah is public land including massive and beautiful national parks. It was awesome and Utah is HOT.
Then we moved to Texas. Texas has ā¦. wait for it ā¦. LESS THAN 2% public lands (cue trombone sound).
I like Texas Ok. Iāve lived here 3 times. But for recreating? It totally blows chunks.
Iād love to ride my mountain bike 150 miles on an endless trail like the one that went right past my house in Michigan. Iād love to camp nearly anywhere I damn well please (in the south half of the state anyway) like in Utah. Canāt be done in Texas. Itās almost entirely private land.
People move out here and then I guess never look at a map again? More forests, canyons, hills, mountains, lakes, and oceans for me. Yāall can stay home. Iāll be camping at all the badass places within a few hours drive from here.
For real - Dallas has the largest urban lake with white rock (I don't know how they get to that with Lake Michigan existing, but I read it so I'm writing it.) and the largest urban forest with the trinity forest. There are a ton of great mountain bike trails, and palo duro is close as is Dino valley, Cedar Hill State Park, Garner State Park, Tyler State Park, Hill Country, Hamilton Pool, I could go on. Sure, it's different than CO, CA, the PNW, but it's still cool in its way.
Key words here are ācompared to other citiesā and the only way to adequately compare outdoor activities is to live thereā¦ It always seems to be the Dallas lifers (Iām born and raised here and lived here for 29 years before moving away, have since moved back) who argue that Dallas is such an outdoor haven. The heat sucks and thatās a big part of the year, spring is unpredictable, winter will probably be cold, maybe too cold, maybe not. You donāt know and thatās hard to plan around. The argument that Dallas is difficult to be an outdoorsy person in is a valid argument.
No water activities is a joke too. Ā I spend most of summer in/on/or around water. Ā
Theyāre just admitting they donāt know how to drive a boat. Ā lolĀ
Or put in any effort to do anything lol. People ITT think a Dallas city rep should knock on their door everything Thursday night to give them a list of weekend outdoor activities.
Not sure where youāve lived before, but no elevation for hiking and man made snake lakes are not conducive to outdoor activities. Itās really not great for that here.
I grew up in the Chicago metroplex and came to Dallas for a job in 2006. For almost ten years now I have been wanting to go back to Illinois. This state is being run into the ground. I'm not sure why any woman of childbearing age would want to be here, or who would want to raise kids here considering the leadership.
lol. Chicago is being run into the groundā¦literally. Have you seen their financials? They have an F for financial health. Itās literally one of the worst run cities. I donāt live in either Dallas nor Chicago but to say what youāve said it quite ignorant. Chicago and Illinois are in trouble.
Thereās great camping by lakes and creeks in Oklahoma between Ardmore and Sulfur, two hours or less from most parts of Dallas. We left Dallas 12 years ago when the northern expansion really ramped up. The international communities are the true treasure of the city, imho. Make friends from somewhere else and let them show you their Dallas.
Itās hard to speak on this with native Texans because they are ride or die Texas. But as someone who was raised in New York and lived in Dallas for 5 years, I agree with everything you said.
It can be funny how pros for some people can be cons for others
I love that all the jobs in DFW aren't concentrated to downtown. It allows me to have a house in Plano with a 15 minute commute.
The suburbs are definitely more family oriented than Dallas proper which works for me. But I honestly can't relate to you saying there isn't much stuff to do in Dallas. I used to live in Uptown and thought it was so much fun. Your example of saying you could go to another neighborhood to do shopping as something to do makes it sound like you're not even trying to find stuff to do in Dallas. You live in Bishop Arts and can't find something as exciting as shopping?
This was my same thoughtā¦ I live in Denton, so pretty far north, but thereās so much to do in the metroplex that sometimes Iām overwhelmed by my options.
The real reason people aren't nice driving here is truly because about 5 years ago it was a 35 min drive from Allen too Deep Ellum, now it's easily over a hour. Not to mention no one actually gets up to speed on how we drive here so in reality it's just a free for all. Remember, just cause they have a Texas license plate doesn't mean they represent our driving, definitely Californians šš
This is a spot on analysis. I have family in Chicago and am considering doing the opposite move. Dallas is hot, ugly, and boring, but less expensive. You can be active in the cold but when itās 100+ degrees with humidity you really canāt do anything outdoors anyway. Chicago/Illinois politics terrify me as does the higher cost of living and higher crime rate. Glad
Dallas is working for you.
But since Dallas is a car-centric city, crime is different. Less personal crime because weāre not walking everywhere. Probably lots more property crime for the same reason.
Buying a home in Chicago is definitely more expensive but my rent in Chicago was lower than it is here. When I moved from Chicago to Arlington, my rent went up about $150/mo. I did have some nicer amenities like dishwasher and in unit washer/dryer hookups so I was okay with the price increase.
I grew up in SC and our neighborhood pool was the same deal. But that they did was drop a gigantic block of ice in the deep end and it was enough to change the temperature a few degrees.
GF and I did the Dallas->Chicago move a little under 5 years ago. Hardest part of it is the distance from long-time friends and family, but Chicago has more of what we (personally) wanted in every other metric.
Plus side is, after some time away, we do really appreciate Dallas every time we visit, but we're always pretty ready to get back to Chicago by the end of our stay.
A couple of suggestions for weekend excursions: ACL Festival in Austin, typically in late summer. It's expanded to two weekends - possibly three. The piney woods of East Texas is great for camping, fishing and the like. Since Texas occupies such a large area, it can be a long drive to certain destinations. Southwest Airlines is an option to reduce travel times. We enjoy visiting Big Bend, The McDonald Observatory, Balmorhea State Park/San Solomon Springs, floating the San Marcos River. The NPS at South Padre Island periodically offers public viewing of the release of Kemp's Ridley Sea Turtle Hatchlings which is quite extraordinary. Keep in mind that South Padre Island is a deceptively long island. We booked a hotel on the South part of the island and the release was on the North side, a mere three hour drive. We arrived at the hotel at 0100 and the release was at 0645. We hadn't planned on that! It was still an amazing experience.
Our average temperature for the month of February was 57 degrees. If thatās too cold for you to go outside I wonder how you ever survived in Chicago.
No water activities? So the half dozen lakes around Dallas simply donāt count?
No mountains in Dallas? I mustāve missed the huge mountains immediately outside Chicago. Because from my experience you spend about 3 hours driving through flat nothing before that city pops out of nowhere. The mountains in Arkansas and itās National park are closer to Dallas than anything comparable is to Chicago.
Honestly it sounds like youāre still trying to treat July/August like one would in Chicago: a time to go outside while itās bearable. When you should be treating fall winter and spring like that.
Don't understand your third point; there are indeed no mountains in Dallas. Just because there are also no mountains in Chicago doesn't invalidate the point.
Grew up in Nevada, the most mountainous state in America, and I definitely miss the mountains; both just looking at them and being able to hike up them. Maybe I'm spoiled because I also lived in Washington and Hawai'i, so I've always lived in places with a lot of outdoor activity opportunity, but yeah DFW is not at all a good place if you're outdoorsy. Even the type of hunting and camping done here is not the same.
Winter weather here can be flaky and it's hard to plan outdoor activities around it. For an example, I had camping reservations booked for Feb 17 weekend at Dinosaur Valley but temperatures were expected to drop to below freezing which is too cold to camp enjoyably. At least in more northern states you can expect 60-85 degree temperatures every day July and August. And because it's summer there is more sunlight.
The lakes around here are all manmade and don't have the same feel as a natural lake. In the case of the great lakes, those feel more like oceans.
It can randomly be too hot to camp comfortably in Summer in the North in my experience. Also I think itās much easier to make yourself warmer when itās cold while camping than cooler.
Every other weekend in February it was perfect and even the weekend youāre talking about that was terrible had a high of 53.
I had one weekend in Door County, Wisconsin where it was in the 90s. I was miserable. But thankfully it does cool down quite a bit at night which it doesn't do around here.
Again youāre comparing Summer to Summer instead of Summer to Winter. I could say the same about it not being much warmer in the day in Chicago during the winter.
Honestly Iāve tried to be sympathetic to your complaints as someone who spent several years in the opposite climate than here, but it just seems like you have no desire to adapt and just want someone to agree with your preference for Chicago.
I have gone camping in Texas in the winter months but the sun setting at 5:30pm instead of 8:30pm is a bummer. And summer is when kids are out of school so having to camp during winter severely limits when you can go camping with them. This means weekends only which is when everyone else is going.
And the weather is always a gamble. One week we can have a freeze come through with snow or it can be 85 and sunny. Or it can be pouring rain for days. Summer weather in most states is more predicable.
I thought your takes were very measured and fair. There are people in this sub who will never allow themselves to be satisfied. The whole āno mountainsā thing is so dull at this point. Chicago and NY donāt have mountains sprawling over the city either; you have to drive to them just like here. I drive to the Ouachitas in 3 hours, just like a New Yorker would drive to the Catskills.
Yeah donāt try and defend Texas lakes. Absolute dog water. If we do anything outdoorsy we just take a flight somewhere else because Dallas has many strengths, doing things in nature is not one of them. Great place to grow a career and get started, but outside of drinking/golfing/shopping/concerts the day-day in Dallas is not sustainable if you just want to enjoy being outside. Itās ācheapā to live here, but you have to pay to do anything fun
I moved here from Chicago about 3 years ago and agree with your post. Everyone in Dallas is pretty nice for the most part, but there isn't as much of a community vibe. One big thing I've noticed is that people actually from Chicago will talk shit about Chicago all day, but people from Dallas get offended when you say anything negative about the city lol
> One big thing I've noticed is that people actually from Chicago will talk shit about Chicago all day, but people from Dallas get offended when you say anything negative about the city lol
Yes, I have noticed this as well and it's especially evident on this sub.
Most of my Chicago native colleagues would say things like "this city sucks and when my kids leave for college, we are out of here". But if you dare to say anything negative about Dallas or Texas, people get really upset.
Its because so many people here have their identities wrapped up in where they live here versus who they are, when you say something negative about their place they take it as a personal attack
I grew up in DFW. I moved to Austin 17 years ago and get depressed &/or bored if my visit to DFW lasts longer than a few days.Ā
In Austin, all my friends live within 30 minutes...most less than 10 minutes away. In DFW, my friends all live 45 to 90 minutes away in every direction...which means we don't hang out very often.Ā
For what's it's worth, I talk shit about DFW almost as much as I do Houston. If I didn't live in Austin, I wouldn't live in Texas....and even then it's growing so fast it's losing its original charm and regularly consider leaving for Santa Fe, Salt Lake City or Denver...every August. lol.Ā
Honestly part of my joy when I lived in dallas was how convenient the airport is, from parking to flight prices. You could go to Cancun/playa del Carmen from Thursday evening to Monday morning (in time for meetings all for under $500. Flight anywhere from
$160-250 + stay $100 + food and transport $100.
Honestly; we need posts like this to address the constant stream of āmoving to Dallas from x. What can I expect?ā posts both on the askDFW subreddit and people who try to format the question in a slightly different way to get it by on the Dallas one.
Because we can't design road systems or handle merging in a way that isn't awful. Just like to tack on extra lanes. Literally all of the traffic is caused at merge points.
I mean the rapid population growth is not helping on top of that. Before the boom of the last few years or so I'd say we were already 10-20 years behind in places. But roads cost money and new businesses and houses make money so of course the response is: enjoy the traffic. Heck where I'm out extra lanes would have been better. We didn't even get full ones we got these "not really on the highway but not really on the service road" overpasses.
You have summed it up perfectly. I'm from Chicago, and it is quite a shock in regards to public transportation. Really doesn't exist on the level of Chicago. Thank the 19th century railroad system for that.
Texans are friendly, but there's a lot of fake friendly. I got sick of being asked what church I go to, or whether I had found a church. Sorry, none of your business.
I think it's because Plano and Frisco give corporations big tax discounts for them to open their corporate headquarters in a tacky Office Space looking building.
Thanks for sharing! This is so spot on. I grew up and lived in Dallas for 30 years and just recently moved to Los Angeles for all the reasons you listed.
As somebody who grew up in Dallas and travel to work in Chicago for two years. I agree with this assessment. I would move to Chicago if opportunity rise and food is better there as well.
> food is better there as well
My rankings:
- European food: Chicago
- Fine dining: Chicago
- Dumpy hole in the walls: Chicago
- TexMex: DFW
- Mexican/tacos: Chicago
- Vietnamese: DFW
- Thai: DFW
- Indian: DFW
The one that really surprised me is Mexican food and tacos. I expected Dallas to have better taco spots but it just isn't the case. Most of the taco joints around the Metroplex are fast food chains similar to Taco Bell or fancier gringo tacos like Torchys. All of the authentic taco places people have recommended to me have been just okay. Chicago has a few neighborhoods that feel like you are in a sketchy part of CDMX and the tacos are amazing.
Seafood: Chicago and thatās what I eat the most when Iām in Chicago or European food. You guys also have a Starbucks reserve.
I had the best Mac and cheese at Bavetteās and I donāt even like Mac and cheese. You have au Cheval, you have girl and the goat
I have lived in Dallas for over 40 years and my biggest complaint is there are no day trips out of Dallas. Fort Worth is the best one, but thatās it for me. Iāve gone other directions and when I see a confederate flag I turn right around and go back home.
Thanks for the perspective. Iām thinking about doing the opposite move (Dallas -> Chicago). Chicago is a great city and I go there every Summer, but the winters scare me.
I go to Chicago from Dallas about 6 times a year. I love winter but it wasnāt until this last January when I went and it was miserable- like, below 10 real degrees the whole time. I was okay when I ventured out with a purpose, but there wasnāt any walking around to just be out and about, or hanging around anywhere.
Iāll say this regarding Chicago winters, itās really shitty between Jan- March. March sucks the worst for me because you think youāre close to decent weather, but it teases you.
I would say go for it. I don't regret the move at all. Ended up in the Midwest for college and landed a job in Chicago and lived there for over a decade.
Dallas is great for those who want to settle down but Chicago is great for when you want to go out and have fun.
If you are saying anything resembling āoh the politics in dallas are on par with the politics of chicagoā you are legitimately not someone who should be taken seriously as an adult.
Lemme say this for the transplants who donāt under and what the Metroplex is. Itās two major cities, Fort Worth (and its suburbs) and Dallas (and its suburbs) that have grown into a single metro area. The metro area would still be spread out, if that development was dense.
Honestly might even be called Dallas (and its suburbs- suburbs). I had moved away for about 10 years and came back and never thought Iād see the development (and house prices) I see as far out as Anna and Melissa. That commute has to be rough.
The real problem is all the things people want to drive to. I think we should just replace every destination with a surface parking lot, but we should also add more lanes like you suggest.
Thanks for the review. This is why people shouldnāt move here. As for why the driving isnāt friendly, thatās because transplants have brought entitled greedy behaviors here and that follows in their driving. You can tell where they are from by their driving behaviors. ie, Florida loves to honk at green lights or stop in the middle of the road, and generally be an entitled pain. California loves to follow on your bumper at 80mph and be aggressive, AND pretend to get over on you to get in rather than use a blinker and politely get in when there is space, and also NOT let YOU over, at all, or if they do, they insist on speeding up to get ahead of you first. They also donāt let anyone in when they should zipper merge. Etc.
Texan driving is considerate, zipper merging, letting others in, waving thank you and youāre welcome, getting in where there is space, dropping back to let someone in, using blinkers, waiting at the green light (for anyone accidentally going thru intersection especially since light timing is not always programmed well), and being PATIENT when at the light, or anywhere else. Always waving the other person to go first, and driving the correct speed in the fast lane.
> transplants have brought entitled greedy behaviors here and that follows in their driving
People always say that yet when I travel to other places I don't experience this type of behavior. Chicago drivers are aggressive but follow the rules. LA drivers are similar. Dallas drivers will cross 5 lanes of traffic and never use a single turn signal.
Having lived most of my life (Iām 43) in Texas I donāt think of Austin as far at all. Iāve lived there and started road-tripping it as a senior in HS. Now Big Bend, yes, far. Interesting how other people from other metros see it. Houston, San Antonio, Tulsa, OKC, Hot Springs, Little Sahara, Broken Bow, Turner Falls, New Orleans all pretty close to me. š
So I hear what you're saying about Big Bend, being far af but go anyway. I've been to a lot of cool outdoorsy stuff and Big Bend is top of the list of places I would go back to and would enjoy going back to again and again despite the closest decent size town with grocery store being at least an hour away.
It 1000% worth it. I got my soul crushed on that trip and would still go back. And I am the type to avoid places with bad memories associated.
Take your passport with you, they'll let you go to Mexico for a day if you want. It's 2 separate drives and if you can, drive your own car or a rental with a very generous mileage policy because there's a 2+ hour scenic drive through the state park.
Since you're not a fan of heat, I'd definitely recommend you to during their busy season (October -April, i think). I went at the end of May and caught the desert 3 days after a monsoon, so you might enjoy it even more than I got to.
West Texas here. People from Texas are some of the nicest you'll meet but get em driving a car and they are the literal worst drivers and assholes to boot lol
Lots of outdoor activities. Weāve got lots of lakes, parks, and rivers within driving distance! Adding Palo Pinto State Park this year also. I will admit most of the best parks I visit do charge 5.00 but trail maintenance is great and the crowds are small. I appreciate you sharing your perspective.
If Iām staying close to the metroplex I like Mineral Wells and Ray Robertāsā¦. But my favorite is by far Garner. Honorable mentions go to Big Bend Ranch, Pedernales, and Inks Lake.
Yeah I agree itās a big loss for the metroplexā¦ but the state is adding six new parks.
https://www.axios.com/local/houston/2023/05/11/texas-state-park-additions
With respect, I don't get your take on politics. Yes, at the State level TX runs Republican, and the highest ups are quite loud and well known. But just going about my life here, I never get politics thrown in my face.
For out of town trips, Iāll say that the metroplex is made up of small and medium sized towns, with varying uniqueness and there are lots and lots of small towns further afield and many have quite unique downtowns (although in a samey sort of way).
The difference is that in Chicago you donāt have to research what youāre doing. Everything is in that one place.
As for driving, yes, the people are dangerous and (especially in the north Dallas towns they can be angry and aggressive in their cars). But as you point out, public transit is far from perfect too. And thereās always Uber which even Chicagoanās make a lot of use of.
What makes me angry about Texas transportation is that they spend all the money on useless trains to nowhere and never build one to the major airport.
Sort of, it goes to DFW. But unless youāre leaving from the downtown station, itās a 2 hr trip. By the same token, you need to leave from the North Dallas stations to make taking the train to Love Field at all worthwhile (but not for time).
What I meant to say is that the primary purpose of a train is to keep visitors off the roads. Even NYC doesnāt have its train/airport game figured out. Only Atlanta, GA really does.
In Orlando, Disney World wanted to build a train on its own dime to take you to from the airport to the parks but the taxi lobbies squelched it. So now you have to spend 1.5 hours waiting and riding on their buses.
I love transplants that come here and complain about not having anything fun to do but it is because they donāt know people. I play soccer and basketball outside year round, play disc golf, am in book clubs, go to movies, go to concerts, have done pottery, culinary, and art classes, been to the museums, go to arbor hills nature preserve or go to a patio. Also, you canāt say itās either too hot or too cold and you canāt do outside activities. Thatās just not true, and you are coming from Chicago so the Texas winter should be perfect weather for you. We just had like 2 months of the weather being mostly in the 60s and 70s.
That can be true but definitely not for all. Many do have strong social circles here but can find the overall city/metro lacking. There's a lot to do on paper (as you just mentioned), but they're not very cohesive or concentrated. Outdoor activities are pretty basic and limited. If you lived in a truly urban city or one with accessible nature nearby (e.g. mountains), you will find Dallas lacking no matter how strong your social circle is or how much you do on any given weekend. It is what it is.
Why do people say thereās not that many outdoor activities? Yeah, you canāt snow ski or white water kayak, but thereās a wide variety outside of those activities. DORBA biking, hiking, kayaking, some outdoor bouldering, and a variety of outdoor motor sports are all available just outside the metroplex. You can even day trip up to Wichita Federal Wildlife Refuge across the border, if you make it a long day. It only takes about an hour on google maps to find dozens of high quality options. Ā
If you want a true walking neighborhood, the 15-minute-city concept, then you should look at Uptown. Everything is walkable there, from grocery stores, bars, restaurants, retail and easy to walk downtown or take the free M-Line trolley which circles through Uptown into downtown.
We've been here about two years and barely use our car (other then Costco and Central Market).
Interesting feedback.
I think most of the complaints come down to 2 things.
1. North vs. South. Northern cities are all MUCH MORE COMPACT due to the land available. So there naturally more walkable, and have better transport. Iām from Augusta, GA but spent 10 years of my childhood in Washington, D.C. We barely used the car in D.C. The climate is also much different. Longer and colder winters, milder and more pronounced springs and falls. Short, less hot summer.
2. The sheer size of Texas. I think people forget that Texas is the 2nd largest state by land area. This means that not only are things farther away from each other, but itās a LOT more space to spread out rather than get dense. I drive 4 hours from Dallas not only am I still in Texas, but Iām just at the next major cityā¦ From Augusta, GA 4 hours, Iām in different states, beach, mountains, etc.
Thereās literally nothing you can do about any of that. You either cope with it, or complain. I choose to cope with it.
Overall DFW has offered opportunity that has changed my life, and I love it hereā¦ Every place has its cons.
Dallas is great for outdoor activities, and water, whoah, there are about 9 lakes nearby, get a friend with a boat. Golf, Tennis, fun too, but it's a country club lifestyle, kind of need to grow up here to get used to the heat. But yes , if walking around, biking, and cooler weather are a bonus, not a great fit.
Bless your heart, you rascal/scoundrel, sweetheart, son, care for some iced tea.
Those are all declarations of war. Itās called southern hospitality, itās sound peaceful...
I'm moving from Houston to Chicago sometime soon, after so many visits I can't help myself. I don't want to be limited by this state anymore it's so boring
Yea, the common dilemma in the Summer (which sometimes also extends into the Spring & Fall) is what can we do for fun when it's just too hot AF outside? The only real outdoor option then is a water park or pool...but otherwise you have to stay indoors. And there's just a lot less to do indoors.
We lived in a Chicago suburb for 3 years during my husband's residency but chose to come back to Dallas after. Chicago definitely had better museums and outdoor areas (the forests are beautiful with leaves that actually change color), plus the distinct little neighborhoods with their own feel and character.
But the winter would last so long. Like 8 months long some years. There are definitely more nice weather days in Dallas than Chicago. Sure, Texas summers are brutal, but you can reliably be outside in comfort for a solid 7 or 8 months a year here. I personally found the snow and cold more limiting to my daily activities than the excessive heat. I am genuinely surprised that OP thinks it's hard to be outdoors here.
Could not have written a better post encapsulating my experience with Dallas. (2 years here now) VA native, then lived in Idaho, now Texas. All in all, it was a good career move and weāre by no means miserable here, but I struggle to see what the hype was about.
Yes you explained dallas perfectly in a nutshell without trashing it
All of the reasons you listed is why I decided to move to phoenix
Iām not interested in what dallas has to offer anymore
wow, it's funny that no one ever asked for your opinion yet you spent all this time letting "everyone" know. This world could really use a restart button
I understand and agree with a lot of what you said, even as a native Dallasite/texan, but wanted to expand on your āout of townā section. I believe there is a lot to do around the area. Some are a very short drive and others a little longer but here are some suggestions for you!
-Drive-in theater in Ennis (also good place for bluebonnet peeping in spring)
-Go-karting at Dallas karting complex in caddo mills
-vineyards in Anna/celina
-wine tasting rooms, cute shops and restaurants in old downtown mckinney
-western son distillery in pilot point, can also go up to lake Texoma and do an ATV trail if other lake activities arenāt your thing
-casinos (Choctaw/winstar) in OK
-Korea town in Carrollton
-Waco: Waco surf has lazy river, huge water slides, and wake boarding; magnolia market/table; Dr Pepper museum
-dinosaur state park in glen rose
-Denton (college town vibes)
Other people have mentioned this, but there's plenty of state parks within a few hours drive. Glen Rose is also a good day trip and popular camping area, there's dinosaur prints and fossils, good hiking trails.
People here like to talk shit about Texas beaches, but as a beach lover, I really enjoy them. Galveston is honestly a lot prettier than it used to be, the water is bluer lately and even driving around certain parts of town is nice. South Padre and Corpus Christi also have nice beaches, and plenty of camping opportunities.
I've lived in Miami, San Francisco, Chicago, St. Louis, Paris and London. I've been here a couple of years and really love it here. But I'm not a fan of the outdoors at all. Taking the Cta in the single digits to work or riding in stanky heat of the metro in London is not fun and hate public transportation. Sure, it's better for the environment but I love my space, a controlled temperature and not getting groped. Dallas is a perfect home base and a weekend trip is just 1 flight away if I'm bored.
> Dallas is a perfect home base and a weekend trip is just 1 flight away if I'm bored.
Thank god my partner works for AA and I'm on her flight benefits so I can fly to NYC for a day trip when I'm bored.
i can never leave the chicagoland area. i love it too much.
interesting read though, i have some family who moved to texas and was turned off by the summers. our winters up here arenāt that bad, especially this last year was pretty easy.
What is with the rate of Chicago people who move to Dallas. Long before COVID and all of that for many years Iāve known many Chicago transplants. Plus of course we have a bunch of Chicago food franchises that have been brought here. What is the connection?
The city center/downtown whatever is pretty neat. The south side is the biggest piece of shit Iāve ever seen in my life. An Uber took me and a buddy through that way after a Cubs game one night and I thought we were gonna get shot at
Most Chicagoans who grow up in the city move to the suburbs later in life when they have kids. Then when they retire they want to move somewhere warmer. Usually it's Texas, Arizona, Florida, or the Carolinas.
Its really frustrating buying a house, then being limited on where you apply for work due to commute time, and vice versa. I want to live in fort worth or mid cities, but most of the jobs in my field are in frisco.
I moved here from Chicago in 2017. It was a huge adjustment and I agree with a lot of what you said. Iāll never move back to Chicago. Texas is my home now. I love it here. Thank you Texans for letting me in. lol
I mostly agree except for the outdoors and politics. Chicago isnāt really what Iād call an upgrade in terms of outdoors; however, it is true that summers on Lake Michigan trumps anything here.
Politically, Idaho and Montana are no longer āsmall cā conservative states. Theyāve been infected with the same Christian Fascist bug that plagues TX. No matter where you go in the US or at any govt level (city, school district, state, federal), the GOP is big govt Christian Fascist.
Maybe so but I didn't see any anti-abortion billboards, megachurches, and people with obnoxious religious bumper stickers on their cars in those states.
You do understand that the population of the DFW metro, alone, is more than twice that of Montana and Idaho, combined? You aren't going to see a bunch of billboard, megachurches, or obnoxious people in those states.
Yep everyone who disagrees with your progressive politics is a "fascist". š¤¦ It's like an inverted red scare from the cold war. History repeats itself.
Christian Taliban is actually a better description. "Progressive" is only relative to one's political orientation. If you believe the state/nation should be ruled by biblical law, then just about anything will seem progressive.
So, you think the traffic is bad, but you want all the jobs in the same place?
You want more outdoor activities, but you don't want it to be 106Ā°......
We don't have enough State Parks? There's 89 State Parks in Texas.
OP is looking for the convenience. And the population density. And the transportation that Chicago calls for to get them to a Cubs game in 20 minutes on the red line then down to bars three blocks away then the beach in the same day. I left Chicago 12 years ago and while the adjustment period also made some of the same comparatives, I havenāt looked back.
Dallas, and Texas has a lot for it for all the parks, and within three hours thereās a lot available for nature across the state. If thereās a willingness to get *further* out, South Texas, Big Bend, Corpus, or west, Palo Duro, the Borderlands, thereās a lot here.
Trade offs from IL: taxes, crime, left leaning policies. And OāHare, any winter storm during the holidays? Forget it.
And from the concluding statement, if itās that painful that Texas has the amenities for families, homes, advancing a career, and a lifestyle thatās 180 degrees from where they left. Maybe not the place to be? Could always go back.
To your point, anywhere perfect is going to be expensive and Texas does have positives and drawbacks, this list just points out something a lot of transplants gripe about in terms of the realization of how everything isnāt condensed down into however x many sq miles.
> And OāHare, any winter storm during the holidays? Forget it.
My wife works for AA and DFW has one of the worst reputations in the country for weather. The nickname is "doesn't function wet" because whenever there is a rainstorm, the entire airport practically shuts down.
Thatās the hub and spoke model of all connections funneling through. Not physical space. You tell me that ORD during Thanksgiving with the one in one out model with a U terminal is better?
Cheap valet parking at every terminal, I donāt have to wonder how long my TSA experience may be, and I can get anywhere in the world out of DFW in 14 hours. Not saying ORD canāt, but the passenger experience, layout, and time suck isnāt the same as a consumer 90% of the time.
As somebody born & raised in Dallas, moved to Chicago for nearly a decade of my adult life, and moved back to Dallas. I agree and disagree on every point. But Iāll stay in Dallas, the weather & vibe is just better here š¤·š»āāļø
My wife and I are moving back to Chicago in July. Pretty spot on analysis but I find it funny that caring more about local elections was seen as a negative. Honestly, living in both Illinois and Texas, voting in major elections can seem very pointless because of the general way the state ends up voting. Having your local elections actually mean something can make it feel like you have a direct impact on your community.
What I mean is that in Chicago, the local politicians had a lot of impact on your life so those elections were the most important. In Dallas, I don't feel like the mayor or any other local politician has much impact on my life compared to state officials like the governor, Ken Paxton, and Ted Cruz.
Perhaps the difference is that Illinois is a liberal state and Chicago is a liberal city so there is no competition between the two. Whereas Dallas is a liberal city but Texas is a conservative state so there is competition between the two.
Because the local Dallas politicians are busy working for businesses and their ilk before their actual community. The mayor recently just pulled the rug from his constituents who voted for a democratic mayor but he switched parties. Awful!
I have the reverse situation. I've lived in Dallas for 36 years but my home office is in Chicago where I commute to, monthly.
Transportation - I'm not a fan of CTA. I am sorry for your girlfriend, but not surprised of the attack. In Dallas, you need a vehicle. However, there are nostalgic destination trains like going from Grapevine to the Ft Worth stockyards. Driving in downtown Chicago is unbearable. Downtown Dallas driving isn't great, but better. Chicago has some iconic museums, but Dallas has as many great options, too.
Employment - DFW opportunities are spread out, but so are Chicago's. My company isn't downtown Chicago. Many are north of Chicago going up the tollway. DFW is growing much faster than Chicago so naturally opportunities will be spread out.
Entertainment - It is more family oriented in Dallas. Chicago has some cool underground clubs... almost considered speakeasy. Go to the Ft Worth stockyards and get your country on. It's a blast.
Outdoor activities - Yes, it's hot here. Get in, around or on the water, or get used to it. I ride the Hotter'n Hell 100 bike race in Wichita Falls and embrace it.
Politics - It's very conservative. What's weird is when I tune into local TV stations in Chicago, you can tell they lean far Left and don't even report on anything endangering that stance. Downtown Chicago has an app they use to alert residents of emergencies like shootings. South Chicago is beyond sketchy. Dallas has some iffy areas, but much after than Chicago.
People - My wife can't stand the rude attitudes in Chicago. Public workers just yell at you. Drivers "communicate" with constant honking. Dallasites are more likely to share BBQ and smoking recipes and invite you over. What I find radically different is firearm laws. It's rare, but you will see people openly carrying a holstered firearm. In Chicago, only thugs carry. I, as a Texan, can't apply for a FOID card to even legally possess in Illinois. I can't even go to the gun range in Chicago without a local friend with a FOID card. You need a FOID card to even buy ammo in Illinois. The ratio of bad guys with guns to good guys with guns isn't great in Chicago.
Growth and future - We agree in a lot of areas here. DFW will extend to Oklahoma. Even with all the remote work, a fast train system will need to be built. If the cultures and environments remain the same, DFW will continue to outgrow Chicago. What's funny is many Dallasites ask newcomers if their job brought them here or if it was their decision. Dallasites are very protective of the culture.
> My wife can't stand the rude attitudes in Chicago. Public workers just yell at you.
Yes, and it's an awkward conversation but it's often black people who have attitudes towards white people in Chicago. I don't notice the same hostility between black people and white people in Dallas.
Iām actually in the position of having the opposite movement you do; there is a chance iām moving to chicago in coming years. Iām from seattle so i know the camping isnāt equivalent but where would you recommend i camp to try and actually be away from people?
A 30min walk is better than driving for 15min, circling trying to find street parking for 10min, finding a spot but it's a 10min walk from the restaurant you are trying to eat at.
What kind of grocery store (in your original post) are you going to that you have to find parking for? Also, there's no way a 30 minute walk is a 15 minute drive
Walking to a restaurant /bar is another thing
There are many grocery stores in big cities that don't have parking. You have to find parking on the street and in dense neighborhoods that can be a challenge. With city traffic, it can take 15min to drive a mile.
I'm not talking about big cities, I'm talking about Dallas. I've never seen a grocery store in Dallas that didn't have easy parking or take 15 minutes to drive 1 mile (something that would take a 30 minute walk)
A thirty minute walk where you combine light cardio activities that are good for your health, save money on gas/wear and tear on car, and after driving and parking time, how much time have you really saved?Ā
I make a weekly 20 min each way walk to the grocery store myself, driving plus parking would be 10 minutes, but walking leaves me in a good mood vs driving which leaves me stressed out.
Have lived here most of my life, and nothing here was surprising, but I enjoyed reading it. Dallas is public transit hostile. City simply wasn't designed for it. It's a pro sprawl model with lower housing costs but horrible traffic.
Having lived in Chicago you can flip this 100% as it really comes down to personal preferences. Open window season is easily twice as long in dallas relative to Chicago and the the only times Chicago is great is late June through September otherwise the weather is sketchy and just as likely to be very cold
Iād agree with most of this except for the water activities. Hiking and camping is mostly ass around the DFW metro. Tons of stuff to do here any given weekend for young professionals so Iām not sure what you mean by most of the things going on are for families. 31 here and Iām always finding stuff to do here for fun.
How do you find the things to do? In Chicago and other dense walkable cities, you can take the train to some random neighborhood and walk around and discover pop-up art shows, weird quirky shops, bars, and restaurants.
I have joined a few Dallas Facebook groups that post events but half the time the events are in the suburbs and always have tons of families and kids.
Hey. I came here from Chicago in 2018 and I agree with everything you said. At least Tx is cleaner right? Everything is newer here and newly built. Whereas everything in Chicago is old and crusty. Iām from the suburbs though, like Wood Dale/Schaumburg etc. I grew up in Little Village Chicago though. Everything there is old, but I also like that because it shows Chicago cares about its history, whereas Tx just wants everything here to be new and clean and newly built. Nothing wrong with either. You win some you lose some. Just an observation. But people here drive absolutely horrible. Just awful everyday
> At least Tx is cleaner right? Everything is newer here and newly built.
I used to think that but there are many parts of the metroplex that are showing their age. Arlington has so many old, half vacant strip centers.
Dallas born and raised here; just came back from 5 days in Chicago.
I am definitely jealous of the CTA y'all have... Can take you anywhere up there. Does have sketchy folks, but that's found in any metro area.
You are right about work, it's so spread out here. My afternoon drive coming home is soul sucking. Would love to take public transportation instead.
Can't beat that Chicago skyline as well. But I can't stand the harsh winters up there. Don't know how y'all do it lol.
Stop saying good about here, or else we keep getting to big. As for traffic, as a ex New Yorker from 26 years ago, I believe it is the transplants who didn't drive so much where they come from and those that do don't drive the old Texas way "drive friendly"!
Broken Bow, Oklahoma, boasts charming luxury cabins available for rent just about 3 hours away. In my opinion, it hosts one of the finest state parks in the area, featuring numerous trails and idyllic fishing spots. Additionally, the options for food and incidentals shopping are steadily improving.
Yep, gas used to be a lot cheaper. I used to be able to fill up my truck and still get a nickel for a $20 dollar bill. That was the early 2000ās and I was only 14.
I feel the outdoor one SO BADLY!! I moved here from Nevada, and man I miss the mountains, the deserts. Fishing, camping, hiking. One upside moving to Dallas is that i don't have any place to go outside, so my freckles have been under the control.
I absolutely agree to all of this. Iām from Colorado and lived in Austin and Dallas (obviously) doesnāt compare with the outdoor activities. I live right on the trail so spend a lot of time on there, but besides that thereās very very limited places to spend time outside compared to Austin.
Isnāt the dog shit traffic and lack of public transit by design ? Isnāt that what people want in Dallas ? I grew up there for 20 years and my entire life full of people complaining about traffic but then scoff at the idea of building better trains, increasing zoning density, etc.
Check out Denton. Great college city, great music scene (university has a great music program), lots of good food, leans a lot more to the left.
Check out FT Worth proper as well. Nice downtown, feels a ton smaller. Fantastic museums.
Also, have you been to any of the Vietnamese restaurants in Richardson? Huge population there. I think around 200K moved here after the fall of Hanoi.
I just moved back to the area after 15 years in Europe. I am still going through a lot of culture shock. Iām adjusting and learning to keep my mouth shut a lot and/ or steer the conversation back to the good conversation we were having before the word ācommunistā came out of left field applied to any particular group (Iāll let you guess).
Glad to hear itās not all bad! I have a soft spot for the city having grown up here and having all my family here, but itās also changed a lot in the time Iāve been away.
There are a lot of places where you don't need a car. Mostly it's smaller towns or college towns. I lived in Iowa City and didn't have a car the entire time. I rode my bike or took the bus.
Yeah public transit here is absolute garbage. Walking and crossing the streets you feel like you will die on foot or on a bike.
I grew up in Oregon and didn't drive my entire time there because trimet was awesome. Be it busses, the max, or the streetcars. I moved here knowing it was car dependent but people said the transit was ok. It is not. There isn't even a bus stop for a few miles near me. I do not get why people defend that as a good thing.
I still don't plan to ever drive, let alone here with the insane traffic issues. But I think it is funny when people think only huge cities have no need for cars. Texas is on another level with its car dependence. I will be glad to get back to a world where I can bike or walk and not be afraid for my damn life.
As for outdoor activities in Dallas it has several hidden gems. If you are really into outdoor activities you just have to drive to different sides of town or down the highway. In Dallas they have several parks, Joppa in the Trinity Forest, Cedar Ridge Preserve for the Hills etc. If youāre looking for outdoor activities post and ask. You can even go paddle boarding on the Trinity River in Ft Worth. Also several state parks are nearby but you do have to call in advance especially for state parks in the Hill country.
āThere. Are a lot of things to do but a lot are āfamily oriented ā
Are you f kidding me???? Dallas first of is the most adulterous city in the nation. Secondly just say you know nothing about dallas, we shall educate youš.
Dallas and TX cities are super left leaning and yes you have to drive here like 99.999% of the cities in this country. If you hate Texas and republicans then stop moving here š¤·āāļø
I'm not even from Chicago originally. I'm originally from South Carolina which has more in common with Texas than it does Illinois. So I don't know what to tell you...
>Politics: If you are more left leaning, Texas is one of the worst states to live in because of how overly vocal our elected officials are here. When I visit conservative states like Idaho
You must stay in and around Boise
Iāve lived in Oak Cliff for 10+ years, 3 in Bishop Arts. How in the world are you 30 minutes away from a grocery store without a car? Hop on the #9, my guy.
Follow-up to agree with others that camping here isnāt hard, you just donāt know how to camp here. Iām sad for you that you havenāt taken the time to discover how naturally beautiful this area is.
Since they brought Portillos down here and it is successful do you think Lou Malnatis would do good here? I travel to Chicago (Warrenville/Naperville) for work a lot and I have to eat Lous at least once per trip. I always wondered if Lous would be popular down here.
Op,
I agree 100% with your assessment. I moved the opposite of you (from dallas to Chicago), and I plan on never returning to Texas. Granted there are a few things I miss in Texas, but not nearly enough to consider moving back.
Iāll say this, the hiking/outdoor opportunities in Chicago (or surrounding areas) is piss poor. That said, youāre spot on.
Fellow Chicagoan checking in š«” Good analysis and relatable points. Iām happy to have Chicago to go back to get my āfixā (with certain foods, street festivals, cultural activities, etc.) but overall, Iāve adjusted well and looking forward to growing in Dallas. The biggest adjustments have been the extreme heat in the summers and the drivers of course lol
I was getting tired of city life and wanted to move somewhere else. There were a ton of job postings in DFW and that's where I ended up getting an offer.
Moved here almost exactly five years ago from the Northwest āburbs where I was born and grew up 40 years.
Iād say the only things I really truly miss are the seasons and the green green grass, lol. But I donāt miss bundling up, shoveling snow and scraping the car off to go to the store in January.
One thing I didnāt count on was how intense the sun is here during the summer.
This has always been one of my favorite things about living in DFW. I love that I can drive an hour and still be in a city. We drove to visit family mostly when I was a kid and you can pass a "big city" in a lot of states without even realizing you drove through their downtown.
LA, New York and maybe Miami are the only places I have been that were comparable to DFW.
Chicagoland is spread out as well but the difference is that someone living in the city almost never needs to go anywhere else. The only time I ever went to the suburbs is if I needed to go shopping at the mall or there was some restaurant that wasn't in the city.
In DFW, nothing is centralized and you always need to be driving to other areas to do something. Example: I wanted Polish food the other day and the closest place is in Plano.
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