Most terrorism is religious and from muslims. That is fact. Muslims arent bad at all and its less than 0.001% of them that do terrorism but what i said is fact.
So to change the definition to exclude religious motives is to say its fine to do terror attacks as long as they’re for muslim reasons
That's not true. In the west, especially America, the number one source of terrorism is from white supremacist groups. In the US, the FBI consistently releases reports on the threat that white supremacists pose to the country and contend that it is the dominant form of terrorism.
I don't know if Australia is some unique bastion of Islamic terrorism, but I highly doubt that it deviates that substantially from the rest of the west
You have written so much just to say that the national security orgs have said white supremacists are the biggest threat. The fact is what i said is correct, most terrorism is religious and from muslims. The fact that this is true (go ahead and count up all the terror attacks its very clear) and that your orgs say the biggest threat is white supremacists should turn your head at those orgs and have you asking questions about them and why they would say that, not have you restating what they state online.
I cited the Australian government and their terror report (I think they would know a thing or 2 about terrorism) and you came back with no trust me bro I feel like it's wrong. Ur coping and delusional
I have only found this to be true for America when looking online. Worldwide, or looking at a handful of European countries has given very different results.
I actually just looked it up, I'll make an edit to my previous comment to add it there,
But the Australian National Security threat assessment seems to back up what I'm saying.
In their report they say specifically
"The factors that led to an elevation of the terrorism threat level in 2014 no longer exist, or persist to a lesser degree."
And then they go on to say,
"In particular, the offshore networks, capabilities and allure of Sunni violent extremist groups—such as the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant and al-Qa‘ida—have been substantially degraded. Accordingly, the support for these groups in Australia has declined further. But the violent extremist beliefs which motivated these groups persist, and will continue to appeal to a small number of Australians."
Then in regards to extremist political movements they state,
"Ideologically motivated violent extremism—and particularly nationalist and racist violent extremism—remains a threat to Australian security and its adherents will continue to engage in offensive behaviours."
I don't want to just copy and paste the entire report, so I would recommend that people read it, but it basically states that the only noticeable difference is that islamist terror groups are more likely to do direct motivated attacks and claim credit for it, while white supremacist and nationalist terrorists will resort to recruitment and radicalization which then leads to stochastic terror.
Islamist terror though is in a massive decline globally because they just don't have the resources anymore. Most terror groups have been all but defeated, and there isn't a massive drive for it anymore like there was in 2014
https://www.nationalsecurity.gov.au/national-threat-level/current-national-terrorism-threat-level
>Most terrorism is religious and from muslims.
Partially because we pretend it's not terrorism when white people do it. The christian crazies that shot cops in queensland weren't called terrorists nor was the incel at bondi who targeted women called a terrorist.
Terrorism is "use of violence or threats to intimidate or coerce a civilian population or government, with the goal of furthering political, social, or ideological objectives".
The Bondi attacker had no goal/objectives, and therefore cannot be counted as terrorism. Nothing to do with race.
Australia has become such a dystopian nightmare. The feds blow everything out of proportion as an excuse to pass more surveillance laws. They arrest teenagers doing dumb things online (viewing material created by ASIS) to fill their new prisons. They have TV specials on ‘drug lords’ who never had more than a few ounces of whatever. You’re looking at a government that forced the vaccine and violated body autonomy despite side effects in a despotic authoritarian fashion and a country where police are militarized while their media presents a false image of cops being heroic. You’re looking at a country where snitching to authorities is deemed as being a good citizen and a country whose economic minister is a WEF young leader. Aus is a great example of 1984 with a cucked population to boot. These teenagers aren’t terrorists they’re groomed online by ASIS who fill state prisons with ideological thought criminals.
>These teenagers aren’t terrorists they’re groomed online by ASIS who fill state prisons with ideological thought criminals.
I mean, that would at least mean that ASIS groomed the first one into an actual terrorist as he did actually commit a terrorist crime.
>The group's spokeswoman Ramia Abdo Sultan said terrorism was driven by political ideology and not religion.
>"The presumption that terrorism is inherently tied to religion is not only inaccurate but harmful," Ms Abdo Sultan told a press conference.
>"This misconception persists despite extensive scholarly work demonstrating that terrorism is driven by political and ideological motives, not religious faith."
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Imagine saying this shit with a straight face lmao. How delusional are these idiots? Well, they’re religious, so probably “very”.
>The alliance of Islamic groups did not take questions during the four minute press conference, telling the assembled media that they could submit questions by email.
Lmao, so they can just filter out all the tough questions that they don’t want to answer.
On one hand, I hear the Australian police and other armed forced are notoriously too empowered on the other hand, this seems like a moderate group defending the extremists that emerged from among them cuz "one of our own".
The arguments the Muslim interest group to me seem like just anything to get the law adjusted. Like,
>"religiously motivated terrorism" from the legislation.
already implicitly assumes that religion isn't inherently tied to terrorism, so it has to specify religious terrorism. Contrary to what they claim/assume.
>"The presumption that terrorism is inherently tied to religion is not only inaccurate but harmful," Ms Abdo Sultan told a press conference.
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>Five boys, aged 14 to 17, were charged on Thursday with a range of offences, including conspiring to prepare or plan for a terrorist act.
>On Friday night, a sixth teenager was also charged with conspiring to engage in preparing or planning a terrorist act.
>The 14-year-old has been refused bail to appear at a children's court on Saturday.
>...
>But the alliance of Islamic groups said on Friday the raids underscored "a concerning pattern of questionable law enforcement tactics."
It seems to me that if this actually goes through, then people conspiring to do some attack or crime can argue against being treated like people conspiring to do an attack or crime by hiding behind their religion. Because are the police supposed to just release these guys cuz the communication lines they're part of are religious?
That said, if this is accurate
>"The lack of evidence pointing to a concrete threat or plan among these youths, as noted by senior police officials, calls into question both the necessity and the manner of these operations," she said
Then it goes back to that my original statement that Australia's armed forces may have too much power to act unilaterally and without even later review to be concerned about.
They do. I no longer live in Australia and have had enough involvement with our arrogant LEO and four letter agencies to be legitimately concerned about overreach.
>The lack of evidence pointing to a concrete threat or plan among these youths, as noted by senior police officials, calls into question both the necessity and the manner of these operations," she said
This is an argument one can make in court. Charging someone is a normal thing for police and prosecutors. If the defense attorneys don't think there's enough evidence to justify the charge, they can make that argument.
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> # [Sixth teenager charged with terror-related offence as Islamic groups call for review of Sydney raids](https://live-production.wcms.abc-cdn.net.au/11bf70874927271b8976564769f11d50?impolicy=wcms_watermark_news&cropH=2633&cropW=4680&xPos=0&yPos=0&width=862&height=485&imformat=generic)
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> An alliance of peak Islamic groups has called for Australia's terrorism laws to be changed, to remove the concept of "religiously motivated terrorism" from the legislation.
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> It comes as a sixth teenager, aged 15, was charged after counterterrorism raids were carried out in Sydney on Wednesday.
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> Five teenagers, aged 14 to 17, were previously charged with several offences and are before the courts.
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> In a statement, the Australian National Imams Council, the Alliance of Australian Muslims and the Australian Muslim Advocacy Network said it was necessary to "avoid simplistic attributions that target specific communities".
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> The group's spokeswoman Ramia Abdo Sultan said terrorism was driven by political ideology and not religion.
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> "The presumption that terrorism is inherently tied to religion is not only inaccurate but harmful," Ms Abdo Sultan told a press conference.
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> [A group of Muslim leaders gather together in a line in a park](https://live-production.wcms.abc-cdn.net.au/d614f9dcb2529168e291a81adc44d297?impolicy=wcms_crop_resize&cropH=1399&cropW=2098&xPos=0&yPos=514&width=862&height=575) Ramia Abdo Sultan with other representatives from the Australian National Imams Council, the Alliance of Australian Muslims and Australian Muslim Advocacy Network.(ABC News: Sean Tarek Goodwin)
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> "This misconception persists despite extensive scholarly work demonstrating that terrorism is driven by political and ideological motives, not religious faith."
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> The alliance of Islamic groups did not take questions during the four minute press conference, telling the assembled media that they could submit questions by email.
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> Ms Abdo Sultan also singled out ASIO Director-General Mike Burgess and said the use of racial and religious profiling and the failure of law enforcement agencies to consult with the Muslim community further undermined social cohesion.
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> "The use of charged language such as "religiously motivated Sunni violent extremism" by the Director-General of ASIO Mike Burgess, particularly during sensitive times ... fuels Islamophobia and further marginalises the Muslim community," she said.
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> "This approach undermines social cohesion and perpetuates the stigmatisation of an entire religious group based on the actions of a few."
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> Mr Burgess said "Sunni violent extremism poses the greatest religiously motivated violent extremist threat in Australia", in the ASIO Annual Threat Assessment on February 28.
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> A spokesperson for ASIO said the overarching descriptors of "ideologically motivated violent extremism" and "religiously motivated violent extremism" allowed accurate categorisation of security threats on the basis of their primary driver.
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> "ASIO’s subject matter experts have an extensive and detailed understanding of threats, and they concluded that individuals or groups who support violence to oppose or achieve a specific social, political or legal outcome based on a religious interpretation can appropriately and accurately be described as "religiously motivated", they said in a statement.
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> "As the Director-General has consistently stated, ASIO does not investigate people because of their religious views – ASIO is concerned with actual or potential violence."
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> New South Wales Premier, Chris Minns, has rejected the call for terrorism laws to be revised.
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> He said it was important for police to understand the nature of the crimes they were dealing with.
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> “The truth of the matter is in some instances, and it is only some instances where there are terrorist activities they are as a result of religious-based extremism," Mr Minns said.
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> "Now that is not the only form of terrorism in the state, there are other designations that apply, but I am not going to make a major change in relation to that."
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> Mr Minns said some terrorism can be religiously motivated.
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> “We do need to confront religious extremism. Some of it manifests itself in terrorism and it is important there is a comprehensive police and security response.”
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> ## 'Transparency and accountability'
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> The alliance of Islamic groups made the call in the wake of the stabbing of Bishop Mar Mari Emmanuel at the Assyrian Orthodox Christ The Good Shepherd Church at Wakeley, in Sydney's south west, on April 15.
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> A 16-year-old boy was arrested at the church and charged with committing a terrorist act over the stabbing.
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> On Wednesday, about 400 officers from the Joint Counter-Terrorism Team (JCTT) raided 13 addresses across Sydney in connection with the stabbing, arresting seven young people and questioning a further five.
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> [Two police officers in tactical gear stand on a street with their backs to the camera](https://live-production.wcms.abc-cdn.net.au/52c62397c25775775f49d91d10c963bf?impolicy=wcms_crop_resize&cropH=1861&cropW=2792&xPos=0&yPos=449&width=862&height=575) On Wednesday, federal and state police conducted counterrrorism raids across Sydney and Goulburn.(Supplied: NSW Police)
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> ## Another teenager charged
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> Five boys, aged 14 to 17, were charged on Thursday with a range of offences, including conspiring to prepare or plan for a terrorist act.
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> On Friday night, a sixth teenager was also charged with conspiring to engage in preparing or planning a terrorist act.
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> The 14-year-old has been refused bail to appear at a children's court on Saturday.
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> Australian Federal Police Deputy Commissioner Krissy Barrett alleged on Wednesday the police operation uncovered "a network of associates and peers who … share a similar violent extremist ideology" as the alleged church attacker.
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> But the alliance of Islamic groups said on Friday the raids underscored "a concerning pattern of questionable law enforcement tactics."
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> Spokeswoman Ramia Abdo Sultan demanded government and law enforcement agencies commit to an immediate review of the processes leading up to the raids to ensure "transparency and accountability."
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> "The lack of evidence pointing to a concrete threat or plan among these youths, as noted by senior police officials, calls into question both the necessity and the manner of these operations," she said.
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> "This lack of transparency exacerbates the distress within our community."
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> Posted 26 Apr 202426 Apr 2024Fri 26 Apr 2024 at 2:29am, updated 26 Apr 202426 Apr 2024Fri 26 Apr 2024 at 10:10am
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