Has your town/ city centre been pedestrianised, if so has it been a success?

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tmstms@reddit

The prime examples I know personally are places that were already mucho crap to drive in like Cambridge, Oxford, York, and aready had restrictions, so pretty much open goals, really.

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Banning cars isn't pedestrianised though, still too many busses going through sections that would be much nicer pedestrianised in Oxford. York is much better during the day as very few vehicles and the busses are away from the centre.

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7148675309@reddit

I thought they’d banned buses from Queen Street but was back there last month and clearly that’s been reversed. When I was growing up the only major restrictions were buses only on Cornmarket and Queen Street - but frankly buses overtaking each other was rather dangerous…

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sjintje@reddit

I was in Cambridge recently and quite disappointed to find it the same car inferno as before. What has been newly pedestrianized?

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tmstms@reddit

I'm 63 and was born in Cambridge. So newly = 30+ yrs ago for me.

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Skyersjet_II@reddit

My issue with pedestrianisation is that people think pedestrianising a shit town will suddenly make it good just because it now looks nicer. The money could well be better spent tackling other issues first.

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pingusaysnoot@reddit

I'm originally from Bradford, moved away around 8 years ago but my family still live there. When I was a kid, believe it or not, Bradford was actually a really good city. It was jammed with a variety of shops, was always really busy and I never felt unsafe or uncomfortable being there. There was a good nightlife scene - I could never see myself leaving or going far. But it's just gone majorly downhill, they let it go to ruin to the point there's hardly any life in the city outside of their lacklustre attempt at a shopping centre - which cost millions to build and isn't even that great. They spent so much money trying to reinvent the city, and put all their attention on the shopping centre at the bottom of town, that they abandoned the top part which was always the heart of Bradford. It's really depressing to be there, I hate going there and if I ever do, I do what I need to in the shopping centre and then leave without venturing any further. They made rent sky high, and the only shops that were willing to take up tenancies were phone and vape shops. At one point, there was a whole street judt lined with phone shops. As a result, people were forced to shop elsewhere and it's just been abandoned now. They knocked down some incredibly beautiful buildings back in the 60s/70s, built some concrete monstrosities- which are now being demolished - and are rebuilding modern buildings in the hope it will bring people back. But they lost the community years ago. The people who were passionate about the city have gone, those who lived and breathed the place. Its been replaced with people who don't care because rent is cheap in a city that has been left behind, and it's honestly a real shame. So I completely agree with what you say. It's alright spending money to make places look 'nice' but if they abandon what actually matters, its still shit. It's been nominated as the City of Culture 2025 so they're absolutely chucking money at random shit. However they are renovating the city's pride and joy - the original Odeon cinema (which was earmarked for demolition until people protested against yet another glorious building being torn down) and they're turning it into a live music venue so I have hope yet it will turn around but only time will tell. 🤷🏼‍♀️

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Mammoth_Sized@reddit

> I'm originally from Bradford, moved away around 8 years ago but my family still live there. When I was a kid, believe it or not, Bradford was actually a really good city. What years are we talking about it being a good city? I was in Bradford from 2004 - 2014 and it was far from good, the city centre was pretty rough much throughout all of those years. What was there before the Broadway came along wasn't much better, something needed to be done, but the half arsed attempt they ultimately came through with wasn't the answer, if they'd stuck to the full development plan, then maybe. Bradford needs \_a lot\_ of work, it's slowly getting there, but with many years of severe underfunding, like most cities, it's a challenge.

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pingusaysnoot@reddit

I experienced Bradford in the 90s - it wasn't bad at all. It was never great, always been rough around the edges. Maybe I look at it with a tinged outlook as I was born there and never knew any different until I left. But put it this way, I never stepped foot in Leeds until I was in my mid/late teens. There was just never any need to go anywhere else to shop as everything you needed was in town. Something always needed to be done as it was always an underfunded city. But again, what made Bradford was it's community. Everyone knew Bradford wasn't regardly highly anywhere in the country, but there was a community that loved where they lived, and made every effort to nurture what we had. I remember going to Christmas lights switch ons as a kid in the 90s and the crowds going all the way from town hall all the way up to Sunbridge Road and out towards the Alhambra. Every shop was filled with businesses. I was there 3 weeks ago visiting a friend, and basically all the units at the top of town now around Kirkgate are empty/boarded up. They've all relocated to Broadway or shut down because they took away any reason to go up there. I popped into Waterstones and it seems to be the only sacred bit of Bradford that's been left untouched. It's so sad honestly. It absolutely needs a hell of a lot doing to it, and investing in it - most importantly, in rebuilding the community sense that doesn't seem to exist anymore. Everyone that did have that, has had to move on.

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Mammoth_Sized@reddit

To be fair, I'd heard the 90s and earlier on were much better for the city, I think they're planning on demolishing the Kirkgate Shopping Centre too, I personally never had many good memories of Bradford so maybe I just came to being there at the wrong time. Thanks for sharing by the way.

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Phyllida_Poshtart@reddit

Imo the planners fucked up when they decided to move things to the canal rd retail park....Bradford has been dying for a long time with multiple ridiculous projects e.g. guided bus lanes which were only introduced because they got money from the EU they had to spend or they wouldn't get the grant the next time. A total waste of time and money. Even getting into Bradford is a pain in the arse

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DJToffeebud@reddit

Bradford is a shithole.

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samfitnessthrowaway@reddit

Similar story in Southampton, unfortunately. It's not quite hit rock bottom but the soul has been leeching out of the place slowly since the early 2000s. It all started with the massive new shopping centre which everyone was excited about at the time but quickly destroyed the high street, and a general lack of sensible investment elsewhere has really hurt the place.

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spaceshipcommander@reddit

Sheffield. It sort of has and no it's not been successful. During Covid there were measures put in place for social distancing and outside dining so some roads were closed to traffic. All they have managed to do is make the city a maze of one way streets so now you have to drive twice as far as you did before to get anywhere. That might be a deterrent for some but our public transport is awful. You can't easily access the city. There's 1 bus per hour from my town into the city centre, for example, and it takes about 4 times as long as the car as you have to go through all of the other towns in the outskirts too. We are still supposedly Sheffield. I'm generally of the opinion that carrots are the way to change behaviours, not sticks. Particularly when there's not really an alternative for most people.

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Naughty_veg@reddit

Disagree with this take. Since the centre has increased areas that are pedestrianised the experience of walking around the city is much better than dodging diesel spewing buses. Also more outside seating places along division St and easier to cycle through. The buses are crap but that's a different thing to pedestrianising the centre imo. The new active travel plan looks like it will make things a little more logical too. I can see it might be a different experience coming from outside the city to get something v specific and then leave but hopefully it encourages people to stay longer and generally increase spend.

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Wil_Cwac_Cwac@reddit

As a visitor to Sheffield, I found your trams excellent and the city centre really easy to navigate by foot

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spaceshipcommander@reddit

If you live in the city centre I'm sure it's ok to get around, but the city is also very hilly and would probably be difficult for older and disabled people to get around. The issue is getting into the city from the surrounding areas. Sheffield extends out probably 10 or so miles from the centre, but is then a lot of small ex mining villages and towns. Where I used to live there was a single bus at quarter past the hour through the day and it took at least an hour to actually get into town. So we would get the bus to the tram stop then the tram into town whenever possible. It's still a long journey though and the tram follows the road for most of it so it's not like you can avoid traffic.

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SilverstoneMonzaSpa@reddit

I only lived in Sheffield for a year but I found the public transport the best for any city without a metro. Trams were absolutely amazing to get round and the busses seemed to go everywhere. If I didn't love cars so much I'd probably have sold it if I stayed. I haven't been since the pedestrianisation but it needed some change. It felt dated, old fashioned and the cars running through everywhere seemed to split it up in a weird way. The ring road was shit though so I can see why people use the middle to drive

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JavaRuby2000@reddit

Not permanently but, throughout the summer (April to September) my local council puts on lots of themed weekends (live music weekend, Street Food, Chilliest, rum and gin, craft ale, craft cider, WW2 weekend) where they pedestrianise the town centre for two or three days and basically turn the high street into a food plaza.

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Shoddy-Reply-7217@reddit

I grew up in Leeds and the majority of the city centre has always been pedestrianised, and was/is very popular as a result. More areas have been added like Briggate which used to cut the centre in half and it's lovely IMHO. I now live in Watford and the centre is also mostly pedestrians/bikes which I love . The problem with both of these places (and any other with a central pedestrian zone) is that they end up with a hideous hellhole of an inner ring road which is hard to cross/cuts through other quite central areas turning them into concrete bunkers. I'd still prefer a pedestrian zone though. In centres and in suburban high streets too. I admit I'm biased as I walk and cycle a lot.

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samfitnessthrowaway@reddit

Large parts of Manchester have been semi-pedestrianised over the years (either no vehicles at all or only buses and taxis) and despite grumbling from some of the people who live in the pedestrianised areas and now have to walk to their cars, it's been a roaring success - there was never really enough parking in the city centre anyway, and as long as there's a bit preserved as the infinite new tower blocks pop up that'll not be an issue. It's a shame, they pedestrianised a whole load more of it during COVID but the bus companies sued to have them re-opened and won.

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modumberator@reddit

yeah it might've been nice to be able to park up next to This & That in some hypothetical Manchester, but they've done a good job; it's easy to get into the city, easy to park just outside of the city, easy to park at the transport hubs that take you into the city at a reasonable price, etc. Cheaper to take the tram into the city than to park in one of the many car parks in the city. Can't complain. And it was always awful to drive around anyway

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Wanderection@reddit

Exeter high street has a statue celebrating the year of the pedestrian. Despite the fact that buses and cyclists can still use the high street. I wish it was properly pedestrianised all the way down to Exe Bridges and at least to the far end of Sidwell Street

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scouserman3521@reddit

Liverpool. And yes, it has been a success

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jawide626@reddit

Not just a success but literally transformed the place, it's amazing now. Shame about all the dickhead delivery drivers on ebikes flying through the city centre though.

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harryhardy432@reddit

Could still do with more I reckon. Make the whole centre pedestrianised. All of L1-L3. Be beautiful to walk around the place with a reliable bus service, a tram and real focus on bikes. Pipe dream, of course.

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gourmetguy2000@reddit

I agree, I've been there a few times recently and have had to dodge cars in places I didn't expect. There's definitely still parts that could go further

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WhistlepigUK@reddit

Don't hate the player, hate the game.

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Cyb3rd31ic_Citiz3n@reddit

Without players there is no game.

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jawide626@reddit

I hate both the player and the game equally, i don't discriminate...

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crucible@reddit

When was Lord Street down to the top of Bold Street done? I remember it being all pedestrianised by the mid 90s.

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wales-bloke@reddit

Alan?

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baxty23@reddit

I’m dead against it. Traders need access to Dixons.

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Cultural_Doughnut100@reddit

As do people in wheeeeeelchairs. (I must admit I did expect the comments section to be full of Alan Partridge quotes, lol)

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Lower_Possession_697@reddit

Y'ave never had a cuppa beans man?

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DJToffeebud@reddit

That’s Newcastle

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Lower_Possession_697@reddit

Ya never had a cuppa beans man?

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Friendly_Captain9042@reddit

It’s like a savoury 99

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wolf0lead@reddit

Ooohhh you’re going to have a good time!!

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Shoes__Buttback@reddit

Ohhh, Cultural Doughnut, you know your onions!

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Darren_heat@reddit

Smell my cheese.

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Phoenix_Kerman@reddit

You mother

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Friendly_Captain9042@reddit

Damn! Come here to comment exactly this but of course, it is the first comment 😂 Bravo sit

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DJToffeebud@reddit

Saw a crack head knife fight in Norwich. Absolute shit hole.

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Spazhazzard@reddit

Northampton was past the point of saving when they decided to re-pedestrianise parts of the main high street.

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ChangingMyLife849@reddit

I wish they would do it in my town.

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crucible@reddit

Wrexham. Not sure when it happened but parts of Hope Street and Queen Street in the city centre have been pedestrianised since the 80s, as far as I can remember.

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e-pancake@reddit

I was dubious about Norwich because I worried it’d be bad for accessibility but it didn’t really change accessibility in the end. I really like what they’ve done. I’ve talked to multiple people about their first time going to Norwich lately and they’ve all said how surprisingly nice it is so something’s working haha

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MrPogoUK@reddit

Personally I’ve found all the recently pedestrianised/cars banned bits to be somewhere between pointless and a bit rubbish; most of it still allows bus and taxi access and there’s enough of them you still have to fully treat the roads as roads, and even bits like Westlegate still allow bikes so you have to remain constantly vigilant as a sensible pedestrian, with it actually being worse to cycle down as most pedestrians aren’t sensible and treat the cycle path bits as a normal pavement when stepping onto it. So it mainly doesn’t impact me much at all, but as there’s also no real benefit it seems like a massive waste of money!

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Nicktrains22@reddit

Bedford centre has been pedestrianised. Honestly not sure if it has been a success. Half the high street is now empty and the other half is full of clearance stores. The big problem is that the rents are too high for the level of business the shops attract, so pedestrianisation either has no effect or slightly decreases the amount of people visiting the town centre.

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beoffendedyoulllive@reddit

Two different areas I’ve lived in did this and it killed the high street. There was, in both areas, limited surrounding streets to park in so you’d have to use one of the overpriced car parks. Sometimes there were no spaces as it was packed, so a lot of people just didn’t bother going. In the end, people just went to the local shopping centre (in the middle of nowhere) as there was ample free parking. You can park right next to the shop you want (card factory for example, or Boots), run in, grab your what you need, and leave. The shopping centre also has bars, restaurants, cinema, hair salons, nail salons etc so people go there for all sorts. Traffic in both pedestrianised town centres was ridiculous. I live in a village now, and am between two town centres. One has pedestrianised the town centre, so all cars are forced onto one route. The traffic is an absolute joke! The other town centre allows cars to drive all through the centre and high street, as well as park along the high street, and you can breeze straight through. I only ever visit this town centre for shopping, dining, drinks etc. Another local town also allows cars along the high street, with free parking on the high street itself, so I travel to this town for hair appointments and eating out.

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Adamsoski@reddit

That just sounds like the non-pedestrianised ones in your examples are much wealthier (which would make sense, wealthier areas tend to have more ability to resist change), so not exactly a fair comparison in terms of which is nicer.

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Spottyjamie@reddit

Carlisle, the main stretch of bars got pedestrianised on weekends 15-17 years ago and i like it! The shopping area was pedestrianised in late 70s so was too young to notice beforehand. Again, i couldnt imagine it not being pedestrianised! It works well imo

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suiluhthrown78@reddit

It was said to be highly successful for a few years, a lot less cars, plenty of foot traffic, those who drove into the city for the main mall and major brands stopped bringing their dirty polluting diesels in Now there's a bit of panic, people from within the city drive out to the retail parks and shopping centres, major brands are either replicated there or move out of the city centre completely, its accessible, cheaper and a more pleasant experience in every way. It turns out that you cant run a successful local economy on just university students.....its like a poor man's version of running an economy on tourism, theres no development in relying on endless numbers of bars,, charity shops, fast food places etc

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Hatpar@reddit

Tamworth. I would say failure because the shopping centre just outside the town is rammed. The town itself was pretty dead but then Spudman turned up and it got busy, without him the majority of visitors wouldn't be there.

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fionakitty21@reddit

I'm from Norwich (although recently moved, but only 20 mins away). The whole time st stephens was shut sucked, as I don't drive and it messed up the buses. Its....OK now. I think the amount of empty shops is a much worse problem (plans keep changing regarding debenhams which is a huge place!). Went up the city a couple of Saturdays ago and it was packed, wasn't expecting that if I'm honest, but guess weather etc effects it. Market is still bloody amazing, didn't exchange street recently become permanently pedestrianised?

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b3mus3d@reddit

Debenhams is pretty tragic but I was pleasantly surprised visiting Norwich the other day, lots of small independent shops

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_a_m_s_m@reddit (OP)

Very unfortunately, Exchange Street despite getting quite busy [was reverted back to being a regular thoroughfare for cars](https://www.edp24.co.uk/news/23844898.exchange-street-norwich-re-open-closure-scrapped/) & the cafes had to pack up there outdoor seating, as well as the taxi rank returning. There was [a protest](https://www.edp24.co.uk/news/23871011.protestors-applauded-following-u-turn-exchange-street-ban/) against the reversion so it wasn't without resistance.

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lobeg2@reddit

Absolutely brilliant news.

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fionakitty21@reddit

Ah ok, I'm only up the city a couple times a month so didn't really pay much attention although remember seeing articles about the protest about it opening to cars on evening news website!

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Western-Mall5505@reddit

No it's pushed the traffic to the back streets, where people live.

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IAmLaureline@reddit

Our city centre has been pedestrianised bit by bit over the years and it's heaving at the weekends and holidays. In fact, it's busy anytime that's not 10am on a soaking wet Monday. There's access for blue badge holders at different points. Some people hate it because it's 1. Change and 2. Infringing their right to drive & park their large metal vehicle wherever they want regardless of anyone else. Most people like it and manage to plan their journeys easily enough.

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_a_m_s_m@reddit (OP)

Sounds like a success! Which city is this?

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Happy_Boy_29@reddit

Yes not sure but it has transplanted alot of traffic that now spends longer looking for somewhere to park so occupants can visit ever fewer shops, is that the criteria for success ?

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Apart_Supermarket441@reddit

A large part of Bromley (Zone 5 London) High Street was pedestrianised in the early 90s. The high street has suffered as they all have but, compared to many other places, it’s holding up ok-ish. I think pedestrianisation has helped it to retain something of being a shopping destination, and it’s definitely a nicer experience for it. Where it struggles is that there are *no* restaurants/bars in the part that’s pedestrianised and this makes it something of a (long and quite expansive) wasteland in the evening that cuts off the two other parts of town from each other. I don’t know if the lack of restaurants/bars has anything to do with pedestrianisation. It’s quite a long, dead stretch that feels quite uncomfortable walking through at night.

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YchYFi@reddit

Not really but I try to shop there if possible but everyone goes to Cwmbran these days.

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_a_m_s_m@reddit (OP)

Which area was pedestrianised?

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YchYFi@reddit

The main high street really but there is no features in it at all.

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ScallionPossible@reddit

You've got a wilko, a greggs, a B+M bargains and a weekly market. Abertillery on the other hand is literally dieing, it's sad to see, the local traders blame pedestrianisation, the retail park in Brynmawr, Even not getting a railway station...... The sad truth is with no real major employers the rwon has become a pla e to live and a place to escape from......

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YchYFi@reddit

No wilko in pontypool, there's a poundstretcher and poundland. No b and m.

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ScallionPossible@reddit

Gutted your wilko has gone 😢

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YchYFi@reddit

It's a poundland now. Most people seem to shop in Cwmbran these days. I try to use the market.

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ScallionPossible@reddit

I do go down to pontypool now and again and try and make it a market day. My son goes to school in pontypool so do go fairly regularly.

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ScallionPossible@reddit

Your wilco was up the top by where the argos was wasn't it ?

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YchYFi@reddit

Yes it was next farm foods, argos left years ago. It's an independent clothes shop now.

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ScallionPossible@reddit

Jeezus I can remember when motorquip was there before argos was built lmao 🤣

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ScallionPossible@reddit

Poundstreatcher is oppersite greggs thought that was B&M lol

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markeditor@reddit

Nice to see GLC on the AskUK subreddit today.

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YchYFi@reddit

Pontypool I'll have you know.

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Electricbell20@reddit

Most of it was done before I moved to my current city and seeing old pictures, not sure how it worked prior. There isn't enough pavement to carry all the people who use the streets now.

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_a_m_s_m@reddit (OP)

I see you've discovered the wonders of [induced demand](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induced_demand)! (&/or just population growth)

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theoriginalShmook@reddit

The small town I moved to a few months ago has had several months of utter chaos and disruption to pedestrianise the main street. Its been an utter shit show, and there is zero benefit. They've basically relaid the road, and put some fancy low kerbs in along with 2 extra zebra crossings. Massive waste of time and money.

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_a_m_s_m@reddit (OP)

These schemes are typically controversial to start out with, but do generally leave more pleasant centres, as people adjust.

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theoriginalShmook@reddit

I'll agree it looks a bit more pleasant, but it was fine as it was. And you can't polish a turd, it's not a great town.

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RUM1N8R@reddit

Bossman can’t comprehend not being in a car

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theoriginalShmook@reddit

I totally can, however, the road is exactly the same width, there are no shared spaces and they have basically re-paved the pavements. It was proposed as pedestrianisation, but it's still not a pedstrian-centric area. I'm all for it when it's done properly, but this has been a huge waste of funds and enormous distribution to businesses for no gain.

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RUM1N8R@reddit

Maybe stick to out of town retail parks and drive thrus fella!

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theoriginalShmook@reddit

I'm good thanks, wouldn't want see you outside maccies in your corsa trying to convince 14 year old girls to get in.

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RUM1N8R@reddit

I was simply suggesting some car centric retail experiences for you. Bit weird your mind went straight to noncing fella

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theoriginalShmook@reddit

Not going to win here, am I?

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_a_m_s_m@reddit (OP)

Which town?

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imminentmailing463@reddit

Yeah, I don't think I've ever been somewhere that's been pedestrianised a while where many people would want to undo it. Seems to be one of those things a noisy minority complain about but once it's happened people generally agree it's better.

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FreeWessex@reddit

Sounds like my town. They widenned the paths along the main road like they're expecting 100,000 people to move here.

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Chungaroo22@reddit

Loads of pedestrianisation happened in Clifton and Redland in Bristol during Covid. It was a massive success and it's been made permanent now. Those are the two richest parts of the city though which I'm sure has something to do with it.

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FordZodiac@reddit

It was done to my home town some years ago and it destroyed the local businesses. Whe I was a boy the town was packed on Saturday. Last time I went there, it was like a ghost town with many boarded up shops.

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Single-Aardvark9330@reddit

Ours has been mostly pedestrians only as long as I can remember, there's one road that cuts though some of it, but it's mostly used by buses and pretty quiet

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Super_Swordfish_6948@reddit

Ages ago, it was a success for a while but I think it's now suffering from that decline that other towns have went through. I haven't been along it in a while but the last time I did, it was Turkish barber, charity shop, fast food joint, vape shop, mobile phone repair, bookies, boozer, Turkish barber, with several empty properties with "to let" signs up. It'll be different for others but you know what I'm talking about. The local major industrial employer is getting shuttered in a few years so I'm pretty doomer on what it'll look like then.

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BertieBus@reddit

Grew up in Lincoln and the majority is pedestrianised, think this was done in the 70's, my parents remember being able to drive through the city in the 60's. It's way too busy a city centre to have cars. It feels perfectly normal for me that it's a no car zone. They have actually increased the no car zone in recent years and it works really well.

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Numerous_Ticket_7628@reddit

My Town is currently in the process of demolishing the shops in the centre and building flats. Does that count?

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