Insurance is the biggest scam ever made. I hate everything so much. How does anyone own a classic car they care about?
Posted by Deathcon-H@reddit | Autos | View on Reddit | 381 comments

My most prized possession; my 1989 Jetta coupe was hit two months ago. I was rear ended while minding my own business on the freeway, and this experience couldnt have been more annoying. (It could have been worse but not more annoying) this car is very rare and very clean and very important to me. I was hit and other driver was found at fault by the cop and in the police report. I have a quote for $3500 to fix and pull my frame and fix the dent but the insurance company wants to call my car a total loss and pay me $700 for it. HOW DOES THIS WORK??? Im heart broken and frustrated and so pissed off. I just want my car fixed. Im not trying to screw anyone over. Im not trying to make any money off of anyone, Im not trying to make out like a bandit. I just want my freaking car how it was before this idiot hit me.
How come I get hit, and this guy gets away scot free and the insurance company is allowed to tell me my car isnt worth anything when it would take $4000 to find a car that runs and 6-10k for ones that are the same condition as mine! This boggles me and is making me so depressed. Ive put so much money and SO much time into the car and i just feel so helpless. How does this work??? If someone ran into a 1989 Testarossa would they also say this is a $700 car because of its age??? I mean SERIOUSLY how is this even legal? Are not they supposed to take a look at what the car is worth? How come they are able to decide NO CAR IS WHAT ITS WORTH and thats just the rule??????? I hate everything so much. I was going to keep this car forever but this money seems like such a huge hill and i just cant believe it. These companies write $50,000 checks for Porsches and AMGs all day every day how come me trying to get $3500 is the most unreasonable thing anyone has ever heard of?
Im so so so bummed and so tired of dealing with insurance. Theyve jossled me around for 2 months and now giving me offensively low offers of help. How does anyone own a classic car?
fossiltherapy@reddit
I think you should consult an attorney to see if you can sue the at faults insurance company. Good luck
Striking-Mall-5512@reddit
All of it is a complete scam! Most of what we "need" to pay for is a scam to help te most fortunate become more fortunate. The way of the world and brainwashed human mentality allows this. Whatever you put into insurance should come back to you no matter what when an incident occurs. All complete bullshit!
Batfox12@reddit
I wouldn’t drive it around if I were you…. Way too many people don’t care about other people’s property, or lives, they drink and drive and don’t care so if I were you I’d get a cheap running car and keep that one in a garage or something if it has that much sentimental value…. If I were you, I wouldn’t get something sentimental that you’re going to take on a road where people are careless and things get totaled extremely easily…. If I were you I’d invest in something that stays safe and put up
Successful_Finger233@reddit
Yup. Insurance companies run the world. Most insurance companies are heavily ethnically Jewish😬
PositionAfraid9171@reddit
I know this is super old, and I do hope the OP was able to get the help he needs. What a nice classic you have. When My car got rear ended by a guy who slid on ice (it was weather so I have no malice against the dude), I went to his insurance and they wanted to write off my car as a loss, which was a used car on a loan with no Gap. I said hell no and went to a body shop, told them the situation, and they did everything for me. Basically, the Auto body shop fought the insurance company for me, they got their money, and I got my car restored and got a free car rental. What's baffling is the repair was only like $2500, and my car was worth more, so yeh, car insurance is a scam.
Deathcon-H@reddit (OP)
Hey man. Yeah its an old post but still freshly annoying. I appreciate your kind words and sympathy. I JUST got the payout money in January. A whopping 11 months after the incident. I got $3100. I have two estimates for fixes one for $6200 and one for over 8k Im not sure what i am going to do. Ive also already spent a portion of the money on title processing to get the title as a rebuilt.
I got screwed. No two ways about it.
PositionAfraid9171@reddit
I'm sorry to hear that. I'm not remotely knowledgeable so I can't offer any suggestions, only that I hope you can find some way through the future.
Due-Caterpillar3867@reddit
All insurance is a scam. Think about it.
If they paid on every claim, they’d never make a dime. They make money by only denying claims and sell policies to cover your claims. The more claims they deny, the more profit they make, the higher the shares in the stock market go up, the wealthier the executives with all the shares get.
Worth-Bowler1179@reddit
I wish it was legal to hold a gun up to the people who are responsible for charging you outrageous rates and raising your rates for using the useless service you them for every month that cost half an apartment note. I swear I’d make them beg for their life if it was legal but unfortunately they are allowed to legally scam you.
RegularMachine7@reddit
the insurance company doesn’t give a fuck about sentimental value; they pay you for what the car is worth in parts/wholesale situation. for future reference, try actual classic car insurance; you can usually set a value for the car and pay the premium based on that.
Irish_andGermanguy@reddit
Maybe have your parents insure it or smth
TheRealEnix@reddit
Sure, this car is only worth 700$ in parts, suuuure, what about stopping being a boot licker for the insurance companies and demand what we deserve? You’re part of the reason why insurance companies rip us off
RegularMachine7@reddit
hell yeah brother, lead us to revolution against the insurance companies
Deathcon-H@reddit (OP)
Nobody will insure me till Im 25. I have a 100% clean driving record been driving since 16 not even a speeding ticket. They still say no. I tried. Not for a lack of trying or being naive
UnitedAd4821@reddit
Have you spoken to your company, usually they will fight for you in situations like this. Id definitely tell you when what your going through.
Yammie218@reddit
This is strange to me. I’ve had my 1962 VW beetle insured since I bought it at 22 for agreed value. Who told you that you couldn’t get classic car insurance being under 25? It’s also in my name. I’m turning 27 this year so it wasn’t all that long ago I was under 25 with a classic car insured with fully comprehensive insurance, salvage rights, and choice of repaired with agreed value. Maybe it varies by state? I’m in NSW
Deathcon-H@reddit (OP)
I dont know man everyone is telling me it's possible so idk why i was declined. I just don't know but it's not helping me now
larakj@reddit
Where are you located? Location plays a huge role in what type of auto insurance will be available to you as a young(ish) person.
Deathcon-H@reddit (OP)
Las Vegas. Shit driving capital of the US. Idk how half these drivers are licensed even
dav1sco@reddit
Why isn’t the other persons insurance company paying for repairs?
Deathcon-H@reddit (OP)
Im going through theirs. They are being jerks and giving me pennies compared to what it should cost
dav1sco@reddit
Just keep persistent and make sure you get different quotes from different body shops, they aren’t allowed to tell you who you have to use you can use whoever you want, you just might have to pay the difference in labor rates
Yammie218@reddit
Ooooooohhhhh man I am in the WRONG sub. I thought it the sub was “AusAutos”. Sir/ma’am, I am in Australia please ignore everything I have just said. American insurers do not seem to like classic cars at all. I have heard that they usually ask more for insurance than the car is worth so not many people have them registered over there. My deepest apologies. Carry on.
GaryGiesel@reddit
Rare r/AustralianDefaultism 😉
Visible_Outside5322@reddit
Do you have a second vehicle or is this your only one? Almost all classic car insurance companies require that the classic car is not your daily driver.
CherokeePilot1997@reddit
Hello, fellow classic Beetle-owning 26 year-old! Savannah Beige ‘70 here.
Yammie218@reddit
Hello friend! Mine is currently Beryl green but will be getting repainted to a teal/turqoise
SaltNo3123@reddit
Car has to be 25 yrs old not you for classic car insurance
Yammie218@reddit
Oooohhhhhh
Thank you. I was confused because OP keeps saying that they have to be 25, not their car lol makes sense though
spike021@reddit
I'm confused, you're driving a car with sentimental value like that without insurance of any kind on it? I'm not sure where you live but I think in most places you're technically required to have some kind of insurance on it. And like the other comments say, classic car insurance would've been the way to go. Or honestly just garaging it until you could get the right insurance
Deathcon-H@reddit (OP)
No dude of course i have insurance. No classic insurance. They wont let me. Why did you downvote me
spike021@reddit
First, I didn't downvote you but go off.
Second:
rainbowrotini@reddit
Did you try reading the post before commenting
spike021@reddit
They said in the first comment I replied to that nobody would insure them and I assumed the insurance in the actual post was the person who hit them. So, yeah.
hornet_1953@reddit
My classic car insurance requires me to have a daily driver insured somewhere else, as classic/collector car insurance is not for everyday use. If that's your only ride, they wouldn't give you a policy even if you were 25+.
Deathcon-H@reddit (OP)
I have a daily, i have 3 cars and that one by far has the least amount of seat time. Its not my daily and never was. Hagerty doesnt give af
IsPooping@reddit
Hagerty is fantastic but very pricey too. Safeco was shockingly cheap for what they called a "low mileage" agreed value policy. $75000 of coverage, 12k miles per year, somewhere around 500/year
Pipes32@reddit
Have you just tried Hagerty? We have 8 cars (2 dailies, 6 fun cars, 3 of which are classic) and Erie has been pretty good for us. We also weren't impressed with Hagerty's offering.
Adultery@reddit
Yep. The classic car insurance is rated low because they intend for the car to be in storage 99.99% of its lifetime. They may allow you to drive to and from car shows, and that’s it.
regtf@reddit
Most of this subreddit is morons.
PurpEL@reddit
That Jetta has actual value though. It's not astronomical but his estimates are accurate for market value.
glencandle@reddit
You literally just said 20m ago that you got a speeding ticket when you were 16
Deathcon-H@reddit (OP)
Yeah i forgot. I didnt go to traffic school to get it off. But shouldnt it be off of my record 6 years later?
glencandle@reddit
One would think, yeah, if I recall it’s like 4y but I could be (and often am!) wrong
AbzoluteZ3RO@reddit
you should have had it insured in someone else's name then.
UnitedAd4821@reddit
You can sell that car for 1k all day. He is getting screwed. It isn't sentimental value. If I were op I'd call his insurance company and they will fight for him. I have USAA and they always have done right by me.
SolomonG@reddit
That depends on where you are. In my state it's based on a formula of previous sales of the same or similar cars.
IndividualRhubarb965@reddit
These are some of the biggest criminals working with the govt. Free money directly to their pockets and when it comes to paying someone for an incident they want to give crap. These needs more regulation. Give back 50% every year when a client has no incident. Should be part of the regulation. If we saved ourselves what we pay them we'd have extra for ourselves.
SPAGHETTI6661@reddit
Man I feel your pain. It’s disgusting how we pay these companies to make sure if something happens, they replace it. What are we paying them hundreds of bucks a month for? Same with health insurance companies using ai to determine whether someone lives or dies. If you are a private health insurance provider, do what we paid you to do. A paying customer shouldn’t hear the word no. It also seems the police even took your side, leave some honest reviews wherever you can. People do read those, and I take them seriously myself. If enough people are in the same boat, I would instantly skip any company that did this to their customers and shop around. Honestly I gave up on having a car because my insurance just got too expensive and because I dropped said insurance, my states automatic system though I was still driving when in reality I sold my vehicle, but still put points on my license, got that suspended in the process and I didn’t even know it was suspended until I drove my friends car and got pulled over. No one told me so I had to pay a 400 dollar fine for that plus a reinstatement fee of 250. Oh and I’m required to get sr22. I would ask insurance companies about it and they always told me no, luckily I have an awesome job that pays well, and it’s a ten minute walk there. It’s been 2 years and I still can’t legally drive. Even though the only other points I had were from unpaid private tolls that I didn’t know about because I didn’t even think that corporations could buy roads. I pay idk how many taxes already, why do I have to pay a fee to use a road? I didn’t even know what a toll road was. I hope whoever invented those, knows they are what’s wrong with this country. I’ve always wanted to re build a classic like that, but after seeing a company all of you paid your hard earned money tell you no, I don’t even see the point in it. I wouldn’t be able to drive it.
Fine_Arrival977@reddit
Insurance is always a scam!! It’s only business you get penalized for using
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Euphoric_Degree_27@reddit
It's a bloody shame
Euphoric_Degree_27@reddit
I can't wait till they get wait they got coming
Euphoric_Degree_27@reddit
Like cash app payments how fucking dumb can you be
Euphoric_Degree_27@reddit
But there all fucking dumb . Leaven bread crumbs all witness miles long. Just bring as many people down with them as possible
Euphoric_Degree_27@reddit
storts of pimps trying to collect insurance policy from there sex slaves husbands then playing to kill the wife when there done in east las Vegas
Brentmungo@reddit
fuck corpo scums, insurance is the biggest scam
Only_Plankton_2497@reddit
Well yes, you're paying for a product that doesn't exist in the real world, just lawyer litigation. I've never filed a claim, I've just been paying a tax to private companies with no return since 16 years old. Biggest scam on the planet, lawyers are succulent demons...
count_lavender@reddit
Classic car insurance on agreed upon value is your answer.
Deathcon-H@reddit (OP)
Too young for classic insurance. No one will insure me till Im 25.
TheTightEnd@reddit
I do not see anything on Hagerty's website requiring a driver to be 25. It just needs to not be a daily driver and the driver cannot have a serious infraction in the last e years.
Real_Luck_9393@reddit
Who isnt a daily driver?
TheTightEnd@reddit
The vehicle is not a daily driver.
Real_Luck_9393@reddit
Ok nerd then Who needs car insurance and is using a car everyday that isnt a daily driver?
TheTightEnd@reddit
The car needs to insured even if the car is only driven occasionally for recreation and for shows. If the car is used everyday, then it is not suitable for Hagerty insurance.
Dramatic-Project-561@reddit
It isn’t that it just can’t be a daily driver. You have to have a car in your name that is not insured by Hagerty’s as your daily driver. If you only own the one car, no Hagerty’s insurance.
However, if you are invested into a car close to what they are selling for in the market standard insurance is fine. Insurance companies owe to replace at current market comparable values in a total loss, so as long as you are not over invested in the car you will be fine.
The problem will be finding a shop to do the work on a repairable car as most restoration shops charge more than insurance will pay and standard body shops generally turn away older cars.
tactiphile@reddit
2.71828... years? That's crazy specific.
Damnshesfunny@reddit
Mathematically assessed risk my friend. This seems to be the pi of the minimum time one needs to probably be accident free for an even longer stretch
BaggyLarjjj@reddit
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venxyle@reddit
I hope more people get this lol
jacketsc64@reddit
I understood this lol
tactiphile@reddit
Funny thing is I assume it's a typo for "3," so it rounds the same.
karmaize@reddit
That’s not true. I have a classic and can drive it everyday if I want on Hagerty.
gatorbeetle@reddit
At least it's not the last c years...
TheTightEnd@reddit
Fixed .... 100 years would be a long time.
DankestDubster@reddit
I was insured them.
walmarttshirt@reddit
Did forget word?
Electrical-Bacon-81@reddit
Not need lot word when few work.
Narrow_Scallion_9054@reddit
3 years ago Hagerty refused to insure my completely factory s2000 simply because at the time they didn’t list an s2000 as a collectors car. I believe they’ve since added s2000s to the list of collectible cars but I’m not sure as I no longer own the vehicle.
mulvda@reddit
Correct. They will also need to have a dedicated daily driver on a separate insurance policy(ie progressive, aaa, whatever) with liability coverage.
Plenty-Industries@reddit
You have it wrong.
THE CAR has to be 25 years or older.
YOU dont have to be 25 years or older to get insurance with Hagerty.
Ok_Confusion_2873@reddit
He gets a lot wrong
syntheticmeatproduct@reddit
The car can even be <25 years old, I have a modified 5th Gen Camaro on our Hagerty policy as well. They just wanted the build info for the agreed upon value and asked if it was still street legal (specifically stock seatbelts, airbags iirc) vs track only.
Plenty-Industries@reddit
Yes, but the context here is "classic car insurance"
HelloImR4G3@reddit
Im 24 was 23 at purchase i have an imported 1993 Toyota aristo i use state farm and hagerty was also willing to insure i just simply have an agreed upon value of 25k for my car and make payments that easy should be for you too
Dreyel@reddit
Hagerty doesn't insure under 25
daOyster@reddit
They don't insure cars under 25 years old, not drivers under 25. That car was You only need to be 18 or older to get car insurance as long as you can prove you have the income for it. That car was 30 years old when they bought it so eligible for insurance through Hagerty.
Dreyel@reddit
The website says 1980 or older cars, the section for 1980 and newer says it has to be a limited edition, I would think a body style counts but im not sure read for yourself:https://www.hagerty.com/insurance/classic-car-insurance/does-my-vehicle-qualify
HelloImR4G3@reddit
When talking to them i was in fact 23 with a 1993 toyota aristo imported from japan to the us maybe the person who was setting up my policy could have messed up but i got my full quote and everything from them just state farm beat the price
Dreyel@reddit
A car being JDM probably places it pretty firmly in their wheelhouse
SuperRockGaming@reddit
I heard State farm was dog shit n should be avoided
HelloImR4G3@reddit
Definitely has cost me more then what they originally said without telling me they put me on the drive safe and save which i need to plug into the car said nope to that they added some and then i have had the rate go up within the first year but aside from that its good money wise though even with being more then original quote still cheaper and less restrictive then the alternatives i found
hunertproof@reddit
They are shit if you get hot by someone that uses them.
BoardForkbeard@reddit
Elaborate?
WaRRioRz0rz@reddit
If someone hits you with State Farm, and you gotta work with them. Basically, they have a hard time paying out.
BoardForkbeard@reddit
Thanks! I completely misread your comment as if both drivers involved had State Farm. Still working on my first cup of joe for the day.
WaRRioRz0rz@reddit
I would imagine if both people had State Farm, it would double the bullshit involved.
Sherifftruman@reddit
It dies with pretty much any insurance company. I can only imagine the implications with State Farm.
cpufreak101@reddit
Can confirm. Had to take them to court for a fair settlement.
SpokenDivinity@reddit
The driver that ran a red light and hit me had State Farm. They danced around the payment for our rental car & replacement car for months and then tried to say my thumb bone, which was severed in two places, and my nerve damage from it were just “soft tissue injuries.” We had to chase them around with testimony from my orthopedic doctor & surgeon and made me go to a neurologist that then was stupefied as to why my orthopedic surgeon, who specialized in hands & joints, couldn’t testify to my nerve damage well enough for them.
ChillaryClinton69420@reddit
They all suck but we’ve especially been shafted by State Farm. No moving violations or accidents, I removed all of our coverage except the basic and got it down quite a bit. Fast forward a few months later and they surprise us by raising our rates to MORE than what we were originally paying for a lot more coverage, they said due to “market conditions” but I’m almost certain the data from my truck that lexisnexis has been collecting was sold to them. I got the report from lexisnexis and it literally has every time I’ve driven the truck, how hard I braked or accelerated, duration of the trip, and how many times and how long I went over the speed limit.
SS0060@reddit
State Farm insured my slide-in truck camper when others wouldn’t. I spend a zillion dollars with a well known and respected company and they wouldn’t even talk to me.
SS0060@reddit
My girlfriend had two cars totaled by people driving through stop signs. State Farm swiftly took care of her out of state accident/hotel/travel and car as well. Couldn’t be happier.
GJPENE@reddit
Have 2 horror stories. The worst one was a friends house that almost bankrupt them. I got hit by a guy with State Farm and they refused to pay diminished value. On principal I went Pro Se for 1 year probably fucked them on thousands, wasted a lot of my time by can’t let these assholes get away with it.
NoodlesRomanoff@reddit
Insurance varies enormously by state, your age and credit history. My State Farm policies are great. I have declared value coverage on 3 of my 5 cars. Quite cheap considering everything. But I’m old, with great credit and no claims or speeding tickets in the last 30 years. If my collector cars were switched to Hagerty, I’d save about $150 a year.
teachinkids@reddit
We’ve been with State Farm for 30+ years. I tried to ensure my RHD 93 classic mini and they called it a gray market car. They wouldn’t touch it.
HumansMade_6@reddit
Hagerty is the answer. They will insure a “classic” for an agreed value. If the vehicle is a daily driver, it will not work. Hagerty specializes in hobby vehicles, so the mileage driven yearly is very limited!
digitalgoodtime@reddit
There are regular car insurers that offer agreed value. But it is premium insurance. Dm if interested.
MiTruckGuy@reddit
Check Hagerty. I’m under 25 and I have classic car insurance through Hagerty at agreed value. Its not cheap. Once I’m 25 I’ll probably shop around again. I hear Grundy is much cheaper.
McBigglesworth@reddit
My insurance for my classic mini runs through my usual insurance. They made me get an appraisal, we all said "hey that car's worth 20k" so the car is insured for 20k
ctdddmme@reddit
Who is your provider? I tried doing this before, but they would only increase the value by 1k for me.
McBigglesworth@reddit
I'm in Canada, not sure what your area is like. I'm with allstate insurance.
DoingCharleyWork@reddit
See the issue is this guy wants to pay the cheaper rates for having a car that doesn't have a lot of blue book value. You can insure it at a higher value you just have to pay more.
Misguidedsaint3@reddit
Had an 87 t bird at like, 18. Was barely considered a classic, but could still get on insurance. And it was WAY cheaper than my daily car.
Spare_Sympathy_5780@reddit
Ask any insurer if they will write you a policy with “Agreed stated value”
Tuner-the-boss@reddit
I am 24 and have had my classic car insured for $19 a month from hagerty for about 3 years now
NickPD1022@reddit
Age has nothing to do with classic car coverage with State Farm. It’s a stated amount policy.
the_lamou@reddit
I know some younger guys at the local cars and coffee and they've never had an issue with insuring their projects through Haggerty, give them a call and double check. The only thing I can think of is if you've had some accidents.
Deathcon-H@reddit (OP)
Im 22. One speeding ticket when i was 16. No other violations or accidents. Everyone else is saying theyve had classic insurance younger but idk how because they literally declined me
daOyster@reddit
They probably denied you over your income level vs risk assessment. You can get insurance that young, you're just going to be paying more and need to prove you have the ability to pay it if you want to be the primary insurance holder.
SomethingClever42068@reddit
So he should just lie about his income right?
Deathcon-H@reddit (OP)
Probably. I do not make very much.
the_lamou@reddit
Did you actually call and talk to someone at Haggerty? I've found that's the best way to handle it.
MrDaburks@reddit
I had to get a collectors policy for an 08 GT3 because my regular policy wouldn’t insure it. I used Grundy but I think it’s underwritten by AIG. There are options out there.
You can also argue with your insurance. I recall hearing about a Saab collector having to do that with some sort of special edition he had that insurance tried to total for scrap value. Don’t have the specifics to relay but others have been in your position.
_Svelte_@reddit
sure was a long and difficult time to save this viggen
Inherently-Nick@reddit
Go for Hagerty, you’ll just need a second vehicle to “daily” its worth saving your babies imo
WANGLEBANGLE17@reddit
I'm 19 I have hagerty insurance for my 74 corvette
Deathcon-H@reddit (OP)
Are you on your parents insurance
WANGLEBANGLE17@reddit
No
Deathcon-H@reddit (OP)
Well i guess they like you more lol
nunya3206@reddit
The only rule with hagerty is that is has to be garage kept. If you don’t have a garage for it, they will not be willing to insure you.
My only advice is as long as you do not agree to their terms and do not cash any checks or sign anything and leave that claim open they are more willing to give you more money. Their main goal is to close the claim and make sure you don’t sue them the longer you have it open the more likely you are to get your way.
Just keep saying no and worst case scenario tell them you’re going to consult a lawyer because you want the money in order to fix the vehicle.
You said this accident happened on a freeway correct ? Was it at low speeds?
tarfu51@reddit
Not true. 22M, have Hagerty for my Saab. Only a few more per month over State Farm and it comes with a lot of perks. However, you can’t daily cars on their policies.
whistler1421@reddit
Have your parents insure it and you can reimburse them?
MemerDude34@reddit
I’m in a similar boat with my ‘92 Legend. Just have to hope and pray you never get hit
MusicRepresentative4@reddit
Damn why’d they downvote your😂😂
MemerDude34@reddit
Haters don’t have Acura Legends
Yusssi@reddit
'cos haters gonna hate
20124eva@reddit
The car needs to be 25, not the driver
nickjames239@reddit
What…
I got Hagerty for a 1971 when I was 17
dea_eye_sea_kay@reddit
Look into haggerty. I think your only options are to buy the car back and fix it yourself or attack the at fault drivers policy with a lawsuit. which would be a wash. That cars value is never going to be higher than the min payout with an off the shelf policy.
JulianCastle2016@reddit
Get multiple signed affidavits from classic car dealers indicating how much they would pay you for the car, and take them to small claims court. There is a limit to the recovery in small claims court (usually $5-6k depending on state), but it's going to be a lot higher than $700. Roll the dice that you can convince a municipal (or whatever it's called in your jurisdiction) judge that the car is worth more than $700. That is your best option if you want more than what they are offering. Small claims court is more straightforward than you would think.
OgMasterAce_@reddit
use hagerty
godlesssunday@reddit
Hagerty tf
Deep90@reddit
If a replacement car is worth 6-10k, then OP needs to negotiate with the insurance adjuster, and present them with comparable vehicles priced in the 6-10k range.
Insurance owes OP what they started with prior to the accident. A 1989 Jetta or the cash to buy another 1989 Jetta.
WalrusExtraordinaire@reddit
Unfortunately that’s not true. Majority of auto insurance policies pay actual cash value (i.e. less depreciation), which is why there are special products/endorsements for situations like OPs where the actual cash value of the car doesn’t line up well with its market value.
Deep90@reddit
OP wasn't at fault. This isn't their insurance.
What I said factors in depreciation. Insurance doesn't owe op a brand new car. They owe op the car in the condition that it was before the accident.
Odd_Track3447@reddit
I don't know if a 1989 Jetta Coupe is considered a classic car but generally speaking insurance should be valuing the car at it's replacement cost - ie cash value is market value relative to age, mileage, and depreciation - and you would provide comps to the insurance company to show the value. That's what I did when my '03 530i was stolen and they paid me out. So they should cover this to the value to buy another 1989 Jetta Coupe.
Now if this is considered classic or with a more specific market then yes you would be a little hosed unless you had something like Haggerty's stated value insurance.
All that said a cursory search on Auto Trader shows the two oldest Jetta's available nationwide on the date of my post to be a 1998 Jetta GT with 143k miles at $4k and a 1996 Jetta GL with 208k miles at $2500. So I'm not sure a 1989 Jetta Coupe has anywhere near a $4k+ value and that $700 may unfortunately be its true value. I still feel for the OP in that they're going to have an expense to replace something they didn't expect due to someone else's carelessness.
beer_foam@reddit
Does anyone know how an agreed value policy works if you are not at fault? (like OP's situation) I'm assuming the agreement is between you and your insurance provider and the other driver's insurance still sees it a $700 book value car.
veedubfreek@reddit
This is the answer. My old car is a 58 and it's worth about 1500 dollars so they can cut the roof off to graft onto a different bug. It's worth about 50 bucks as far as bluebook goes. Once it's finally finished and back on the road it will be insured for about 15k because that's the bare minimum I'll have into the vehicle in parts alone once I finish it.
16Vslave@reddit
Yep, have my scirocco with Hagerty for agreed value of $14k for $600 a year.
New-Understanding930@reddit
I think OP’s problem is their age, not the car exactly.
DoingCharleyWork@reddit
Nah ops problem is they didn't want to pay a higher insurance premium. Insurance won't care how old you are, they only care if you have the money to pay them.
16Vslave@reddit
Op needs start collecting for sale ads from the past year from like bring a trailer and Facebook market place and start fighting the other guys insurance and his own. So he can prove fair market value.
cl2eep@reddit
Not Stated Value btw, but specialty car insurance from Haggerty. Stated Value is actually the opposite of what most agents think it is. It REDUCES coverage to the stated value, it doesn't raise it. A State Value policy from a regular carrier DOES NOT pay the stated value, it pays the ACV up to the stated value. It's used so that a rich guy can insure a 400k Lambo but only pay the premium to protect 200k worth of damage.
I'm an insurance adjuster and I spend a lot of time telling people with classic cars that their Stated Value policy isn't what they think it is.
ConnectionQueasy5506@reddit
Sadly, you cannot rely on normal insurance for that. I learned with personal property. If you have collectibles, anything with an esoteric value - even if its easy to look up, standard insurance is not created to cover it. I have to have special insurance.
Positive_Ad_7143@reddit
Hopefully you have an accepted any offers yet. Talk to a lawyer. Have him write a letter of intent to sue them for the value of the car plus any punitive damages and court cost and lawyer fees. Then they will realize if they don't take care of you it could end up costing them more than they rather pay. I understand you're frustrations I've dealt with insurance companies before they are nothing but scam artists
XxNoResolutionxX@reddit
I've had zero accidents in my entire existence of driving. No tickets either yet they charge me almost $200 a month
SupermarketTrue9022@reddit
I don't need to read this bullshit ass post to know that whatever insurance you had, was trash and you should have did a better job vetting your insurance company. Insurance is not a fraud. Stop spreading this information for other ignorant people to make excuses as to why they don't have their affairs in order.
JUSTICE3113@reddit
Insurance is a scam
Life-Breadfruit-3986@reddit
This is something we should organize and start protesting about. The government needs to streamline this process and maybe have a government insurance program, even though i am far from a democrat i seriously believe that. I can't get insurance for my vehicle from the late '70s. Even though im driving it literally just a couple of miles. I'd go to jail if i tried that.... driving my own vehicle uninsured....a couple miles to storage 🙄
Comfortable_Pin6521@reddit
You said insurance is the biggest scam ever made - and while you are speaking about car, I want to address this through the big picture.
I think the template for insurance scams goes to health care. Despite the dividends they make from the customers in their financial accounts, they want to make more $$$ no matter what. So they start w/ working with big pharma to jack up rates. Not to mention their endless lobbying in politics to sell their drugs - and many for diseases that have never seen any improvement/cure over the course of decades. Claim denial is targeted through system algorithms and they target individuals they figure who would have no ability to fight the denial once they drain their bank account.
Then other insurance see opportunity too. Yes, something likes car insurance are a totally separate entity than health. However, the philosophy is nearly identical. To justify the jacking of rates further, they will cite higher costs in any angle possible - inflation, claim numbers, the state you live ... any formula they can legally do by making $$$ from you and then deny you along the way is an absolute benefit to them - whether that be a full claim denial or meager bare minimum. They know when they locked you in by the moment you make the claim, they are the ones who decide your fate and rather not see themselves as the one ending up short!
you just saw the system at work. Congratulations!
Imaginary-Bowler7416@reddit
I agree car insurance is a scam. They take your money invest it pretty much, and pay you or others out on any damages off the past, and future profit that your total insurance payments have made or will make. When you cancel, or bo longer need your insurance even if you were not in any accident, they get to keep the full anount plus the invested return. Why not just allow people to self insure, and do the same for themselves, and file for a certificate. And require the payment in full upfront to be reserved instead of paying monthly. That way you own money compounds, and works for you, and you can get back your origional deposit when you cash out. Huge scam.
VulcanXP@reddit
Keep fighting it. Don't give up. Send them comps to prove the replacement cost. Be persistent. Hire a lawyer. Don't sign anything and don't accept their low-ball valuation.
Deathcon-H@reddit (OP)
I want to keep fighting but they sure make it seem like irs impossible. It doesnt help that my work hours are exactly what their hours are and they never pick up my first call its always a call back within a couple hours and no matter how many times i say i want to email they just call me and ugh Im so beat down about this. Especially because ive never gone through this and everyones advice just seems so much easier said than done
VulcanXP@reddit
Look up how to dispute their valuation and other decisions they've made. Don't accept any money they attempt to give you. Tell them you will only communicate in writing since you're now in a dispute. Get someone to help you, like a lawyer. Good luck.
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Deep90@reddit
Have you tried getting your own insurance company involved?
tarfu51@reddit
Don’t give up hope! Part of insurance’s job IS to avoid paying out, which is exactly why they make it seem like things are hopeless and lawsuits are impossible. Think about it: you pay how ever many hundred dollars per month for them to cover you or someone else in the case of an accident. If they approved every claim, they wouldn’t make any money at all because they’d be breaking even paying off every car’s damage. That’s why you’ll have to fight for this a little bit. I’m not anti-corporate or anything, but insurance can be a very heartless industry.
The world don’t giveth, but it consistently taketh away. You gotta fight for your right (…to party).
rootsoap@reddit
The reason for them calling is so you can't prove that they have said anything unless you record the phone call and almost nobody ever records their phone calls. But the company records the call in case you for example misspeak and say something you didn't mean to say, they can now maybe use that recording against you in court if it comes to that. My advice is to insist on written communication, for an insurance company email is probably a legally mandated option for communication.
GotThaAcid5tab@reddit
You are right, these companies often win through their own negligence. I’ve had luck (not with car insurance) tracking down and emailing CEOs, just politely degrading the staff and services. Things got sorted quickly after that.
DoingCharleyWork@reddit
A lawyer isn't gonna take on a property damage case like this on contingency and the cost to hire one is gonna end up being more than the value of what they would get.
Just needs to be persistent and fight the insurance. They are absolutely gonna try to get you to accept a lower offer. You don't have to accept their offer, you can argue for more.
VulcanXP@reddit
Probably true in this case, yeah. But a consultation is usually free, or if there's any lawyers in their friends/family network they could ask them for advice.
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obadiah_mcjockstrap@reddit
I've cancelled most of my insurance , it's a rip off
Now you know why they all have huge buildings
They do everything to avoid paying out... read the small print
element515@reddit
This should be going through the other guys insurance. Feel like they should foot the bill where ever you bring it. Are you going through your own insurance for some reason?
Deathcon-H@reddit (OP)
No this is his insurance. They magically get to decide they dont want to foot the bill for reasons i cant comprehend. Your guy hit me. Its his fault. Fix my car. Nothing more nothing less idk why they get to act like that
itsjustjoshy@reddit
lol! I know this was months ago; but I really hope everything worked out for you homie.
Deathcon-H@reddit (OP)
Ugh i wish. I have a salvage title and 3k right now. Waiting to see how hard it is to get a "rebuilt title" and i know i will not be able to get her fixed for the 3k they gave me
itsjustjoshy@reddit
Bummer. Best of luck to you. Hope it all starts working out soon. Sucks that happened.
itsjustjoshy@reddit
Nope. Don’t let the other persons insurance company push you around and make you into the villain. They owe you for the car. Sue the driver. I know it’s not what you want to hear and the idea of doing all that is stressful; but that’s honestly what needs to happen at this point. The insurance company is going to keep playing with you. If they want to play then make them pay in court.
element515@reddit
You can try talking to your insurance. They may help you and go after the other company on your behalf.
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DollarGeneral208@reddit
Turn it into Jesse from F&Fs car
neodrip66@reddit
That Jetta looked like it was worth about 700 bucks
ImpossibleKidd@reddit
One of my dream cars! I have my ‘95 GLX that I’ve owned for almost 20 years now. It’s kind of seen better days cosmetically. Mechanically, it’s one of the best running and sounding VR’s I’ve ever encountered…
What I wouldn’t do to have a mint MkII Coupe to swap those guts into. Ugh!
What are they trying to hit you for on insurance? I was always under the impression it should be cheaper for a car like this. Have tried looking into a classic car formatted insurance? Maybe even a Haggarty or something?
7hundrCougrFalcnBird@reddit
You can insure things for a value you decide, that is over what they think it’s worth. I had a Yamaha boat for instance that I bought new, I insured it for the cost of a new one, not the value of what they thought it was worth. That number remained static as the boat aged, so even though I ended up selling for 19k, it was insured for almost 30. Yes it costs more obviously, but I believe you can do this with most items. Similar to life insurance I suppose, you can decide the value, and the cost goes up to match.
fairautoappraisals@reddit
You don't have to accept their lowball offer, most policies have an appraisal clause or right to appraisal. Basically it means you would hire an independent appraiser and the insurance company would hire an independent appraiser. The two appraisers would negotiate between each other and reach a final settlement. If the two appraisers can't reach an agreement, then a 3rd "umpire appraiser" would look at each appraiser's reports and make a final decision on the settlement. You have recourse, like I said you don't have to just accept their lowball offer.
scottscigar@reddit
Collisionsafetyconsultants dot com. The other insurance provider doesn’t get to shaft you just because they want to. Pay someone to advocate on your behalf.
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
Completely agree it's a scam, and that totally sucks.
Best you can do at this point is sue. DO NOT settle with your insurance company. Get proof of your cars value, comparables, an estimation from a pro. And see if your insurance company will make a decent offer. Sue the person who hit you, small claims is easier, no lawyer, but there may be a limit that's too low to satisfy you.
It sucks, it's why I don't even bother with standard insurance companies. They're all a scam.
Deathcon-H@reddit (OP)
Well thanks for agreeing theres something. It just feels so unfair. Unbelievably unfair. To make things worse the guy was in a rental. He destroyed my car and doesnt even have any recourse. The idea if suing makes my knees weak man ive never sued anyone. Ugh this is so frustrating
Grumpy-Cars@reddit
Don’t be afraid to sue, it’s not actually that scary, especially if you do your homework. You won’t need a lawyer in small claims court.
HelloYouSuck@reddit
You may need a lawyer to threaten to sue.
imp4455@reddit
Had this problem before on an old Infiniti sedan. Got rear ended by a women who had some off company insurance. They offered “salvage” rates for my car. Body shops want 3500 because of some weird 3 stage paint that came from the factory. Replacement cars were 4-5k at the time. They offered 600.
They refused to offer fair total out (based on market price with similar mileage and features). They even called me a liar. When I asked for their sources, they sent me nada comparable for salvage hit vehicles sold at auction. I finally sued in small claims (the driver), the insurance company actually sent someone to advise the driver, driver lost, and insurance company sent me a check by fedex the next week.
lunarc@reddit
I’ve been there man, my baby was totaled by a lady in a rental car. It wasn’t my fault, but insurance tried to lowball me, I gathered up proof of the exact spec of car I had and they ended up giving me a check for $3k more than what they initially offered just by advocating. Do not settle with them until you get closer to what you want. They are a business and they don’t want to pay any more than they have to.
BananoVampire@reddit
I'm older than you, and to be honest, most everything seems like it is unfair to your generation. I don't mean your generation thinks it is unfair, I mean IT IS unfair, and your generation is smart enough to realize it. I swear us older people didn't coordinate it... we just didn't prevent it.
Our bad.
I don't have any advice, but I feel for you bro. :(
And I like your avatar. :)
kingbilly65@reddit
I agree with this guy. DONT SETTLE. Fight this shit until the last minute. Insurance companies never wanna pay, suing the person who hit you is also an entirely viable option. Really sorry this happened to you. Im in the same position, hard to find reasonable insurance when you’re a dude under 25
LongTallDingus@reddit
I've unfortunately had to resort to litigation twice in my life. There were the initial nerves when I got everything started with small claims court. I'm required to give the other party notice ahead of time that I'm suing, and that made me really nervous.
But it turns out the whole thing is so boring. It's so boring. It's a lot of email and phone tag, going to a courthouse to get something signed or stamped, and waiting. So much god damn waiting.
I did spend a lot of time reading my states laws, which is super useful. I feel like a more prepared citizen as a result. But I'd really rather have that time and energy back in exchange for this knowledge.
Bringing litigation can be really scary, but if you do it - and I think you should, don't be scared of anything other than the boredom and waiting.
Joakester@reddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/Autos/s/OkEIVunYgR
May be helpful here...
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
I've been there, several times.
Try and find some kind of legal help service in your area. There's help if you look, and a surprising amount of lawyers with little else to do.
Fun-Spinach6910@reddit
What insurance do you use instead?
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
At the moment nothing, I'm working on getting on with Hagerty but they have requirements I haven't met yet.
JonnyLoYo@reddit
Sure is (insurance is a scam) I have had the same exact policy for the last 5 years and have no tickets or accidents and have never even used the included roadside assistance but they just raised my rates $20 a month again after a $20 increase in the last 6 months period. It's about to be $40 a month more than it was a year and a half ago for no reason other than they can.
Away_Aardvark_3033@reddit
Beuty
skicoloradomountains@reddit
Scam until you need it like if you accidentally hit someone and they’re severely hurt
77JohnWick@reddit
Hey all those numbers your throwing around Prove it and don’t accept what they are offering. Again prove it. Find listings that are as close as possible to your car and there’s the value you are looking for. They are called advisors and adjusters for a reason.
Dudebutdrugs@reddit
If it makes you feel better I was rear ended in my 1966 mustang by an uninsured driver. I took the car to a shop and they quoted $8,000 to repair. My geico offered me $2,500, but I fought it, showed comparable prices, as well as all the receipts for the modifications I made to the car, to build value. They sent a 3rd party adjuster to my house to take photos and verify everything I told them. Then then paid the full $8,000 and I had the car completely repaired. If you fight it you can win
Stolles@reddit
Does this mean you can also fight them when they evaluate the vehicle to be a total loss? I lost my 2013 Honda Shadow Phantom motorcycle like this. It was in PERFECT condition and had expensive mods done to it. Guy pulled out in front of me and I went down, some minor cosmetic damage but the thing the insurance didn't like was a small dent in the gas tank, since that's seen as a huge hazard and "expensive" to replace, they totalled it. The bike still ran fine, it was my dream bike, they paid me more than I paid for it but I had to then watch some tow truck driver man handle my bike and yank on the pipes as he's trying to situate the bike on his truck. My body and my heart was broken. It was an extremely tough time, but I knew if I kept it and they totalled it out, I'd not have practically any insurance on it in the case I did get into another accident.
DoingCharleyWork@reddit
Every car I had that was totaled I had the option to keep the car for a slightly smaller payout.
Stolles@reddit
Yeah I could have kept it, but it would be a salvage title then
DoingCharleyWork@reddit
Ya but if it's a car that has sentimental value the salvage title won't mean much.
Stolles@reddit
It won't protect you from much either if you actually want to drive it and then you have to spend so much just to "prove" it's road worthy.
sirrobert09@reddit
I bought my WRX back when it was totaled. All I had to provide to the police department was were the parts came from. They didn't give two shits about what they cost. All they did was pull it in and check the vin and serial numbers on the motor and trans. Maybe it's different where you are ?
Stolles@reddit
Yeah maybe, has to go through an inspection and then with a rebuilt title, you have have to find an insurance company that will cover you, I tend to get more than just liability and it'll be more expensive
sirrobert09@reddit
Interesting progressive never raised the rate when I reinsured mine. But everywhere is different.
Dudebutdrugs@reddit
So as far as I know, insurance companies use KBB to assign value to a vehicle. I believe KBB only goes back as far as like 1985, so with my 1966 mustang they didn’t have a value for it. So when they offered me $2,500 I rebuttled with the individual value of just my car, as it had more valuable options from factory, as well as the binder of receipts I kept for it as a restomod. I feel like they didn’t know what its actual value was so they sent out the adjuster. I’m sorry that happened to your bike, it’s crazy they totaled that, my mustang actually had its gas tank punctured in the wreck but just a small drip and I actually drove the car home. That being said yours was a 2013, so there’s probably a database listing its established value your insurance company went off of. I’m hoping OPs situation ends like mine where they accept our arguments but I’m sure each case is treated differently
ZenithRepairman@reddit
Nobody uses Kelly blue book. It’s too low half the time and too high the other half.
If they’re going to go by book, it’s NADA but that’s usually only a negotiation tactic when there isn’t enough comps.
Unless a stated value policy, what you are due is actual cash value - what the car would cost to buy prior to the accident - similar mileage, similar condition.
The problem with “classics” or even actual classics, is a. They’re not worth anywhere near what people think they are and b. There are not a lot of comps. Additionally, comps are wildly inflated by both up and down by shitbox restoration projects and completely restored perfect cars. 90% of the time, unless you’re dealing with one of the service forward insurers, you’re gonna get an adjuster who’s just gonna go by the system and you’re going to need to exercise the third party appraisal clause in the policy.
Dudebutdrugs@reddit
Yeah that’s the problem they had with my car. The modifications are pretty significant and they didn’t really have anything to go off of. They wanted to treat it as a stock car but I wouldn’t accept that, and luckily I kept every single receipt for every part I installed in the car. They had me scan all the significant price receipts and email them over, as well as sending someone to verify those parts are actually in the car before they accepted that it’s not a stock car and the value was actually there. They were hoping I’d accept the original offer but I wouldn’t, and they paid the actual amount quoted by a shop to repair
Intelligent-Many8176@reddit
No they don’t use KBB when a car is totaled, I have had 3 cars totaled by 3 different insurance companies and they all did the same thing they had a 3rd party research the replacement value in my area, something isn’t making sense to me with this story.
Deathcon-H@reddit (OP)
It doesnt make me feel better knowing more people are getting fucked in the same way. You are rear ended. You go through your OWN insurance, and its STILL a fight. I only have liability so its not even an option but it makes me want to cry. I have cried. How come they can take our stuff from us and theres no repercussions?? Its so fucked. It makes me so beyond furious. Its been months and its making me so much more angry every time i look at the car
Intelligent-Many8176@reddit
Wait so this car is so important to you and you only have liability??? If you only have liability then you are working with the other car’s insurance not yours.
Deathcon-H@reddit (OP)
Yes Im working with the insurance that hit me? Why is this unreasonable. shouldnt the guy that hit me have to pay for my car being fixed???
horse_and_buggy@reddit
The answer to that question is no, they don’t have to pay the price to fix, just the value they believe the car is worth. And it’s on you to prove to them the value is higher.
__slamallama__@reddit
This is a hard lesson in risk and risk mitigation. Not sure there's much else to say.
You clearly know what classic car insurance is as well as agreed value policies. Your claim that they won't do it for anyone under 25 is questionable, I know lots of people who have had those policies below that age but that's immaterial right now.
You knew the policy you had, you knew the gap between book value and actual trading value, and you drove the car. That's the point where you accepted the risk.
On the bright side you only have about $2800 between you and having your car back. That sounds like a lot of money but you can do it.
Dudebutdrugs@reddit
Yeah I agree man and I’m sorry this happened to you. There’s always a risk when we take our cars out. Insurance is really not on your side, they’re there to protect their own interests, not yours. I’m hoping your situation works out for you. Mine in total took like 3 months and I didn’t know I’d be alright until the very end so hopefully your situation will be the same. If the accident was not your fault, it shouldn’t really matter whether or not the type of coverage you have, as it’s the other person’s insurance you’re dealing with. They are responsible, not you
NeighborhoodGlum1154@reddit
I mean bro just because the car is unique doesn’t make it worth anything.
Deathcon-H@reddit (OP)
Oh really. Find me a running and driving example for less than 5k ill bet you cant. If that doesnt establish somethings value idk what does. Even if you can its not going to be anywhere near $700
NeighborhoodGlum1154@reddit
It’s like kei trucks.
There’s no reason kei trucks are 8-15k when you can buy newer F150s for that price.
It’s a niche product and just people in a small subgroup will pay a premium for it doesn’t mean it’s worth anything to the insurance company.
It’s honestly a hazard for you, and others on the road given it’s crumble zones and air bags are pretty much useless
juxtoppose@reddit
That’s a bold tint you have there.
Realistic_Head3595@reddit
Insurance company is required to provide evidence of other vehicles (similar to yours) available for purchase at the same price they are offering you. Dispute the value.
Old_Rpg_Gamer@reddit
Lols at what people are calling classics…
wormenstein@reddit
Sorry about your situation. Amazing car tho. Jetta coupe on CH-S BBS. Way to do it right. Looks to be VR6 swapped?
Deathcon-H@reddit (OP)
They are RXs off some honda. It is vr6 swapped with a 12v. I just bought a 3.2 vr for transplant a week before i got hit
wormenstein@reddit
Ah that makes sense. They don’t look like 19s lol.
ryt8@reddit
Thats such a shitty situation man. I get it. I think if I were you, I'd try to get more than $700 from insurance, settle, take the money and keep the car. Park it somewhere and get it fixed when I have the money. Be well man
Samwill226@reddit
I'm in the industry....for one, what you think your car is worth and what it's actually worth can be very different things. The insurance doesn't base it on your loan or your mods, it basis it basically on how much its worth based on several industry resell price guides. If you KBB private sell that car it's maybe what? $900-$1400 (minus deductible? The company will only insure it for cash value. You really can't be upset that they base the value of your insurance on every car just like yours as it is off the assembly line. How else can they do it? You know how many upside down car loans and ridiculous mods are on cars?
Now if you want to insure mods and what not you need to add those to your policy. A good agent would have advised you on doing that. Who did you use for insurance? Did you go direct online? That would allow me to really understand how to answer the question.
The only way to insure an older classic or collectors vehicle properly is to go through classic and collectpr insurance. These companies allow you to list mods and name your price. They then quote you based on that request.
Deathcon-H@reddit (OP)
How else can they do it??? What do you mean? How about base it off of what the cars are selling for? How come the car is not worth what it is selling for? How come it is physically impossible to find a driving one of these for less than 5k and thats not what its worth? How come exactly what it costs at bare minimum to have exactly what i have now would cost 6x what they are trying to give me and you can sit here with a straight face and tell me my car isnt worth that?
Find a running and driving jetta coupe right now ill bet you cant even
Samwill226@reddit
Who is the insurance company? That is really important/
The adjuster has no idea what a Jetta sells for they aren't members of Jetta groups on Facebook, the only thing they do know is when they go in to see what books like NADA, KBB, etc. say it's worth. They have to have an official reference which is what a loan company would use. So yes it's the only thing they can do.
Now if you disagree submit what models identical to yours with the same condition and mileage and in the same area and submit that to the adjuster. You'll need a good number of examples to show the average.
NRSNRS@reddit
Sweet 2 door MKII — I had the same car and did a 2L 16v swap with ACN trans. Keep it going!
Deathcon-H@reddit (OP)
Thanks for the kind words. Mine has a 12v 2.8 and a o2j 5 speed. Its a riot. Just cant stand looking at it right now.
aquatone61@reddit
Insurance is a scam until you need it.
Deathcon-H@reddit (OP)
I need it right now and it feels like a scam
Beginning_Ad8663@reddit
Buy the car from your insurance company and fix it yourself
thatonegaygalakasha@reddit
"insurance is a scam!" sounds like you don't wanna pay if/when you're found at fault for an accident
jmmiii3@reddit
I was able to argue with my insurance company about the value of my classic motorcycle when I was rear ended by someone with no insurance and my policy was used. I provided documentation of the (very few) current for sale postings of similar motorcycles in the US.
I don’t remember the specific dollar difference and it wasn’t as bad as you are suggesting your difference is, but I got more than twice what they initially offered AND retained my motorcycle which I sold for $1000 to someone to use as a parts bike.
jaddokes75@reddit
I have collectors insurance on an 89 Saleen Mustang and it allows me up to 5k miles per year through American Collectors. I think my last annual premium was like $520.
Now the comprehensive i have a 2020 GMC Acadia is nearly $4800 per year and I have a clean record and am nearly 50’years old. Was told by GEICO that I’m “getting all the discounts available “ which I’m pretty sure is a scripted line.
Insurance sucks. It’s a shitty business model. It’s now being implemented by other businesses where you just pay more every year even though nothing has changed or been improved.
The only way out is to go to another insurer.
But your situation requires the agreed upon value policy, although it wouldn’t be the other driver’s insurance picking up the tab. It would be you’re and you’ll still pay more if you make a claim. What a racket.
Keepingthethrowaway@reddit
Let’s us see the valuation report from the insurance company. That’s where you start to challenge value.
aywwts4@reddit
Yup https://www.classic.com/m/volkswagen/jetta/year-1989/ Lots of comps to challenge $700.
hbsboak@reddit
Insurance isn’t a scam, you just don’t understand how it works.
You need to ask to see the comps they used to determine the value. I don’t see any $700 cars anymore, haven’t for at least 10+ years. If the comps don’t represent like vehicles, find your own comps and present them back to the insurance company.
I drive a ‘78 truck and had a claim. They offered me $6K and I found comps boosting the final value to $11K. They also miscalculated my mileage which had a big effect on value.
Disastrous-Fox8505@reddit
I feel like we’re missing part of the story here. What vehicle valuation did they provide you with? They should have emailed you a document outlining how they came to the $700 value.
I looked up online, the state of Nevada calculates total losses as follows: An insured vehicle will be deemed to be a total loss when the cost to repair it (according to the low estimate) is 80% or more of the Kelly Blue Book (mid range) actual cash value (ACV).
Mind you, KBB only goes back to 1992, so I would press and ask how they calculated this value or review whatever documentation you were given upon being advised your vehicle was a total loss.
Honestly without more info, we can’t help you.
0nSecondThought@reddit
See if a private adjuster will take this job. They’re insurance adjusters that are hired by you instead of the insurance company and they usually take a % of the payout. It’s a lower value claim so they might not be interested.
SomethingClever42068@reddit
If you're in the u.s., in most states you can get a surety bond instead of auto insurance
Brisket_cat@reddit
Insurance has always been really funny to me, like, I pay a shit ton every month, after a certain point probably more than my car is worth, and you’re going to have the audacity to not help me using my own money when I get in a wreck? It’s like they through a toddler tantrum. My mom got into a minor accident with a huge pothole in the road, blew out her breaks and broke everything on the passenger front tire. She’s fine, the car was fine after insurance paid for it, but they said they would stop coverage after an unavoidable accident??
TreeBusiness1694@reddit
Hmm how’s that neck pain and the tmg time for a professional
Bigturk69@reddit
That’s what you get with cut rate car insurance.
Deathcon-H@reddit (OP)
Its the other guys policy
sisivee@reddit
Hagerty
Deathcon-H@reddit (OP)
Wow. Thank you god. You saved me. Why did no one say this to me sooner!!
OpeningBackground199@reddit
Keep it and have hope that someone out there knows how to fix it and give you a deal. the Insurance is a scam. don't get rid of what you love there will be someone out there with just the rights parts. keep the faith!
AhBuckleThis@reddit
I use Grundy for my Camaro.
ManDolphinGoat@reddit
My insurance on my 76 Jeep CJ7 is like $32/mo.
Kamikaze_AZ22@reddit
Because private sale doesn't equal value. Go to any dealership and you're getting 200$ max for the car
Remarkable-Junket655@reddit
You dont have to take their offer. The other driver's insurance has a legal obligation to make you whole. If they say your car is not repairable, find another one for sale in similar condition and tell their insurance to pay that much. The longer you are able to keep the claim open, the more pressure will be on the adjuster to close it, hence more money to you.
beermaker@reddit
That's the risk of driving a rare car that isn't worth much.
My classic rig gets driven too much for specialty coverage... I pay a ridiculously low price, but will likely lose my ass if I get hit. Body panels are unobtainium and body shops won't work on old metal.
therunningjew1@reddit
That's pretty close to where I am too. I can still get most body parts from a jy, but I'd be lucky if insurance valued it at $500. And I don't qualify for specialty coverage because I put too many miles on it a year.
IknowwhatIhave@reddit
It's not a risk though - other than sentimental value. Your insurance needs to pay you out enough to repair or replace your car with a similar car "make you whole."
If the average Jetta from that year is worth $700, and his isn't an average Jetta, he needs to show that to the insurance company. Photos, receipts, appraisal, list of work done, comparable cars for sale, auction results etc.
His insurance has a contractual obligation to pay him enough so that he can buy a similar car in similar condition. Unforunately he will have to fight for it, but if he can prove it, he will win.
Deathcon-H@reddit (OP)
Thanks bro very helpful
beermaker@reddit
Having a classic or vintage ride Is a pretty risky hobby unless you're wealthy... That's not really a secret. People drive like idiots now more than ever. Unless you pay for replacement cost coverage or have specialized insurance, driving can be a crap shoot.
Sorry about your car. That sucks.
WearyTraveler-@reddit
If they hit you, it's their insurance you need to go after.
Remote-Factor8455@reddit
Tell your insurance company fuck you and fix it yourself. Sue the person who hit you in small claims court then sue your company for back-pay for the previous months of insurance payment as they essentially just bait and switched you.
Plenty-Industries@reddit
Insurance really is a scam/extortion - but in my experience only if you have a bad company and/or a bad agent.
Insurance isn't going to pay out what you THINK your car is worth or what your paid for the car. This is especially true with older cars that aren't all that special and produced in high numbers - like yours is. Many cars are taken off the roads either from accidents or being traded in and eventually they do not have a big enough market for anyone to sell it so overall value (outside of enthusiasts) dwindles to nothing and they're worth more in scrap value.
The comparison with an 89 Testarossa is that, an insurance company is more likely to help become whole again because its still a desirable car that still is worth a ton of money. The cleanest TR's with a documented history fetches well north of $100k. Even examples that are in desperate need of TLC are easily $40k.
The only way you'll ever actually be able to get any insurance company to giving you the exact value your car is worth - is filing an agreed appraisal document. You have to talk with your insurance company on what their process is - but generally means you have to pay someone to appraise your car and check it out thoroughly. Based on what your insurance company wants to value it and what the appraised value is - you negotiate something reasonable between each of you. Depending on the insurance company, you CAN renegotiate this to a higher value as times goes on if there is evidence that the cars value has increased.
It sucks when you lose your favorite car. Many of us have been there.
If you want your car fixed, you're going to have to fight tooth and nail, because insurance companies dont WANT to pay out if they get get away with it.
What some people do with older cars, is they take the insurance money (minus the buyback fee) and they either fix it themselves from donor cars, or they just buy another cheap car as a roller and move everything over.
BrannyB@reddit
Old guy here: Love my Hagerty Insurance. Expensive old car, low price.
Ham_Damnit@reddit
Hey man, a few years ago I bought a 1985 BMW 3 series. It had under 90,000 and one owner who was an old lady that drove it to church. Garage kept. I used money that I got from my wedding to buy it, basically a dream car.
In the 2 weeks before it was totaled, I spend a TON of money on parts to upgrade, did all kinds of detailing to get it looking factory new. I was so proud of that car.
One night on the way back home from a work function I was sitting at a red light behind 2 cars. Some idiot in a brand new Ford Flex that he bought THAT DAY rear-ended me at full speed. Didn't even hit the brakes. He hit me so hard I hit the car in front of me, and they hit the car in front of them. Also, we were all stopped facing uphill on a pretty steep street.
Needless to say it was cooked, the entire trunk floor was folded like a taco. It actually still ran just fine, but no way it was safe. I got a lawyer (I was also minorly hurt, neck/back) and needed PT. I ended up making out with about twice as much as I got it for because I bought the car back and resold it, the title was still clean. I guess I was "lucky" but I really just wanted my car, so I know how you're feeling.
neuronope@reddit
This is my fear with my mk4. Regardless of sentiment, theres an unaccounted for value that comes with someone having an older car that they know like the back of their hand and have the ability to repair and keep running for years on end without breaking budget. If someone totals it, I’m not just out an old running car. It’d be like totaling out years of education and hands on experience.
Paid for a newer GTI recently. Sure, it’s less rusty but 100 times more likely to just blow up over factory recalled failing parts. Newer isn’t always better and money can’t replace the knowledge and ability one has to take care of their older vehicle. Insurance doesn’t care about that though, so it’s very important to account for that and either accept the risk of loss or inform your insurance agent of the value you want the vehicle covered for so they can find you the correct coverage plans. Sorry for your losses, maybe try to find similar ones in listings and send the images to the insurance company to argue the value. They won’t give you a fair price up front, you legitimately do have to argue with them and prove the value.
Zealousideal_Put_501@reddit
Dude, same exact thing happened to me. 86 2 door diesel Jetta totaled out by other at fault driver. Insurance was only going to give me $1200. The comps they used were all 4 door gas, not even close to the same car as far as I’m concerned. I found a non running same color as mine and fixed it for $400. I haven’t accepted any money because the rebuilt title process if hardly worth their pathetic offer.
Amyarchy@reddit
Damn, I feel old. I had a couple of these in the 90s/00s - they're classic cars now? Sigh.
medongisallsoggy@reddit
Sick MK2, get an antique plate if it's an option in your state, it helps with insurance
Luxedar@reddit
Classic car insurance is actually pretty cheap around here. I pay around 70€/year (roughly 75usd) for my miata insurance as well as 5 other cars.
GtrplayerII@reddit
My experience when my 1993 Jetta TDI was run of the road in by someone trying to make an exit was this. Car was fully covered. Made my claim and insurance wanted to write it off and offered $600. Now my dad was always in insurance and offered this. They have to give you fair value to replace the vehicle a similar vehicle. I gave them a number of classified ads that showed same age VWs with similar milage, and said give me the value or but me one of these cars. We finally settled on $2400. I was happy with that cause I only paid $1800 for the car
MikeGoldberg@reddit
Rent it to yourself on turo and purchase that insurance when you take it out
Eyecanfixthat@reddit
You need to get on your insurance companys ass and get them to do their job, that is why you pay them! Albeit you only carried liability but that's besides the point , chalk that up to a lesson learned and always pony up for step up on ins, and and comprehensive! But by no means settle, he hit you and you have police report showing he's liable period! Get you balls out of you throat and demand that your ins company does their job which is go-to bat for your claim! Don't let them low ball you cause what's the point of having ins if it does not make you whole, you said it was a rental car good chances it had full coverage ins on it, call rental company and request info on said policy! Remember due diligence is key and it will only make you a smarter and more responsible driver in the future. I was rear ended by a drunk driver at rail road tracks injury lawyer did not want to take case because there was not enough damage to my vehicle and that I would fare better to just not settle until they offered me what I wanted looking back I should have held out longer because I could have got a lot more I held out till they offered me 30k. Your young and have a lot of life left to live look at it as a learning experience and man up! Always keep a disposable camera in glove box wether or not u have a cell phone never move cars without taking pics first always call cops and file report , you may think cash is cool but you'll always get the short end of stick.wjen you settle for less than making your whole as in how you were prior to accident! Insurance is a big fucking scam and they will do everything in their power to low ball their own grandma to not pay a claim that's how they get their bonuses so take them to the cleaners every time ! Been driving 40 years only claimed once on my full coverage ins and other party was illegally parked we both had Allstate they tried to increase my premium by 1200 bucks and did not want to pay claim and my own insurance agent also tried to do me dirty by not telling me that if I was to assume the position as the primary on policy that my premium would have only gone up by a dollar I only found out because my agent was out of town and I had to go to another agent who said oh let me see what's going on here and they actually told me the truth f Allstate f most insurance companies they're all bunch of scammers they'll do anything to not pay a claim to its fullest you pay for it they're obligated to pay you or whoever you hit or whoever hits you so hold them to the fire hold their heels to the flames and get every damn pain in your owed! Don't let them take your classic car from you that's your freaking car that's yours no one else's they're not going to value it the way you do and there's certainly not going to be the ones that are going to have to look for another car and then these day ages you be lucky if you can find a car for 4,000 you know times are f* right now good luck keep your chin up and there's always a way to get insured don't settle get on the internet and search search there's insurance out there for you you just have to find it Viking The general cost you less haggerty there's all kinds of agents out there and they're all underwritten by only one or two or three underwriters so they have to insure you you have to drive to be able to function as a functioning part of society so don't take no for an answer tell him f* you you're insuring me because I have to drive and go to work like a normal human being pony up if you have to pay a little extra that's the way it works keep your nose clean don't get an accident don't speed don't let them plug one of them stupid chip things in your car that tracks everything you do because that's a dumb dumb thing to do that's so they can charge you more money by the way anyways I know I wrote a book but being someone that's driven most of my life and only had one accident that was my fault for rubbing neck and then at a chick's butt in front of high school that one I own all the others have been some other Jack wagon's fault good luck and Godspeed n
catheterhero@reddit
That’s sucks OP. I had something similar happen to me with VW Beetle.
It was a good life lesson to ask questions when I got another car insured like, what’s the threshold for repair verses deeming it totaled.
Thickchesthair@reddit
Ask them where they came up with the number $700 and if they can find you a replacement for you to purchase for that price. I've done that with successful outcomes in the past.
Deathcon-H@reddit (OP)
Its their insurance
Thickchesthair@reddit
At least where I live, their insurance pays my insurance, and then my insurance pays me. I haven't ever been paid directly by someone elses insurance.
NothausTelecaster72@reddit
You have to properly insure a classic. Regular insurance will give you market value and total it for a scratch. It’s the type of policy you buy. Trust me, insurance is great when your house burns down and you loose everything.
swinney@reddit
Sorry to hear it.
kittyken82@reddit
In my state you can refuse totaling a car by the insurance company. My father did it twice as he could not afford the replace the 2 cars he had already paid for. Both vehicles were ‘93s in 2004. One was hit by a trash truck and the other was a rear end in a 25 mph zone. The second accident the woman hit him so hard he blacked out and came to at the stop light 2 blocks away. Neither car ended up totaled by the insurance company. If they total the car find out if you can buy it back
kittyken82@reddit
Nice coupe by the way! I had 2 my self. And I loved driving them!
aimfulwandering@reddit
You can contest their valuation. If you can find comparables of your year/make/model in similar condition that sold for 3-4k+, share those sales with the insurance company. Additionally, you are generally allowed to appeal their valuation, ask for what sources they used to come up with their valuation, and bring in your own independent appraiser, which I strongly recommend doing.
They owe you for a “like kind” vehicle.
frank_loyd_wrong@reddit
Hagerty
HistoricalHurry8361@reddit
Get insurance from Hagerty, that's what I have on my mustang and they are great
Visible_Outside5322@reddit
Most regular carriers will do it. List at as classic with agreed value. If you want a true classic car company such as Hagerty, you’ll need to wait. Difference is a regular company will report the car with aftermarket parts, while Hagerty will find the original parts.
soydemexico@reddit
I got t-boned by a guy that blew a red light at an intersection. He had no license and fake insurance. Cop just let him go. Courts tried to go after him but he left the country. Insurance would only pay out 5k due to the car's perceived value even though it was full coverage. Estimated repair was 20k+. I had just spent thousands on the car getting it "right." The car I replaced it with is a lot more boring so I feel your pain... insurance is a racket.
AlexLuna9322@reddit
I live south of the border and mine is insured because all the insurance companies I’ve checked are “Ohh we only get insurance for 20 years old cars or newer” Those MF.
f1shbone@reddit
Welp, I guess im the guy everyone here hates. I work in the industry but maybe I can be a resource. From the pic above the car is in very good condition. Op, what can you share about the car? Condition, mileage etc? What did the insurance guy tell you about the offer? How’d they come up with it? Path of least resistance is to send them photos and comps. If they totaled it, sounds like they sent an adjuster out. Did their guy comment on condition?
Deathcon-H@reddit (OP)
It actually hasnt been evaluated yet. They told me to go to this body shop for the appraisal and fix quote. (Insurance told me they are qualified to work on my car) and i went in and talked to the guy at the shop and he told me he is absolutely not prepared to work on my car and doesnt even want it in his shop because of the age the second the repair costs more than $700 it will go into the insurance claim and a total loss.
So out of sheer fear of that i havent brought it in. But idk what to tell insurance. I havent spoke to them since they sent my case over to that company yet either.
Car is in very good condition but its also sort of hard to measure i guess. The biggest thing is its a Jetta Coupe. The two door. Only made from 1984-1992 but the two doors are considerably more expensive because or rarity. Theres a ton of stuff i have done to it but i dont know how to make it add value since Im the mechanic and have done all of my own work. The dash has been out i rebuilt the heater and ac control box. Refoamed and reinsulated everything under the dash. That took weeks. Its swapped with a much newer engine, new transmission, very nice build. Brand new suspension all the way around. New bushings in control arms. New wheel bearings. But Im not sure it would even be smart to bring any of these modifications up.
Car is in amazing working order and drives fantastically. Probably better than it drove from the factory. Body was straight with no door dings or damages before. It was repainted albiet not the best but it looked ok.
f1shbone@reddit
Then I’m afraid this entire thread has been little more than just you venting and many people giving you some misinformed advice. The $700 is just the total loss warning threshold. This means that his estimating software will give him an alert at that amount and call the insurance company to discuss next steps. Sounds like he maybe wrote a complete estimate to get a clear idea what the car costs to fix. If it’s $3,400 then it far exceeds its market value based on my cursory search. This does not mean the car is only worth $700. The insurance company isn’t out to screw you. Their job is to determine what the market value of your car is worth based on actual sales values in your market area. Sales value is what matters. This means what did the car actually sell for, not what somebody is asking for it. Everything you did you your car the insurance will consider maintenance, so you won’t get dollar for dollar HOWEVER, condition of the car is a big factor in market value. It may be a rare car, but it’s an 1989 and it’s a niche that only a few people care about. I’m not trying to diminish its value in your eyes, I’m a car guy myself but you have to adjust your expectations and look at it from a layperson view. I don’t know if this helps but if you’ve got some specifics you’d like to chat send me a PM.
Educational_Web_764@reddit
I like your MK2!
carlodarlo@reddit
That’s so shitty. What a sweet car! I don’t think I have ever seen the Jetta coupe till now!
Deathcon-H@reddit (OP)
Thank you very much. Ive put so much blood sweat tears and money into it. Im glad you like it
Beach_Bum_273@reddit
Happened with my Toyota FX16, with a freshly rebuilt motor. I argued with USAA for about 4 months before they finally paid me $4500.
Deathcon-H@reddit (OP)
Yeah Im also dealing with this guys USAA. Kind of an irritating company
couchpatat0@reddit
Do NOT accept the offer, get online and find those cars listed for the price you need to replace your car in the condition your car was in, then print those ads out. I had to fight with the insurance for months, but I finally received my money! Then when it's over go buy your car back for a few hundred dollars. P.S. Your insurance guy should be on Your side to help you negotiate and fight this out with the other insurance
amazinghl@reddit
Sue them in small claims court.
xxTriky@reddit
Insurance isn’t a scam. It’s there to protect you from other people’s negligence. If insurance didn’t exist and someone drove into your house or car or property and then drove off, what would your recourse be? Nothing. Unless you were affluent and could afford to sue. And then you’d have a much larger burden of proof. Meanwhile, you’d be without your vehicle or home or whatever without a way to recovery. Thats way we pay for and carry insurance.
Deathcon-H@reddit (OP)
Thats sort of what is happening WITH insurance. Guy its my car and now all of the sudden is worth less than the seats inside of it. Yeah no. These cars sell from 6-10k i similar condition
cpufreak101@reddit
I had a similar experience with a rare 1987 Mercedes 190 turbodiesel. Was more than repairable (given a $5000 quote in fact) but insurance only offered $2,500 and a total loss.
So we took them to court, showed the actual value of the vehicle from sales listings online, judge ordered they pay out $6,500, it got processed by insurance as a "satisfaction of claim" so I got the full amount, the car, and it stayed clean title.
Sometimes ya gotta know the legal system to hold them accountable.
Deathcon-H@reddit (OP)
Was it just small claims or did you take an attorney to them
cpufreak101@reddit
Small claims. Didn't have an attorney. Just researched the laws, my state had a law on the books requiring vehicles over 25 years old to be valued differently to a regular vehicle, they were legally required to disclose their valuation process, it didn't match up with with the state law, showed the judge values for equivalent models, and awarded us the money, got the check in the mail a few weeks later.
redmr2@reddit
You need someone like these guys. http://collisionsafetyconsultants.com/ They will negotiate on your behalf.
DickMasterGeneral@reddit
How much were you paying per month for insurance, and was that for liability or full coverage?
Intelligent-Many8176@reddit
He only had liability so he is working with the other car’s insurance
Deathcon-H@reddit (OP)
I'm only liability and it's cheap i think $300 a month for all 3 of my cars
Intelligent-Many8176@reddit
Are you working with your insurance or the other guy ?? Do you have full coverage insurance ? I have had to have 3 cars totaled out by 3 different insurance companies and they all used the same process, they had a third party research what the actual replacement value of my car was in my area, I was never unhappy with the value that they gave me for my cars.
Deathcon-H@reddit (OP)
Its their insurance. I cant even find a car on fb marketplace or offerup for $700. That seems like scrap value for my car
Tikkinger@reddit
I'm so glat to live in Germany.
We have the "Historisch" badge. If a car is 30 years old it gets it and then the tax goes down to 190€/year and insurance also falls down rapidly as these old cars are seen as rarely driven and carefully.
Deathcon-H@reddit (OP)
I was driving carefully the other guy forgot how to use his brakes. Total neglect from other driver
Mountain-Ad326@reddit
is that a classic car?
Deathcon-H@reddit (OP)
Yeah I'd say
EJ25Junkie@reddit
I’m not sure I how they can only give you $700. They’re supposed to make you whole again. Forget the value of YOUR car…. You cannot get a vehicle that is legal to drive and runs for $700. At the very least you should be getting at least three grand.
Deathcon-H@reddit (OP)
Thanks i wholeheartedly agree 😞 $700 wouldn't even get me the seats in the car
EscortSportage@reddit
I feel you pain brother.
Deathcon-H@reddit (OP)
Thank you
begrudgingly-comply@reddit
I joined Hagerty when I was 21, and I pay around $450 a year for my ‘87 Corolla coupe. Don’t believe what people say about you having to be 25. They didn’t ask me anything like that. I’m 24 now.
Deathcon-H@reddit (OP)
Its literally what they told me so idk whats different nowadays
jacob6969@reddit
You don’t have to accept their offer. You don’t need an attorney.
Find some comparable vehicles for sale near you and show them you can’t get one for $700. Ask then to run a Mitchell ACV report
MaxCliffRAID1@reddit
We should protest about insurance.
Deathcon-H@reddit (OP)
For real
kingbilly65@reddit
Out of curiosity whos your insurer? I have allstate at the moment and they fucking cheap lousy schmucks and tried to rake me over the coals when my 07 grans cherokee was totaled.
Insurance companies are gonna try to shaft you no matter what u drive
Deathcon-H@reddit (OP)
State farm but its only liability. If i called them up they wouldnt give af anyway
illBlade@reddit
Well it’s obvious insurance isn’t going to help and there’s no real answer to make you feel better. The reality sounds like you saving 3,500 and fixing the car yourself. It’s a reality a lot of people face man, you can beat this. Fix it and feel good about it.
Deathcon-H@reddit (OP)
Im not sure theres a lot of fixing it by myself to save $3500 😂 frame is pushed in and its an old car the body is all one piece. Fixing it would be buying a frame machine and trying to pull the frame and fixing the quarter panel or buying the NOS quarter panel and cutting the corner of my car out and rewelding it in. If it were an engine or transmission that blew up i wouldnt be crying about it. It would have been fixed by now. Im all for DIY but i dont know anyone that does their own body work
illBlade@reddit
Yeah I said by yourself as in you take it to a shop to get it fixed instead of the insurance fixing it for you. Good luck.
KnightOfNoise@reddit
I think they unfortunately mean saving up $3500 to pay to get it fixed yourself, instead of taking the insultingly low payout.
They only thing you can really do to try to get more is find other cars that have sold or are for sale in similar condition to your car, to prove what it would cost to replace yours.
Wild_Sherbet_8603@reddit
My sister had an older M model Mercedes but it was mint, they took meticulous care of it. A teenager hit her leaving school one day, they would only give them like 3k for it. Insurance is a complete scam. The only thing you HAVE to have and pay for - but get penalized if you use it. So unfortunately you are in good company getting completely ripped off. It happens to the best of us.
Wild_Sherbet_8603@reddit
Also - that’s a great looking Jetta. I really like what you did to it. RIP VW
Few-Impression2952@reddit
Haha you guys actually pay for insurance i dont dare pay for that shit
Narrow-Height9477@reddit
This is an important lesson for everyone not just OP.
If you have a vehicle that you believe is worth more than book value, for whatever reason, you’d better make sure that whatever insurance policy you purchase will reimburse you for the total value of your time, parts, rarity of the car etc.
Otherwise, you’re gonna get near KBB average condition and mileage values for your built ‘89 Prelude SI.
ddluvinblonde@reddit
You don't have to take their offer. Fight them collect comps and send them to them.
drunswick@reddit
That sucks. I have a few classics, over 25 years old and I have policies that specifically state the value I decide they’re worth and policy is written for that. For example My 87 Porsche 944 is $210 a year for 20k value. State Farm classic insurance.
yoklan57@reddit
You are damn right. 2 door Jetta. Indeed I believe your car looked so good. But hey insurance is a fucking scam and I think they are not going to give your money. Stay strong friend.
Grand-Phrase1875@reddit
Get a freakin attorney 🤦🏼♂️
cl2eep@reddit
Insurance isn't a scam at all. You just don't understand how it works and aren't purchasing the right coverages to protect what you want to protect.
Insurance is insanely regulated and the policy you're buying tells you precisely what coverages you're getting. The insurance only owes for the actual cash value of your vehicle. They get that by having a third party company generate a valuation report based on sales of comparable vehicles. If you think your car is worth more than the ACV, then you need a specialty policy made for custom and classic cars.
BoredHobbes@reddit
get a lawyer , doesnt ur back hurt from the wreck? ur neck too? how about your knees or ankles? did your knee smack into the dash when hit?
KeithMaine@reddit
Insurance is a ponzi scheme. If I sign up for a policy today and pay 100 bucks. Then I total my car 2 hours later. Let’s say it’s my fault and the person I hit has to goto the hospital. Where does the insurance company get money to pay for my fuck up?? From other people that been paying. So in any other form of business this is clearly a Ponzi scheme. Why not insurance. It’s the same with life insurance. I pay 50 today and die tomorrow everyone else pays for my policy that I paid 50 bucks into. Am I wrong?
SaltNo3123@reddit
So you didn't have enough insurance and how mad the won't cover your totalled car?
bulbishNYC@reddit
Sorry to hear about your car. Everything is a scam. Once I became a homeowner I laugh at car repair costs. 3-5k repair on a house? That’s twice a year like a clock, and I get fleeced by contractors each time. The only solution is improve your income so you can throw 💵 at these problems(all unfair) and avoid stressing about it.
peedubb@reddit
Lawyer up.
BlownCamaro@reddit
Grundy. I pay $280 a year on a '73.
boe_jackson_bikes@reddit
You should have gotten an agreed value policy. This one is your fault for not doing the proper research if you think you're driving a collectible car.
outlier74@reddit
This happened to me when I was your age. It was a Volvo 142. The insurance company offered me 500. I sued them in small claims court and settled for 2000. The car still went to the scrap heap. The frame was bent. I got a quote from a classic car resto place and documentation for what it was worth. It was a painful lesson. There are very few classic cars that are worth anything. The money you are putting in won’t be returned if you get in a wreck
Deathcon-H@reddit (OP)
I understand the money i spend in modding doesnt translate to value. But the car be old and desirable does? How in THE FUCK DOES THE VALUE OF THE CAR NOT EQUATE TO WHAT THE CAR IS WORTH?!?!?!??!!!??? Are they not the same???!??? If people pay $8,000 for the car isnt the car worth $8,000?????
Im not trying to argue Im just so beyond heartbroken and it doesnt make any sense to me
donkey_hat@reddit
I had this happen to me a few years ago with my mk2 GTI, I was able to find listings that valued the car enough so they wouldn't total it and would pay me for the damage. /u/outlier74 gave you a good link to send to them to fight it. The initial offer is just an initial offer usually. Also tell them your neck hurts.
outlier74@reddit
You need to sue the insurance company and the driver in small claims court. They waited until right before the case was going to be heard to give me what I wanted in exchange for not suing them. Get documentation from websites like this one: https://www.classic.com/m/volkswagen/jetta/year-1989/ It took me six months but I was able to get some recourse.
Habatcho@reddit
Can you not sell the car and seeing its only a 2k repair Im sure someone would pay sticker-2.5-3k for it. Worst case thing but an option.
moonandmorel@reddit
Reach out to these guys. They will fight the insurance company to pay you a fair value for your car.
sausage_ditka_bulls@reddit
Insurance is statistics. It’s not a scam. Their actuaries say young drivers with collector cars is a claim waiting to happen. Yeah you may be an outlier but they don’t care
i_use_this_for_work@reddit
You’re due replacement value. Make a case, and give the adjuster a reason to repair your car. Find similar mileage and condition cars, ideally the nicest same color version of yours (even if in a museum), add up your maintenance/service , and add tax tags titled fees, transportations, etc. show the insurance company that replacement is 7000, not 700, but you’ll settle for 4500.
You’ve gotta make your arguments.
Skreat@reddit
The adjuster is going to try and get you to settle for as little as possible. Try and find one in the same condition as yours and get them to pay that out.
FknBretto@reddit
Did you not know about agreed value?
PresDonaldJQueeg@reddit
F em. Tell them to find a comparable vehicle for FMV purposes. They probably will not be able to do so. Do your own search on Craig’slist nationwide and other search platforms and send them the info.
neinne1n99@reddit
Can You get the parts from the wreck?
RobyMac85@reddit
Everything people here are saying. Fight it and don’t settle. It wasn’t your fault, my insurance paid for a 20k repair on a roughly 20k car because it wasn’t my fault. Frame straightened, entire rear end body wise, exhaust, lights, any a pile of other parts on an S4.
Really depends on your insurance company. I’ve had others which are a pain to deal with, I use wawanesa and have never had an issue, and I’ve been hit 5 times. Never ruled my fault. They back me up as they are getting the $ from the other company. Fight it and small claims it if you have to. They make it a hassle so you’ll give up, most do.
J4pes@reddit
Reality is they use statistics, and your youth fits in their zone of risk not worth the reward.
LooseInvestigator510@reddit
Your honesty bit you. Would have been financially fine with neck and back pain, physical therapy, and the like.
Not advice btw
harlerocco@reddit
$3500 wouldn’t fix that safely fyi.
Deathcon-H@reddit (OP)
The damages posted on my profile? Idk i got 2 different quotes they were 3500 & 3800 because Id be delivering the car to them stripped already
_CodenameV@reddit
LEGAL scam. Because its required by law.
MooseSweet2455@reddit
Hagerty.
Rendoir@reddit
I have nothing else to add about the topic, but that's a nice car. Good job
Deathcon-H@reddit (OP)
Thank you. She was a lot nicer not too long ago. Your words mean a lot though. Ive put more than i can show into it
Longjumping_Drag2752@reddit
Hagerty. Probably the best out there in the U.S. at least. I don’t know if they cover anywhere else or not.
devilpants@reddit
If it’s the other guys insurance just send them the estimate or better get the highest estimate you can find and tell them to pay it. If they hem and haw and moan just file in small claims court and add in a charge for storage of the car while it isn’t getting fixed as well as rental car cost for the time they haven’t paid. Get it to the maximum you can find for small claims (usually 10k). They may try to settle before court if so don’t take less than what you are filing for.
They are required to make you whole since it’s his insurance. Do not accept anything they send you or sign anything settling.