Problem with one of the first myths tested: Urinating on a Third Rail.
Posted by Kabukikitsune@reddit | mythbusters | View on Reddit | 3 comments
Note: Not sure if that's the actual name of it.
In the myth, it was tested as to whether or not a person (obviously male in the myth) urinating on a third rail would electrocute that person to death. Ultimately, it was determined that doing so would only electrocute a person if they were directly above the rail at a distance of maybe six inches.
However, there are some problems with this myth. Primarily in the manner in which it was tested, but also technical issues in regards to it.
Problem one: When testing the myth, a portable generator was used. These generators, due to their use with construction sites and various machines used there in (in particular computers, air conditioners, and temporary office modules) produce alternating current.
However, there are only a small number of third rail systems, all of which exist outside the united states, which utilize AC. Rather, the majority of third rail systems utilize Direct Current. Due to the voltage drop over distance, the Direct Current used in these systems is far higher than found in other applications. This Direct Current being more likely to "ground" if an alternate route to the negative pole is provided.
Problem Two: When electrifying the third rail, only the rail itself was electrified, with the two "running" rails being left unwired. This goes in direct conflict with the wiring method of third rail systems and their operation. In practice, third rail systems are a two pole operation, with the powered third rail being the positive pole, and the two running rails being the negative return. When the train takes power from the third rail, it converts it to AC, uses it in the traction motors, then converts it back to DC, and in turn returns it to the running rails where it is then later recollected to the power house. Thus completing the circuit. By not providing a negative return on the running rails, and thus no way for the power to reasonably ground out, you created instead an incomplete circuit. While yes, this could still ground out, it was less likely to do so.
Problem Three: When you tested the Urine stream itself, you failed to take into account that human urine is under pressure when it comes from the bladder. Specifically, the bladder squeezes the Urine from it when a human evacuates it. This added pressure makes the stream stay in one contiguous part until about two feet below the point of evacuation from the urethra. From that point to the point it strikes the surface being urinated on, the stream breaks into several small droplets with microns of distance between them. Given the size that a third rail typically is, and the fact that they are raised above the running rails themselves, it means that there is a high probability that the stream would still be in one piece and not having broken into droplets by the time it strikes the rail itself.
Constant_Bluebird182@reddit
Ever wonder why the test dummy in this episode is named "O'Malley?" Very strange and unique, eh?
Well the harsh reality of this episode is that Mythbusters is not being entirely honest. In fact they were almost certainly flat-out lying.
In 1967 a book was published entitled Where Death Delights. It detailed the stories of the New York City medical examiner named Milton Helpern. Helpern details an autopsy done an an alcoholic man NAMED O'MALLEY who electrocuted himself by urinating on the third rail of the New York subway.
Ever notice how after the first season or so Mythbuters stopped mentioning where the "myths" came from? At first they employed a genuine folklorist. In many cases these were classic urban legends, transmitted orally, like dropping a one cent piece from the Empire State Building. But in the Third Rail episode they make no mention where they got the "Myth" from.
Real science does literature searches, and references the work of prior researchers. Mythbusters threw that out the window. But in this case the naming of the dummy "O'Malley" is a virtual admission of obtaining the story from Where Death Delights.
The big problem is that Helpern's autopsy found electrical burns on O'Malley's thumb and glans, indicative of electrical burns. Case closed, real world findings trump theory. Mythbusters made no mention of this historical fact, and acted like they were doing novel research. Very dishonest and unethical.
https://www.amazon.com/delights-Milton-Helpern-forensic-medicine/dp/B00005X65Z
kywhbze@reddit
the entire point of mythbusters is to test whether that "historical fact" was made up or not; it's not as if people have never lied about things in a book to make it more interesting
the reason they didn't mention the book by name is for the same reason they cover up almost every single product logo, too: legal bullshit; they named the dummy "o'malley" as a way to communicate this while still being unable to say the name of the book, ie, it actually is an admission
Conscious-Airline60@reddit
They didn't have to mention the book. But the fact that they never even mentioned that someone had died and the Chief Medical Examiner had concluded it was by electrocution from peeing on the rail, and in the follow-up episode they even doubled down by stating they have never found any confirmed cases of someone dying. They really hammered down that it was impossible and even refused to test if further because they where 100% sure it was impossible. They did a small test where Adam Savage peed on an electric fence and said "OK, you can get a tiny shock but you need to stand really close and we still consider this busted".
It wasn't the only time they concluded something busted that had happened in real life. Like getting killed by a falling bullet after shooting up in the air. The doctor they interviewed to confirm their findings had personal experience with patients who had been injured or died from it. At least they acknowledged it and changed it to plausible.
One problem was probably that they where stressed and lacked time to test everything as much as needed, but sometimes, like the peeing on electricity, it was like they couldn't be bothered to test it correctly and didn't want people to know the myth was based on an actual medical case.
As for the book, it's considered a reliable, foundational and highly detailed account of Dr. Helpern’s work as a renowned Chief Medical Examiner in New York City. So it's not like it was any old book of gossip. If the findings of a Chief Medical Examiner and his files aren't considered "confirmed", then I don't know what is.