US to NZ as a family-cost of moving
Posted by Willing-Shock5598@reddit | expats | View on Reddit | 22 comments
My husband works in IT with 5+ years experience as a security specialist/security consultant. I currently stay home homeschooling our two children, ages 8 and almost 4, but I have a bachelors degree in psychology and 1 year work experience in the field. We are contemplating moving from the US to New Zealand. It looks like the cost of living in the Christchurch area is pretty comparable overall to our current location.
We are new to all of this though, and trying to figure out what the cost to move would be (not necessarily our cost to move our stuff, but any fees associated with moving). And what maybe extra costs there would be for the start of living there that are harder to know about.
I saw something about how we woulr have to pay $7,000 a year for our kids to go to school there for several years, for instance. Is that accurate? Would we have to pay out of pocket for medical expenses for a while before we would be eligible for healthcare? What costs are there to the actual move, besides airfare and moving our stuff? I am sure visas would be necessary, what else?
Thanks in advance for any help!!
SuspiciousOnion2137@reddit
I suspect your COL calculations are off because there are a lot of things you do not know that you need to factor in (I am not saying this to insult you). I lived near Wellington briefly and despite it not being my first international move there were a lot of costs that took me by surprise. NZ is so small and faraway that many companies do not ship their products there so the selection of things such as furniture, clothes, and electronics will seem much more limited than you are used to and the prices will seem high. I suspect (but don’t know) that might be even more of an issue on the South Island where the population density is even lower. In Wellington and its surroundings I noticed that domestic produce that traditionally grows in milder Mediterranean climates such as eggplants/aubergines and bell peppers/capsicums were more expensive than anywhere else I have ever lived. Colder weather produce was less expensive but if milder weather produce is a big part of your diet you may be radically changing how you eat to keep costs down. This can be a painful adjustment to make with young children especially because it is likely there are a lot of branded comfort foods/snacks they will already be missing. Another thing to keep in mind is that NZ salaries are lower, so without equity from a previous home sale in the US you may find the salary mortgage multiplier daunting.
Do you have family and friends you care about that you will be leaving behind? I have never felt as isolated from the people I care about as when I lived there and I have lived in seven different countries. It is a great move for some but it is not as straightforward as it seems.
Almond_Magnum@reddit
Agree with all of this - everything material is really expensive in NZ, simply because the market is so small and it's so far away from everywhere. Rent is high so you may want to save up a buffer before you move.
Access to health care depends on what visa you have (guide here: https://www.tewhatuora.govt.nz/our-health-system/eligibility-for-publicly-funded-health-services/guide-to-eligibility-for-public-health-services/). You also all have to be in good health and not disabled to be accepted as an immigrant to New Zealand, including your children (see: https://www.immigration.govt.nz/new-zealand-visas/preparing-a-visa-application/medical-info/acceptable-standard-of-health-criteria-for-visa-approvals).
How much would you be planning to ship? Shipping costs are pretty expensive globally at the moment so that would be another overhead to think about.
Willing-Shock5598@reddit (OP)
That is good to know. We all technically have disabilities. My husband is able to hold a full time job easily with the only accommodation being able to work his schedule around necessary doctors appointments. But my kids would both have IEPs if they were in school (we homeschool them) and, while we do not receive any government aid, I am currently unable to work full time due to disabilities.
Green-Parsnip144@reddit
Well if you have disabilities that prevent you from working, you probably won’t qualify to live here. Health system is already under stress. Sounds like want to come here and bludgeon off the state. And I can tell you that the Us is way ahead of nz when dealing with students with learning disabilities.
Almond_Magnum@reddit
I would suggest speaking to an immigration advisor if you're considering it seriously, unfortunately it may be challenging to get a visa approved.
Willing-Shock5598@reddit (OP)
I checked a couple of cost of living calculators rather than doing my own calculations. It's possible they were off. The only thing that seemed much more expensive was housing. Everything else seemed a little more expensive in some places but less expensive in others. We do have equity from a home we own in the US. We have definitely not settled on moving at this time. We are just at the point of researching to see if it is worth doing for us or even a possibility.
That's good to know about the isolation. We do have some family and friends. We don't see people frequently, but that is one of the things on our cons list, moving our kids away from their grandparents.
deVliegendeTexan@reddit
Cost of living “calculators” are often using outdated information, and generally just apply some macro economic sure factors into categories of costs. They’re almost useless for making personal household finance decisions.
You really need to find someone with a similar life situation to you, with a similar lifestyle to what you want to live, who’s willing to share some of their personal data with you.
Willing-Shock5598@reddit (OP)
That's good to know, thank you. Do you have ideas for how could we go about finding someone like you suggest?
SuspiciousOnion2137@reddit
I usually try to get a more micro cost of living that applies to me by looking up which businesses in my target destination provide the goods and services I want and see if they have a website that shows pricing. I do this for things like phone and internet service, groceries, cars, furniture, etc.
deVliegendeTexan@reddit
The same way you find anyone on the internet, I guess. My employer gave me some anonymized data from coworkers though.
HollowNight2019@reddit
Have you considered Canada? It’s similar to the US and NZ culturally and closer to the US geographically, so might be easier and cheaper to move to from the US and easier to go back if you want to visit family. Plus it’s a great and safe country to raise a family in.
These links may help if you decide to go that way.
https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/immigrate-canada.html
https://www.canada.ca/en/services/immigration-citizenship.html
Willing-Shock5598@reddit (OP)
We have considered Canada. I stopped looking at it because I read that their political climate had some of the same issues we see here in the US. My husband hates the cold weather and has always loved New Zealand, so it seemed like a better one to look into first. We may look more into it though.
gudmorninnoonnight@reddit
I lived in the south island when I was 19. 65k salary. Free house w my job. It aint cheap. I think gas for my truck back then was $150-170. And that was pre pandemic. Better buy land and build. Pricey! 4 sure!
SuspiciousOnion2137@reddit
I usually try to get a more micro cost of living that applies to me by looking up which businesses in my target destination provide the goods and services I want and see if they have a website that shows pricing. I do this for things like phone and internet service, groceries, cars, furniture, etc.
Dropmeoffatschool@reddit
I’d look at salaries there. I moved to Auckland for a year from the US and took a cool 30% pay cut for a job that was 1 level senior to my job in the us.
zyine@reddit
Also factor-in that you will continue to need to file US taxes annually even on foreign income. If your salary is high (over $112K), you may be subject to added US taxes. Read this, not official but easy to understand
Blindghost01@reddit
I recently came from the US to NZ. NZ is expensive and pay isn't great. Visa are not super simple and what visa you get will impact your costs. Housing is coming down from peak levels but still high. Food, gas household items are not cheap. - Especially when not converting to the usd. Travel back is very expensive too
HC in general will be covered under the state system. Everything else really depends on which visa you come in under.
It took almost 3 months for our stuff to arrive. Extra costs are buying stuff that you need but you packed. Transportation, phone plans, internet and electronics that won't fry when you plug them in are also extra costs.
Willing-Shock5598@reddit (OP)
Thanks for the info!
saopaulodreaming@reddit
"I am sure visas would be necessary, what else?" This kind of question makes it seem like getting the visa is not really a worry for you. Have you researched just how difficult it is to get a visa, especially for a whole family? And beyond that, have you researched the housing crisis in New Zealand?
Willing-Shock5598@reddit (OP)
I didn't mean it in a blase way, like I was unconcerned. I meant it in an, "I'm just beginning research and am aware that a visa is something I would need to consider. What other things, similar to that, would I need to put on my list of things to look at?" way. We have never moved out of our country before and don't know anyone personally who has, so I really don't know what to expect or look out for.
The research I have done on getting a visa for New Zealand has been informed by the fact that my husband's qualifications would allow him to apply for a skilled migrant category resident visa. Their website currently says that all applicants with at least 180 points will be selected, and when I have used online tools that estimate what your points might be, it has met that. I know that is not a guarantee and I am not assuming that we would be accepted. I also am aware that they are receiving a lot of applications right now.
Please don't assume that I have poor intentions in my question without asking me for clarification first if there is a concern. My understanding was this is a place to find information for people who are considering moving out of their home country. So I am trying to use this space to find information.
I am not aware of a housing crisis in New Zealand. I will definitely look more into that. Thank you for bringing it to my attention so that I can add that to my list.
TAc20220920@reddit
If you meet the 180 points, you should start lodging you EOI. Unless you are hoping to get a job offer from NZ employer to meet this score, that would be the toughest part. But if you don't need this employment score and still reach 180, you can lodge now to start the process.
Willing-Shock5598@reddit (OP)
The 180 is without assuming he has a job offer. Thanks for the info!