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Finally saw 2001: A Space Odyssey and am still reeling from that ending. Anyone know some interesting high strangeness theories or videos about this film?

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Finally saw 2001: A Space Odyssey and am still reeling from that ending. Anyone know some interesting high strangeness theories or videos about this film?
I think I kinda get what Kubrick was going for, but I'm curious how this fits into the larger discussion about ETs/AI/Human evolution

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Aralmin@reddit

This movie won't make any sense unless you watch the sequel 2010: The Year We Make Contact. It's hard to explain this film, it feels more like an emotional journey rather than just a physical one. It's the sequel that I think puts the plot of this film into perspective and finally makes sense of what happened because this film doesn't explain much at all. I have no way to prove this but I think that the shapes made of light that you see in the "stargate sequence" are the beings that made the monoliths. They are the true masterminds and angelic-like force that has shaped the universe, at least indirectly through the monoliths which are sort of like their autonomous robot servants that are continuing their old programming even though their old masters have moved on to a different plane of existence.
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billfishcake@reddit

"MY God...its full of stars".
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CaptJimboJones@reddit

I’m not a fan of the sequel. It had none of the mystery or majesty of Kubrick’s masterpiece and tried to explain too much. Although the scene with John Lithgow having a panic attack during an EVA is incredibly well done and the film is worth seeing for his performance alone.
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JewyMcjewison@reddit

I’m glad you don’t review films… 🎥
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HighStrangeness-ModTeam@reddit

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Shirvana@reddit

The monoliths to me symbolized a shift in evolution.
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revolting_peasant@reddit

Looks like a dead phone
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billfishcake@reddit

The monoliths represent logic, reason and higher consciousness (being an unnatural rectangular shape). The apes touch them and acquire knowledge (like Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden) and lose their innocence. Once they have knowledge, they become corruptible and violent and this is the genesis of homosapiens. This is an interpretation of the "stoned ape theory " of human evolution.
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Blitzer046@reddit

Kubrick established a relationship with NASA early on during pre-production of the movie, meeting with key people about ensuring or suggesting scientific accuracy - as the 1968 film endured 5 years of pre-production, beginning in 1963, when the Apollo program was just beginning and lunar exploration and manned spaceflight was at fever pitch, well into the space race. Releasing the movie the year before the planned landings was a huge PR move for both NASA and Kubrick. The relationship continued afterwards as Kubrick sourced some Carl Zeiss Planar 50mm f/0.7 lenses for Barry Lyndon. Attempting to shoot the movie entirely in natural light or candlelight, he needed specific fast lenses with huge apertures, and these ones were commissioned by NASA to image the far side of the moon in 1966. Kubrick eventually purchased three of them to shoot his subsequent movie. This relationship between Kubrick and NASA is the foundation for many conspiracy theories that it was Kubrick who directed the fake moon landing sequences as a favor to NASA.
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d33nerg3@reddit

Highly considerable CIA hoodwink. They hold budget for the Propaganda machine.
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d33nerg3@reddit

CIA hoodwink most definitely. They hold budget for the Propaganda machine.
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whatistomwaitingfor@reddit

For a more in-depth look, I cannot recommend the book enough. What's particularly interesting is that the movie was **not** based on the book; they were written at the same time, with Kubrick and Arthur C. Clarke collaborating on the story. There are slight differences between the two, such as the planet that the mission goes to, but tell the same story. I found the book to be much better than the movie (not to say the movie is bad, it's amazing), but I think the novel having the benefit of narration added much to the meaning, message, and theories presented in the story that added a lot of depth and scratched the "high strangeness" itch in a more satisfying way than the movie was able to. While the movie left the explanation of events open to a certain amount of interpretation in a very well-done way, I feel that the book left the *meaning* of the events open to interpretation and did a great job elaborating on the events themselves.
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rerumedax@reddit

I enjoy the book and movie, each on its own merits. >There are slight differences between the two There is an immense *number* of differences between the two. To me, many of them are meaningful. As to what is "slight" and what is "major" that is an opinion, and on a case by case basis. To me, many of the differences are major. (E.g. in the book there are many Earth monoliths, and they spend a long time teaching or brainwashing the creatures against their will. (Clarke claims the monoliths are active teaching machines. Speaking only for myself, when I went to school, I was not brainwashed against my will--I cannot speak for Clarke's educational experience.) In the movie there is one Earth monolith and it is passive, implacable; it is the creatures' encounter with it which is active. I see no learning; I see an ecstatic experience, a religious epiphany as it were--and that is utterly unlike what Clarke claims about it in the book. In the book the creatures learn to kill others of their kind--have they passed or failed their class? Clarke does not say. .... As to how someone would conclude these differences are slight, I cannot say, you can speak for yourself.) (E.g. n the book Poole goes on the first EVA; e.g. Bowman does not go on an EVA later to try to rescue Poole; e.g. Bowman does not forget his helmet; e.g. there is no emergency re-entry into Discovery; e.g. there is no conspiracy in a pod which HAL learns about via lip reading; and so on and so on and so on. As to how someone would conclude these differences are slight, I cannot say, you can speak for yourself. >but tell the same story. They have the same rough plot but almost nothing else in common--and that is not due to them existing in different media. Story or plot is not everything. The movie, more than most, is not its plot. The book is plot and only plot. (E.g. the worldviews differ. E.g. the purpose of technology differs. E.g. the meaning of life differs. And so on and so on and so on. Even the food differs.) >I think the novel having the benefit of narration added much to the meaning, message, and theories presented in the story To me the book is of no value whatsoever in appreciating and enjoying the movie. Indeed, the book tells me what to think and offers puzzles with solutions; the movie allows me to think about what I experience and offers Mysteries. In effect the book offers fan fiction relative to the movie. Clarke relates some very peculiar information about his characters. (E.g. he writes that HAL was programmed to lose half his chess games--and that the humans he plays know that--to *increase* morale. Clearly this would play havoc with everyone's morale. HAL would either know and perhaps resent losing to mere humans who cheat via his programming; or HAL would not know why he can only win half his games, would perform a self-diagnostic, and learn the humans were cheating; meanwhile, the humans would know any win against HAL might be tainted.) >While the movie left the explanation of events open to a certain amount of interpretation in a very well-done way, I feel that the book left the meaning of the events open to interpretation and did a great job elaborating on the events themselves. I disagree intensely. To me, the movie is not about explanation--having one or finding one; it is about experience, about awe, the sublime, and so on--about the nature of reality, consciousness, and so on. The book is about explanation--about the solar system and technology. (The book is science with some fiction; the movie is fiction with some science.) Clarke will not permit a reader to think. He explains everything, even things not needing explanation. Strangely, his book answers none of the questions I have about the movie. Clarke and his book seem utterly unaware of, well, stuff which I will not go into here. The book has no metaphysics, no philosophy, no religious aspects; the movie overflows with them. If the book has symbolism, Clarke explains it--even typically points out it *is* symbolism by using the word "symbol." I interpret the movie overflows with symbolism, and yet doesn't explain it, even less point it out to begin with. The book is largely humorless--I recognize Clarke's attempts to be funny, but it just doesn't work for me. The movie is funny and in many ways. (I don't claim it is hilarious or a comedy.)
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JazzyButternuts@reddit

The book is fantastic.
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BeautifulFrosty5989@reddit

The film was based on Clarke's 1951, short story, 'The Sentinel'. The film and book were, originally, meant to be released at the same time, but Kubrick didn't give permission for the books publication until sometime after the film's release as he was concerned the film would be associated with the book - and Clarke - rather than as a 'Kubrick' film.
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bored_toronto@reddit

If OP wants to reel some more, they should seek out Clarke's 1955 short story "The Star".
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Octoberfaction@reddit

YES- “The Star” blew my mind when I read it as a teenager. Still one of my favorite Clarke stories!
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ThisBell6246@reddit

You might want to keep an eye out for the upcoming Rama movie, directed by Dennis (insert French surname here) who directed the last two Dune movies.
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Ant0n61@reddit

No way! Villeneuve is directing that?! 🤤 Best director out there for quite some time now.
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ThisBell6246@reddit

I would have agreed was it not for the crime against humanity that is called Dune Part II. Hopefully Rama would stick as close as possible to the book, then it should be stunning.
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Ant0n61@reddit

uh oh. You thought too much starting from the book? For me it was just the feeling that it should have been two separate films and too much squeezed into one. Especially last half hour.
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ThisBell6246@reddit

But it is two separate films. I'm refering to the recent one, not the 1984 production, which in my mind is the yard stick for Dune movies and series.
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Ant0n61@reddit

No haha, I meant part two. So for me, should have been a trilogy. Second one was too cramped with content for my liking. Still a great film by all means, for me. The 1984 although more true to the book was abomination of a film. Not a fan of that directors style in general.
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BeautifulFrosty5989@reddit

>the upcoming Rama movie Oh, that is great news. The books are amazing and the PC game was so cool.
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mindfolded@reddit

The whole series is a lot of fun.
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Calvinshobb@reddit

Such great stories, I hoped they would at least make a series out of them or an animated shorts. 3010 is amazing.
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Lycanwolf617-@reddit

The movie 2010 is awesome. It might give some more insight to 2001 a Space Odyssey. I read all the books in the series and they were amazing!
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Imsomniland@reddit

I read the book first, fell in love and then got super weirded out by the movie lol.
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Usul_muhadib@reddit

Have you read the other books up to 3001? It’s great
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Masta0nion@reddit

I just saw that there are 4 books. Are there just more missions finding the monolith?
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Usul_muhadib@reddit

They explain everything about the monoliths (there’s more than one), who put it there and why 😉 It’s worth the read !
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IwasDeadinstead@reddit

Was the ending the same in the book? I have several Mandela Effects around this movie and remember different scenes and ending from what it is now.
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spamcentral@reddit

You know im starting to feel off about it too. Now, mind you, its not super solid since i only remember seeing the movie once as a kid. Not a repeated mandela effect like berenstein bears. But i do remember the movie, HAL was alive and the guy in the ship basically has to rely on HAL to keep him sane and help him understand the whole situation, why he is alone. At the end i dont remember HAL being shut down or anything. I don't remember exactly what happened but i know something bad happened to the guy and the ship, but i thought HAL was alive. Or it was implied perhaps?
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LudditeHorse@reddit

Could you perhaps be conflating 2001 with another, not-dissimilar film? *Moon* comes to mind
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WaldoJeffers65@reddit

Sounds a bit like John Carpenter's "Dark Star", too.
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IwasDeadinstead@reddit

Never saw that. But will look into it.
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IAmYourWallbreaker@reddit

that does sound a lot like Moon from his description. Great movie
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IwasDeadinstead@reddit

No, never saw Moon
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spamcentral@reddit

Possible, but i have no idea what that movie is, then again i guess a lot of plots ended up similar in the science fiction genre.
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IwasDeadinstead@reddit

It was one of my favorite movies. I read the book too. But the movie I remember more. Haven't checked to see if the book changed. It was one of my English class assignments. There was the scene where Dave shuts HAL down. A bit of time passes, and Dave thinks he has succeeded. Then suddenly HAL boots up again and talks to Dave in that voice. It was terrifying in the theater. Dave realizes he is defeated. HAL completed his mission, or at least was on his way to completing. Dave was under HAL's control. When I was a kid, the message was AI would become sentient and control man.
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glasses_the_loc@reddit

Dave Bowman becomes a Star Child, an omnipotent god-like being like the ones that built the monolith. He sends a message back to Earth, brushes his elderly mother's hair, and combines his consciousness with HAL, to form the being known as HALMAN, serving as ambassador to Earth for the grand plan, revealed in the sequel, where the alien superintelligence turns Jupiter into a star and accelerates evolution on Europa.
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Remarkable_Bill_4029@reddit

I read this fact (that the film and book were developed together) within the last 3-4 days.... Coincidence?
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tovasfabmom@reddit

Second this! Read it in middle school
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DimmyDongler@reddit

Clarke is a master at describing scale. I felt like I could see exactly what Bowman saw there at the end. Amazing...
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lazlomass@reddit

I cannot agree more and it makes the movies a much more intriguing interpretation to watch other than early cinematic techniques
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sauronthegr8@reddit

I prefer the mystery of the film, personally. The fact we don't get all the answers and the imagery is meant to speak for itself, makes it the better experience... for me, at least. It's also safe to say that the book isn't a "this is what I actually meant" guide to the film, even though Kubrick and Clark worked closely on both. I think of it more as a companion piece, two versions of the same basic story that comes to different conclusions and implies different outcomes. The book is a bit more of a hard sci-fi with explanations and something of a grounding in the "real" world, while the film is more purposely vague and esoteric and even surrealist.
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Chaosinmotion1@reddit

HAL is one letter off from IBM. Grew up with the "conspiracy" that it was a warning about computer use becoming more prevalent.
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OGLizard@reddit

Keep in mind that this was the 60's and HAL was hard-coded and couldn't be updated or changed. Humans programmed HAL with conflicting inputs and didn't realize it, so it was all a human-caused problem from the start.
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___forMVP@reddit

Known as “The alignment problem” in the AI world. Once you program a super intelligent AI that can recursively self improve, whatever you programmed it to do, it will figure out how to do in ways you couldn’t intend when initially programming it. Better hope you get that first programming right!
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AnxiousAngularAwesom@reddit

Also known as the Paperclip Maximizer Apocalypse.
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Ok-Hovercraft8193@reddit

ב''ה, G-d spoke Xerox and Office Space into being, now every desk job invokes chocolate (pronounced like collate).
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inJohnVoightscar@reddit

Sweet band name to
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OGLizard@reddit

Well, the reason why we shouldn't use 2001 as a guiding point in a modern era, with AI or anything else, was that in the story HAL knew the real reason for the mission, the 2 guys in hibernation knew the real reason, and Dave and Frank didn't, and didn't have clearance to know, which seems like an easily solved problem. The conflict arose from a plot device. Otherwise there's no drama worth making a movie about. Had the people on Earth just said "Oh hey guys, we updated your clearances and once you're at this certain point in the mission and wake up the rest of the crew, we'll de-brief together." That would have undone everything HAL did. Likewise, if the AI is recursively self-improving and we can't catch up, we can easily ask what it's priorities are and go from there.
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JMW007@reddit

> Likewise, if the AI is recursively self-improving and we can't catch up, we can easily ask what it's priorities are and go from there. I am not sure I understand this point - in a scenario where we're worried about not being able to catch-up, wouldn't we also worry that it would just lie?
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SarahC@reddit

We're training them now to be "super fair" ... I see the same conflicting problem with the data set it's then fed.
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IwasDeadinstead@reddit

When I saw the movie on it's first release, it absolutely WAS a warning, and a different ending. HAL was not disabled, came back online and had control. It was a lot more terrifying. Watched it again recently after all these decades and a lot was different than I remembered.
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WaldoJeffers65@reddit

You're thinking of "I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream"
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IwasDeadinstead@reddit

No clue what that is.
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Antonio_Mazza_music@reddit

What do you mean? Was there a different cut of the movie? I’m a huge 2001 fan and never heard of an alternate ending
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productioncompany@reddit

Nah dude is just tripping.
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ToviGrande@reddit

Could be a Mandela effect? Perhaps he's from an alternative timeline!
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IAmYourWallbreaker@reddit

Or could be that fans of Kubrick movies and marijuana use are a perfect circle on a Venn diagraph
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timbsm2@reddit

LOL you're not wrong
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Antonio_Mazza_music@reddit

hahaha I feel that
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IwasDeadinstead@reddit

Not in this reality. I'm saying, for me it's a reality shift. A Mandela Effect.
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joeglenk@reddit

Dude, quit smoking weed and get off the internet.
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EmperorPenguinReddit@reddit

Our entire reality shifted for you and you're now in a different reality?
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adamhanson@reddit

I believe you.
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lazlomass@reddit

Me and you are old, unless this conspiracy has held up over the years.
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likamuka@reddit

Year 1941 represent! Good old times when aliens used to land in my backyard without announcement.
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MAEMAEMAEM@reddit

You mean "weather balloons"?
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likamuka@reddit

Sorry, of course these were the famous weather balloons! Left me behind with some skin chips that only last year got activated and now I am enjoying free 5G!
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rmrlaw@reddit

I heard the producers did it that way so people would return to theaters to watch over and over in an attempt to figure it out. In the immortal words of Navin Johnson in The Jerk “It’s a profit deal!”
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XtraEcstaticMastodon@reddit

Here ya go, kid: [https://www.kubrick2001.com/](https://www.kubrick2001.com/) "2001" fully explained.
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Yessa607@reddit

Your cellphone = the monolith, "they" are here, now!
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triedit-lovedit@reddit

Read 3001, it all makes sense… a good book that gave it closure.
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ThisBell6246@reddit

Well, you'll need to go read the books. There are four books in the series, titled 2001, 2010, 3001, 3061. Obviously the story progresses quite a lot in the books. You might also want to watch 2010 as it was the only other book made into a movie, but obviously it's nowhere near the cinematics and beauty of 2001, but still good enough to know what happened.
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nonotthat88@reddit

Most scenes have screens. The monolith is a screen. Screens are significant in this film, and their ratios. New screen ratios changed movies. Proportions in the props and sets used the same ratio.
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Double_Ungood@reddit

Pretty sure I first heard Diana Pasulka explain this interpretation on a podcast a year or two ago. Makes a lot of sense to me.
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ignore_me_im_high@reddit

I watched a vid on Youtube by Collative Learning over a decade ago about it.
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LunchboxRoyale@reddit

I’m sad I had to scroll this far down to see Collative Learning mentioned. The top comment is mentioned in his video about it. https://youtu.be/AXynF2RQJPs?si=tBl-00E8I7TjEJCh
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Double_Ungood@reddit

Guess you should’ve jumped in sooner!
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venomous-gerbil@reddit

Yah I think it was Fridman. Absolutely worth a listen.
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lorimar@reddit

Douglas Trumble was semi-obsessed with pushing the envelope of screen shape/size and picture resolution. I got to see his [UFOTOG MAGI experiment](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wd6_oz7KBWk) and it really was by far the most lifelike cinema I've seen. You couldn't tell where the theater ended and the screen began.
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Lazy_Grapefruit4887@reddit

Who can remember it's been decades since any of the rest of us saw it
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magepe-mirim@reddit

I love [this article](http://www.2001italia.it/2013/10/2001-aliens-that-almost-were.html?m=1) about all the various approaches to depicting extra-terrestrial intelligence that Kubrick considered—and in some cases got pretty far on (see: all the rad sculptures his wonderful artist wife Christiane Kubrick made that apparently wound up in the garden). Besides being really cool to look at though it’s pretty intriguing and insightful about the message the movie might be trying to convey. Plus it gives some more insight into the collaborate process he was going through with poor Arthur c. Clarke that’s pretty funny. Personally I like that it’s like a monolith unto itself and you can bounce just about whatever you want off it. But that being said one of my favorite parts is when the astronauts are posing for a picture with the moonlith and it immediately disrupts it with that crazy noise. It reminds me of how high strangeness seems to know when it’s being recorded.
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Far_Detective2022@reddit

Any time I've experienced high strangeness in my life on my own terms, it's been when I consciously decide to experience the moment and not try to film or get souvenirs.
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squeezycakes20@reddit

yeah Stanley Kubrick, top CV
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DrOrgasm@reddit

The monolith is an analogy. It's a movie screen. Kubrik's whole thesis is that cinema will be the saviour or mankind.
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horsetooth_mcgee@reddit

AI (like Hal) is going to have a mind of its own, and will control us rather than vice versa. ***I'm sorry, Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that...***
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Erikthepostman@reddit

I can see that perspective as it seems that HAL might have malicious intentions towards Dave near the end of the film. The HAL voice is so even, yet ominous, not joyful or friendly near the end. I’m sorry Dave, I can’t do that… still feels me wit dread 😰.
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Lycanwolf617-@reddit

I believe everyone has their own interpretation to the book or movie. I just love that you can make it your own ending.
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nogomojomofo@reddit

I didn’t go through the comments so perhaps someone has answered already. Basically there’s three epochs of ‘aliens’ developing the human species. - one from ape, one interstellar travel and the third a non-physical higher sentient form. In the third epoch bowman is “released” into a higher non-physical being and stops a nuclear missile. The film doesn’t capture this too much apart from the release from the physical form. Personal I’d just enjoy the aesthetic of the film! If you do get a chance to read the book you will not be disappointed.
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ErikTheRed707@reddit

There is a synchronicity with the song Echoes by Pink Floyd. Pretty sure you start the song when the final deep space sequence starts (or the last chapter of the DVD)...and it's ...something else. Some uncanny moments. The middle of the song is painfully frightening and then it reverts back to a more traditional song once Dave reaches the 'destination'. Someone else could probably explain better or has made the edit already and posted it.
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ellis-dewald@reddit

ℹ️ Not highstrangeness but a PSA for the uninitiated: Pink Floyd's "Echoes" syncs with the last chapter of 2001: A Space Odyssey. (YouTube Echoes + Jupiter) Legend goes that Kubrick asked Floyd to write a song for it, they wrote the bizarre and very long "Echoes," but before it even came out Stanley fell in love with his temp tracks and it inspired him to go with classic symphony movements instead of modern film music (plus Floyd!). Pink Floyd released "Echoes" anyway and never publicly mentioned the failed affiliation with 2001, but clearly they got into film scoring and then tried their hand again, but on a whole album the next time 🤯🌪️🌈👠🧙
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BennyhanaDoYouWanna@reddit

https://youtu.be/rn7MmS3vazU?si=fhqMymX5p7ylu7gn
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IronbAllsmcginty78@reddit

You watch it with pink Floyd atom heart mother and it syncs up. Can confirm, is freaky
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BennyhanaDoYouWanna@reddit

Echoes is killer with it as well. Especially the ending. https://youtu.be/rn7MmS3vazU?si=fhqMymX5p7ylu7gn
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virtualadept@reddit

This has been going around for a long time: [Alchemical Kubrick](https://rense.com/general7/alchemkubrick.htm)
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-Angelus-Novus-@reddit

[https://www.patreon.com/posts/coming-soon-102182091?utm\_medium=clipboard\_copy&utm\_source=copyLink&utm\_campaign=postshare\_fan&utm\_content=join\_link](https://www.patreon.com/posts/coming-soon-102182091?utm_medium=clipboard_copy&utm_source=copyLink&utm_campaign=postshare_fan&utm_content=join_link) Stephen Snyder aka Recluse of the podcast The Farm has a book coming out soon about this very topic. Looks promising. He has also talked at length about Kubrick on the podcast. [Here is one such episode](https://shows.acast.com/exclusive-subscribers-shows/episodes/the-occulted-cinema-of-stanley-kubrick-david-lynch-w-william). Highly recommended the podcast in general.
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qube_TA@reddit

Always found Clarke to be fascinating, there's so many clips and interviews with him where he has the whole 21st century figured out. I remember hearing an interview with Mike Oldfield (the musician had made a concept album based on his short story 'The Songs of Distant Earth'), he'd gone over to Sri Lanka to meet him, but before he got to actually see him he had to watch a short film that covered all the FAQs about Clarke so he didn't end up asking any questions he'd been asked a million times already. That's got to be the ultimate life goal, someone has to watch an orientation film before they're allowed to talk to you.
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Aljoshean@reddit

Watch "Room 237" for a documentary that goes into great detail regarding this film and also The Shining.
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NightVision0@reddit

Frankly I believe that is a very piss-poor documentary with verifiable inaccuracies
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dapala1@reddit

The book (sort of) explains it. It's still a mind fuck: These aliens are super evolved over billions of years and have transcended the need for physical medium to live. There consciousness is like blobs of energy. They go around the universe finding life and seeding intelligence. In the book the end is kinda skewed to the alien's perspective. When Bowman enters the Monolith, he starts a transition to be like one of the aliens "a blob of energy." So Bowman's mind is experiencing shit that no human can understand. So in the movie Kubrick just put a shit load of crazy stuff that the audience would go WTF is this?! It was literally filmed to make zero sense to the viewer. During this process the aliens were reading Bowman's mind and wanted to comfort his transition and give him a proper "human" death experience. Bowman loved elegant hotels so they gave him that backdrop. He always imagined he would live to old age to they simulated accelerated ageing to he could die comfortablely in his bed as an old man. Then you see him as the Star Child. The last scene is to show that he was picked to look after the Earth as a sort of ambassador.
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Merky600@reddit

2001 is the start of the Third Millennium. First was the apes Second us. Third…the ending that we see.
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Viperwaves@reddit

We're living in it
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happychillmoremusic@reddit

Is this actually good?
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Expensive-Scholar-68@reddit

I read online fairly recently that Kubrick was trying to show that the ‘others’ liked to maintain a human zoo.
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IceyCoolRunnings@reddit

So basically, aliens exist. These aliens placed a monolith on earth which gave sentience/consciousness to monkeys and created man. Man accelerates technologically and is lured to another monolith found in space. This monolith was only accessible once man had achieved the feat of space travel. The aliens put it there in order to procure a specimen of Man, or what has become of the monkeys they interfered with through the first monolith. Hal is this specimen and they put him in a zoo, that’s what that room is. Then they further evolve him and he turns into a “star child”, that’s apparently the next step in evolution, monkey to man to giant fetus. Fin.
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Commie-cough-virus@reddit

You’re confusing HAL with Bowman.
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IceyCoolRunnings@reddit

Ah thanks, edited.
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frodosdream@reddit

There are many conspiracy theories and discussionn about director Stanley Kubrick and what he seems to have known about our reality, including *Dr. Strangelove, Eyes Wide Shut* and *2001: A Space Odyssey. Arguably he was conscious of a wider reality than most people seem to live in.
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DrGuitar72@reddit

Kubrick himself said he didn't understand the film
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realpokle@reddit

If you wan’t a full explanation, look up “hour of the time, dawn of man” on youtube. he breaks down the symbology and meaning(s) of the film
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Calvinshobb@reddit

First thing you need to do is read the book. It’s super short and a complete page turner.
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trs1004@reddit

It’s the story of the dawn of man. Listen to bill coopers Spotify series the mysteries of Babylon and his first episode dissects the movie. There’s a sequel too.
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pawesome_Rex@reddit

Look up toynbee tiles.
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Pura_vidas@reddit

Collative Learning on YT can fill you in.
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slappytheclown@reddit

Love that guy
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vismundcygnus34@reddit

Kubrick explicitly answers what the ending was about at some point, it's findable online somewhere.
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Revchimp@reddit

https://youtu.be/er_o82OMlNM?si=qsRCZmJ7fsIW6L7E
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originalbL1X@reddit

We would have to assume the return of the Star Child takes place after *2010: The Year We Make Contact* since no mention of it occurred in the movie…so, some time did pass in the zoo.
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_Neo_____@reddit

No, the same scene is present in the book, and unlike the film the outcome is different, if you want I'll tell you what happens.
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xtremebox@reddit

I'm not personally effected, but thanks for being conscious and asking instead of just saying spoilers. I wish more people were like you :)
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originalbL1X@reddit

Maybe it would be better if I read them myself.
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_Neo_____@reddit

The book is sensational, it's an experience apart from the film, almost as if the book were a total reinterpretation of the film, both are sensational, read the book.
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originalbL1X@reddit

I will, thank you.
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Sorry_Pomelo_530@reddit

https://open.spotify.com/episode/3W7mpx9O3fMReD9bPTjcXe
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CaptainJax@reddit

NOICE!! I remember listening to his Babylon series decades ago, the man knew how to tell a story!
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Swamp-Balloon@reddit

I believe that UFOs are our monolith so to speak. A catalyst for paradigm shift.
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VistaBox@reddit

Daisy……Daisy
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Professional_Slip836@reddit

Similar to the moon landings….?
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CodykoolMusic@reddit

At the end Dave lands on Jupiter and is basically imprisoned by these 4th dimensional beings that basically put him on display. We see him living out the rest of his life in captivity. We know this because the furniture and art and everything does not coincide with eachother. There are different pieces from different eras that just shouldn’t go together. The 4D aliens (which we cannot perceive) have thrown together this "human aquarium" not knowing really what is ideal human living quarters. The lights on the floor are also a giveaway that this isn’t a normal room.
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Woodstovia@reddit

Not necessarily a high strangeness theory but what I think the film is trying to say: In the opening we see early humans who live in caves, only eat vegetables and are scared of predators. Even when they have numbers on their side they back off from the other early human tribe. When they evolve they begin to eat meat, they fight off the predators and are able to sleep more comfortably outside of their cave. In the future we see that humans are struggling to live in space - although the music for the early space sections is upbeat and wonderous we can see that people are struggling, they eat highly processed foods and live in ships that are lifeless and sterile - only white with blazing lumen strips up above. The people can't even walk around freely. At the end of the movie we pass through an explosion or colour and natural shapes to see a human living in space. Instead of sterility he lives surrounded by art and sleeps in a large bed instead of a pod. When he eats we see him eat meat, this comes after the human has fought off HAL (the new predator). IMO the movie is about humans evolving again to live comfortably in space like how the early humans evolved to live more comfortably on earth
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SkyKingQ400@reddit

I’m sorry OP I’m afraid I can’t do that.
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Sickle_and_hamburger@reddit

rumours it was a part of a cover up to film the fake moon landing
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rougekhmero@reddit

33 years after this film in 2001 the towers came down in Manhattan. Directly across the street stands a big black monolith modeled after the one from the movie. Pretty weird. I'm pretty sure this is a whole damned rabbit hole. I recall travelling down it once many moons ago.
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Lelabear@reddit

Yeah, I went down that rabbit hole once. Found the guest list for that Monolith motel that day, it was a bunch of obscure (to us) royalty and sultans and such. Just the type to want a front row seat.
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revolting_peasant@reddit

To put themselves in unnecessary physical danger?
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RobTheHeartThrob@reddit

I'd love to hear more about that if there's anything more to tell. Or a link or something in the right direction.
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Fickle-Salamander-65@reddit

Tell us more!
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ArmLegLegArm_Head@reddit

My theory is that the final monolith was for Hal, an advanced intelligence, not for humans, and therefore the “information download/psychedelic light show” is incompressible to our lesser minds.
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SuperFjord@reddit

In the end segment, pay attention to the actual black border of the screen, and prepare to blow your mind. Collative Learning on Youtube goes into depth about it and the relevance to the Monolith.
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Art-of-drawing@reddit

The monolith in the beginning is not alien, according to Kubrick
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_Neo_____@reddit

It's a computer, if you look closely HAL 9000 is the monolith from the film, but made by humans, almost as if they were trying to recreate it.
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originalbL1X@reddit

So, perhaps stating that AI would be the trigger for the next stage in human evolution.
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Diego_DeLaMuncha@reddit

This is a wild interpretation, but it sounds right, huh. Wouldn’t it be wild if HAL was simply a training program designed to trigger human evolution?
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Ishmael760@reddit

One way to look at is the before and after w AI. HAL is the first working AI and is used to control humanities greatest space effort. Fucker comes right off the rails because humans lie and turns into Stalin killing everyone to remain in control. Jump in time and AI is indestructible and creating and controlling life and death of species. It’s AI that sparks human genius that results in using tools to kill. The weapon is thrown up into the air in celebration of its supremacy and is instantly jumped in time to turn into an orbiting satellite. Life doesn’t create anything AI does. AI is self perpetuating. What we see in 2001 is AI’s life cycle. And that is it.
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originalbL1X@reddit

I mean as an important feat of mankind that gets noticed by they with the power to bestow the gift of evolution upon the species. HAL made a conscious decision and at that moment humans had created a new vessel for consciousness.
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_Neo_____@reddit

This is exactly what happens in the film and the book, that monolith made humans evolve their ability to think, SPOILERS ahead, the Monolith is an alien computer that searches for living beings that may be capable of becoming intelligent beings, like humans, he finds the ancestors of human beings and makes them stop being prey and become predators.
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originalbL1X@reddit

I was mostly referring to the AI bit being the trigger. I had never considered that HAL was their monolith. That being said, there was the monolith on the moon…which makes sense because exploring the moon would be an appropriate trigger (maybe ‘gate’ would be the better word) because it would require humans to be advanced enough to both make it there and establish a colony with the capability of scanning for and mining objects beneath the surface, a pretty significant feat considering where we came from.
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_Neo_____@reddit

Yes, the purpose of the monolith on the moon is exactly this, when the human airs make contact it sends the signal to the great Monolith, or the portal, depending on how you interpret it, but that's a topic for the other books.
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Tanstaafl2100@reddit

IIRC the monolith TMA-1 (Tycho Magnetic Anomaly 1) was buried, the human scientific team had to excavate it. It was sunlight finally hitting TMA-1 after being buried for eons which activated the signal which was beamed back (via the Jupiter monolith and then hyperspace) to the makers (or caretakers). The signal alerted the makers that intelligent life had advanced enough to journey from the Earth to the Moon and was ready for the next step in aided evolution
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_Neo_____@reddit

Thanks for describing what happens, I have to read the book again, I forgot to mention that the Monolith was buried.
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Ishmael760@reddit

And they had ham sandwiches and coffee in the Moon buggy shuttle on their way to the crater excavation. The scenes on the way to and in the space station and with the Russians is one of my favorite in all movies.
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originalbL1X@reddit

How many are there?
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_Neo_____@reddit

It is never said how many there are, but it is supposed that there are hundreds or thousands, since they are all over the universe, in groups, in the first book there are 4
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originalbL1X@reddit

lol,I meant the books
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_Neo_____@reddit

Oh, the same applies, but there will be colossal monoliths in the book, like 4
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originalbL1X@reddit

🤣 I mean, how many books are there in the series?
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_Neo_____@reddit

oh lol, there are four, 2001, 2010, 2061, 3001, and about the monoliths and I got the number wrong by a few million.
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originalbL1X@reddit

Right on. I’m going to read them. Thanks for the conversations!
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_Neo_____@reddit

Have a good read
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Shirvana@reddit

I think it's presence means evolution is about to occur or is occurring.
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JazzyButternuts@reddit

One of the most thought provoking films of all time.
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OGLizard@reddit

It's worth reading the book, it explains so much more than Kubrick could get across. It's basically a novel on which to base the screenplay, so there's some changes to the story, but it's a quick read.
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AL_Deadhead@reddit

Stanley Kubrick movies are abstract. There are underlying meanings in every scene. You can research on the internet.
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1028927362@reddit

Read the book. It explains everything.
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BroNersham@reddit

Check out Rob Agee’s “Collative Learning” channel on YouTube. He also has a website with a wealth of information about movies.
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Catablepas@reddit

Kubrick filmed this at the same time he was faking the moon landing
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nghbrhd_slackr87@reddit

Took a college course in that studio
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Ok_Golf_760@reddit

He transcends the void as an ever evolving star child… ?? maybe..??
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_Neo_____@reddit

This scene means that he was reborn, which is why the song "Thus Spoke Zaratrusta" plays in the film l, in the book called Thus Spoke Zaratrusta Nietzsche ( The autor ) talks about an Übermensch, superman in translation, which is the new version of the human being, who detached himself from all human pleasures, concepts and beliefs, that's what that scene represents, the birth of the Übermensch. So the choice of Zaratrusta's song at the beginning of the film makes perfect sense, because at the moment the monkey picked up the bone he also became a summer of his best, I think you can understand.
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Ok_Golf_760@reddit

That’s what I said
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domador_de_anos@reddit

I recommend you watch part 2, it's also very good
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_Neo_____@reddit

I wouldn't say very good, it's good, but it doesn't come close to the 2001
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domador_de_anos@reddit

Agree
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Im1dv8@reddit

Read the book. It was the first full book I read at 10 years old. Just read it with my 13yr old son then watched the movie. At least read the last few chapters. I believe it explains so much more.
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SomeFunnyGuy@reddit

Absorbed we are like the cup of tea. The cup and tea unknowing, forged by the mind and hand of its creator. The tea, created by the creators creator. Both of which are designed unknowingly, unconnected, in an attempt to improve and further the path of life.
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SirkGryphon6996@reddit

Read the books by Arthur C Clarke. Much better.
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defiCosmos@reddit

Play Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon album while watching. It syncs perfectly.
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