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Why don't American shopping malls have grocery stores?

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We just visited Florida & went to three Malls, none seemed to have supermarkets/grocery stores? Was this unusual & why?

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HotSteak@reddit

It's a reasonable idea on it's face. I think malls are for leisurely browsing from store to store while going to get groceries is more like a chore. Once you have groceries with you you won't be shopping any more. And you aren't going to spend time leisurely shopping while an important chore like getting groceries needs to be done.
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Midan71@reddit

That is why you do the grocery shopping after you've done the other stuff. Saves you having to drive somewhere else..
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ALoungerAtTheClubs@reddit

The idea of a traditional (indoor) mall is that you linger there for a while, going to different stores, eating at the food court, maybe seeing a movie. You can't do that if you have a bunch of food, nor do the other stores want you to carry your perishables through them. More contemporary outdoor malls/lifestyle centers/whatever you want to call them often have a grocery store either as part of it or very nearby.
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Midan71@reddit

That is why you do the food shopping after everything else.
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TenNinetythree@reddit

Here in Ireland, I see it a lot. It is generally the last location I go to when going to a mall
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xiviajikx@reddit

I find Whole Foods in a lot of these.
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Fantastic_Rock_3836@reddit

Right, if I did all the normal mall stuff I'm not going grocery shopping after. Other people might, I just wouldn't have the energy.
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w84primo@reddit

I just can’t imagine doing my grocery shopping at the nearest malls in Central Florida. They are just extremely busy with tourists and you’ll be lucky to find a parking spot somewhat close by. Now I’m imagining pushing a shopping cart with groceries plus whatever I went to the mall for. Now where do I put the cart.
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rockresy@reddit (OP)

Hmmmm, Orlando Mall (Florida Mall I think) was crazy, the one in Miami was dead. We have places to put your cart (trolly here) all over the car parks. Different country, different vibe I guess, in Australia it's a 'one stop shop' with butchers, bakers, fishmongers, fruit/veg stores & supermarkets.
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FireandIceBringer@reddit

You would find all that in a gorcery store and not go to a shopping mall here. 
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Midan71@reddit

You can find that all in a grocery store in Australia too. It's really a choice to visit and support the local individual stores or not.
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Kcb1986@reddit

I can't vouch for everywhere but a grocery company called Albertson's has two locations that you're kinda describing. [This one](https://local.albertsons.com/id/meridian/3499-e-fairview-ave.html) is called an Albertson's Market Street in Meridian, Idaho. Butchers, bakers, confectionaries, wine bar, sushi bar, deli, massive fruit and vegetable section, etc. It's one of the largest grocery stores I have ever been to in my life. If I couldn't find it in the Market Street, I am assuming it didn't exist in the United States.
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w84primo@reddit

Yeah, Florida mall is always like that. I’ve almost been run over just walking through the parking lot. I couldn’t imagine trying to navigate it with a shopping cart
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rockresy@reddit (OP)

Yup, it was mental. Lots of people stalking for a parking space, we left & parked across the road in an empty carpark, it was a quick walk back & watching the same people still doing endless laps
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PlannedSkinniness@reddit

Which is why it would be miserable to do grocery shopping at a place like that. Just want a gallon of milk? It’s an hour long stressful endeavor.
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w84primo@reddit

Lol yeah! I usually park quite a ways away. That’s actually where I almost got hit. Had to jump out of the way. Same person almost hit a kid as well.
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rockresy@reddit (OP)

That happens here, but only in the weeks before Christmas when people lose their minds...
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cherrycokeicee@reddit

what do you do with your cart and groceries while you're in the rest of the mall (like if you're shopping for clothes or makeup or something)? or do you make sure to get groceries at the end of your shopping trip?
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rockresy@reddit (OP)

Just drop stuff at your car first then do groceries if you've bought a lot of other stuff.
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clearliquidclearjar@reddit

Everything would melt.
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ColossusOfChoads@reddit

'Freezer bags' are more of a thing in Europe, from what I've seen. These big insulated bags where you chuck in a bunch of those plastic 'blue ice' thingies. But then it doesn't get Florida hot there.
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clearliquidclearjar@reddit

Yeah, I was going to say. I have those bags so my stuff makes it home from the grocery store right after I shop. But a car sitting in a lot can easily hit 125F on a sunny summer day. Everything will melt and any spray cans are likely to explode.
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palishkoto@reddit

The latter in my experience (we have some malls in the UK that have supermarkets), so you just plan it so you do your non-perishable shopping for clothes or books or whatever and then on your way out you go via the supermarket, which will usually have its own external exit anyway into the bus station/car park. I quite like it because I personally hate food shopping lol, so I feel like I've not spent a trip on only going to do the weekly shop.
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SpiritOfDefeat@reddit

If you’re looking a place with multiple independent vendors who specialize in produce, butchering, seafood, dairy, etc. Framers markets kind of fill that niche.
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jastay3@reddit

Because grocery stores are one step above warehouses. They are large and dispense lots of goods much of it basic. Malls deal in slightly less basic items-you can find gift shops at malls.
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kalashbash-2302@reddit

It's actually not uncommon for malls in the USA to have grocery stores. It's just more/less common based on what region of the country you're in. For example, it's very common in malls in the Midwest.
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Wermys@reddit

It is changing. Some malls actually are evolving that way. Where specialty stores focusing on a certain type of ethnic group traditional groceries are able to be purchased. It depends on the area of the country though.
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SailorPlanetos_@reddit

Most of the malls have gone out of business or are going out of business, but when the were newer here, there would usually already be a grocery store not too far away. The idea was that you were supposed to get one-stop shopping for practically everything else, but that concept mostly also hot replaced by some of the the mass merchandizers and Big Box stores—-or most recently, Amazon. Some of the malls are getting re-purposed for professional offices. Others are on their last legs, or even abandoned. What we probably should be doing is converting them to affordable housing or shelters , but that might make too much sense.
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cherrycokeicee@reddit

I don't want to deal with perishables at a mall. I don't want to deal with a mall when I'm grocery shopping. idk, these things just seem completely incompatible in my mind.
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icantfindtheSpace@reddit

Then treat the mall like running errands, get the groceries last. I certainly wouldnt mind the convenience of these places put together.
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OhThrowed@reddit

To me, grocery trips are get in, get food, get out. I don't want to be lollygagging through other stores. Thats what makes them incompatible to me.
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oatmealparty@reddit

Yeah I'm gonna buy my frozen foods and milk and cheese and then just wander around the mall for a few hours? Even if I do my other shopping or eating first now I've also got to cart around all my food. Weird concept.
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ColossusOfChoads@reddit

Other way around. The grocery store is usually hit last.
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bananapanqueques@reddit

(Assuming you know where Provo & Orem are because your flair says UT.) ProvOrem’s University Mall has Costco and Trader Joe’s. Sprouts is close enough that it might as well be considered part of the mall. Are those weird? When I moved, Provo Towne Centre and ProvOrem Riverwoods were both begging for traffic that wasn't related to Pokémon Go.
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_pamelab@reddit

Those are both next to the mall, but not IN the mall. OP is talking about grocery stores that are literally attached. Like if that Dillards was a Sprouts.
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ColossusOfChoads@reddit

It's definitely a thing in Italy. Somehow it works. Although 9 times out of 10 you hit the grocery store after you hit all the other stores you were gonna hit. I guess that's the rule.
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atomicxblue@reddit

Could you imagine trying to get ice cream home from a mall grocery store, where people walk at a snail's pace?
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bananapanqueques@reddit

External doors like department stores have. Still in the mall but you don't have to deal with foot traffic.
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Anachronism--@reddit

Then why be in the mall at all?
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CupBeEmpty@reddit

That’s my take. I don’t want to deal with wandering around a mall when all I want is groceries. Just get food and get out and US groceries are really good at that.
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VentusHermetis@reddit

The fluorescent blue light in malls is unappetizing.
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macoafi@reddit

Sometimes they do, in the sense that Target and Costco both sell groceries, and I know a mall that has both.
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pirawalla22@reddit

There is a mall on the outskirts of SF that has a Trader Joe's grocery store in it. I have always thought it was super, super weird - precisely because it's rare to see a grocery store at a shopping mall.
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NoEmailNec4Reddit@reddit

Why should they? There are a lot of grocery stores than malls. People go to grocery stores 1x per week or more, while people go to malls less often (generally).
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Swimming-Book-1296@reddit

Americans buy a lot of groceries at once, but more infrequently than in other countries, and so would have no room or time for shopping in the rest of the mall. This means that in the US there isn't a good reason for grocery stores to be in malls. You get very little crossover between the two.
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DrWhoisOverRated@reddit

I would find it very unusual to see a grocery store in a mall. Why? I don't know, it's a different country.
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PAXICHEN@reddit

There's a mall by me in Munich, Germany that has all the mall stuff...anchor stores, food court, Dunkin' (that opens at 9:30 AM WTF???), and an Edeka (super market). Granted, it's located at a decent transit hub and there are a lot of apartment buildings around too. It also has a big-ass parking garage... It was built in 1972 as an outdoor place (similar to Northshore Mall in MA) and enclosed later. It's been nicely upgraded, but the outside is ugly as crap. There are even apartment buildings attached. Olympia Einkaufszentrum. But, I grew up in NJ in the 1970s had had access to such malls as: Quaker Bridge Mall, Neshamiy mall...
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profitgirl@reddit

Are you saying 9:30 is late or early for the Dunkin to open?
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PAXICHEN@reddit

Way late.
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thatswacyo@reddit

People outside the US don't typically think of donuts as a breakfast food, so I don't think they would sell much if they opened earlier, right? 9:30 is about the right time to get people who want a mid-morning snack.
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PAXICHEN@reddit

COFFEE
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thatswacyo@reddit

Do people in Germany think of coffee (sans donut) when they think of Dunkin Donuts though? I know that in the US they've started to shift away from the idea of being a donut shop to being a coffee shop, but I'd imagine that in Germany it's probably still very much a donut shop. The only international Dunkin Donuts locations I'm familiar with are in Latin America, and they're definitely mainly a donut shop that also sells coffee.
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Lumpasiach@reddit

Germans think of nothing when thinking of Dunkin Donuts. They've got a handful of stores inside of train stations, but well over 90% of Germans have never bought something there by my best guess. Germans are not really into that whole buying a paper cup of crappy coffee to go anyway. We usually drink coffee at home and then at work. So definitely a donut shop that sells coffee too.
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cohrt@reddit

way late. all the ones near mean open at like 4 am.
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TehWildMan_@reddit

Many of the large grocery store and super market chains generally prefer to build on outer parcels of shopping centers or elsewhere, since it's far easier to get large parcels of land at a better price as opposed to building in a mall anchor spot.
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DrWhoisOverRated@reddit

There's a Target in the mall nearest me. It is literally the only reason I ever go to the mall.
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Curmudgy@reddit

Target moved into the Lechmere store in the Pheasant Lane Mall up in Nashua. I don’t remember that Target carrying any groceries back when I lived closer to it, but maybe they do now.
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DandelionChild1923@reddit

You mentioning the Pheasant Lane Mall jolted some early 00s memories!
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Frictus@reddit

They were one of the first targets to carry groceries that I know of. I've also never known that mall without the target there.
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Curmudgy@reddit

I’m old enough to remember when the mall wasn’t even there. And then there’s the kerfuffle over cutting the corner off of JC Penney.
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shavemejesus@reddit

You mentioned Lechmere and Pheasant Lane Mall and I thought it was 1994 again.
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PAXICHEN@reddit

Lechmere was the bomb at The Galleria in Cambridge. (Cambridgeside Galleria?)
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swirlinglaughter@reddit

Now it's just "Cambridgeside" 😂
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ColossusOfChoads@reddit

Cambridge side of what?
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QuietObserver75@reddit

Lechmere, there's a store I haven't heard of in a while.
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Dadtakesthebait@reddit

They’ve got a small selection, but nothing big.
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Cyber_Angel_Ritual@reddit

The Pembroke mall used to exist and had Target attached to it. Pembroke mall no longer exists and it is becoming a set of apartments.
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kaimcdragonfist@reddit

Same. I mean I usually hit Gamestop or Hobby Lobby as well if I go to the mall, but it's rarely worth going in
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nomuggle@reddit

Hobby Lobby is trash, but you do you.
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jda404@reddit

What did Hobby Lobby do to you ha?
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nomuggle@reddit

Besides being a member of more than one of the groups they actively discriminate against? I also don’t support smuggling artifacts from war torn countries, forging ancient documents and passing them off as the real thing, or turning this county into a theocracy.
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Emotional_Warthog658@reddit

Also It’s really gross for an employer to force their religious beliefs on staff.  (I am religious btw).  It’s none of H👿L’s business HOW the staff uses health insurance.  To go to court to not pay for people’s birth control when they are already making low wages at a shitty retail job….it will be cold in hell before I buy a single thing from Hobby Lobby.
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PAXICHEN@reddit

Liberty Tree? That place has been dying for 20 years...
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AbyssalRedemption@reddit

Lol there's also a Target in the mall nearest me. It's literally the only thing left in that mall...
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KR1735@reddit

I think that's really good for shopping malls. I don't go to the malls all that much. But I certainly would do a lap around the mall if I'm already there for my ordinary grocery shopping at Target. People simply aren't making special trips to Macy's or Nordstrom, etc., like they used to. But they do make special trips to get groceries.
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Dsxm41780@reddit

There’s a Target at Christiana Mall in Delaware and it is a beautiful thing.
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phenomenomnom@reddit

That's a change if it's true. In the 80s Targets were a staple mall corner store. Can remember many nights watching a monie then wandering around Target bargain-hunting with the parents. Of course, Target had a very different business model, then. They weren't using stylish product and package design as their hook then. They were just another Kmart or JCPenny, really. I think of Target as a company that saw dwindling sales during the "rise of Wal Mart", gave themselves a long hard look, and some tough love, and said, "if we want to survive, we need to distinguish ourselves by getting *better.*" And they actually went about *doing that.* That is why I prefer to shop there over other box stores, more than anything else. Even if this whole impression that I have is marketing mythology, fine, I still respect that story. Don't abandon ship, and sell it off for parts, to the vultures -- actually put out the fires, bail out the hold, raise new sails, come back and win the fight. Literally, with *style!* That, and for a large US corporation, apparently they have, in general, relatively better labor practices than Wal Mart.
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ColossusOfChoads@reddit

> URL shorteners Well that's random. What's wrong with those?
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rockresy@reddit (OP)

Ok, different culture here in Australia, the malls are a one stop shop
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Head_Razzmatazz7174@reddit

Large retail grocery stores have usually been in stand alone buildings. They might be part of a shopping center, which is basically a lot of stores in one long building. Each of them is self-contained and they share a large parking lot. The US has a lot more room to have stand alone grocery stores.
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ghjm@reddit

Probably not more room than Australia, though.
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skimaskschizo@reddit

The US has about 800 thousand square miles more land than Australia
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ColossusOfChoads@reddit

Yeah, but they have two big cities and 1/15th our population.
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TheRealDudeMitch@reddit

But Australia has like 11 people
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gratusin@reddit

That’s what Wal Mart is for. The produce and meat suck, but it’s there. If I need a bulb of garlic, a bag of scallops, a pair of shorts, some fishing lures, an oil filter and of course as an American, some ammunition, hell yeah brother, Wal Mart has my back.
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squarerootofapplepie@reddit

Maybe this is just a function of where I was, but it seemed like the IGAs in Australia are in a similar environment as the grocery stores in the US, where they’re in a plaza alongside random retail, while Cole’s and Woolworths are in malls.
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rockresy@reddit (OP)

Yeah, IGA's are like franchises, where Coles & Woolworths are centrally owned. Harder for the large malls to sign long leases with an individual owner.
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o_safadinho@reddit

There is a Target in a mall close by my house, but the mall is massive. Literally one of the largest in the country. That mall is always packed.
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StupidLemonEater@reddit

For what it's worth, my hometown mall always had Target as an anchor store, but it was only many years later that it became a "super Target" with a grocery section.
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Aurion7@reddit

The short version is that the people who own most malls want a business that will pay as much in rent as possible while taking up as little space as possible. Didn't really match up well with grocery stores. So the big mall boom in the 70s and 80s happened largely without grocers.
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PuckSR@reddit

You need to define “mall” Most Americans older than 30 consider a mall to be a large single building with many stores within it. There are almost never groceries at these places because they are designed for shopping. People will go to a mall to shop several clothing stores. Some people also use “mall” to refer to a collection of stores, but where they just happen to be on the same street or block. The stores all have exterior doors and you would have to go outside to go from one store to another. These frequently have grocery stores, but not always. It depends on how close they are to homes
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TenNinetythree@reddit

If you look at Swords Pavillions in Ireland or Ilac or jervis Centre, you see malls in the first definition with grocery stores in them.
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PuckSR@reddit

Not saying it cannot exist, just giving the American explanation.
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TenNinetythree@reddit

I just wanted to explain what was meant.
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craders@reddit

Why were you looking for grocery stores at malls instead of stopping by the grocery stores I'm sure you drove by on the way to the mall?
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rockresy@reddit (OP)

We were carless & using uber, it was our last couple of days before heading home & looking for flight food (16hrs to Australia and the kids are fussy eaters). We walked to one, it was fine, its just different that's all.
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craders@reddit

Ah. Hope you enjoyed your visit!
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rockresy@reddit (OP)

It was awesome!
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Lukinzz@reddit

I've never seen a grocery store in a mall.
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MrDowntown@reddit

Some of the early suburban shopping centers did include supermarkets, but by the enclosed "regional mall" era of the 1970s, developers of malls focused on fashion retailers that would pay higher rents per square foot and had fewer parking, delivery, and loading dock requirements. Grocers and drugstores instead became anchors for "strip malls" that were built every mile or two throughout suburbia. As enclosed malls went into decline in the 2000s, there were occasional instances where supermarkets felt they could make a regional mall location work. But they're still uncommon, and usually an indicator of a troubled mall with lots of vacant space.
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rockresy@reddit (OP)

Thank you. It's very different to what I'm used to, the malls seemed very 'sterile' to me, lots of large stores, mainly selling clothes, candles, smelly stuff, kids toys & the like. Here they are more 'full on' & it's where you go for everything (haircut, the bank, fruit & veg, restaurants, cinemas, video games, kids play centres, fishmongers, bakeries & grocery stores (my local one has three different grocery stores in it). It's a bit chaotic sometimes but it's packed most days. Just different.
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Sowf_Paw@reddit

People but perishables at the grocery store and they tend to just go to the grocery store and then home. Malls want shoppers that visit several stores before going home.
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rockresy@reddit (OP)

Ok. Here you do the "Mall thing" then do the groceries after, then go home.
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Relative-Magazine951@reddit

That just worse then doing them separately
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TenNinetythree@reddit

Why? Maybe it's me being European but two 1h bus trips are not more convenient than one.
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Relative-Magazine951@reddit

Mabye 0.1% of American take busses to malls (or grocery store for that matter ). This might not be accurate but usually trips to mall and grocery store are 30 mins drove or close. Generally speaking american buy grocery for the week so it another of stiff and usually they are running out of stuff.
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cherrycokeicee@reddit

bc in the US, it's probably something more like: the mall is a 10 minute drive away, and the grocery store is a different 10 minute drive away. a mall is a specific vibe. people are browsing, hanging out, eating at restaurants, going to the movies. so if I need some bread, why would I want to schlep through a bunch of shoppers at a big mall instead of going to a specific store that's just for groceries, or a larger supermarket (like Walmart) where I can get groceries and a couple household items I need. malls are for leisure, grocery stores and supermarkets are for getting what you need and getting out. going to the mall for groceries feels like going to Disneyworld just for lunch.
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ColossusOfChoads@reddit

I try to tell my wife that. It just isn't sinking in.
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fanostra@reddit

I was just discussing this today. Give me an IperCoop!
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TheJokersChild@reddit

It's unusual to see grocery stores as mall anchors but not unheard of. And if it happens, it's in a strip mall or smaller mall where the other anchors are more b-tier; a level or two below JCP or Macy's.
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cohrt@reddit

i've only ever seen one mall have a grocery store and it is a Whole Foods.
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epicjorjorsnake@reddit

Because grocery stores are usually separate from the malls. Malls usually do have food courts though. 
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idiot-prodigy@reddit

Some of our grocery stores are malls. At Wal-Mart you can buy groceries, clothes, television, pharmacy drugs, just about everything.
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fraksen@reddit

We had a large mall here (Massachusetts) that had an anchor store replaced with a Wegmans. The Wegmans is now gone but the mall is still there. It was not the outcome I was expecting.
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MrLongWalk@reddit

Americans would find it fairly odd to see a grocery store in a mall.
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otto_bear@reddit

I don’t know that it’s that universal, the only reason I ever go to the mall near me is because there’s a Trader Joe’s there. There’s also a Whole Foods on the other side of the mall. I don’t think it’s an expected thing to have in a mall but it seems pretty normal to me.
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The_Law_of_Pizza@reddit

But are they attached to the mall, or just part of the same larger commercial district? Going to a grocery store that has a mall a block over is very different from going to a grocery store that's literally connected to the mall as an anchor.
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summerfr33ze@reddit

I've seen what I think was a Whole Foods inside of a mall. Definitely uncommon but it's a thing.
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21Puns@reddit

Maybe it's a Whole Foods specific thing? We've got a Whole Foods in one of my town's malls too. (not Colonie Center! but I've been there.)
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LemonSkye@reddit

Not sure if this is the same one you're talking about, but Colonie Center in Albany *definitely* has a Whole Foods in it. I was surprised the first time I saw it.
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summerfr33ze@reddit

Yeah, you me and otto\_bear are all talking about the same mall lol
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otto_bear@reddit

I guess there are at least two malls in the US with a grocery store in them! I’ve never been to Albany.
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summerfr33ze@reddit

I just mean the one in Albany has a Whole Foods in it and a Trader Joe's adjacent to it. It sounded like you were describing the same setup.
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otto_bear@reddit

They’re attached to the mall, you can literally walk out of the Whole Foods directly into the rest of the mall and the Trader Joe’s is slightly offset, but shares a wall with a Target that is directly connected to the rest of the mall.
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glimpseeowyn@reddit

This depends on the age of the mall … or just the age of the store. It’s way more common now for malls to have grocery stores because they’re such solid tenants for the mall—but that’s also a byproduct of too many traditional department stores failing. Traditional department stores used to be the main and expected anchor tenants for malls. It would have been rare forty years ago for a mall to feature a grocery store.
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Loud_Insect_7119@reddit

I don't disagree with you, but I do think it's funny that arguably one of the most iconic mall scenes in American movie history (the Blues Brothers mall car chase) does in fact feature a grocery store in the mall. They briefly slide into a Jewel Osco grocery store. It's a quick moment, but it stands out in my mind because I actually only watched the movie for the first time a few years ago and seeing the Jewel made me feel weirdly nostalgic since that's the chain I always shopped at when I lived in Chicago, lol. Although the store I went to was not in a mall. Anyway, like I said, I don't disagree but it does make me wonder if it used to be more common and fell out of favor since the 1980s. Or maybe that mall was just weird.
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pudding7@reddit

"Pier One Imports."  "This mall has everything."
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Loud_Insect_7119@reddit

The casual commentary as they drive around the mall definitely makes the scene, lol.
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pudding7@reddit

"New Oldsmobiles are in early this year."
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ineedatinylama@reddit

Because grocery stores are the size of a wing of the mall
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Vulpix_lover@reddit

Grocery stores and shopping malls are two different things. There wouldn't be enough space for the two of them. Not in the US, at the very least
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rattlehead44@reddit

How horrible would it be to have to go to the mall for groceries. No thanks!
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Carloverguy20@reddit

Usually Grocery Stores are more for local residents of an area, and they tend to build them on Standalone shopping centers in a strip mall. Some malls here have implemented grocery stores by them, especially outlet malls now.
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NYSenseOfHumor@reddit

People still go to malls in 2024?
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rockresy@reddit (OP)

They do if they have banks, barbers, bakers, fishmongers, supermarkets, food courts and retail stores.
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NYSenseOfHumor@reddit

You just described a smartphone.
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musiclovermina@reddit

I'm surprised there's no California representation in this thread lol, I've been to a lot of malls with grocery stores, small markets, Target+grocery, or those little gas station stores like 7/11. They're everywhere. But more common here in America is strip malls with grocery stores
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rockresy@reddit (OP)

I was a big fan of the 7/11 slushies. We have them here but you have so many more flavours
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musiclovermina@reddit

I actually haven't had a 711 slushy in years! I mostly go in there for a quick mid-shift meal (3/3$ hot food+tall can of beer)
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ColossusOfChoads@reddit

Slurpee! The Slushy comes from the Kwik-E-Mart.
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rockresy@reddit (OP)

Treat yourself, a true American treat, along with Peanut Butter m&m's which you can only get in the US!
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musiclovermina@reddit

That sounds like a plan 😊
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LivingGhost371@reddit

I can't imagine pushing a cart with a weeks worth of groceries all the way across the mall and then across a huge mall parking lot to your car. And generally mall rent was too expensive for grocery stores.
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ColossusOfChoads@reddit

In Europe it's much more likely to be a parking garage, so it's not as much of a slog to get to your car. There's usually some kind of exit between the grocery store and the garage. I'm not trying to make it sound better. Everything's so crammed in tight here. It's maddening, I tell you! They waste less land because there's so much less land to waste.
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ColossusOfChoads@reddit

I've only seen that in Europe. For whatever reason, that's not an American thing. There might be grocery stores *near* the mall, but if it was part of the mall it would be highly unusual.
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Primary_Excuse_7183@reddit

Shopping malls are usually centrally located. Most people pass multiple grocery stores on their way to a shopping mall because they frequent the grocery store more often.
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gecko_sticky@reddit

I think it depends on the one you go to. They usually are not in the mall proper but they are located close to/next to the mall so its still within easy reach. Ive seen Targets, Walmarts, Meijers, whole foods, and a few other stores like that either next to or on the same general area as the mall. As for why they dont have them inside the mall.... I think it has something to do with the culture of an american mall is. Most people I know dont go to mall for regular shopping. They go for clothes shopping, shop for specific stuff like electronics, or it a social thing. Going to the super market is more of a thing you have to do and isnt really a social outing the same way going to a mall is.
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3mta3jvq@reddit

Can’t speak for Florida but malls are dying around the US. Most big retailers want to be standalone stores…..which is a shame when malls sit empty.
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555-starwars@reddit

Not common, but it does happen. I think as malls look for more tenets as traditional tenets die, grocery stores will become more common in them.
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Negative-Film@reddit

Indoor malls have reputations for being places to hang out, browse, and spend a good amount of time in. Going to the mall is usually an event, in contrast to the mundanity/necessity of grocery shopping. That being said, sometimes malls attract more businesses to come and build around them. My current city has two major indoor malls and one major outdoor mall. The outdoor mall has a Trader Joe’s and is across the street from Target. One of the indoor malls has become the center of a huge shopping district that includes Costco, Sam’s Club, Walmart, and PetSmart. But none of those businesses are in/attached to the actual mall building.
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theothermeisnothere@reddit

Indoor malls were built for casual shopping - window shopping even - but groceries include perishable food. You want to get that home so it's an in-and-home type of shopping. The benefit for indoor malls is that you can walk "the street" without hot or cold or rain, etc. Groceries like their own space that they control to keep costs down.
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DannyC2699@reddit

some of the malls around me have target inside them. not a traditional grocery store, but it fills that niche
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MizzGee@reddit

Our malls can still be busy enough. Also, many of our grocery stores also have clothes, appliances, etc.
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Material_Ad6173@reddit

There usually is a grocery store in each mall. Just the entrance is from the outside, not the inside of the mall. Or in a separate building, just closer to the parking lot.
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glimpseeowyn@reddit

So, part of this depends on the age of the mall. That’s also reflective in people’s answers here. The oldest malls were intended to mimic downtown shopping districts, with an emphasis on the higher ending shopping districts. So the oldest traditional American shopping malls tended to be anchored by major traditional department stores (Think Macy’s, not Target) and then would be filled with smaller clothing stores, jewelers, toy stores, book stores, maybe an arcade or move theater, etc.—And there would traditionally be a a food court as well as restaurants. The goal was to keep people inside the mall. The malls didn’t want people associating the mall with needing to grab eggs on the way home, both because it would make people leave sooner and because it hurt the more upscale vibes that the mall wanted to encourage. So most Americans associate grocery stores and big box stores (like Target, Wal-Mart, IKEA, etc.) with strip malls (And Americans do not refer to “strip malls” as just “malls”—“Malls” mean an indoor shopping mall), the line of stores with giant parking lot sprawl. A lot of these stores grew up primarily in the suburbs, and it’s simply easier for the store to load and unload in a one story box box store with giant parking lots around and the rents tend to be cheaper. And a lot of times indoor malls are surrounded by multiple strip malls, so Americans might be used to seeing a grocery store or movie theater NEAR the mall in their respective parking lots and strip malls, but not IN the mall. Now, obviously, individual malls even at the earliest points may have chosen to include grocery stores or big box retailers, but that’s not typically how malls were handled. But fewer and fewer people shop at malls now. Many have closed over the decades. Fewer department stores exist, which means fewer department stores can anchor a mall. Malls have had to get creative. So now malls increasingly do feature grocery stores, movie theaters, and traditional big box retailers as anchor tenants. A lot of malls have added services like doctors’ offices or daycares to fill their spaces. And that’s why for some people, it’s normal for a mall to have a grocery story in the U.S. while a lot of Americans wouldn’t associate a mall with a grocery store—It’s reflective of when people last went to the mall as well as their own memories and ideas of what the mall even is. You seemingly ran into older malls that haven’t had to turn to including grocery stores as an anchor tenant yet.
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TheDrivingForce1650@reddit

Reading these comments really reminds me that I'm old because the 80's was the last time supermarkets were in the malls. To make it convenient to get all of your shopping needs done, grocery chains would regularly be seen in or on the promenade of your usual malls. Kmart, target, and whatever your local grocer was normally featured in the signage that was placed on the parking lot.
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LordofDD93@reddit

A supermarket, like a Walmart, will sell you basically everything you need. They’re usually buying their own land so they can have the size and parking space focused on them and at better prices, or so they can have larger space than a mall would offer. Presumably at a mall you’d be stuck dealing with whoever owned that property instead of just purchasing acreage. I will say, it was weird when living in France to see the massive Leclerc inside a mall next to a Claire’s and a knockoff GameStop. I’m used to the supermarket stores being in their own spot or as part of a strip of large stores.
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GF_baker_2024@reddit

It varies, possibly among types of mall. Where I live, I've never seen a grocery store in a traditional enclosed mall (e.g., [Twelve Oaks](https://shoptwelveoaks.com/) in metro Detroit).
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Current_Poster@reddit

I think it's a difference in business plan- a mall is what you call "destination shopping" (you go to it), supermarkets build to be more central for errands (they basically, go to you).
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blipsman@reddit

I’ve never in my life seen a true grocery store attached to an indoor mall. Even something like a Target, which has some groceries, is rare. Such stores typically locate in strip malls instead since more direct access from store to parking lot/car. I guess if nearly everybody has a car, they can choose to drive to both mall and grocery back to back if they need/want to, but there’s no real benefit to having the grocery in a mall since harder to shop with bags from other stores with you, you wouldn’t want to lug groceries through the mall.
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mklinger23@reddit

The point of a mall is to go to a few different stores and get a few different things. If I'm going to a grocery store, I'm getting a good amount of stuff and I probably won't have room to buy anything else. So if I'm going to that grocery store, I'm probably not going to anything else in the mall.
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Seventh_Stater@reddit

This is typical in my experience also.
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dtb1987@reddit

Because we already have large well stocked grocery stores and we don't need them in the mall, also we don't really go to malls anymore
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SavannahInChicago@reddit

I like this question because as an American who grew up with malls and groceries separate I’ve never thought about it.
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Hoosier_Jedi@reddit

Because we have supermarkets. Malls are for leisure, not essentials.
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Loud_Insect_7119@reddit

This is becoming increasingly obvious as you start seeing old malls being redeveloped, too. That happened to the mall in my city very successfully, and it was 100% by focusing on purely leisure stuff--adding a movie theater, a bunch of restaurants, two arcades (one more for adults, one more for kids), etc. There actually was briefly a grocery store there during the dead mall days, but it was kind of a pain to get to and didn't do very well.
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vt2022cam@reddit

Grocery stores chains are more about real estate and location, a mall doesn’t create a draw for a grocery store, but a grocery store is a draw for other businesses like, banks, florists, and pharmacies.
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theSPYDERDUDE@reddit

Some of them do, just gotta go different places. A lot of malls don’t really get traction anymore so some of the grocery stores could have likely shut down, or you got really unlucky and didn’t find one.
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dcgrey@reddit

I've seen them in those shopping centers that fall between mall and strip mall... they'll often even have the exact same stores you'd expect to see in a mall. The big difference vs. a mall though is there are customer entrances on only one side, the front facing the parking lot, leaving the entire back half available for loading docks to take deliveries during the day. A large mall would need to have a grocery store as an anchor store, which 1) usually has entrances on two or even all four sides and 2) for practical and aesthetic reasons, needs to be able to put an 18-wheeler and dumpsters someplace out of the way.
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balthisar@reddit

I’ve had to count on grocery stores in malls in Mexico, China, and Thailand, and I always hated it. A simple grocery trip becomes a hassle. Yuck.
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Yankee_chef_nen@reddit

I haven’t seen a mall with a grocery store in years now that I think about it, but in the 80s my family often shopped at a Shaw’s grocery store in a mall in Newington, NH.
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brizia@reddit

It depends what you mean by mall. They’re not often found at indoor malls (I’m from New Jersey and we have a ton of indoor malls), but they’re often found in outdoor malls with other stores/ restaurants and usually banks or fast food in the parking lot. Sometimes they’ll be a part of an outdoor mall, but in their own building.
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machagogo@reddit

They are on their own space elsewhere. Malls are larger and charge a higher rent.
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Hatweed@reddit

My furss is the lack of convenience. Groceries usually need to be taken to the car and stored immediately or are bought in amounts impractical for walking around for hours. Malls are usually places you can spend all day. You don’t want to be weighed down by groceries the entire visit.”
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Bluemonogi@reddit

I have never been to a regular mall with a grocery store in the US. I have not been to a regular mall for over 10 years probably. A regular mall to me is one large building with many shops inside it. Most stores do not have their own outer entrance and there is an indoor food court with many restaurant food vendors. You would park in the lot and stroll around inside from store to store. There would be 2-4 large department stores and many smaller stores. There might be a movie theater or arcade in the building. It is not uncommon for grocery stores to be located in a strip mall (aka shopping center or shopping plaza) though where there are many adjacent store buildings all with separate outside entrances sharing a big parking lot. One of the grocery stores we go to shares a lot with a shoe store, restaurant, a cell phone retailer, a fitness place, a nail salon, a thrift store, an appliance rental store, gas station and a department store. The grocery store there has within it their own pharmacy, meat counter, bakery area, florist area, deli area as well as produce and other grocery items.
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Roulette-Adventures@reddit

I wondered the same thing after visiting Houston for a few months. Grocery stores are non-existent within a Mall. ps: Australian here.
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Salty-Walrus-6637@reddit

some do but shopping malls and grocery stores serve different purposes
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Doomsauce1@reddit

My two bit hypothesis, for what it's worth. A mall has stores that sell shit you don't need (fast fashion, electronics, cinnamon buns) so those stores want to be in a desirable (and expensive) location. Grocery stores sell shit you do need (food, booze, tabloids) so they can be in any location (the cheaper the better) they want because you're gonna go there regardless.
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latteboy50@reddit

Some do. My local mall just built a 99 Ranch Market and another mall close by has an Italian grocery store called Eataly.
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ReadinII@reddit

The shopping mall experience is designed to be a bit classy. You go there on dates. You go there to get clothes to impress people. Grocery shopping is a chore, and shopping carts don’t fit the mall experience.
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rockresy@reddit (OP)

Ok. Jeez I couldn't imagine someone going on a date to a Sydney mall, unless it was to Goto the cinema
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LemonSkye@reddit

Indoor malls here are typically for leisure shopping, not for getting perishables. Plenty of strip malls/shopping centers where I am have grocery stores as part of them, but they're a bit of a different animal. The only times I've seen an honest-to-goodness mall have a grocery store are up in Albany (as I mentioned in another thread), and the club store that recently opened in my local mall. Ours recently came under new ownership and is being rebranded as a "lifestyle center" of sorts, but most people here still think of it as a mall.
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Illustrious-Cycle708@reddit

Because
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KatanaCW@reddit

2 out of the 3 within easy driving distance of my house have grocery stores.
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xXinkjetprinter69Xx@reddit

There was a Winco I used to go to on my way home from work that was in a mall. Going there was always a surreal experience because it wasn't something I'd ever seen before or since.
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BankManager69420@reddit

It’s becoming more common on the west coast.
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jeremiah1142@reddit

Some do or did. Bellevue Square in Bellevue, WA had a 365 market (Whole Foods brand) that replaced part of a JC Penney. Unfortunately closed. Southcenter Mall in Tukwila, WA has had a Filipino grocery store, Seafood City, for many years that replaced a department store called Bon Ton, I believe.
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rockresy@reddit (OP)

Ok, maybe only in some places! Thank you.
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shibby3388@reddit

Yeah, despite some of the overall jerk responses, this is a good question. And this the best take. There are definitely a small number of malls in some areas of the U.S. with grocery stores, but it’s not that common across the country for the various reasons mentioned here.
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rockresy@reddit (OP)

It just seems odd. Here malls have everything, bakers, groceries, banks, barbers, fishmongers. They are packed, people go for a 'one stop shop'. Just as a tourist it was culturally odd. We wanted groceries, we had no car so grabbed google maps & walked about a mile. It was an experience, hard to get out of the carpark in foot, no pavements but made it. Definitely designed with drivers in mind :)
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ImperialRedditer@reddit

Same case here in LA on the Eagle Rock neighborhood. Seafood City became the main anchor store for the mall there along with Target.
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xiouxioux@reddit

It’s been a while since I’ve been at that mall but are there even non-food shops? I don’t think I’ve ever gone there to shop for clothes since the Americana/Glendale Galleria are so close by.
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nowhereman136@reddit

When I lived in Sydney, AU, there was a Coles, Woolys, and Aldi all in the same shopping mall, right next to each other. That blew my mind. How do they not cannibalize each other?
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rockresy@reddit (OP)

Woolies & Coles are the same, tribal about which one you choose. Aldi is cheaper. Smart shoppers Goto Aldi first then get the rest at one of the others. Having them close by each other is great.
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c3534l@reddit

Why would you put a grocery store in a mall? We already have grocery stores everywhere. They don't need the foot traffic. No one is hauling their ass all the way to the mall just get some milk.
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rolyoh@reddit

Who goes to malls anymore?
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KR1735@reddit

I think it's because a lot of our grocery stores have the same things as shopping malls. In the U.S., I do my grocery shopping at Target. They have a very decent selection of clothes. They have most of the electronics you might want. They have home furnishings. Etc. The shopping mall is for specialty items. If you want to buy a desktop Mac, or designer clothes and jewelry, or certain cosmetics. I was in the U.S. last weekend and went to the Mall of America. I didn't go to get socks. I went to Under Armour, my and my son's favorite place to get clothes, and spent about $300. (We always buy most of our clothes in the States because we're not that far and Minnesota is tax-free on clothes!)
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Few-Chapter3316@reddit

American here, having traveled in Europe I’ve always thought it was a great idea having a supermarket and a pharmacy inside a mall, especially in a situation where you’re relying on public transport. Train stations too. M&S Food and Boots inside the train station = brilliant idea.
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xiviajikx@reddit

There are a few in New Jersey. I know of Stew Leonard’s in the Paramus Park mall. I believe another in Wayne but could be wrong. I do think that mall is pretty low occupancy and people only go for the supermarket or the other things they have but never both.
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confusedrabbit247@reddit

Because malls aren't for grocery shopping
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JesusStarbox@reddit

I remember when I was a kid there was an a&p at the old mall.
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jimmyjohnjohnjohn@reddit

Malls are supposed to be a place of luxury and indulgence. The environment inside a mall gives you a sense of being separate and protected from the "real world." That makes you more likely to spend money. It's a principle used by theme parks and resorts as well: you more freely spend money in an atmosphere where it feels it doesn't matter. A grocery store doesn't fit with this. A grocery store is mundane and 100% real world. Grocery shopping is not a luxury, it's a chore. It would ruin that atmosphere.
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Noah__Webster@reddit

The biggest thing to me is that it would simply be inconvenient. Most of the time when I'm going to the grocery store, I'm filling a buggy up. It makes sense to me for the store to sit in its own parking lot. I don't want to push a buggy full of food and other essentials through a mall. I guess it could kinda make sense if it was on the exterior walls with external entrances/exits like a lot of the department stores. I also agree with another commenter that malls are for leisure, while grocery stores are for essentials. Grocery shopping is an errand. If I'm going to the mall, it's usually more of a fun way to kill some time or just browse. If I go grocery shopping it is almost exclusively the last stop I make before getting home (especially if I buy anything cold), and it's not a fun thing. When I go to the mall, I may or may not go out to eat, go to other stores not in the mall, etc. afterwards. I feel like it's kinda the same reason there aren't typically like gas stations or drug stores in a mall.
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cdb03b@reddit

Grocery stores are typically too large to fit in malls and most prefer to be on their own property.
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imacone417@reddit

Our local mall has a Winco built inside it. Super nice too.
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neoslith@reddit

My frozens would thaw while I looked at dildos at Spencer's.
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mylocker15@reddit

My guess is they want you to buy the perishables and you have to go straight home with those. In a mall you might be tempted to go shopping and have your food spoil then you might sue said grocery store. When I was a small kid one of the malls we went to had a drugstore though. I remember it was across from the restaurant we ate at. We never actually went in it though. I think it was a Walgreens and we were a Longs drugs family.
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TheHumbleMuskrat@reddit

There is one that I went to in Clearwater, FL, that has a Whole Foods attached. Otherwise as everyone has said. Grocery stores usually are nearby as they take up a lot of space themselves. There is a growth of mixed use properties that I think will increase this occurrence over time possibly. We shall see
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PierogiKielbasa@reddit

On the reverse, when I was in Milan last year, I found it so out of place to have a supermarket in the mall 😀 Definitely interesting though
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toTheNewLife@reddit

I think this is starting to slowly change.
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Box-Populi@reddit

The Stonestown Galleria here in San Francisco has both a Whole Foods and a Trader Joe's
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davdev@reddit

All the traditional indoor malls around me are dead and instead outdoor ones have basically taken their place (which doesn’t really make sense since we have a thing called winter) but these outdoors ones all seem to have grocery stores. One near me has a Whole Foods and another has a Wegmans.
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fallouthirteen@reddit

I mean grocery stores are for a dedicated essentials trip. You kind of know what you need to get and you try get everything you need. Mall is kind of a browsing experience or niche purchase trip. Objects that don't need to be readily available to purchase everywhere. I think a pretty big deal is space too. Like a supermarket/grocery store would need a lot of space. They kind of work on volume and regular customers. Mall shops tend to be smaller compartmentalized spaces and I'm sure the rental space price factors in foot traffic for people who are browsing a lot of different stores. Though on that point I guess it is fair to factor in that malls can be built on an "anchor store" (like a Best Buy or something). But like it just feels inconvenient to go grocery shopping after other purchases and insane to go browsing after grocery shopping.
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HidaTetsuko@reddit

In Australia malls have different areas you go to and park in depending on what you want and you see this in the car park. If you want to go shopping/movies or a bite to eat, you park near where those are like Myer or DJs. If you want to do grocery shopping you park near Coles or Woollies as those areas of the mall usually have travellators to get shopping carts to the car park Generally you go to different parts of the mall depending on what reason you’re going there. Sometimes bigger malls have TWO food courts, one near shopping and another near the supermarkets.
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Hot_Artichoke_Dip@reddit

I thought it was weird when the mall in the suburban part of San Francisco (Stonestown) announced they were replacing Macys with a Whole Foods. But it increased foot traffic. People need groceries more than whatever outdated stuff Macys was selling. Plus there weren’t any major supermarkets in the area, so they filled that gap. Then they added Trader Joe’s and Target and now that mall is packed.
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HPayne62@reddit

The one I went to the most did. The Savannah Mall (RIP) had a Target attached to it.
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therlwl@reddit

No that's how it works.
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purplehorseneigh@reddit

I've seen smaller-sized malls here have them occasionally, and slightly less uncommon, at least have a convenience store within them. Real answer though? Where there is a mall, a Walmart, Target, or Supermarket is probably in its own building not too far off. Driving one or two minutes down the road from one to the other is really not a big deal to us at all.
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Weaponized_Puddle@reddit

Strip malls have grocery stores in my area. Part of it too is people tend to buy a weeks worth or more of groceries at a time, nobody wants to carry all that through a mall and I don’t think malls would want to have shopping carts rolling around. Someone else gave a good answer about grocers preferring to buy and build up parcels of land.
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Curmudgy@reddit

There’s a large, upscale mall in Natick, MA that used to have a Wegman’s (a chain of supermarkets that generally has large stores). They closed up, even though the Wegman’s in other parts of eastern MA are doing well. I’m not entirely sure why, but I suspect it’s because people don’t associate malls with groceries.
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SpiritOfDefeat@reddit

The Staten Island Mall has a Lidl. When I saw it, I thought it was really strange to put a grocery store there. But it worked in that instance. Place was always packed. Other than that, I’ve never seen a grocery store attached to a mall.
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Gingertea112@reddit

I don't think I've ever seen a traditional indoor mall with a grocery store, but there is an outdoor mall near me with a Whole Foods. [Streets at Southglenn](https://www.shopsouthglenn.com/)
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Demiurge_Ferikad@reddit

Same for my hometown. The grocery store my family regularly went to was part of a small strip mall. In fact, the majority were.
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AziMeeshka@reddit

Part of the reason is that people tend to visit grocery stores that are near them. They are willing to travel a bit further to save some money, sometimes. A lot of malls are not always close enough to residential areas to be the first place that people would choose for their weekly grocery trip. I think the other reason why is that people go to malls and grocery stores for very different reasons. People don't tend to want to go buy shoes, eat Panda Express, buy a new winter coat, and then go buy groceries, all at the same time. A trip to the mall and the routine grocery store trip are just not associated with each other at all for most people
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Otherwise-OhWell@reddit

There's a lot of variation in malls. The malls of the 80s are rare today but still exist in some wealthy suburbs. But if we're talking 80s malls - enclosed, climate-controlled spaces, with lots of small stores and a few big ones - as depicted by Hollywood: the point was to browse and loiter, and talk - and you don't want to dilly-dally if you have perishable food.
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Soundwave-1976@reddit

I have been in some smaller towns where the mall and grocery were in the same bit of land, but not really connected. Like a Mall build then a strip mall behind it.
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Different-Produce870@reddit

Malls very rarely have groceries. Most people will go their lives without seeing one.
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Salty_Dog2917@reddit

Ala Moana does.
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Positive-Avocado-881@reddit

My closest local mall is actually a dead mall but it has a thriving grocery store lmao. Another local mall is in the same exact situation. I never really thought about the fact that this isn’t the norm in the US
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Strong-Welcome6805@reddit

In other countries there are simply less choices, so grocery stores are also in malls. In the USA, in most metro and suburban areas, you can’t drive 3 minutes without running into a big grocery store or 10 minutes to a mall There is reason it is still the biggest economic/consumer engine. Even China with almost 2 billion people can’t match it
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Phil_ODendron@reddit

It seems too hectic to put a grocery store in a mall. When I do food shopping, I want to get it done and get my groceries home. A shopping mall is more of a place you go to mosey around and look at different stores. Doesn't really make sense to do that with perishables that I need to get home and into the fridge.
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Endy0816@reddit

Not at all unusual.  I wouldn't even think to do grocery shopping at the mall. 
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azuth89@reddit

That's...not really what you go to the mall for. Malls are for gifts, clothes, stuff like that. They exist to concentrate types of stores which you're not regularly visiting otherwise.  Grocery stores are their own thing that don't need to "team up" with other stores to get people walking by them regularly. People will just go to them because they need groceries every week.
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InevitableUsual4126@reddit

We had a Wegmans in the Natick Mall for a few years. It didn't do enougn business to stay open. People don't want to deal with mall traffic or parking to grocery shop.
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AnalogNightsFM@reddit

Americans don’t consider shopping malls for grocery shopping. Why? It’s a different culture. In Germany, there are grocery stores in shopping malls, which I found unusual.
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