There is Biological Sexual Characteristics & Social Gender Roles; choose one.
Biological Sexual Characteristics are prone to mutation & often don't fit into a clean Male-Female dichotomy; such is the basic nature of genetics.
Social Gender Roles is whatever the hell folks say it is; I can call myself an attack helicopter while folks call me an asshole.
A Female? You probably produce eggs. A Woman? Whatever the fuck folks say.
Such is the nature of subjective rhetoric.
> Give a proper definition for “woman” that holds weight, and then I’ll concede.
You try, you won't be able to find one that doesn't exclude people you would call "she" or include people you would call "he".
I asked first, but whatever. Adult human female is enough.
Female: “of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs, distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova) that can be fertilized by male gametes.”
You know, the exact definition we use for every creature in the animal kingdom that doesn’t asexually reproduce
I didn’t say it was binary, you assumed so because I used the proper definition that literally everyone else except you uses. My stance is that it is and it isn’t. Yes, more than just male and female exist, but intersex is an exception, not the norm. Sex exists for two reasons: sex and family role. Males provide the sperm, females act as a host for the offspring. Due to biological and psychological differences, men (usually) serve as protectors and (usually) as providers, while women (usually) serve as caregivers. Intersex people bring nothing new to the table, their exception is born from mutations and still typically lean one way or another.
Try again.
Ah I'm glad that you
a) Completely didn't understand what I meant by bimodal. Lmao Mr "Try again" sounding like a dumbass.
b) Brought up "psychological differences"
Trans people are "psychologically" aligned with the sex they identify as.
a. I didn’t mention bimodal. I mentioned binary, which is the first thing you said.
b. These “psychological differences” are not actually defining of sex. Rather, they are traits commonly shared (but not always) between members of the sex. It’s the same reason acting feminine doesn’t make you a woman and acting masculine doesn’t make you a man.
>It's in that sense that a trans woman is a woman.
No, because then we would define woman as one with femininity, and you *really* don’t want to do that.
>And it's only through a complex sociological and neurobiological lens that defining a woman is possible.
That’s a fun way of saying “I’ll take away the entire definition of the word while hoping the connotations remain and force everyone to agree, even though I myself cannot define it.”
>"Female" as a classification of person and not a classification of sex phenotype actually only holds muster for high school biology. You sound stupid when you use it thusly.
“Female” would be a classification of both person and sex.
Classification: “the action or process of classifying something according to shared qualities or characteristics”
So yeah, when we say someone is “female” because they hold the shared traits of female, that would be classifying a person. Or are we going to change “classification” to mean nothing as well?
You mean "Feminine", not female. Your framing is wrong, causing you to misclassify.
There's Biological Sexual Characteristics like Male-Female-Mutant, there is Social Gender Roles (whatever people call you & you call yourself), with descriptive words to it all like "Masculine", "Feminine", "Androgynous", & so on.
You gotta be more accurate & nuanced with your rhetoric due to the nature of semantics. Classification is relative to what is being classified, be it biological sexual characteristics or social gender roles; your rhetoric confuses & conflates the two.
Picture this. I'm with a girl who looks like a female version of George Clooney. So we're kissing on the mouth, then I'm touching her boobs, then I'm grabbing her butt cheeks, then I'm playing around with her sweet vagina, then I'm wiping my weiner on her balls. How is this gay?
My friend (F) is a kissless virgin. I have another who's 23 (F) in the same boat. Another who was 25 before he lost his virginity. Stop making it a big deal. No one actually fucking cares
I mean if you keep complaining about being lonely and not getting dates, of course people will use that as an insult to hurt your feelings. In reality no one gaf about a strangers sex life
What? Men get insulted around that basis in arguments with completely different contexts where relationships don't even come up.
You have to be living under a rock to not see this everywhere. People were literally calling Leonardo DiCaprio a fucking incel lol.
Again, there is a reason it's used as an insult
Incel doesn't even mean Virgin anymore in the year of 2024. It's synonymous with a mentally ill sexist/racist/xenophobe. I don't know what you mean by half of that but understand that it's got nothing to do with virginity as many incels could attract partners of they weren't fucked in the head
I was talking about how an insult against mean is common so clearly the content of that insult probably matters, and you pulled out some shit about how women get insulted too and implied I said they didn't. You literally used a classic strawman against me, you tried arguing a point no one was making
People do care. It's not about actually losing it or not. It's about having the ability to if you want to. If you can't find a woman willing to have sex with you, it's like being a person who never gets invited to any parties ever. It's a sign of poor social skills.
Losing it to a prostitute means nothing since anyone can.
Yeah crazy how the gender where being virgin is actually seen as a good thing people don't care if they are still virgins at a later age. Real crazy idea
domination is not about doing whatever you want, it's about giving someone pleasure from being dominated, degraded or in pain, within their boundaries, which must be carefully established. the prostitute here is a jerk and a fucking rapist.
can someone tell me if it's a meme that lonely virgin guys on 4chan will fuck a prostitute just so they can finally have sex, or if this is actually happening ? this is really backwards logic if the goal is actually a long term relationship. i may be a female incel and prude but i don't think I'd want to get with someone who in the past had sex with a literal prostitute, fucked someone they had literally no relationship with at all
People have one night stands all the time, most people don’t care that much. The prostitute part is admittedly going to turn a lot of people off but that’s probably one of those things you just keep to yourself.
I know loads of guys who slept with prostitutes and as far as I'm aware it never turned anyone off.
I did it once and it has never bothered any of my girlfriends. As a matter of fact my girlfriend and I agreed that if we are apart for a long period I'm allowed to fuck a prostitute or have a one night stand as long as it isn't in our bed. I haven't done it but that's the agreement.
man. I'm inching closer and closer to just going full hermit somewhere in the woods away from society if the current norm is to have one night stands all the time or to keep your partner in the unknown about your sexual past. insane to me
I think you are focusing too much on perceived cultural norms and not enough on people as individuals. There are plenty of people out there (men and women) who feel the same way you do about relationships. I have plenty of male friends (myself included) who believe similar to you about wanting strong emotional connections before sleeping with someone. It might be a bit harder to find them but they exist.
And as for the whole prostitution and lying about it part, there is social pressure and stigma around virginity that pushes people to seek those services out. They are doing it as a last resort out of the shame and embarrassment they feel. Most men would prefer not to have to fuck prostitutes. And on the flip side there is also a lot of judgement (especially from women) about having been with a prostitute. I’d wager that it would probably tank a lot of relationships from the lack of respect and disgust these men would face. I’m not advocating for lying to your partner about your sexual past, but it’s complicated and doesn’t give enough credit to the complexity and vulnerability of man’s mental/emotional state around this issue.
i understand the reasons one would lie about it of course. but i mean, at the end of the day you should want to be with someone who loves you and not a false idea of you.
if i were dating someone and they opened up to me about having slept with a prostitute, because of the stigma around virginity and everything, but that they are actually ashamed about it etc. I'd most likely have full understanding and respect that they'd share it with me early on. if they told me a year into the relationship I'd have significantly less respect.
> fake
A sex worker simply accepting the word “dominate” and instead of asking to elaborate, they go hardcore on you
> gay
Anon spat in the face of opportunity when thousands of other anons would be hundreds to be in
The Church sould be using Anon's story to keep young people from premarital sex instead of the Bible, like holy shit how does one gets himself into this situation
Anon is still a virgin, just not an anal virgin. Not only did anon fuck up his asshole and ability to take a shit, but he fucked up on not being a virgin.
I guess anon has to see another prostitute.
I feel like most people could work out they probably wouldn't like gaysex before they pay to get themselves destroyed by a Brazilian prostitute, but thanks for the public service announcement, I guess
Wait, this reminds me of the greentext of a guy who paid a prostitute hundreds of bucks to shit in his mouth (he had a scat fetish obv). His regret was instantaneous lol.
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