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Do you think the UK will adopt a 4 day working week?

Posted by Sea_Puddle@reddit | AskUK | View on Reddit | 230 comments

Also what would you do with your extra day off if we did transition?

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urgentassistance@reddit

Only Iceland has implemented it successfully nationwide. UK is simply not able to. Jerkoff country.
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Talking_Nowt@reddit

We're having a culture war over where the work gets done. We're so resistant to change as a nation. The idea that we'll adopt that full time can be 30 hours and 4 days is a tough one to envision. Maybe it will happen but I've got at least 20 years before I retire and I'm not expecting it to be implemented while I am working. No matter what the evidence says about it working.
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minecraftmedic@reddit

Wait, when people talk about a 4 day work week do they mean doing 20% less work than a 5 day week? I work in healthcare and recently moved to a 4 day week, but still do 40 hours a week. I thought that was what it meant. The change has been a great improvement though
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BillOakley@reddit

20% less _hours_, not 20% less work.
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TenzinRinpoche@reddit

Lol exactly since studies show the average employee only works like 2-4 hours a day. It's all a big scam.
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minecraftmedic@reddit

Ah, hours and work are pretty much equal for me. None of this slacking on Friday that I hear office workers talk about! 20% less hours would be 20% less work.
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VolcanicBoar@reddit

Oi, I'd appreciate some accuracy in that statement. Although I WFH now, I have always slacked off every day.
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minecraftmedic@reddit

Lol, I appreciate the honesty! Seems like my statement has rustled a few jimmys. I'm always seeing people on Reddit say "Friday is basically a write-off" or that they actually only do 20 hours of productive work a week.
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VolcanicBoar@reddit

You'll find fewer things more precious than redditors. I used to work in healthcare IT (service provider, not on-site) and we'd slack then too. There is unquestionably a difference in the overall capability that our roles provide for slacking off. When wellbeing depends on what you do, you can't afford to do it. Lots of people get all holier than thou, claiming that they put 100% in to their office job all of the time. Those people are liars or fools. I'm probably not a prime example, despite being quite "well respected" (in my industry, not on Reddit lmao)... but it's 10:25, and I'm on Reddit, from my home office.
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minecraftmedic@reddit

Yup, can't slack as easily in healthcare when you have a waiting room full of patients to see vs having to get a presentation ready for several days time.
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VolcanicBoar@reddit

Asking me to do a presentation? That's gonna be at least a couple of weeks, and a few more for peer review thanks.
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ARobertNotABob@reddit

So you have a 10hr shift for 4 days intead of an 8hr shift for 5 days, right?
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minecraftmedic@reddit

Yup
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sirfletchalot@reddit

I understood it as instead of working for example 8 hours a day over 5 days (generalising for context) you would work 10 hours a day over 4 days, so you still do the same 40 hour work week, but condense it down to 4 days. Yes, it means longer work days, but personally I'd rather do a couple extra hours a day over those 4 days to get a 3 day weekend. Unfortunately, people who work in places like Healthcare, emergency services, retail or the hospitality sector will not benefit from this, which is why I think we havnt seen it yet. All the office pen pushers are all for it, right until they realise the local pub will be closed when they leave work, then they change their minds quicker than their pants the morning after a dodgy curry
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yellowbin74@reddit

I've been doing 4 day weeks for 2 years now. It's fucking brilliant.
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TenzinRinpoche@reddit

Lmfao I bet. It genuinely sounds like utopia to me.
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sjw_7@reddit

Its like the resistance to remote working. If your job involves talking on the phone and rattling a keyboard all day odds are you can do it from pretty much anywhere. We got into the habit of going into the office which started in Victorian times. Then Covid really shook things up for a lot of people. It showed that you dont necessarily need to be in the office to be productive. Poor management is the main reason for forcing people to come back to the office. With the right leadership, processes and culture many jobs can be almost exclusively done remotely. Prior to Covid we were in the office three days a week. Now its perhaps three days a month. It doesnt work for all jobs and it doesnt work for all people. Everyone is different and some may prefer or feel the need to be in an office. Also there are a huge number of jobs that simply cant be done remotely so remote working is only open to a minority albeit a sizeable one. The company i work for is saving millions every year in travel and accomodation expenses because a large portion of the workforce can be remote most of the time now.
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Tnpenguin717@reddit

There are a couple of elements that I cannot see elsewhere that are a problem with implementing work from home. Obviously its sector dependent whether its doable in the first instance but a couple of things: New trainee staff are not going to come sit on your lap at home to be trained up. Yes you can say they can call you if they have a question, but this really will not ever beat how much trainees learn by osmosis with everybody being in the office, having someone immediately there to answer a question, etc... Theres is no way people I have trained up in the past will be anywhere near as competant at the job if they remotely worked. Similarily its picking up on things that they may not consider a mistake. There is a big push from government to get people back into the office as well for a few reasons:- 1. Energy efficiency - having your heating on at home in your inefficient house just keeping you and the wife warm is not good for the environment and energy efficiency. Commercial Units now have to have a minimum EPC rating and its going to be much more green warming 30 of you up in a EPC A office then it will be at individuals homes with EPC X. 2. City Economics - In city centres full of office workers we tend to support those business already established, we all have a fat friday chippy lunch every now and again, thats less likely when you are at home. 3. Business Rates - No way does the government want business reducing the sizes of the commercial units they pay rent and Business Rates on, coffers would dry up. 4. Pension Funds - our pensions are in a right mess already, but many of the schemes are the ones that own and rent these office buildings, you have firms on mass reducing space, theres going to be a lot less rent return on all our pensions. 5. Residential Density - both sides of government all have local MPs in suburban/rural communities, with the electorate putting the pressure on to not have anymore new houses built near them. WFH takes away one of the main draws of living in the city, proximity to the office - a lot of people will want to now move out of the city, get a garden and a bit of countryside - but government prefer high density inner city developments, when the demand switches to rural homes it will breed discontent (if it could get any worse) with the government not delivering on building mass amounts of larger housing what everybody is now screaming for.
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sjw_7@reddit

>Theres is no way people I have trained up in the past will be anywhere near as competant at the job if they remotely worked. Then that is a reflection of you more than them.
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Tnpenguin717@reddit

Its a reflection of certain jobs in certain sectors, unfortunately some roles require more than a comprehensive training course or degree to become the best, not all skills are acquired through a textbook, nor can you mark some peoples work and provide sufficient feedback without listening and observing their behaviour, full context and tone in person. A court transcript will not always provide a full picture. Again this is not all sectors, I am not in the particular field, but as an oversimplistic example take IT Support... S\*\*ts Broken -> Fix it -> Its Fixed -> Job Done; understandably in such a job WFH is probably viable as the process and results of your work are very objective and easily measurable. Contrary to the above, consider businesses like Estate Agency, indeed the simplified process is List House For Sale -> Find Buyer -> Sell House -> Earn Fee (a measurable result); however, if your negotiation staff have a very poor telephone manner generally - the transcript/file notes show they have done their job (getting the sale through) but had a sh\*\*\*y tone throughout compared to what someone with a bit more experience would take - the objective measure of success is the house sale still goes through in both cases, however, with the former the customer service will be nowhere near as good as the latter -> the customers word of mouth marketing is going to only recommend the agent they liked dealing with... leading to fewer or greater amounts of instructions - fewer instructions due to poor service is not easily measured - how do you measure a lost instruction that you never got the original lead for? Its not always what you say its how you say things or offer x as a solution to a rare hold up - you learn these skills by observing others. Similarily other professions the work is far more subjective; the best approach and optimal result are not as easily defined - take business negotiations, where you need to build rapport with customers, the aim not only to get a deal agreed (very measurable result) but also to provide quality customer service (to get repeat business) as well as agreeing the terms of the deal to be the best possible - not so measurable - as you may never know if you could get better terms once agreed. In the latter instance, as we know, people want to do deals with people they like, hence better terms tabled to agree a deal. In complex negotiations its not a case of the textbook being applied in every case, a valuable skill is identifying the character of your clients/suppliers, applying years of experience, to understand whats the best approach/tone/manner to do business with different people and adapt your procedures in order to give you the best chance of a successful business transaction. You cannot teach every permutation to take in every case within the confines of a classroom, the only way to become the best at this is by observing colleagues, taking in how they do things then adopt some things they do that you think work well and dismiss things you don't think work well into your own approach - asking colleagues questions along the way as why they said x on the phone instead of y - we are not robots, individuals build their own styles on how to deal with things by learning from how others have dealt with non-standard scenarios. To become the best at your job and open up more career progression opportunities, you need to learn from the best. The top people in your sector may be your boss/colleagues, many of the very best are the busiest people, not ones with the time available to sit you down in a classroom and give you a lecture, but by being in the same environment and shadowing their actions on the job, you are going to learn so much more than what a structured training course will teach you; if a designated trainer for a company could teach you how to become the very best at a particular position they wouldn't be training they would be doing the actual job themselves, being too valuable to a firm to underutilise their expertise. Personally, I did all the courses, obtained a degree, learnt all the academic/textbook elements of my chosen field, but I learnt far more by shadowing one of the best in the industry for 6 months than I did in the previous 5 years of formal training. What about peoples personal circumstances? We all have personal issues that occur that can affect our work life, whereby talking it through with colleagues can help, whether it be just a soundboard or taking on workload on their behalf providing a bit more breathing space. Not everyone will be as forthcoming with their issues as to call you up when WFH to discuss things; maybe because of their character or because you have WFH isolated work life, you have not built up as much as a personal relationship with colleagues as you would in an office environment; some peoples closest friends are from their worklife. Obviously some people will not be forthcoming with their issues if they are in the office or not, but if they are in the office, even though they may not say anything, a lot of the time colleagues can get a feel from your general mood that something maybe wrong - may be prompting one to ask, offer you help or just generally change the way they act in order to lighten your mood or eleveate your workload/pressure as its obvious you are going through a bad time - albeit they may not know exactly why.
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Talking_Nowt@reddit

I totally agree. A well managed business can get the best out of their people no matter where the work happens, in person collaboration might be the answer sometimes and remote focus in others. Arbriatry office targets are idiotic to me.
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Bangkokbeats10@reddit

If it does become a thing there will be massive loopholes that mean it doesn’t apply to people in manual jobs, just like all the other employment rights.
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evilotto77@reddit

They'll just get people to sign a form saying they're happy to work 5 days still, same as they do with the 48 hour limit etc
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scarby2@reddit

Or the opposite where it applies if you're hourly but not if you're salaried and working in a professional or managerial capacity.
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inevitablelizard@reddit

Part of the problem is this country is full of crab bucket dickheads, which directly blocks progress like this. See for example the people who moan about people who have "cushy" jobs - instead of being happy for them and then demanding better work/life balance or pay for themselves, they just want to drag others down. "I'm miserable because of my work life so they should be miserable too". The same will apply to a 4 day week unfortunately. "I worked 5 days a week my entire working life so everyone else should too".
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Kahrii_x@reddit

This sums up the entire country perfectly Bunch of jealous knobs who wish misery on anyone living a better life than them, rather than advocating for ways to improve their own
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NuttyMcNutbag@reddit

I’ve saved your comment as it succinctly encapsulates my feeling towards the people of this place since I repatriated 18 years ago.
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dannydrama@reddit

>since I repatriated 18 years ago. The fuck did you do that for? (/s just in case)
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hlvd@reddit

You WFH don’t you?
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inevitablelizard@reddit

Nope, and I work in a sector where it's completely impossible. I have friends who have various flexible working arrangements though, and work from home on occasion.
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hlvd@reddit

You should try and go WFH, it’s amazing.
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CrabAppleBapple@reddit

'JUsT lEArn tO cOdE bRo!!??!'.
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inevitablelizard@reddit

Sadly I can't do a production job from my bedroom, and I don't feel suited to any career where WFH is even a viable option. I don't see WFH ever being a thing for me, as much as I would like it to be.
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Public-Fisherman-205@reddit

You're a crab, aren't you?
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jayisnewtoallthis@reddit

Not telling you cos you're a fisherman
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thesteelmaker@reddit

What ever gets done, it's got to be done fairly. I used to work 4 12hr shifts on, 4 days off - it was the best shift pattern ever. Those 4 rest days were brilliant, the work life balance was brilliant, so I am all for 4 day week. But, take my current job (recycling). The office staff and management could easily go from 5 days to a 4 day working week, where I'm sure the government would make it that people get paid the same 5 day rate for 4 days. How would you do that for the shift people? I now work M-F 2x10 shift, where production runs 24hrs a day, 5 days a week. Our shift work could go down to 4 days, but the material we get in, would still come in, the 4 day production would not go any faster, so stock would quickly build up. The company would then have to take on more people to keep production going for 5 days a week, which would then leave us working some weird shift pattern to cover it and having our hours and reduced further and our pay would drop. Legislation would have to cover all jobs, so what would happen to a monster like the NHS. If every one had their hours cut by 20% for the same pay, how would the NHS cope. The NHS employs 1.4 million people, if they all had their hours cut, services would collapse as they did during Covid. There are 171,000 police officers in the UK, cutting their hours by 20% would be a life saver for them, but crime would not stop, so that time would need covering, that's an extra 34,000 police officers needed, which is and extra £1.2B pay to cover. Any changes would have to be done fairly.
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Salt_Ad_8893@reddit

NHS isn’t run on a particular timetable as these things are decided on a more localised, department/ward level depending on the type of staff etc. I suspect that what would happen in practice is that companies have to commit to their staff doing an average of 4 working days per week over a certain period, which is hugely watered down but much more workable.
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Talking_Nowt@reddit

Depressingly accurate
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loliamsobroke@reddit

Second miserable nation for a reason.
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Snooker1471@reddit

Yeah but those train drivers....../s
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GreyGoosey@reddit

It’s a sad reality that we can’t as a nation have a civilized conversation while looking at the data to see where the most productive work gets done and then adapt to that. And for many, that will mean savings for both the employer and the employee! It would mean less congested roadways, happier employees, happy people go out more and spend more with their savings from unnecessary commuting, and overall a happier society. I used to contract which meant my hours were dictated by when work needed to be done and it was phenomenal. I worked on average 34 hours a week, but it could be 8 hours one day then 3 the next and so on. Now as an employee, I would say the average day is only about 4-6 hours a day of actual work. Frankly, I wouldn’t even be upset to do 6 hours 5 days a week from home. The arbitrary “you must allocate your time from this time and this time to work even if there is time you don’t really need to be here or you really aren’t up to it today!” Is what demoralises people. Treat adults like adults and they will get their work done - you don’t have to dictate arbitrary rules. It worked phenomenally at my last employer and seems to be at my new one. And for those who say “well some people don’t act like adults”… well then don’t hire them.
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Talking_Nowt@reddit

Absolutely excellent post
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ARobertNotABob@reddit

> … well then don’t hire them. Indeed. From top to bottom, HRs these days seem to only seek to fill a role, not hire *talent*, I must assume because they lack the talent to do so themselves, which is what happens when you reduce interviews to practiced responses to sets of "how did you" scenarios.
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GhostOfKev@reddit

>We're having a culture war over where the work gets done. We're so resistant to change as a nation This is happening in every Western country ( and probably not even entertained in the rest)
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banedlol@reddit

I used to work 4 on 4 off 12 hr days and much preferred it to mon-fri 7:30-4pm. Even though it was less hours. One thing not mentioned a lot is that with these patterns, your holiday becomes more efficient. I used to be able to book off 4 days and get 12 whole days off in a row which I really miss.
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FeistyUnicorn1@reddit

Possibly! I could see the school week dropping a day to save money and then that would add pressure from working parents to drop a day.
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SickPuppy01@reddit

The big problem will be people's hourly rates. Take for example a hospital. It may well be able to increase an admin person's productivity so they can do 5 days work in 4. If they do that you are increasing their hourly rate by 20%. But what about the nurses and doctors. They can't fit 5 days medical care into 4 days. You can't nurse more productively. So do you up their hourly rate in line with the office workers? Same applies to everywhere where there is a mixture of manual and office work (factories, police force, fire service etc). There is a potential imbalance to address. Why should some people be effectively paid 20% more when others aren't?
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A-Light-That-Warms@reddit

> You can't nurse more productively. Of course you can, that's a daft thing to say. With more time off nurses would be less stressed, make fewer mistakes, have better bedside manner etc. Productivity comes in far more ways than merely patient turnaround. > There is a potential imbalance to address. Why should some people be effectively paid 20% more when others aren't? That imbalance already exists.
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Al-Calavicci@reddit

Who’s looking after patients whilst the nurses are having that extra time off, we’ve got a shortage as it is. Nurses work three days a week with twelve hour shifts. Which is a real life example as to how the only way certain jobs can reduce days is by increasing shift hours.
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ThatWhiteThing@reddit

We have a shortage because they're overworked and underpaid and it's shit. If they had better quality of life you'd get better quality nurses, the kind who you'd actually want to be nursing you.
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172116@reddit

> we’ve got a shortage as it is? We might not have a shortage if they were less burned out!
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A-Light-That-Warms@reddit

You are arguing against something I have not said. If you want an answer to your question you're going to make that challenge to someone who actually suggested rolling this out to nurses. You will note that my comment is purely a challenge to the false idea that nursing can not be more productive. I did not express my views on a 4 day work week in that comment. You would need to read [this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskUK/comments/1bk5lnb/do_you_think_the_uk_will_adopt_a_4_day_working/kvvx8b3/) for them.
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Al-Calavicci@reddit

Ah ok, I hadn’t that other post. I just presumed you were talking about nurses being more productive and working less hours as that what this thread is about. Probably my mistake.
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liwqyfhb@reddit

Pretty sure they just mean that you need to cover the hours. I don't know the details but there must be something like "there needs to be minimum 2 nurses present on Ward X 24/7"? You can't drop everyone to fewer hours per week and still deliver the same coverage.
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A-Light-That-Warms@reddit

I did not make an argument for nurses cutting their hours.
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liwqyfhb@reddit

I'm not countering your argument, I'm saying you've misunderstood the point of what you're quoting.
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A-Light-That-Warms@reddit

They said "you can't nurse more productively", this is objectively false.
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liwqyfhb@reddit

Only because you've taken one sentence out of context, rather than understand the post's argument. https://philosophy.tamucc.edu/notes/extracting-arguments The original post is about 4 day working weeks. The first paragraph of the post you are responding to talks about how some jobs would find it difficult to "do 5 days of work in 4", and the challenges of adjusting hourly pay. They are clearly just using nurses as an example of where that is the case. You can be more productive and do a non-time-critical job in fewer hours, and pay the workers a higher hourly pay. But you can't run a 24x7 nursing operation with defined staff:patient ratios if you only have enough staff to cover 80% of the hours, so you have to employ more staff to reduce hours, and so you can't pay the workers a higher hourly pay. None of the things you are saying about nursing productivity are wrong, but they're irrelevant to the post you replied to. The unfortunate reality is that office workers will probably end up drifting into 4-working-day weeks for 5 days of pay. While time-critical jobs like nurses will be left behind doing shift work at the same hourly pay they've always had. Strongly unionised jobs like teachers and nurses will suffer the most because they will inevitably refuse to reduce staff:patient / staff:student ratios on the grounds of 'safety', fearing job losses. And then wonder why there's no money in the budget to increase their wages.
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Palpomeme@reddit

You list ways in which nurses would be more effective (which I agree with) but I don't think in the context of nursing that is the same as "productivity". Are nurses going to be able to take blood or administer medicine 20% faster because of the extra rest? There is a fixed amount of hours worth of work that need doing, the extra rest might mean that work is done to a higher standard but there's still a days worth of nursing to account for.
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A-Light-That-Warms@reddit

If the work is done to a higher standard as you say then there will be fewer mistakes meaning less rework meaning better productivity. Nurses absolutely can be more productive with better rest, just like any other profession.
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Palpomeme@reddit

Less rework does increase productivity but do you think 20% of nurses work is redoing stuff that was done wrong? That needs to be the case for a 4 day week to have the same productivity as a 5 day week, with the benefit of better quality of the work. You're missing the point that while extra rest will increase the quality of work it will not increase the quantity (productivity). This applies to many professions, can a better rested builder build a house 20% quicker? Can a factory worker build cars 20% faster? Yes it might be done better which is a separate point, but there's still the same amount of hours worth of work to be done but less working hours.
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Codzy@reddit

Yes, you pay people more for their hourly rate. If the same productivity is seen for 4 days vs 5, why shouldn’t the hourly rate reflect that?
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shadowed_siren@reddit

Hospitals are already staffed on completely different shift patterns than a “normal” office job.
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IgamOg@reddit

People are leaving medical professions in droves because of overwork and burn out. Four day week may very well reduce staffing issues in NHS and attract more people into the proffesion.
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inevitablelizard@reddit

The council trialling this recently actually said this was their experience, that the better work/life balance actually helped them recruit staff for difficult positions to fill, and also retain those staff. So there's definitely something to be said there.
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Mr_Emile_heskey@reddit

I feel we have a hard enough time to cover 7 days a week, I can't see the nhs changing to 4 day weeks ever. It's a shame because I'd love to do that, I just can't see it happening.
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liamthelad@reddit

To talk about something besides points others have discussed below, there are might be areas of innovation within medicine centred around data and AI, or better technologies (or even perhaps better treatments for certain ailments) It's not a fixed area by any means. There might also be benefits to having a population which has to work less and has more time for leisure, exercise, parenting or simply to relax and unwind. You might also allow a lot of people to provide care themselves, thus alleviating the pressures on the healthcare system. Basically, you might be able to avoid certain of the biggest strains on the healthcare system which is more efficient. Because if we're working ourselves into a ground and causing all manner of health issues, the solution....is literally right there. Rather than increasing the amount of people to resolve the issues current work culture is causing.
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smellyfeet25@reddit

I already have . i do not work Fridays. i have a long lovely weekend every week . it is the closest i can get really to a work life balance at the moment.
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rayer123@reddit

It’s just like 15 minutes city thingy back few weeks ago: all stats and facts adds up saying it’s a good thing, actually solves a lot of problems that those people moans about all day round (local business, housing etc), however unable to push forward because apparently the ideal itself sounds ‘woke’. I’m going to say this: us brits never stops complaining, in the mean time doesn’t really want the solution to happen because that means things need to change. Change itself is seemed as a much worse than actually have the problem solved once for all.
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sadlunchboxxed@reddit

I think the majority of public sector, some of the third sector and some large companies will in time but only for certain roles
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I-Like-IT-Stuff@reddit

No, stop asking, it's never going to happen.
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d_smogh@reddit

5 day working week at 8 hours a day, 4 day working week at 10 hours a day. Why not a 3 day working week at 14 hours a day. Let's adopt a 2 day working week at 20 hours a day.?
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Prolapse94@reddit

White collar workers - yeah, maybe Blue collar workers - never
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Harrry-Otter@reddit

If there is evidence that it boosts productivity, it’ll slowly get adopted. There will be the usual suspects calling it “laziness” or whatever, but inevitably difficulty recruiting and retaining staff and the lost productivity will probably change their minds eventually. I’d probably do what I do with the rest of my days off. Go for walks, do house shit, go out for meals, day trips, all that crap.
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Simong_1984@reddit

It doesn't have to boost productivit necessarily but maintain it. If employees are happier as a result, it's a win-win for the company and employees.
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WinglyBap@reddit

I just don't get why companies don't start doing it. If there was one company in my city that did it they would attract so so much talent.
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Barter1996@reddit

If it increases employee happiness but not productivity most companies won't see the merit, regardless of how sensible it is.
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SeventySealsInASuit@reddit

Even if it makes a single employee less efficient if it allows them to retain more productive employees many companies will feel compelled to make the change and once it becomes somewhat standard I'm not sure how long others could hold out. Having a weekend or work breaks were all born this way.
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bahumat42@reddit

Happy employees hop jobs less.
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smeghead9916@reddit

If they are open one day less a week they can save on electricity and heating
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ButItIsMyNothing@reddit

Yeah, and it seems a lot of people don’t realise that productivity is how much you produce from any given input. So working more by itself does not make one more productive. It’s like saying a car has better MPG if it has a larger petrol tank capacity. Also if it’s so obvious that 5 days is more productive than 4, then why not 6 or 7 day weeks? And why don’t we work 18 hour days? Because obviously rest, leisure and downtime increase productivity.
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mh1191@reddit

My previous role billed customers per hour, so "productivity" was time on timesheets.
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ben_jamin_h@reddit

Walk, shit, eat, trip, crap. Sounds like heaven.
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Jason_Booty@reddit

No not in my lifetime. The thing about a 4 day week is that it gives people the chance to lift their head up from the grind and see the actual state of things a bit more clearly. It also gives people more opportunities to reduce dependency and build means of self-sufficiency, both things that the powers that be hate.
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DustierAndRustier@reddit

By that logic people would be doing that in their holidays, and they aren’t.
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xshadowheart@reddit

Bingo. This is why companies won't adopt this even if proven it improves productivity. They want people so desperate that they will accept peanuts for grinding their entire life.
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DustierAndRustier@reddit

Can somebody explain to me how this would work? How could it possibly improve productivity? Would wages be increased? Would shops be closed three days a week instead of two? It doesn’t really make sense to me.
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MobiusNaked@reddit

Doubt it. Minimum wage is about £24 k a year. Same job , same wage would work out equating £30k to cover the extra day. The reality is that we compete on a global basis and many companies would just fold as they would be too expensive to buy from. NHS costs would boom, along with police, fire service, council staff, care homes etc so tax would have to be raised significantly. Better to explore global income and just allow people to naturally decrease their hours.
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weierstrab2pi@reddit

Yeh, cos productivity is so high that we can all just take an extra day off...
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gayratsex@reddit

No definitely not. People like to say it would improve productivity because some small German company managed to make it work once. But not all jobs are about productivity. Warehouses/factories just need manpower. Also you can already work 4 days a week if you want. Nobodies stopping you.
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luc_gdebadoh@reddit

There doesn't seem to be much awareness here of the imminent job apocalypse :/
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timeforknowledge@reddit

I asked this question to Reddit it got 1000 votes: Would you work 5 days for 20-25% extra pay. The answer was overwhelmingly yes... The issue with 4 day work week isn't getting businesses to do it. It's getting people to refuse getting a ton of extra money for working one day more. I can't think of any companies that don't offer 4 day work weeks if you're willing to take the pay cut. Many people at my work do it
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Boredpanda31@reddit

I can only keep hoping!
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Theakizukiwhokilledu@reddit

Not entirely sure how I even feel about a 4 day work week.i actually enjoy my job a fair bit. Through the week when I have made no plans I just go home and watch TV or play on my consoles. It's not exactly massively thrilling. I actually prefer the two days off we get now. Not all industries have early finishes but mine in construction we often times try to finish work early on Friday. I can already see this being a problem because if we worked 4 days a week then early finish Thursdays just wouldn't be permitted at all. Not to mention building things slower is just not in anyone's favour.
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A-Light-That-Warms@reddit

Some companies already have. Some other companies will do. Some will not. For some it will not be viable. Not really any different to the 9-5 mon-fri work week really.
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hlvd@reddit

Most people don’t work 9-5, the majority start 08:00.
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Spottyjamie@reddit

With an hour either side on a slow bus/delayed expensive train/car barely moving above 12mph
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hlvd@reddit

Speak for yourself, takes me 22 minutes to get to work at mostly 70mph.
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Some-Background6188@reddit

I'm self employed I work 3-4 days a week. What do I do with my free time? I use it travel, play games, meet and hangout with people.
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Frosty_Pepper1609@reddit

Probably not, no. When I was working at PwC, they have this policy that if you work extra hours during Monday-Thursday you could have Friday afternoon off. The fuss that S'Lord Alan Sugar made about having lazy workers swanning off on Friday's, shows that a lot of companies won't ever have 4-day working weeks.
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Spottyjamie@reddit

Alan “get these lazy gits back in the office” Also alan “i can do my job anywhere in the world” Grifter!! Also for many people its employers not employees dictating wfh. The company i work for slimmed from 26 offices to 2 with most staff wfh with hotdesks available in an office if they want
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No-Suspect-6104@reddit

The only people this benefits are those who already have a high paying questionable definition of “job”
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splinterandsawdust@reddit

Middle management and above will adopt it. Everyone bellow that will be told that if they dropped their hours then their take home pay would drop a proportionate amount, making it impossible for the lowest paid to participate. Higher ups will treat it like an executive perk
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sjw_7@reddit

I work for a large consultancy. They sell us out to the clients five days a week on a day rate. If they went to a four day week they would need to increase that day rate by 25% to cover the shortfall. I think the four day week would probably last for an entire weekend and the following week the company would be trying to sell us into another client on the spare fifth day at the nice juicy increased rate. Suffice to say our salary would not change at all.
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ProfileBoring@reddit

In most places I doubt it.
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Derries_bluestack@reddit

We have a jobs and people mismatch in this country and nobody in government takes a long term approach to sort it. We have young people who want a job, but are constantly rejected for not having 2+ years experience for entry level work. We have people who'd like a 4 day week but can't get it. We have people in their early 60s who'd like to retire, but can't afford to, and hold onto any job they can - perhaps ones a young person could do. I'm concerned that the state pension age might be pushed back further to 68 from 67 within the next decade. That's another year these people have to find and cling to work. Will the government employ all those 67 year olds? No, of course they won't. Few businesses will. While increasingly people are paying into private pensions, not everyone in their 50s 60s earned enough to retire early on a private pension.
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TheSexyGrape@reddit

Ha no
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She_hopes@reddit

One hospital I trained at did 4 day weeks but the hours were still 40hrs they just did 4 long shifts (8-6.30). Although having that free day is nice most days ur so tired u barely have energy for dinner and then your day off you do chores and the weekend you do more chores and a grocery shop. I'm not totally against it but have 4 days of long shift in a manual job is so tiring. I don't see hospitals giving u 20% less hours like office jobs might as they're understaffed as it is so for me personally 4 day weeks are a meh - I'm okay having them but also okay without them.
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DoctorOctagonapus@reddit

I reckon more and more businesses will adopt it where possible, but as a nation I highly doubt it.
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The_Mercian@reddit

The UK won’t be first or even one of the first. You’d have to see almost every major country do this before we implement it here. That being said seen as it supposedly has huge benefits, any employer could do it right now, not government mandate needed
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Dry_Action1734@reddit

Time and time again studies (including one done by people hired by my employer) have proven productivity over 4 days of work goes up compared to 5, presumably because of the 3 days of rest. If it works, I see no reason to not do it. Again, it really just comes back down to protecting the interests of office building owners, just like the WFH debate.
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Mrmrmckay@reddit

I have a 4 day work week. I like it 😊
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Poseidon7296@reddit

I think some sectors will. And it’ll just make it harder for lots of other sectors. Let’s be honest hospitality, tourism, retail are all gonna have to just work so much harder if we adopt it because more people will expect to be able to use those sectors more. Every weekend being like a bank holiday sounds fucking horrendous. On the other hand it could have a different effect where instead of every Friday night, Saturday and Sunday being insanely busy it’s more evenly spread.
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JPK12794@reddit

I doubt it, the previous place I worked had those very typical ignorant unremarkable business minds running the place into the ground. They said unpaid overtime at weekends, which was common was necessary. There are too many useless people making these decisions to implement real change.
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CaptMelonfish@reddit

There's a tonne of companies forcing people back into the office because they want to justify the rent, and a load of middle managers need to justify their existence. Honestly, a day of rent, and no work does not sound like something these companies will go for.
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Professor_Arcane@reddit

True but these companies are also wasting money on rent and middle managers. Other companies without that expenditure will be able to out compete them given enough time. Especially if interest and mortgage rates start to climb further.
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naitch44@reddit

No because the country is run by dinosaurs.
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WildW@reddit

I like my job, and I don't mind working long hours and/or 5 days a week. I just wish that it didn't also mean losing out on time not-at-work. If they could just put more hours in a day (doubtful) or more days in a week (more plausible) I'd be happier.
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cringedlord@reddit

To be honest if a 4 day work week meant doing 10 hour days, then I'd rather stick to doing 5 days a week of 8 hours each. In fact, if anything, I would prefer working 40 hours across 6 days as prefer to work in shorter bursts. When I was a uni student, I would often study 7 days a week but only do a few hours each day and I found that to be a good balance for me. (I know studying and working are very different, but the point is, I was more productive doing a little bit each day, as opposed to cramming all of my work into a smaller number of days). I think we need to not get hung up on the idea of a 4 day week, and instead focus on more flexible and remote working generally. This would have a greater impact on people who want to have kids, or people who want to structure their free time differently. On the other hand, if you simply mean reducing the total number of hours people work without any reduction in pay, then sign me up! I'd love to earn more for less work!
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ICantBelieveItsNotEC@reddit

I doubt it. Honestly, if given the option, I doubt most people would even choose a 4 day working week. Most people want to maximise their earning potential, and working four days instead of five means getting paid for four days instead of five. "but what if our pay stays the same but we all get to work one day less?" Yeah, and what if a unicorn that shits money decides to nest in my garden? It's a pipe dream. Nobody is going to give you what effectively amounts to a 20% raise for no reason. I think the more likely outcome is that flexible working will become more acceptable as WFH does. That has already happened in my industry - I can step out for a few hours during the day and play video games if I want, as long as I'm still contactable on Slack and my assigned work still gets done.
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Capt_Bigglesworth@reddit

Jokes on them.. I’m not even working three days a week..
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reddboy1981@reddit

I'm sure it will for the bosses bank branches (if there actually are any left) and of course people who work in the public sector but the rest of us plebs will work until we die
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Hamking7@reddit

Fucking hope so. I had Wednesday off and feel great- loads more energy and motivation. 2 days on, one day off, 2 days on, weekend.
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okjob_io@reddit

Fact: In the private sector, the UK is a leading country in Europe and second globally with the highest number of companies on four day week schedules.
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Nedonomicon@reddit

I’d actually be happy to do 4 10 hour days and have a 3 day weekend.
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zxof@reddit

With the state of our economy in the last several years, absolutely no chance. Not in next decade at least.
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nomiselrease@reddit

I hope not, I'm doing 3 days a week atm.
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HipHopRandomer@reddit

Maybe partially. Certain industries and sectors simply wouldn’t be feasible due to time requirements.
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kittycat_x@reddit

I doubt it. It would be nice to at least be able to work from home… my company use to let us WFH 2 days a week and now only 1 day a week. I’m waiting for them to go back to a full working week in the office 😩 Better work life balance is the way…
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WealthMain2987@reddit

Never because they want people to be stressed and not have time to think for themselves. Also managers normally believe you are dossing
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HolyTesticleToosday@reddit

Am 35 so I’m betting it coincides almost exactly with when I retire. Although it’s bold of me to assume retiring will be an option..
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AmphibianShoddy3453@reddit

It’s already a thing for some!
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duowolf@reddit

Hopefully not. Can't afford to work less then 5 days a week and especially wouldn't be able to work more hrs if they did cut it to 4 days. Would not be good at all
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P-Nuts@reddit

We’ve already tried a three-day week. Didn’t work out great.
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Simong_1984@reddit

I don't recall trying a three day week.
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Chevalitron@reddit

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-Day\_Week
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DxTrixterz@reddit

Transition to 4 day working week? Lol. My employer if they could they'd increase it to 7 days a week. We've already went from 8 hours shifts to 12. They'd only be willing to INCREASE work time not descrease.
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realmofconfusion@reddit

I have. Unfortunately not by choice and with a 16% drop in hours/pay. Still, I get a day off midweek, so it’s not all bad (if I can continue to afford to live that is).
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RawWifi@reddit

Can it be done with current pay? I have to do 10 hour shifts to get by on 4 day weeks, some people are expecting 32 hours at the same wage as 40 hours
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Bashsmc@reddit

Id like to see it happen but I don't think it's practical for some jobs. Assuming your employer has to hire extra people to cover your off days so business stays operational then you will face reduced hours and pay.
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TomAtkinson3@reddit

If I had an extra day off, I'd probably end up working on that day. I cannot see how my 5 day week could be condensed into 4
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Talking_to_my_diary@reddit

Why does it need to be condensed into 4 though? The working week just becomes 4 days and you do what you can.
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TomAtkinson3@reddit

Because I get enough work texts and calls on evenings and weekends as it is. Emails too but I generally don't check those unless I'm after something specific. Dread to think what I'd be coming back to every Monday after my 3 day weekend
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Flashbambo@reddit

Yeah you need to ignore those
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Talking_to_my_diary@reddit

Yes but imagine all those people texting and calling you only worked 4 days as well. You seem to be failing to grasp the concept, if a 4 day week had always been the norm it would be working just fine so there's no reason it couldn't if everyone changed from 5 to 4. Everybody would benefit from a better work life balance. Nobody on there death bed wishes they'd work more, many wish they'd worked less.
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TomAtkinson3@reddit

I work in construction, most of my sites are running 6 days a week anyway. The only time they're not is when I take operatives from one site to put on another. I'm surrounded by self employed people who get paid by the day. They're not going to be cutting their own hours by 20% If construction dropped to a 4 day week, things would take longer to get built. We don't have enough of a workforce for others to pick up the slack
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Daisy_bumbleroot@reddit

Sounds like a staffing problem
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Simong_1984@reddit

What do you do if you're able to say?
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PretendPop8930@reddit

Transport for Wales worker here. I've been on a 4 day week for the past 2 and a bit years. It's awesome!
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hlvd@reddit

Most people outside of Reddit don’t work in an office…
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Matt6453@reddit

It's been talked about since I started working 35 years ago so I don't hold much hope. It suits some companies though, some tech and manufacturing jobs already do it but I can't see it being mainstream.
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Dani_Darko123@reddit

I think we have more chance of adopting a six the way things are going .
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Halon5@reddit

My company already has it. 8.30-6.30, Months-Thurs. It’s wonderful, absolutely love my 3 day weekends
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Dennyisthepisslord@reddit

Yes in some jobs.
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Rowanx3@reddit

I don’t think we will. I personally would love for it to happen for everyone but i know it will have a disproportionate effect on office workers than it will service industries. Office workers are the more likely industry to have the 4 day work week, which will create more demand and worse working conditions for those in service industries. 28% of the hospitality sector is already on a 0 hour contract while it being and under staffed industry, adding an extra day of high demand a week will only make an all ready impoverished workforce worse off
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WildHaggis92@reddit

If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is
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Bantabury97@reddit

My job already has and there are issues, I won't lie, but it's definitely help staff feel better. Students too.
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destria@reddit

I went down to 4 days a week and it's lush. My weekends feel so long and productive. I catch up on chores but also have lots of time to relax and socialise. It's been almost a year and the novelty hasn't worn off yet! I have Friday's off and I tend to use it doing errands like shopping because it's less busy than on the weekends. Or on self care stuff, like I get my nails and hair done on Friday's now and I'm treating myself to a facial tomorrow before a wedding this weekend. I have a couple of friends who also have Friday's off so we often meet for a coffee or go swimming or to the pub.
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AdministrativeShip2@reddit

In my case, definitely not. I work in a very time sensitive job. If we lost a day every week import and export would grind to a halt. We desperately need an additional person on 6 days, which despite turning over millions, our c suite won't approve. For a 4 day week we'd need at least 2.5 more. I wish ot was thing though 
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annoyingpanda9704@reddit

I, unfortunately, agree that it probably won't happen in my working life. There are too many people pushing against it. And right now we're in an employers market and many companies are using this time to make less popular moves (rolling back wfh etc.) I do think it's funny that nearly all of the arguments against the four day working week are exactly the same as those against reducing to a 5 day week in the early 20th century.
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Zubi_Q@reddit

I hope so!
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Remote_Echidna_8157@reddit

Yes.  (In our dreams). 
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SavingsFeature504@reddit

I do a 6 day working week 😂 6 on 3 off.
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Bohemiannapstudy@reddit

Yes, in skilled professions. As work becomes less and less worthwhile, people will opt to work less, earn less, and have more free time to persue their own projects. In reality I think people will work more than ever, it'll be 4 days working PAYE, 3 days working freelance/ doing DIY etc.
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fursty_ferret@reddit

No. Having said that if the council can maintain the same half-arsed standard of work that they’re doing on a 5-day week, I don’t begrudge them.
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edent@reddit

If enough people ask for it, yes. I've moved down to a 4 day a week role. I don't do compressed hours - I do 9-5 Mon-Thurs. The major downside is pro-rata calculation of holiday allowance. Oh, and the 20% reduction in salary / pension! There's no minimum working hours legislation in the UK. You are free to negotiate (individually or as a group) how many hours you'd like to work. Much like hybrid / WFH, some companies will embrace it and others won't. Not all companies will survive the transition.
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Sailor-Gerry@reddit

>Oh, and the 20% reduction in salary / pension! This is a huge issue that most don't seem to take into consideration, especially right now where so many are struggling to get by as it is. Great, you'll have more time off, but you'll also have less money to go and do anything with. I think the original notion was a nice idea, the part where people demonstrate that they can be just as productive in 4 days as they are in 5. So the question becomes, are employers paying you for your output, or for your time? I can't see many companies agreeing to continue to pay the same salaries for 4 day weeks, unless the day lost is spread over the 4 days. In which case, is your work/life balance really any better?
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Simong_1984@reddit

A true 4-day week = reduced working hours without loss in pay. This needs to be clear whenever a 4-day week is discussed. It doesn't mean comparing a 5-day week into 4. It doesn't mean pro rating salary according to hours worked. For a significant majority of companies who trial it, it works.
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Sailor-Gerry@reddit

>A true 4-day week = reduced working hours without loss in pay True, as in, the way you would like it to be right? We'd all love that I'm sure. How long before companies start taking people on on comparatively lower salaries that they see more in line with working just 4 days though? And then finding ways to ease out the pre-existing staff on higher wages? How do people working jobs that specifically pay them by the hour deal with this, are they having pay cuts enforced on them? The only people that want this are the workers, the companies certainly don't, just like they don't really want people wfh despite many benefits all round. So who's going to drive it, a benevolent government who want's nothing but the best for it's population??
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graygray97@reddit

True as in the whole point of this thread and what all the research and pilot programs do. Working part time for 4 days a week ≠ 4 day office week. The reason it isn't implemented is as you say comparison to hourly, bonus loving c-suite execs and a nob-benevolent government
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Sailor-Gerry@reddit

Yeah so that's only true in the sense that a trial did it, that IS the ideal yes. Could it work, clearly. As could wfh for a huge % of people, people who've done it in recent years with no drop in productivity. And what are their employers trying to do now? Yep, get them back into the office, to spend unnecessary hours travelling every week, and unnecessary travel expenses for the pleasure. Unless people are becoming MORE productive with a 4 day week, then the only people benefitting are the workers. It could happen, I'd love it to happen, it won't happen.
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ThereIsNoDog96@reddit

I would love to see an argument against a 4 day week which couldn’t have been used before we switched to a 5 day week.
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goingnowherespecial@reddit

Companies are already adopting it, though. Which in turn will drive more companies to adopt the practice. As employees will leave those that don't. Companies want to be seen as good places to work and need to have ways of attracting employees to work there. By your argument, no company would offer more holidays than the minimum or above the minimum employer pension contribution. It benefits the company by them retaining and hiring talent.
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Simong_1984@reddit

What you're doing isn't a true 4-day week as it's intended. We're trialing a 32 hour work week across the whole company (down from 37.5 hours) without any loss in pay. If the company can fundamentally change the way it works to retain productivity, there is no reason for anyone to be losing pay without costing the company a penny. Your last point is spot on.
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broccolistewlmao@reddit

I think the UK could, but over the long-term, at the detriment of its competitiveness in the world. Attractive international companies who are willing to pay big bucks will be deterred from hiring in the UK. Brits might feel entitled to their 4-day work weeks, but the world moves ahead without it - with the rest of the world being more willing to work.
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castle_lane@reddit

As with a lot of progress we’ll have to wait for a certain demographic to go over the next 20 years who all legislation is geared toward in a society built by and for them.
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TheMinceKid@reddit

Lol no. The Sheriff of Nottingham wants his money.
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Pitiful-Eye9093@reddit

Raise the wages and lower the hours = job creation.
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heyitsAbbiex@reddit

I hope so I prefer having more days off and doing my hours all in one go x
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Spiritual-Archer118@reddit

My company has a 4 day week! We’ve had it for a couple of years now. We work 9-5 (or flexible hours, but roughly 8 days per day) on Monday-Thursday and didn’t lose any pay. It’s great. :)
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JandsomeHam@reddit

I actually think we're a lot closer than people think. I know people in higher management levels at a lot of big companies have already done it.  I expect pretty quickly over the next few years for companies to be doing this
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mrchab97@reddit

Evidence is positive so absolutely no chance it gets implemented. Theres no way
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S4mb741@reddit

I think working from home and 4 day weeks are positive steps but I think the fundamental change we need is to pay people to do a job with significantly less importance placed on the hours done and where that work is carried out.
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Random_Nobody1991@reddit

I don’t think so. It would only work if earnings stay the same, but for most people, that means the same weekly hours and I don’t know if I can be bothered with 9 hour days.
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360Saturn@reddit

I think not for a while, unless it's enforced. Even if it would be practical on many levels, a large number of people are against it, just because either a) it's change and they don't like change, or b) they don't have anything they'd rather do on another day. I know that sounds unbelievable but a we probably all know a workaholic or two.
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Succinate_dehydrogen@reddit

Not unless the people with money have something to gain from it. And possibly not even then.
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pysgod-wibbly_wobbly@reddit

Nope, they want us all tired. If we all have free time and more energy we may start getting ideas and asking more questions.
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SmegmaSandwich69420@reddit

4 day week for what is currently 5 days pay, less work same money, right? What would I do with my extra day off? Work 2 days overtime a week instead of just the 1 I do now, probably. Would still be doing 6/week though.
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Dan_85@reddit

Would love to see it, but I would be amazed if it happens in my lifetime. Government and CEOs in this country still believe we should be working in the same way we were in 1995 ffs, despite society and technology having drastically changed.
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DerpDerpDerp78910@reddit

Not as long as most people bill by hour. They’ll work you to death to get the dollar. Think lawyers, contractors, builders etc. It’ll be a small amount who will get to do this I think.  The only company I know who did that was a board game company. So their profits aren’t really tied to time.
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pgboo@reddit

I hope so and rest would be my preference.
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SGPHOCF@reddit

The 'I can't have it so nobody can' crowd will ensure that it doesn't happen. In 2021 and 2022 there was some really good momentum around reducing hours and having a better work life balance, which annoyingly seems to have disappeared of late.
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GeneralQuantum@reddit

Only if they can pay 70% of total.
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Simong_1984@reddit

Why 70%
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GeneralQuantum@reddit

They get more money from you.
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BannedNeutrophil@reddit

lol no Reddit has a fantasy that one day soon, we're all going to be working 4-day weeks and getting UBI. It's just that, a fantasy. Quite an old one at that.
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leonardo_davincu@reddit

Yeh, like the Industrial Revolution and how it reduced the amount of hours worked by people. Oh wait, that did happen.
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BannedNeutrophil@reddit

Okay, I'll add in the implicit bit for those that need it spelling out: *In living memory.*
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leonardo_davincu@reddit

It really only needs the next step in automation. With AI, that could very well be on the horizon.
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Jason_Booty@reddit

I agree that widescale automation is on the cards, but... What do you consider more likely. Option A - the vast majority of work is automated by AI, and the dividend of this is distributed to the average citizen in the form of reduced working hours and varying forms of UBI , allowing citizens to focus on higher pursuits like family care, education, sports/arts and civic engagement Option B - the AI dividend is pocketed by capitalists, whilst the average citizen is subject to the same working hours expectation and must compete over fewer working opportunities. Those who fail to find work are told their own laziness is to blame.
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BannedNeutrophil@reddit

That's the point: it was on the horizon with the internet, with the office computer, with the mainframe. If you remember this sort of thing happening before, the rhetoric is very familiar. It's also worth pointing out that AI is currently in a bubble. While it is extremely useful, there's a *lot* of hype far above and beyond its actual capabilities and the practical reality of its use in business. We won't know what its real impact is likely to be until we get past this dot-com stage.
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imminentmailing463@reddit

Yep. You see a lot of four day weeks fantasies knocking about and I don't think people really think about all the practical issues that will prevent it happening.
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Simong_1984@reddit

You also see some companies fully adopting a 4 day week. It's not a fantasy for them. I don't think people think about the ways to overcome some of the impracticalities.
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Wd91@reddit

My problem is I haven't actually seen anyone attempt to provide solutions to the impracticalities for the many jobs it's actually impractical for. Everyone on reddit is a software developer where a 4-day week is completely fine, so thats great. But for the countless other much more hands on and service based jobs I just struggle to see how it works without crippling services and raising costs.
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imminentmailing463@reddit

That's very different to the country adopting it. Much less complicated. The entire country moving to a 4 day week would be a hugely complicated undertaking, much more than I think some people realise.
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Sailor-Gerry@reddit

>Reddit has a fantasy that one day soon, we're all going to be working less and getting UBI for sitting playing computer games. Probably ties in with this notion that mass automation is a good thing for people as they won't have to work... Yeah, great, you won't have a job, are all of the companies going to start giving everything away for free then as well?
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HeathieHeatherson@reddit

No because the daily mail would piss and cry and claim it's woke somehow, and the government would dutifully listen.
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Al-Calavicci@reddit

No not across the board because so many jobs aren’t able to work four day weeks unless the shifts increase from eight hours to twelve hours.
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gazchap@reddit

This is why it'll only really work for companies large enough that they can hire multiple people in the same role, so that all five days are covered, but not by the same person.
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Talking_Nowt@reddit

But why cover 5 days? Why do we not cover all 7 days now? These issues are because people are wedded to the idea that the working week is a fixed period of time. It doesn't have to be. It's such a big change that people immediately can't see it happening because they can't think of anything other than a current standard week.
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Beer-Milkshakes@reddit

Plenty of companies close at 1pm on Friday anyway. You're right. We're wedded to the idea and we try to explain why the idea needs to stay. It doesn't. Everything can change.
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Al-Calavicci@reddit

That only works for the jobs where productivity can be increased to allow hours to be decreased. Many jobs that’s simply impossible.
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Al-Calavicci@reddit

Yea, and then prices have to go up to cover those extra staff, so it’ll never work for those companies.
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leonardo_davincu@reddit

Your 2 comments are at odds with each other. Your first mentions having to work 12 hour shifts which is known as condensed hours (working the same hours over fewer days). Your second comment is about hiring extra staff which would cost more money. Both aren’t simultaneous. It’s one or the other.
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Al-Calavicci@reddit

My second comment was replying to a post about those businesses that would have to hire extra staff.
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Al-Calavicci@reddit

Yes it is one or the other, my point is not all business can just work with reduced hours so need longer shifts (ten hours not twelve, my mistake there) over four days, where other business can increase productivity so have a four day week with eight hour shifts. It’s not a one size fits all.
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rexorzzz@reddit

Then there's companies like mine that are large, multi-billion pound corporations, and we're all working 9 hours a day, 5 days a week. If we want to do 4 days a week they ask for 12 hour shifts, and then reduce your holiday allowance to make up for lost day every week
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SpudFire@reddit

How much would your holiday allowance decrease by? If it's 20% and you get paid for the full 12 hour shift then that makes sense. E.g. if you get 20 days A/L (excl. BHs) doing a 5 day week and that gets reduced to 16 days A/L doing a 4 day week, there's no difference, it allows you to take 4 weeks off work either way. If you kept 20 days A/L, you'd then be getting 5 weeks off, so it's the equivalent of them giving you additional 5 days A/L now. Left out bank holidays to simplify things, I assume you should still get all 8 of those.
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rexorzzz@reddit

What you worked out is correct. But they neglect that 12 X 4 is actually 3 hours more work than 9 X 5. It's 30mins break for either shift. There's no benefit for doing the extra 3 hours as it's a static salary... Only get shift premiums for night shift
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Simong_1984@reddit

The company I work for provide 6.6 weeks holiday. On a 37.5 hour week, that's 6.6 weeks. On a 32 hour week, thats still 6.6 weeks.
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mrafinch@reddit

I don’t see the big problem with the 4 day work week. It’s probably not going to work to have the entire country off an extra day, that may have too much of a detrimental effect to *The Numbers*… so why not just give everyone an extra day off, so it’s staggered?
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TheLonelyWolfkin@reddit

No. We've already seen some pushback on Remote working with companies going back on their promises and either making roles hybrid or forcing people back into the office. Reducing the hours their employees hours in the office and allowing them for free time? Ha, not a chance.
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smasherfierce@reddit

I work 3 and a half days and use the day off to mostly do stuff around the house and run errands. Nice to be able to go places/ring who's needed on a weekday and get house stuff done without eating into the weekend
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iamamisicmaker473737@reddit

dont wait for eveeyone else 😂
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dbxp@reddit

It doesn't make sense for a lot of roles and things are moving more towards 7 days a week opening. I think we'll see more work based around hours and work produced, some people may choose to spread that over 4 compressed days.
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KateEatsKale@reddit

Not as the norm, no.
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Forsaken-Language-26@reddit

I already do a four day (well night in my case) working week in my job and it suits me, although it does mean working longer shifts. I don’t see it catching on as a whole though, this country is pretty resistant to change.
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WeDoingThisAgainRWe@reddit

Can't see it. Like bank holidays (but even more so) it would be a case of works for some and not for others and will never be across the board.
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BreqsCousin@reddit

Eventually yes. It might take a while though. Jobs that need doing 24/7, everyone already does shifts, more people will need to be hired, the norms for how many / how long shifts make up "full time" will change.
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