Started out with the 5.25's; I did see a computer that used the 8's once. Didn't bump up to the 3.5's until college, though they were in common use by then.
Never used cassettes.
Not to be that guy, ok I’m going to be that guy. The 3.5 are also floppy disks just inside a hard shell. A hard disk would be the drive inside the computer which consisted of a hard disk similar to a CD. Now to answer your question, I used 5.25 and 3.5 growing up.
I had no idea. I remembered it as hard disks not existing on early computers (I grew up with Macs), so we called the little 3.5 guys the hard disks. Sounds like that's incorrect?
Do you take the fun out of everything? :-)
Yes, I suppose your plan would work too. I guess it seemed to me the disk is more useful to tear apart and see the guts rather than actually keep it usable.
Macs had hard disks. So did PCs. They also had 3.5” and 5.25” floppies (the disk is not the container it’s in, it’s the disk inside, both 2.5” and 5.25” disks are thin and floppy, hard disks used larger metal platters).
I remember it the same as you. And I also remember being very confused when we got our first home computer with a hard drive in 1992 - a whopping 25MB.
I was just poking through a 1993 Macworld magazine over on archive.org, and in the issue, Lacie is advertising a 1GB external hard drive for the low, low price of ONE THOUSAND DOLLARS.
Damn, crazy how the tech advances because our first home computer in 95 had a 1000MB hard drive, and 16 MBs of RAM, floppy drive and a 4X CDROM drive. Unrelated to space it also had Pentium CPU clocked at 100 MHZ, and probably a soundblaster 16 sound card.
Our computer teacher would wave around the disk and say "this is a floppy disk" as it flopped around and then wave the hard disk and say "see not floppy"
My computer teacher taught us that we should only move the mouse in straight lines because going in circles (like the Macintosh tutorial showed) would wear it out. Not all computer teachers were very smart.
You're not wrong that early computers didn't have hard drives, but that's earlier than Macs. You're talking Tandy, C64, Atari 400, Apple IIc, etc. Those computers had tape drives, floppy drives, cartridges, or no permanent storage at all. Hard disks/hard drives of this era like the MacIntosh had were not ejectable. If it ejected, it was a floppy disk despite the hard shell and the HD (short for high density).
It is a very common mistake, I took all the computer classes in high school that I could. One of my teachers would correct us every time we said it wrong.
Same experience. When our class transitioned from the actual floppy black disk to the one with the hard case we all called them hard disks and were corrected every time. I didn’t get it at the time. To this day even though I know they’re all floppy disks I still want to call it a hard disk.
It was explained to me that inside that plastic case was a floppy disk, just like the softer ones had, whereas a hard disk has a metal plate inside. It wasn’t about the outer casing. I had a family of computer nerds though.
Yeah, it's an easy mistake to make for the average person. They were all called floppy. For one reason, calling the smaller ones "hard disks" would have been VERY confusing, as the long-term internal storage of a computer was / is called a "hard disk drive", commonly shortened to "hard drive".
It's because hard drives were actual thick metal discs that spun inside the machine. So hard disc and hard drive were synonymous. Floppy discs, even inside the 3.5 shells were still super thin (floppy) discs that spun.
For some types of early hard drives, you had to run a command to stop the hard-drive head that was flying across the disk and "park it" in a safe spot called a "landing zone" before turning off the computer or it could damage the disk.
No, they never were. Early on, they were referred to as "microfloppy" drives to distinguish them from the larger form factors, but "hard disk" already referred to something else.
Some references:
* [InfoWorld, June 1983](https://books.google.com/books?id=zS8EAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA1#v=onepage&q&f=false) -- see "Shrinking drives increase in storage"
* [InfoWorld, Sept 1985](https://books.google.com/books?id=iS8EAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA33#v=onepage&q&f=false) -- see "Microfloppy Popularity Creates Dilemma for Manufacturers and Users"
I always just called them 3 and a half inch floppies. Never heard microfloppily, but I was also a kid so probably wasn't exposed to much tech marketing.
I never heard microfloppy; that’s a much better term for it. The sales people our local stores at the time referred to them as hard disks when I was young and it confused the hell out of me when I finally saw real hard disks.
Both. 5.25" when I was little, 3.5" by the time I was in middle school. I still have my college portfolio with pockets for 3 x 3.5" disks. I turned in many of my computer science assignments on those things.
I remember the last two, but not the first one. The Commodore 64 with the 5.25 inch floppy was the first computer I used. The 3.5 inch diskettes were common through high school. I've only ever seen the 8 inch floppy disks online well after they were common.
The first time I ever saw an 8" floppy is when a friend and I stumbled across a dumpster full of them behind a warehouse. Naturally we decided to see how well they'd perform as Frisbees (not bad at all).
Back when a 50mb drive was the size of a brick, I worked RMA receiving at a computer company in San Jose and saw them occasionally. We didn’t ship a lot of servers with 8” disc drives.
Tangentially, once me and a friend rode our bikes up to local strip mall and looked in Blockbuster dumpster, only to find DOZENS of porn VHS cassettes.
We were like 11, and let me tell you, this was even better than the time I found half a Playboy in a drainage ditch.
Pretty close! There was this woodsy area between subs that had essentially become a BMX track/fort building area. Stashed in a fort.
That area is also where we went to smoke cigarettes and where I almost blew my hand off with a quarter stick.
I have no idea how I didn't die or get arrested as a tween.
Nope. Just another product of our time.
When you got exercise and fresh air playing Darwin's Great Game.
Drano bombs were another favorite. Easily assembled. The key was to be just far enough away that your eyes wouldn't get burned out when it blew.
In our local abandoned house in the woods we had a cache of nudey mags along with cigarettes and other quality items. I heard stories of porn magazines being found in ditches. I thought it was all bullshit till one day I found one in a ditch walking home from school.
I guess once “used” no one wants to get caught with them.
Ha! Sounds like we had a very similar time. I'd just take off on my bike all day. If I ended up at a friend's I'd call my house and leave a message on answering machine if they weren't home.
Or if I was purely exploring, then a payphone let mom know I was still alive.
My drink of choice on a long ride was a root beer N.Y. Seltzer.
My friend and I once found an old 70's porno on a reel in an abandoned building. Her grandma had a reel-to-reel player so we watched part of it before deciding it was gross and weird.
I don't remember if there was sound, but I do remember it being, like, Swedish or something? Definitely not made in the USA and didn't make me want to watch any more porn. We worked hard for that disappointment, though.
The 8” ones were early and mostly just used for data storage, before games were popular or needed that much space. My grandmother wrote genealogical books and used them to store data. By the time games were sold 0n disks 5.25 was the standard
If you're too young to have used a 5 1/4" floppy, you're not a Xennial you're a Millenial. If you're old enough that you weren't still a kid growing up when 3.5" floppy disks came out you're not a Xennial you're Gen X.
If you think people ever referred to 3.5" disks as "hard disks" you're some combination of technologically illiterate and/or too young to even be in the Xennial conversation.
Being a kid for the 5 1/4" to 3.5" transition is actually a pretty bang on Xennial litmus test.
Unless you went to school in one of the few districts to neither get Apple IIes with Oregon Trail floppies nor PCs with Oregon Trail floppies donated in the great Apple vs Microsoft war to habituate kids to their OS early with tax writeoff-able donations of equipment and your family didn't have a computer at home because they were still pretty expensive. In which case, mega bummer, and you don't have to know shit about floppies to still be a Xennial.
I still have my sx64 and my regular 64 stored somewhere. I started using them for my construction business. I used the Sierra Online software for the spreadsheet and the word processing to do proposals. The best part was waiting for the floppies to load.
Oh lord. I worked as a PC tech for awhile as my first job. Soooooo many small businesses had tape backup at the end of the 90s. I remember one vet's office was the most horrifying. They didn't know why the tape stopped working but it was VISIBLY full of matted melted dog fur. We sold them a new setup. Maybe we could get it working again as it's a pretty mechanically based system, but they really needed some type of storage where the fur wasn't going to be as much of an issue.
25 year IT guy here
I remember tapes filling up and needing a second tape put in to finish backups, yet the sites we'd tell to swap tapes never would. They would then complain when something couldn't be recovered.
As far as I know these folks never complained. I walked into that mess because they wanted their system checked for Y2K compliance, and I was the sucker who did that anytime she didn't have web clients (not as often as my boss would have liked, probably). They had just been printing everything for a paper system, just cheerfully chugging along that way. It was easy to find something cheap that would meet their needs that was much more secure than their then set-up. AGH.
I wore out my copy of Pharaoh's Curse...it just stopped working one day and that was it, never even met anyone who ever played or even heard of it. Atari 400 I think. There's one on eBay with the cassette drive... what a turd.
Ha, I appreciate the sediment but I know it's horrible. I don't give a fuck what games they make or re-make or emulate from now to eternity. Nothing will ever replace the feelings I had back then. And I'm not crying, you are.
In case you want to check it out, it's here: [https://archive.org/details/the-pharaohs-curse-vic-20](https://archive.org/details/the-pharaohs-curse-vic-20)
And it's actually not really horrible! It's actually really damn impressive for an 8 bit game!
Yeah, I just watched this...https://youtu.be/AG8duK6QJoA?si=zUncGLI44QNovPKR I don't think my version had a level code like you see when he gets all treasure... fuckin 1983 on title screen. I forgot about that damned bird.
Yeah the emulator online one I found was for a Vic system I think, which would probably be a smidge different than the Atari 8 bit version, but not TOO different.
I dunno, replaying some has been really great for me. Games that were good during that time had to be REALLY good to get past the bad graphics and limited abilities systems had then. The Atari 2600 version of Centipede is still my favorite, and Tower Toppler is still surprisingly good, as is Bubble Bobble....
Saw the first one on older Olympia computers.
Do you know the “datasette” for the C64?
I saw it the first time in Germany, some kind of cassette type storage medium was used on those. Rewind tape, press play. Start typing commands to load the game files (list) or just start..
I actually forgot the command..
Load “*” ,8,1 (run main application?)
Load “$” ,8,1 (show file list?)
Id never seen 8” IRL until a job i had a few years ago.
I liberated a stack of them, then gave a ton away at a conference
They were only used in mainframes really.
Same here. Don't remember ever seeing 8 inch disks when I was a kid, but 5.25 and 3.5 inch disks were both very common. Personally used 5.25 disks first as I had Apple IIe computers at school and an IBM XT PC at home. Didn't use 3.5 disks until later in elementary school as I recall.
Nice! I used to write my papers in elementary school on my grandfather's Commodore 64 and I played Dig Dug and a couple other games on it occasionally. I think I only ever used the 5.25 inch floppies until the 3.5 became common in mid- to late-90s.
Really? A xennial and you grew up with 8" floppies? It's certainly possible but I feel like I'm an elder xennial and I've only seen them a couple of times.
If you wanna split hairs about the definition of growing up with, then the answer would be 5.25” and the 3.5” floppies. But yeah I’m almost certain a few of the old computers at my elementary school had 8” drives. They were around enough to remember them.
Wow. I never had that experience. My understanding is that the 8" disks were used more in business and industrial settings, but it's certainly not unlikely that your school bought its first computers earlier than mine did.
Yeah I couldn’t tell you what they were used for. Hell now that I think about it I don’t even know if they were used. I remember seeing the massive floppies in my computer teacher’s office. Maybe he just had them as a novelty? But that dude was a super geek. We had a huge dot matrix printer lab set up, and all of the Apple II’s were running a networked copy of Oregon Trail so we could see eachother’s grave stones. “Mr. Walton’s Fart Breath” was a popular epitaph phrase.
I grew up with a "portable" PC with a tiny amber screen and dual 5.25" floppy drives, I didn't see the 8" floppies until I was in a college IT course and the guy brought some in as a novelty
The IBM PC “portable” suitcase deck! My dad’s first PC (Taken in after my brother decided he wasn’t up for Engineering in 1985 and didn’t need it for college.)
Yup, not sure what that first one was called but the others were 5.25 inch floppy disks and 3.5 inch. Mainly if you broke open the plastic or slid over the metal cover you would see the floppy disk.
The 3.5” was a diskette, marketed as a floppy drive for the same reason a Cable Digital Unit is marketed as a Modem. That is what people are used to calling them.
I’m aware of that but that was one of the buzzwords in the early 80s when they were selling them, I assume to differentiate them from the softer 5.25” disks.
I was afraid to be “that guy”, but our computers teacher screamed this at us so many times I couldn’t let it go, so, thanks for thatguying so I didn’t have to 🤣
I remember the middle one being a floppy disc and the right one being a diskette. You know, because the right one wasn't floppy but rigid.
Then again, I was like 4 at the time.
At times we called the 3.5" floppy disk the 'hard floppy disk' because they had that hard plastic shell.
I encountered all three varieties but the 8 inch variety was pretty rare by the time my old ass started using computers.
I don’t remember that at all.
They called the hard disk drive a hard disk drive.
We had Macintosh computers - they always just called it a disk or a floppy from my recollection.
I was starting to wonder if it was regional also, but I grew up in Massachusetts. I’m only today learning that the majority of people appeared to have called them floppy disks
I was one of them. I remember the grade school argument.
Calling the 3.5” ‘floppy’ when it clearly is nothing of the sort is *stupid* even if it is correct. And the idea of an internal drive (aka hard drive) was completely alien in the age of the C64/128.
A lot of them had the HD symbol on them for high density or something, I guess I can see how people thought that plus the tougher case meant hard disk. But yeah, still a floppy.
On the inside of the 3.5" shell, is a floppy round disk. Just like the others. They were all called floppy disks.
The picture we are discussing came from here: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floppy\_disk](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floppy_disk)
A hard disk is the one inside the computer that holds the US, data, programs, etc. All of these are floppies. The use of these three actually overlapped, and I was around during their use.
Found some of these and used the 8 inch as frisbees and the 5 inch as shurikens and the 3.5 took it apart and tried flicking the disk with the metal center ... best is the 8 inch.
Two of my friends had Commodore 64. I really wanted one, but parents would not shell out as I already had Sega Master System.
I did actually get a used C64 free or very cheap. But did not even turn on, while parents would not pay for repair.
Eventually got a home computer in 1999. Cannot remember specific model for life of me (though was certainly not MacOS).
To answer more directly: I guess had the middle and smallest size shown here of magnetic disc media. Even the 1999 computer may have been compatible with both, while I don’t think C64 was compatible with the largest of three.
"Deskmate"
That was their own proprietary shell firmware. That was built into the motherboard.
Weird, isn't really the word. It was actually really ahead of it's time.
This other company named Microsoft created this thing called "Windows" and that was a wrap in terms of competition
There's actually quite a bit of lore and even treachery surrounding the entire transition from early interfaces to what had essentially become the standard GUI (jeez, I feel so old even using that word).
Obviously much had changed since then, but the shift from text based commands to visually oriented interface was revolutionary
This is just making me want to play number munchers, Oregon trail and where in the world is Carmen sandiego 😄 We also had this game that was like some sort of swinging vine in the jungle game I can't remember what it was called though.
But yes I lived through all three of these.
I think Carmen Sandiego for teaching me the most fundamental aspects of geography. If it wasn’t for them, I would have absolutely no idea.
But having some concept were bagdad was and what it was when I was in fifth grade is kind of impressive.
I used to love Mickey’s space adventure and F19 stealth fighter
Sierra was *founded* by Ken and Roberta Williams, but they hired a lot of other designers who helmed a lot of the games. In the early days Roberta designed and Ken did the programming, but by the '90s Ken was strictly doing CEO work and Roberta was only designing a few series: King's Quest, Laura Bow, Mixed-Up Mother Goose, and Phantasmagoria. If you played other Sierra games then they were almost definitely designed by other people.
I bought Office 7 on floppy disk in college (they were out of the CD version, and the non student price was way too high). More than 40 floppies. Painful install.
You’re talking about the 3.5” floppy disks?
Maybe you grew up somewhere very different from me, but hard disk = permanent storage drive attached via IDE cable inside your computer, and floppy disk was all three of the pictured items.
Yeah, the 3.5” disks were called hard disks to differentiate from the others, which we called floppy disks. I didn’t expect all the disbelief when I posted, don’t like how your comment and others are so dismissive of what I grew up with, but that’s what we called them.
Sorry to offend. I'm guessing you're not the only one that called them "hard disks" because they're not very floppy. But what did you call the internal 3.5" IDE/SATA drives that were also hard?
I appreciate that. Just got through texting my family to try and figure it all out. For our first computer, a Mac, we don't remember there being a hard drive. We saved everything on the 3.5s. Then when we got our second Mac we thought it was really cool that the computer itself had a drive and we didn't have to save everything on a disk. We can't remember if we called that internal drive a 'hard disk' or 'hard drive.' We think we called it a 'hard disk,' then may have changed to calling the 3.5s 'floppies' at that point. There may have been an internal drive on our first Mac but we weren't aware of it so didn't reference it at all.
I dreamed of having a Mac when I was younger. I remember playing zork on the 5 1/4”, and I worked a tech support job where people would send in backups on the 3.5”, sometimes it would take 40-50 floppies for a single backup and we’d have to sit there loading them one by one.
Good times.
I also had a C64 tape drive. (Same idea -- they're all magnetic storage.)
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Yeah, I just meant Europeans in general had a much broader experience with loading games from cassette 😊
Feels like in the US it was mostly used for the early systems, and then we mostly used disk drives by the mid-80s onward.
Really? But in Europe those tape based systems were often from US companies. For example the transition from Commodore 64 -> Commodore Amiga involved switching from tapes to floppies. Commodore was one of the most common computer brands back then but they were a US firm.
Yep. Wendover just did a bit on it
Harddrive evolution has essentially peaked/starting to plateau. But tape technology really hasn’t evolved since the seventies to 80s so a lot more potential growth and dense, cheap storage.
Yeah.
First computer I ever used was a Commodore PET with a tape drive. By the time I finished elementary school, the Commodores had all been replaced with Apples.
I grew up with one apple computer and 20 kids in the third grade classroom. Switching between computer time, which was like 20 minutes a kid. I just can't remember if it was a daily or weekly thing.
Back in elementary school, we had Oregon Trail on the middle sized floppy.
Then in high school it was the small hard disks.
I had a case that held 6 (I think) they were semi transparent, bright pink, orange and blue...
Amazing thinking back remembering I had no problem using 1.35Mb!
Then sometime around sophomore or junior year of uni I switched to USB flash drives... Bumped up from half a dozen MBs between the various disks to a single device holding 256Mbs.
And now... My phone has half a terabyte of storage + 2Tb cloud storage...
I started with the 5.25”, but *mostly* grew up with the 3.5” diskettes.
My elementary school had Apple II’s that were old by the time I got there. Two 5.25” floppy drive pods under the monitor, IIRC.
Both? we had a crazy old pc with like a few games like digger, we didn't do much else I think our mother used it for work, then we got the brand new apple computer the teal one.. good god I would give anything for that back! But our old pc had both floppy and hard disks. Would be so interested to see those now!
I started with the 5.25”, but *mostly* grew up with the 3.5” diskettes.
My elementary school had Apple II’s that were old by the time I got there. Two 5.25” floppy drive pods under the monitor, IIRC.
Our first computer was some kind of PCJr. clone that ran DOS and only had a 5.25 floppy drive, no HDD lol
Played all the Sierra adventure games on it though plus a bunch of other DOS classics. Great memories
Yes 😆 all of the above! My dad worked in IT for a major corporation, so we had a home computer sooner than I think a lot of people at that time did, so he did work from home sometimes, so I saw lots of disks. By the time I was in high school, zip drives were taking off, and I used those thru early college years.
I didn't get a floppy disk drive or hard disk drive until later. The first programs I wrote got erased when the computer was turned off. Later I figured out how to hook up a cassette player (like the kind for listening to music) to my TI 99 4a and save my programs to them.
Both. My first computer had a 5.25 floppy drive on it. The next one had both 5.25 and 3.5" "floppy" and then finally, my next childhood computer had 3.5," zip drive, and CD Rom with PD drive (later upgraded to a cd burner)
It's also wild that I've lived through the period where it was a luxury to have a VCR to you'd go to your friend's house specifically because they had a gaming console to entire series being on DVD to physical media is basically dead.
Also: making engines smaller because gas was expensive to making cars bigger because gas was cheap to (somehow) only making big crossovers because taxes are low to electric trucks and SUVs that are somehow bigger than the trucks 25 years ago because fuck everyone outside our vehicle.
I buck both of these trends: still only buy physical media and I have two GS guzzling VW Golfs, one hatch, one wagon.
Yes. I remember getting a zip disc and being thrilled I could hold more than 30 word documents on it.
Had an MP3 player in high school, late 90s. I forget the brand/kind. But I loved it. Held a maximum of 23 songs if I was lucky.
Didn't use a lot of 8-inchers, but being a kid who sharpened her teeth on Apple II and CP/M on a Kaypro, I've definitely used a lot of 5¼- and 3½-inch floppies. Hard disks (Winchesters for those folks outside the U.S.) didn't really become standard until the late 1980's and early 1990's.
The actual mid-size floppies 5.2-inch, via a Commodore 64 and some apple II's at school we played with LOGO on, then 3.5's when my dad upgraded the c64 to a commodore Amiga. We were always the family with home computer. Dad was a certified computer nut. (and MIT grad) Then of course in college it was 3.5's on a PC and Iomega ZIP disks when I studied graphic design. I do remember in a pinch running to the school store (happened to be i the same building as the design classes) and praying they had a mac formatted 3.5.. phew they did. Got one project emergency preserved on it. It might have been a ZIP disk "click of death" issue.. Now everything is all thumb drive, SSD, or cloud..... It's up in the cloud!
That special specific orange or blue or green lighting of the letters on older system, before being white on black screen. Some systems screens had some mesh fabric over them to kill the brightness of the screens
These are all "floppy" disks. I remember correcting my teacher in 3rd grade (1987) when she called a 3.5" floppy a "hard" disk.
I started using a computer in 1983 or so when my dad, who worked at IBM, brought home a dual monitor (monochrome and CGA, side by side), dual floppy (two full size 5.25" drives), 64kb RAM IBM PC.
I remember "boot disks" to load software. No hard drive. No mouse. But we did have a PC joystick and Microsoft Flight Simulator (which was less a game than a real simulator so I always stalled or crashed my plane) and a game written by Michael Crichton with a talking parrot named Paco called "Amazon." I always ended up being killed by guerrilla soldiers in the jungle.
Those were the days.
I think with the newer generation(s) there's so much of their language which is idiomatic and is also very insular that there's so many things that are incorrect because of either context and also they are just completely eschewing the English language as is. It's as if they have absolutely ignored whatever existed before the rise of Millennials and Gen Z and seriously have no concern for proper English at all and simply rely on Chat gtp or whatever damn app or AI if they're ever in need of doing anything remotely academic. We're going headfirst into Idiocracy at bullet train speeds!
I remember playing computer games in the library in elementary school (85-91) that used the big floppy disks. I don’t remember what the game was but it played “Anchors away” as its opening music. :)
I never had a computer that used 5.25 floppies, but in elementary school the apple IIe computer lab definitely used them. Black and green Oregon trail for life!
My first pc in the mid 90s had 2.5 floppy drive and a CD rom drive. Second pc had 3.5 floppy and a dvd reader/cd-rw.
College computer had 3.5 floppy and dvd-rw. And I had an external zip 250. All the pcs in my college computer labs had built in zip 100 drives. So most of my college papers were saved on zip 100 discs. Those Btw, though much harder than 3.5 floppies were still floppies. They had a very thin floppy disk inside.
By the time I graduated college on the Tommy Boy plan, flash drives had taken over.
Chances are that everyone old enough to use a computer has clicked on the virtual version of these, but anybody under a certain age has no idea that's based on a real physical object.
Used 5,25 on Commodore-c64, Apple ii, IBM-pc and so on. Last time I used 3.5in was 2018 on an older server system. The 8in I have never used but I have seen a system with it.
Grew up with 3.5's. We had a 386 with a 5.4 drive, and a GEOS operating system, at one point but the drive never got used. School had a few Commodore 64's around for novelty.
Not sure if I ever saw a 8in IRL.
I remember when I wanted to get a computer when I was 10 and my parents claimed they would never be useful. I like to bring that up to them now and again when they call me because they can't get their keyboard to work or ask how to download something on their phone.
I used 5.25 at my elementary schools afterschool game club. Played a lot of Oregon Trail. Later when I got my own PC we had the 2.5s and I would go to computer shows to buy freeware games. Yea I know they were free but internet was not a thing for most people.
In 1981 I took a tour of a credit card processing company's mainframe computer rooms. The tour guide showed us how they were replacing tape drives with hard drives. The hard drive units were roughly the size of a washing machine. I can't remember the storage capacity but I bet it was less than a current PC hard drive.
I’m working at the place who’s fortunes where amassed buy making the little metal window for the smaller floppy. It’s crazy how a business can just dry up overnight because of some new invention. The CD
Punch cards, tape drives, then 10.5, 8, & 5.25 floppy drives, 3.5 diskettes, Jazz drives, Zip drives. IDE drives (5mb - I will never fill this up!), SCSI Drives, etc. fast forward to 10TB SSDs in our JABOD -200TB total.
What you have there is an 8” floppy used in business machines. My dad had these at the law office’s mainframe. The 2nd disk is a 5.25” used in home computers. The last disk is the 3.5” disk that came out in the late 80s (Mac plus etc).
Those are all floppies.
A hard disk is the internal storage in your computer.
But yeah, I even remember the 8" ones, my first day of computing class in school, the teacher held one up to show us a floppy disk. I put my hand up and pulled out a 3.5" floppy from my schoolbag, and basically taught the class from that point 😂 (the teacher was a social studies teacher who had zero clue about computers and was just reading out of a textbook)
I am 52 years old and I've never seen an 8" floppy disk in my life prior to this photo. No idea such a thing ever existed.
What's the deal? Were they like super short-lived or something?
Tbh I'm not sure, I really only interacted with the one in my classroom at school (which occurred *after* 3¼" were already common). And I started out with an Apple ][e that had cassette drives, and a c64. My dad and his brother were both computer nerds going way back so we were very early adopters of tech stuff. I don't recall 8" being common at all for home use.
(Born 79)
I had to miss recess at least once in 4th grade because my "Say No to NAFTA" report kept disappearing from the floppy disc I was saving it to, so I had to keep re-typing it in the lab multiple times. That sucked.
My first job using a computer was using an Apple II SE with the integrated screen and a 3.5 inch slot. My first laptop was a IBM ThinkPad with both a 3.5 and a CD reader but not burner. I used it primarily for PowerPoint presentations. When I got a new laptop my presentations were too big to fit on a 3.5 (and no CD burner) so I had to track down an external zip drive. It took hours to get everything moved over. Then when my next computer had no 3.5 drive I had to get an external 3.5 drive and transfer almost 100 disks to CD. Then transferring the CDs to a One Drive. Hopefully I'm done for a while.
Always had 3.5" disks at home. My dad worked for a PC company so the first computer I was allowed to use at home was on those. School was on BBC Micros with 5.25" disks until I was about 8, then they got Archimedeses with 3.5" drives. The only time I've seen 8" disks IRL is at a company where they had everything ever back to the 1960s stored in a fireproof safe.
Most of my floppy usage were the 3.5" floppies, with 5.25" floppies being used on Apple // computers in junior High & High School, never used any 8" floppies, but I did take a Data Processing class in high school that had us make & use punch cards for a minute...! ;\^p
I missed out on the giant 8" floppies, but had a lot of fun with the floppy 5.25" disks on C64/C128 and later on 286 and 486 PCs.
You could make double sided 5.25"-SD out of cheaper single sided ones, by punching a second notch into them with a special tool. (Or cut it with scissors if you are brave.)
Trying the old disks decades later, many of the SD-Floppies for the Commodores are still good, while most of the HD-Floppies for PC have lost their data. 3.5"-HD seem to hold up pretty good.
I've used all three, but only the 3.5 in my own computer.
Man, those bring back such a feeling of nostalgia... sharing DOS games, music, etc.
Oddly, I kind of miss them.
Best gaming experience I've ever had was on an Amiga 500 in the 90s. There was not a better feeling than when your dad's mate in the pub had 100 bootleg floppy disks with games on it for a tenner. Take them home and put them in one by one to see what games you'd got. Sensible Soccer. James Pond. Prince Of Persia. Good times.
Still have mine from when Grandpa taught me!
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I mean... both? Somehow I still have the knowledge in my brain that it's 3.5" and 5.2" floppy disks. I guess they're both intrinsic to my childhood.
But let's get real, when Zip drive's came out, that was what I begged my parents for. 100 MB? sign me up...
I had a class in high school that required a Zip disk. I finally broke down and bought Zip drive for myself. It’s where I put a lot of my Napster music.
I ordered my first computer out of an ad in Popular Mechanics - a Sinclair ZX81 with 4k of memory and I recorded my moon landing program on a Radio Shack cassette player I connected to it - so when I restarted the computer, I could have the incredible time saver of playing the recording into the computer to load the program - which worked over half the time if I was lucky.
All the above.
I owned an IMSAI 8080 microcomputer at one point, with dual Shugart 8" SSDD floppy drives. Later on, dual Tandon 8" DSDD floppy drives. Later, a Shugart 30MB 14" dual-platter hard drive. Also an 8" hard drive, can't remember anymore who the manufacturer was.
All the rest came later with my first PC/XT clone.
Floppy. I made some with tons of “mood board” type pics on it. Wish I still had them (and a compatible computer –would love to see what I saved). Also school reports.
I told some whipper snapper in the office that's why we generally don't use A: and B: drives because they were reserved for these. They'd heard of floppy disks but this was a surprise to them!
5.25” were the mainstream at primary and middle school. They phased in a few Acorn A3000 machines as I was leaving, and high school had 8 pc compatibles - for which we all got given a 3.5”. Felt like we were working for NASA.
I remember getting a ZIP Disk in college and thinking 250 MB was like an airplane hangar where i only had a few suitcases to store.
I do remember the 5 1/4 floppies and how they would bend if you didn’t line them up just right with the A: drive slot. I
I had a Mac then too. They did take 3.5 in floppies. They were just hard. The “hard disk” always referred to the hard drive. Term has always been floppy disks. Even the ones that weren’t floppy.
The true mark of a Xennial. 😂 I remember the look of confusion on the face of the grocer when I asked if they had any “purple” onion. Guy was like “you mean red?” I’m like no.. my mom said purple. It’s purple. 😆
Omg. I corrected my mom on this and she made look it up. So I did and now I know that onions of that color predate the word purple in the English language. That was classified as red. Which is strange because the same thing goes for the color orange which is named after the fruit but redheads have orange hair.
Our computers at my K-8 school were Apple IIe, and they used the 5.25" disks. I actually didn't use a 3.5" until high school, though I know they were around. My school got the brand new Apples in 1987 when I was in kindergarten, and replaced them in 1996 right after I graduated 8th grade.
We had the ‘3 and a half inch floppys’ at home and my school when I started in my first year had computers which took the ‘5 and a half inch floppys’. Their computers were older and crappier than the one we had at home. Plus my cousin who was older gave us about 50 pirated games.
LOL what is a “hard disk” OP? You mean the 3.5 inch floppy disc? The disk inside the cartridge is floppy. That’s why it’s called a floppy disc. All of those are floppy discs. As distinguished from compact discs and digital video discs.
Wasn't there some double density version of the 5.25s bringing them 512k.. just writing what my brain vaguely remembers. And putting the provided tags on the cutout write protected them.
5 1/4 Floppy -> 3.5 Floppy (but it was funny because I used to call that the hard disk when I was like 10)... I remember when my father took me out to buy a $480 hard drive from a Price Club, it was 4" thick and stored a ginormous 80MB . Got to stop using so many floppys after we could "store anything" for now
I remember in first grade we had the floppy kind for computer class and we were told not to put our fingers through the hole which of course a bunch of six year olds immediately did. Very few of them lasted a week lol. After that it was always the 3.5in ones. I had a translucent plastic blue one that I used for all my *favorite* files, which had to be peak late 90s of me.
there weren't too many 8" drives on personal computers although they did exist.
5.25 floppy
surprised no one has said 3.5 "Diskette"
although most people called it a floppy disk as well.
So that’s why they were called floppy. The technology before it was hard 🤯🤣 92 baby. Never heard or seen hard disks until just now. If I wasn’t told, my common sense would of assumed it was vinyl or something related
I remember floppy disks. They were around. I used them to play a couple of old obscure dos games at a friends house. They were ascii based iirc. I wouldn’t say I grew up with them.
We had an Atari before the nes came out, and I remember my grandfather had OLD computers in his garage that didn’t run floppy disks, but cassette tapes instead.
Also, I used a few of those 3.5 floppy’s to save homework to for a class a few times.
I don’t know if that’s what you’re calling “hard disks”. They were always called floppy by everyone I knew. A hard disk was a hard drive.
I loaded games with those. (ie Doom when it came out.). I vaguely remember windows before Windows 95 came out. I forget the number title it was given.
I started with the smaller blue one but my dad had an old computer that ran with the big black ones for his work that had some text adventure games that I loved
I grew up with cassette tapes. You plugged audio jacks into the side of a cassette tape recorded, and the cassette tape recorded the tones put out by the Radio Shack Model 1, and could then decode those tones to load the program back into the computer. My first computer support success was figuring out that you had to record to the cassette at one volume, and play back at a different volume for the computer to be able to properly decode the tones.
I had a facepalm moment with my brother when I was real young about how the 3-1/2" was a hard disk. I totally knew better. This discussion was had in front of an 8088 XT in a case with a cool flip-top hood rocking the amber monochrome monitor, not that basic green one everyone else ran.
I had an Apple 2 with the 2 drives, using the 5.25” floppies and then gradually everything became 3.5.
Quest for Glory 2 came on 9 3.5” floppies. Pretty amazing game for ~13mb.
My dad worked for Honeywell when I was kid, and he sometimes brought home these big circular disks - I think they might have been disk packs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disk_pack). That's what hard disks were to me.
When I was maybe 10 or 12 my parents got me my first computer -- an Apple IIe. I knew the 3.5" disks were so much better than the 5.25" -- not only did they hold way more info (like 800 KB vs. 128 or something), but the rigid shell and sliding metal cover protected them way better. I remember so many 5.25" floppies getting ruined.
So I was sure I wanted the rigid 3.5" drive for my computer, and I asked for a "hard disk drive"... the guy was very confused why I would want one for an Apple IIe, since it cost more than the computer (many thousands of dollars) and held like 10MB or something.
Finally I realized even the "hard" 3.5" disks are still called floppy disks, unlike hard disks.
Although I remember all 3 kinds of floppy disks, the ones that I USED the most as a teenager was the smaller hard version.
Because the other floppy disks were more, oh I saw those at school sometimes.
Grew up before “disks”. First programs were punched and reloaded on a teletype ASR33 paper tape(~1.5” wide). Had to carry them around with rubber bands around the rolls.
I always thought the 5.25" were so cool because you had to turn a lever to lock them in. All the machines I ever had used 3.5". Hell, I was using 3.5s up until 2003!
My father sold shareware at computer shows. I don’t think I was around for the 8” floppy’s. We always talked about them in size. Do you want that on 5 1/4 or 3 1/2? lol.
I am proud to say I have used every version of saving from elementary school through college and beyond. Floppy disk to hard drives, to the cloud. Wild ride.
I had the 5.25 in elementary school. It had been phased out in favor of the 3.5 by the time we got our first tamily computer which also had CD-ROM which was pretty new at the time.
From 3rd grade until my freshman year I went through all 3 of these. Played Oregon trail on the big one, some game where you swung through trees like Tarzan on the medium one. And the last one had my first word documents and c++ programs.
Our first computer was an apple 2e with the 5 1/2 inch floppy disks. We had jeopardy where after a while the same questions always came back up. And a game called matchsticks. Or we just made stupid dot matrix banners with print shop. Don't kill the color ribbon lol
3.5 inch disks for sure. We also had a dot matrix printer. That said, our computer was old by the standards of the time when we got it in 1988, but playing Police Quest 2 and other Sierra Games is how I learned to spell. We had it up until I was in Middle School in '96.
I don’t really remember the largest size but the middle one was around for most of my childhood. I remember my brother playing a bunch of MSDOS computer games on those.
1992 I bought an old IBM 8088 and it had a 5.25" drive.... used it to play old DOS games in my basement.
Yeah my first brand new PC I bought for myself was in 1996... so used 3.5" floppies for a good while... I had a zip drive in 2000, then probably some USB drive after that... yeah in fact I think I remember having a 128mb USB drive as my "first" which is insane to consider.
My first computer was Tandy 1000sx 8086. Later added the math coprocessor to make it an 8088. Also added a 30mb hard drive to impress the chicks, had there been any.
USB Flash Drives really didn’t catch on until 2004. So if you did anything in school before 2004, you used at least a 1.44MB floppy disk for saving papers and PowerPoint projects.
Both! Floppy disks until late high school, then the hards. I keep a case on my desk to freak my coworkers out (I’m the oldest gal at my company 😳)
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It was always fun fiddling with the springs on the 3.5 – floppy. Snap, snap, snap. You knew that it was bad for the disc, but it was so enjoyable and the precursor to the first fidget spinner.
Remember when computers stopped coming with floppy drives? Booting into reinstall Windows used to worry that I wouldnt have a backup.
But yeah. Making those boot cdrom disks was a PIA
Those are all floppy disks - it’s what’s on the inside that’s floppy.
We had the big floppy disks when I was little - was using 3.5 inch disks still when I was in college. Jump drives didn’t happen until later in college for me.
The small one was standard as a kid but any time I got free stuff from the library or computer lab at school they always took the huge ones. Those disc got me the job I have today. Respect 7
Apple IIE with the 5.25s. I can still hear those clunky startup noises.
Really glad computers didn't keep that green dot matrix thing for long I'd be fucking blind now.
My first computer was an Apple IIe followed by an Apple IIgs.
I remember seeing an add in some computer magazine I subscribed to for 1 MB hard drives that were like $2000 in the ‘80s.
I didn't grew up with them but I did grow up witha computer that runs on them although I don't recall having games for that when I found a floopy disc I just figit the metel plate as it was spring loaded
Remember how fucking sick a STACK of ZipDrives were? You could have like 3 pirated games on one of those bad boys. Sam and Max, Leisure Suit Larry, and Dark Forces. With a note file with the serial numbers for the game and or a Crack.exe
Hard disks. But we had floppy in our old green screen apples in elementary school that were hand me downs from the high school. Voyage of the Mimi on floppy disk.
But the teachers would still say "don't forget to make your 'floppy copy' " when we were word processing a story.
Floppy copy lives rent free forever.
Missed the 8-inchers, but definitely remember 5.25s and single sided 3.5s, before the double sided ones. Had a HS teacher whose "bathroom pass" was an 8" floppy. We also had a Commodore 64 with a drive that used audio tapes for a minute, but I was too young to get any real use of it.
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I see your floppy and raise you a Zip disk
Started with the 5.25 and the 3.5. My first machine was the same age as myself because poor. IBM XT with a 286 add on and 640k of memory. Ended up installing windows 3.0 in real mode on it.
All 3, and also made way too many greeting cards and banners with print shop. Anyone else? We thought it was the ultimate solution to never have to buy a card again. Those stupid banners would print for 30 mins it felt like.
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I remember copying various files off of my Uktima VI 5.25” floppies onto one 3.5” disk. That way if I had the correct disks in each drive I could play with a minimum of disk swapping.
I actually got my start on Tandy Color Computer cartridges, but most of what I did with that machine was with cassette tape, or 5.25” floppies on an external drive that plugged into the cartridge slot.
My first computer experiences were with apples in grade school. They often had 2 5.25" drives stacked on top. I only saw the larger floppy disks when I dug through a hoard of old electronics at my job.
I only vaguely remember the giant sized floppies.
I still have a zipdisk in my possession from 2000ish when I was staff on a college newspaper. Technically it’s their property. I just keep it because I don’t know what else to do with it.
My first computer used casettes. My 2nd and 3rd uses 5.25" floppys. I installed a 3.5 "High density" in my 3rd computer and it was so, so sweet. At least until I got a 2400 baud modem with v.42bis compression and downloaded at a earth shattering 270 Bps.
My first computer was a Gold Star duel 5.25 Floppy Drive with a boot disc and no hard drive. My dad bought it off of QVC around 1990.
We had Sid Myer’s Pirates and I used to play that game for hours on end, sailing endlessly around the Caribbean.
When I was a kid I asked an adult what the difference between floppy disks and hard disks were and got an answer along the lines of “the information from a floppy disk goes into the computer floppy and with a hard disk it goes in hard”. Maybe they just needed computer Viagra 🤷
I used the big one on ibm mechanical equipment called a MICR Magnetic Ink Character Recognition. The most complicated mechanical device IBM has ver devised lol 😂
So we never had a computer at home that used those 5.25s, *but* I have memories of using them in the computer class at my elementary school when I was in K-2nd. Our first home computer used the 3.5s.
Growing up with a commodore 128 I knew 5.25” disks as floppies so when my dad built a PC and told me it had a hard drive I assumed the 3.5” disks I suddenly saw were what he was talking about just because they weren’t floppy
2 outa three, though I might have been around for the first I don't know dates well. My parents kept me doped up on Benadryl. Most of my childhood is a blur, I get flashes, they're not pretty
They were still using the middle ones in Apple IIe models in computer labs until 1995 or so. The 3.5 floppy was still a thing in the early 2000s. Remember Zip drives?
I remember seeing the occasional big-ass floppy disc when I was a very young kid.
By the time I was a young teenager it was 3.5 inch floppys. I still remember using like six of them to install DOOM 2.
\*eyetwitch\* Those are all floppies, one just has a hard shell around the floppy part. Hard disk drives are either mounted into the computer or separate accessory devices connected via a cable (external hard drive). I used all those at various points, also tape storage from simple cassettes on a Radio Shack TRS-80 to fancier Seagate tape drives on Macs, PCs, and SGI workstations. I bet there are still boxes of deteriorated floppies somewhere in my parents' attic.
All of them I think. In elementary school we had the computers that were equipped with two drives. Slot A was for the startup and then Slot B was for running the system further on. Those things were loud too!
You could buy single or double-sided (more expensive) 5.25 disks. The only difference was the square "write" notch cut out on the disk. With a paIr of scissors you could make all your disks double sided by just cutting the noth manually on the opposite side of the disk.
Both. I want to say that it was floppy from kindergarten through fourth grade for me (just to run the computer, no saving). Then the hard disks from middle school though high school.
I remember all three being used at school. But at home, we didn't get a computer until like 1997 or 1998, so I primarily used the smallest one until portable USB drives became a thing.
Why no love for the iOmega zip disks? 😂 I had to pay something like $75 for one back in 1998 to use for storing my digital art projects in high school.
Those are all floppy disks. And I grew up with all three of them. I do remember when we got our first computer with a hard drive. That was life changing.
I’ve actually used 8” floppies. My middle school had a bank of Wang word processors despite the PC and word processing software being a thing at the time.
The first one I used regularly was a 1.2MB floppy. My grandma bought a Commodore 64 at a garage sale in the 90s, and we would use it to play games when we visited, but we never owned anything with an older floppy like that until we had it as a secondhand novelty.
I never used an 8" floppy, though I think my high school's typesetter used them.
In elementary school we started with Apple II's using 5.25" floppy drives. At some point in the late '80s we switched over to Apple II's with a 5.25" and a 3.5", and by mid '90s I think it was all Macs. There were IBMs in the "business" classroom, and I think they had 3.5" drives as well.
My family's first real computer was a Tandy 1000 with both a 3.5" and a 5.25" drive.
By college I had a slew of 3.5" floppies for different classes, as well as Zip disks when floppies didn't have enough space.
All, but I had a computer when I was 3. I placed the Police man in the trashcan because I didn't like him and it crashed the computer. Computers back then had no safeguards.
Both, and my dad had a computer cassette drive and a few tapes too and the programs for my parents' Tandy Trash 80 were on big carts that kind of looked like 8-track tapes.
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