Why are Draco/Ak pistols such a stereotype
Posted by TrinitiveHD@reddit | Firearms | View on Reddit | 57 comments
I dont know if I should be making this post or how to even politely say it so I’m just gonna say it and hope everyone understands that I am not saying this out of hate or any crap like that, I am just legitimately curious.
Why are Dracos seen as a “flex” with all the gangs and crap? I see a ton of videos of people showing off their shitty Draco as if its supposed to be taken seriously, Like when I look at them I see them on the same level as a high point… I just don’t understand…. Like honestly if a Draco is your home defense weapon I am automatically assuming you’re not educated on firearms, am I wrong for this? Like obviously it’s better than nothing but if you sought one out specifically for home defense that just literally is like a mental flashbang for me…
DarthVaderBater@reddit
I have a Zastava ZPAP, longer barrell than a Draco but still pretty damn ineffective in terms of accuracy. The FUN factor though....most fun range gun I have....60 round double stack mag, shoot from the hip & let her rip. Absolutely a freaking blast
TrinitiveHD@reddit (OP)
Brother I am not at all arguing a fun factor man, they look fun as heck, I just don’t get why people see those things and think that is the best self defense weapon for me or my home or any nefarious activity.
DressInformal6139@reddit
Easy to cc, big punch, intimidating in itself so hopefully i dont need to shoot. Can carry loaded in cars and public. State and county laws favor pistols (dracos)
DarthVaderBater@reddit
Yeah hear you on that. 7.62x39 for home defense? Hahaha nope....as a SHTF truck gun? I'd run it
VanillaIce315@reddit
Actual Dracos are true import AKs from Romania. They are 100% factory made— no 922r compliance parts. They are made by the state owned Cugir Arms Factory in Cugir, Romania, under the umbrella of the Romarm defense company of the Romanian government. Cugir factory has been producing a licensed copy of the AKM since 1963. The Draco is the semi auto, export variant of the PM md.90 short AKM rifle. This short, 11” barreled AKM variant has been made for the past 34 years.
There is nothing shoddy at all about a Draco AK. They are in the exact same tier as any other combloc, made for military, AK. Made with all required hammer forged components, a cold hammer forged and chrome lined barrel, and extremely durable manganese phosphate metal finish. Draco’s, WASR, and other Romanian 7.62x39 AK variants have been repeatedly tested and known to stand up to 100,000 rounds of semi and full auto fire before receiver/bolt/trunnion failure. Barrels have been shown to have adequate life into the 30,000-40,000+ range.
Unfortunately for the Draco, hood/gang culture has taken over the term to describe any short barrel AK. And NFA laws being what they are, Draco’s have to be imported in pistol format with no stock. For whatever reason, this image of a stock-less, shortie AK has become a symbol of hood/gang bragging rights also. If a gangbanger is seen with a “Draco,” it’s just as likely to be an M92, the even shorter Romanian micro or mini Draco’s, or a shitty ass VSKA pistol or Pioneer Hellpup..
An actual Draco is an extremely effective tool for self and/or home defense. It’s a very well built, compact AK rifle that reliably slings 123 grain projectiles around 2200fps. It’s been used in dozens of military conflicts around the world for over 3 decades, with its 16” barreled brother being used for over 60 years. It’s been a staple of many different police agencies, and civilians alike as well.
Plastic-Reserve7315@reddit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcVmhag6vgo Romanian AK's are junk.
BoringJuiceBox@reddit
Lmao WASR 10 for $300
V-DaySniper@reddit
I don't know if it's offensive to the AK community or if it's a good thing for taking the hood appeal out of mine, but I had a Pic rail added to the rear of mine for brace or sling compatibility.
DemomanThatHitsPipes@reddit
Learning fashion from gangbangers is stupid.
poopbutt42069yeehaw@reddit
Dracos set up to be more modern and tactical are cool af IMO
V-DaySniper@reddit
That's what I'm going for. It has a sig minimalist folding brace, widwest industries optic mount, and customized upgraded safety. I haven't decided on an optic or handguard yet, I just painted it black because I hated the glossy blonde hotdog bun that was on it.
poopbutt42069yeehaw@reddit
I’m doing similar w an AKV. Making a shorty PDW. Want to slap a can on it as well
TrinitiveHD@reddit (OP)
Hey man, so I’m thinking of what you are referring to the “Mini Draco”, thank you for the serious and thoughtful response, I am glad to hear the actual Draco is quality and usable as a self defense weapon.
VanillaIce315@reddit
Not a problem, always happy to share AK knowledge when I can. The Mini Draco is a quality and usable weapon as well though. It’s basically just a civilian marketed firearm, but it’s still made in the same Cugir Arms Factory. It’s a bit gimmicky with its 7” barrel and look, but no more so than super shorty 5.56 AR’s IMO.
The Micro Draco is also a Romanian Cugir import, but the 5” barrel and overall setup is not very practical. I agree the Mini and Micro are impractical choices, But they are still both made with the same durable and reliable base components as the full size. The biggest market for the Mini/Micro is likely the good culture though, so I can see why those outside the AK realm would think they’re junk. They’re just really dumb 😂
Plastic-Reserve7315@reddit
Its more so the brand than the gun. The name "Draco" is simply just a cool name to certain low intelligence people out there. Its an iconic gun mentioned in gangster rap.
Now not ALL short barrel AK's are "Draco's". The Draco is a Romanian built AKM style gun. Its basically JUST a WASR10 with the barrel cut off of it. It as a gun is not very impressive to anyone who half way knows their shit at least.
The first negative thing to say about the Draco is the sights. It basically uses standard AKM style back sights and front sights and their just not good sights. Not unusable, but its not like a Krink AK which has much better sights for a short barrel AK. The romanian guns WORK but their pretty bottom of the barrel in terms of quality Import AK's. You can get a much better quality AK from a lot of other companies. Zastava, WBP, FB Radom, Arsenal and so on. ALL much better quality guns than the WASR or the Draco.
The Romanian guns are imported thru century arms and they do a horrible job with their QC. Its the Romanian guns that gave AK's such a bad wrap in America back in the day. When it comes to things like getting a gun with sights so canted you cannot actually zero the irons, or poor rivet jobs, or poor magwell conversions leading to problems with certain styles of magazines. Romanian guns see enough of these issues to make it a problem to think about when selecting a Romanian style AK. When it comes to things like the metal they use to forge the trunnions and all the important shit all that checks out. But when it comes to fit and finish, quality of furniture that comes on the rifle, the finish on the gun, the rivets, the sights, and how all the individual parts of the AK fit together, The Romanian guns are not very consistent. Not like other companies importing AK's.
That being said, Draco still sounds a whole lot cooler than M92ZPAP. Or SAM7K.... So rappers use it in their songs which attract the attention of degenerates who want to be cool tuff guys. A lot of them dont know any difference from this ak pistol to that draco.
Their the same kind of people who flex 8 inch barrel ARP's with no fucking brace on it and a muzzle break on the end. Its just people who want gun that makes em look cooler. The buy these things to say I have these things. They dont care to understand ballistics and the dont even care about performance. They want a big ole fireball, and to be able to hide it in a back pack, or some of em are so damn dumb they actually try to conceal it in their south pole basket ball shorts or some shit.
These people are the main ones who make the gun community look like a bunch of assholes. Theyre the ones out here accidentally and purposely shooting people. Living that gang gang shit. Chasing a image.
I guess at least we can take solace in knowing that if SHTF foreal one day, atleast all the bandits are gonna be running around with impractical toys of guns VS real proper set ups for a specific purpose. There's gonna be ARP's and micro dracos all around cause these dudes sure as fuck aint hitting shit with these guns.
Impressive-Hold7812@reddit
Cheap AK in pistol configuration. More portable and concealable than the AKMs they are based from. Really appealing for people that want a big bullet in a tiny platform. Appeals to Hood sensibilitie that may not prioritize ergonomics/stabilizing versus simply having the capability affordably. Because if you buy a Glock 19, as in a handgun, you can buy a Draco. So people in the Hood will use it.
Being a reflection and glorifiaction of that, Rap culture picked up on that aesthetic, and the people that like that scene are going to mimic what they see. Its a self-feeding cycle, now with more normie folk being enticed. Much as morons are wont to copy-paste their favorite guntuber. Different races, same fucking phenomenon. Guess there's a lot of things common across cultures.
Cugir's Dracos are perfectly fine. "Shitty Draco" from you just means you're not even here to argue in good faith. Things run mechanically fine. Cugir/Romarm figured out how to chop barrels and tune components without resorting to Krink boosters.
I bullpupped mine. 12.25" inches of barrel, still about 22" OAL, shorter than a bullpup rifle, which NFA still restricts to 26" minimum. Somehow still in handgun configuration.
I'm around 2250fps on my 125gr loads.
This thing travels around with me in my truck and work-provided lodging. At home I have other platforms I prefer. On the road, this is my baby should the situation escalate beyond what I am CCing.
Before bullpupping, having owned a Vector, I know how to sling-stabilize something without a stock. So when I encounter other Draco users at the range hip-firing, I can approach them with a positive attitude. Turns out a lot do want to be able to shoot it well if needed in addition to it being their fun blast cannon.
Most common advice they accept from me isn't slinging it, but shared news that even with a smooth rear trunnion, they can still get a pistol prace that will mount sandwiched by the pistol grip to the receiver. Better than nothing, and its too easy to let them know: google "M14LH muzzle device" to find a brake, flash hider, blast can/forwarder as suits what they want to address about their specific Draco/variant. 3Dmetal printing only keeps getting better, and a Sharps Badlands does all three for me. Ultimak gas tube rail, and get your choice of cheap red dot like a Sig Sauer Romeo5.
Whose gonna have one typically, Black and Hispanic shooters, let's be blunt. You don't hear Country songs about Dracos, though many rednecks I know run AKs including these. When I talk to these Draco users, turns out some of them served, but there's an appeal to these lil bastard AKs they prefer over their issued M4/M16, or even full-sized AKs with stocks.
Go deep enough into the 2A rabbit-hole of supply, you'll find frangible and purpose-designed tumbling rounds for a variety of calibers. At the surface, most AR15 users would not know to select 55gr M193 equivalents for a commonly available, as in on the shelves in bulk, for bullets more likely to YAW on impact. Hell, their main load may be 62gr m855 greentip equivalent that was tuned for better barrier penetration, oops! People just mindlessly fucking parrot Guntubers. They have to be taught, and being a condescending fuck already shuts that avenue down.
At some point, someone new to guns was ignorant. Either help them out or stay in your fucking lane unless its a safety issue.
New_Variation_1943@reddit
Best reply here. OP(and this whole thread) comes off willfully obtuse in some rant that really just states: “Why are those blacks all sheepishly copying each-other w/ their shitty firearms? Im so much better.”
Old white Fudds follow shitty fuddy logic and trends. Tacticool larp bros do the same exact shit. Its not rocket science.
ExtremeWrongdoer5573@reddit
What ^ he said and I heard that they are actually similar to what their paratroopers would actually carry while in combat.
TheGreatSockMan@reddit
Since you already know ow about the heavy gang use affiliated with them, let’s talk about mission dictating gear. It sounds dumb, but anyone of any profession will do this with any equipment that they can chose.
For example, I have to do a lot of writing for my second job and my company has stopped providing pens. I pass these pens off to other employees and customers, so I may lose them over time. Because I could lose them, I’m not picking a fancy pen like a Parker jotter, but I still want to be able to write well with a nice pen, so I bought zebra ballpoints in a bulk pack.
Likewise, gang members and drug dealers want to be armed for a variety of reasons, but their primary concerns are being able to shoot fast, shoot a lot, and do a lot of damage. Dracos are semi auto, but you can shoot them pretty dang fast, they hold 30 round mags pretty easily, but can take drums to double that number easily, and they shoot 7.62x39 which is a pretty beefy round
Agammamon@reddit
This ^
Draco's are great if you need something small, has decent power, is cheap, etc.
Gangbangers aren't paramilitaries - most of them are poor AF.
Agammamon@reddit
OP, Draco's are maximum gun. They are the platonic ideal of a gunpowder firearm.
PantsShidded@reddit
I just got a Draco 9S and when I did some googling for options I realized I'm apparently the only non-gangsta to own one lol
RandoAtReddit@reddit
No hate, but why 9mm? I thought the whole Draco draw was that you have a rifle round in a smallish package. The 9s just seems like you should have just gotten a Glock (PCC carbines excepted).
PantsShidded@reddit
I already have an FM 9mm AR and a tiny bufferless BCA and I loathe the way Glock mag lowers look. Plus it's something different. I'm actually moving over to Endo/Exomag and CZ evo mags entirely. I just don't like Glock AR lowers apparently.
RandoAtReddit@reddit
Plus the plan is to SBR the Draco.
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PantsShidded@reddit
The hard part is choosing between a triangle folder that requires a reunion swap or a Bonesteel Galil stock.
gdmfsobtc@reddit
Cause you not gangsta unless you got a Draco and a 40 Cal Glock with a switch and extendo mags.
islesfan186@reddit
Don’t forget the green beam
NefariousnessIcy561@reddit
OP you seem uneducated about firearms. Ak’s like the Draco have been used effectively in countless conflicts across the globe. It’s almost as if you doesn’t realize Dracos, or Hi-points shoot bullets too lol.
TrinitiveHD@reddit (OP)
No. No nation is chopping off an Ak pistol to the length that these gangsters are getting and then fighting a war with them. But you can cherry pick harder if you’d like.
NefariousnessIcy561@reddit
Proof again you know nothing about firearms and specifically AKs. Cugir didn’t make Dracos with “gangsters” in mind, like most military arms the firearm that the Draco is derived from was designed and used for military purposes initially. The Draco is essentially the civilian version of the PM md 90, a short barreled rifle used by the Romanian military before the it’s clone, the draco was even shipped to the states. So yes, a nation actually did use shortened barrels for military use.
TrinitiveHD@reddit (OP)
That isn’t what I said so until you learn how to read have a nice day
NefariousnessIcy561@reddit
“No. No nation is chopping off an Ak pistol to the length that these gangsters are getting and then fighting a war with them.“
-You didn’t say this?👆
TrinitiveHD@reddit (OP)
Nice do you know how to copy and paste, here’s your award 🥇🏆
NefariousnessIcy561@reddit
Well I suppose if you can’t answer a question without looking silly it’s best to deflect 🤔. Good job 👏
TrinitiveHD@reddit (OP)
Deflecting to redditors is the best way to retain braincells.
NefariousnessIcy561@reddit
Considering this post, thats a probably a good idea; you clearly don’t have that many cells left 👀
TrinitiveHD@reddit (OP)
I guess not 👋
NefariousnessIcy561@reddit
The silver lining is you got some good info in response, might be enough for a few extra wrinkles between the ears.
TrinitiveHD@reddit (OP)
Naa I definitely lost some
NefariousnessIcy561@reddit
Welllll that tracks
biggzbot@reddit
I prefer my 8.3" Galil Ace
2082604@reddit
Because Dracos are dope, nerd.
They'd probably have stocks if not for the NFA, though. Blame ATF for that.
TrinitiveHD@reddit (OP)
I’m thinking of the mini Draco shit the super short version. Lotta people have mentioned an actual imported Draco SBRd is a really good rifle.
TrinitiveHD@reddit (OP)
Thanks for the answer man, I appreciate it.
donnie_rulez@reddit
AK pistols are lame for sure. AK SBRs are not though. This sub loves to hate Draco's but they are great little guns. Surplus 7.62x39 doesn't need a rifle length barrel, kind of like 300 blackout. Dracos exist because of the Pm MD90 assault rifle, and are the import restricted version of it along with the RH10/Paratrooper I guess. It's easy to import and sell a "pistol" so we get alot of Dracos, m92s, etc.
TrinitiveHD@reddit (OP)
Before the education I got from people in this post I only saw Draco’s as fun range guns but not to take seriously but apparently you can have some really quality AK pistols, and not all of them are the American made crappy ones, so it makes sense when you throw a stock on it and SBR it it would be a fine weapon.
WakingUpScared@reddit
Why are 30 inch rims, Chrysler 300's, visible underwear, malt liquor and prison tattoos such a staple of hood culture? Because people observe the behavior of others and generate associations based on what they see. I have seen this shit in the wild working in a gun store where 5 dudes who were clearly not from my area strolled in and asked to hold a Draco and some of the other AKs. Thankfully they didn't buy anything.
Taymyr@reddit
They're easier to move around the inside of a 2000 Toyota Corolla.
Weekly_Comment4692@reddit
dodge challenger
Acheros@reddit
the real answer is because gang members are poor as fuck.
This is the same reason that glocks are seen as high tier status symbols among gang members.
every low level drug dealer and gang member will lie about making bands and pushing rock and whatever the fuck bullshit some 14 year old heard a rapper say because they think it makes them look cool but the truth is most of these kids are poor. thats why they turn to gang life in the first place, because they're poor, and they're scared and it gives them a way to make money and have protection.
for us, a 5-600 dollar glock is nothing, I see people here bragging all the time about their 2-3 grand safe queens. to a kid on the street trying to look cool on instagram or whatever that's an obscene amount of money.
remember, most gang members use shitty hi-points and 200 dollar shotguns.
TheRealTarzanBoy@reddit
Basically because Draco = AK with no stock. The AK is notorious and easily recognizable even to people who have no clue about guns. Even my little sister who shot a WASR one time 5 years ago knows what a Draco is, heard about it from some rapper I’ve never heard of. Basically it’s a popular gun for people just showing off going “haha look at me, I have an AK I’m sooo dangerous”.
It’s a shame that the Draco gets a reputation as a trashy gun because it’s actually a decent quality imported AK. The Zastava M92/M85, WBP Mini Jack and SAM7K are all better, but the Draco isn’t garbage quality (unless it’s the US made one). My next big gun purchase is actually going to be all 3 Draco models because I want em for my AK collection.
little_brown_bat@reddit
I liken it to "flexing" that you've got a pair of Air Jordans or something. There are far better shoes and many more suited to certain situations. The Jordans are iconic enough though that most people, even those not into basketball know that they're a "flex".
squats_and_sugars@reddit
Adding on, I'd say that any AK-pistol is a Draco to the general crowd, sort of like any AK variant is an AK-47 (even though there are very few true AK-47s out there).
I'd also say that Draco's are sort of like Dodge Chargers/Scat Packs. They are cheap enough to be accessible to the crowd (vs something like a Maybach), expensive enough to be a "flex" over base model stuff, and distinctive enough to be recognizable.
AspirantVeeVee@reddit
High powered, concealable and so unweildy, you/ll hit everyone but who you are aiming at
TheseAintMyPants2@reddit
Because they get 30 rounds of rifle fire to shoot in the general direction of an opp. Nobody’s aiming anyways, no need for a stock.
gooutdoorstoday@reddit
They were/still are the cheapest priced ak pistol, that's why.