Has anyone managed to grab the last transmissions before the crash? Interested how both engines failed. Makes me think a major fuel issue or a catastrophic bird strike?
C’est la vie. Sometimes we just don’t know, fuel starvation is the most likely scenario I’ll give you that, but this is why at the end of the day I always just stick with “I don’t know” with stuff like this. Just saw a king air went down yesterday with dual engine failure off the coast of FL which jogged my memory on this.
British Airways Flight 38 is a textbook example of a plane crashing due to dual engine failure with plenty of fuel remaining on board during engine loss. It'll be interesting to see if ice crystals in the fuel coolers is a factor here as well.
If this was a Cessna 150 or some other yahoo I’d say cure maybe. These guys were pros, I work on the same name field as them.
The low fuel light would’ve been on way before they even started the approach and would’ve landed in SRQ or. Closer airport.
The one ground fatality in the 1985 DFW microburst crash, one poor sod had his car crushed flat by the nose wheel and that impact bounced the plane back up and fly for a few hundred more feet
Jesus Christ, imagine being the guy behind that. Being stressed driving in the rain and a fucking wide body just descends from the sky and crushes the guy in front of you
FAA teaching for last 20 years has been no highway landings. Too much risk of ground traffic conflict. Every 2 years during your BFR the examiner will kill the engines and say emergemcu landing time
Where you gonna go? (Hint)Ya better not set up for a highway. One demerit.
There are houses all along the highway it just looks like woods from there pictures. And from what I heard the person in the car survived but I find it hard to believe.
'Attempted to land' doesn't mean he has full control or many options, it means he did his best to put it down with the mimical amount of damage. And yes, a big highway is preferable to a wooded area.
Both engines failed. It sounds like there might’ve been some bizarre electrical fire and they had to extinguish both engines. Usually you just cut one but they cut both.
Hunks of metal with no propulsion system drop pretty quick
Why is he so popular? I always thought it was poor form to judge pilots before the NTSB report releases. I mean this guy goes on youtube, pulls up the ADSB track, and proceeds to fucking roast dead pilots with 0 context or investigation. I don't care how smart he is, I think he's full of shit.
If you pay close attention, he only states facts. He does an insane amount of research, looking up user manuals and checklists and stuff and then says something like "investigators will be looking very closely at whether the pilots did X."
Have you watched Dan Gryder? Now THAT guy roasts dead pilots like it's his job.
It's Friday. People tend to be more miserable on the Internet on Fridays. Everyone's broke and few will get laid this weekend. There's a lot to be angry about.
Only you're a thin-skinned infant who spends so much time on the Internet you've cratered a hole in your Walmart gaming chair. How does someone like you even get by in life? Your family must find you secretly insufferable.
I live in the area. On the local news they said the three passengers on board made it out with minor injuries. The driver of the truck the plane hit survived also. The two pilots were killed.
and it's not exactly "more than normal" (not saying that these many crashes happen normally) it's just a little unusual and more people are catching on to it. Flight are still the safest medium of transport though.
Good video. I take issue with his “not my business” (re: outside of flying) followed by “instruction is also about being a role model” mild hypocrisy swing and miss, but no one is perfect and I think his heart is in the right place.
Can you help me understand what you mean by “just a little unusual and more people are catching on to it”?
I’m also referring to flight incidents outside general aviation. It ‘seems’ like there has been a higher than average amount of commercial, military, and other large craft that have had an assortment of strange problems and incidents recently. Again, that can be a change in the actual data, a change in my access to the data, or some combination of both- which goes right back to my original curiosity.
I don't want to say that air travel is getting more dangerous, I just feel that more media is catching on to all the events, stuff is happening for more silly reasons and overall quality is going down.
DonWop1@reddit
Has anyone managed to grab the last transmissions before the crash? Interested how both engines failed. Makes me think a major fuel issue or a catastrophic bird strike?
StPauliBoi@reddit
Dual engine failure on a turbine aircraft? It’s fuel starvation 100%.
Sergovsky@reddit
It’s not 100% anything until an investigation is completed.
StPauliBoi@reddit
Cool cool. I'll see you in 2 years.
Sergovsky@reddit
lol…you bet I kept this in the back of my mind for two years….how we feeling after the final NTSB report?
StPauliBoi@reddit
Oh definitely bad. I dun goofed.
Sergovsky@reddit
C’est la vie. Sometimes we just don’t know, fuel starvation is the most likely scenario I’ll give you that, but this is why at the end of the day I always just stick with “I don’t know” with stuff like this. Just saw a king air went down yesterday with dual engine failure off the coast of FL which jogged my memory on this.
StPauliBoi@reddit
I saw that too. Tragic. :(. Thanks for coming back !
Ok_Attempt286@reddit
Yea. You will. Let’s try to not speculate “100%” of anything in the meantime.
StPauliBoi@reddit
Turbine engines are incredibly reliable. The far and away most likely cause for both to fail simultaneously is fuel starvation.
noobsbane283@reddit
Likely does not mean 100%. Hence the call for you to avoid such brash speculation.
SRM_Thornfoot@reddit
Both engines would not quit at the same time like this due to fuel starvation. Also, if it were out of gas that fire would not have been as big.
JABRONEYCA@reddit
A lot of fire for fuel starvation though.
imapilotaz@reddit
I mean technically you can starve the engines of fuel and still have fuel onboard. Impossibly rare in a jet but is possible
19NinetyWho@reddit
British Airways Flight 38 is a textbook example of a plane crashing due to dual engine failure with plenty of fuel remaining on board during engine loss. It'll be interesting to see if ice crystals in the fuel coolers is a factor here as well.
MakeMeFamous7@reddit
They hit a truck and dragged the car against the wall. the fire could have been from the truck’s fuel
nhiox@reddit
Huh? with that post flight fire?
Leave it to the pros to figure it out, your deduction skills are scary bad.
Why-R-People-So-Dumb@reddit
Just a side note here, you do realize that fuel exhaustion and fuel starvation are not the same thing, right?
Could've been a failure in the FSCU resulting in say the tail aux tank still full of fuel and nothing in the mains for the engines to consume.
StPauliBoi@reddit
Lol k
nhiox@reddit
guessing not even a pilot. go somewhere else wannabe ;)
StPauliBoi@reddit
Actually am 100% a pilot.
nhiox@reddit
pretty terrible one then.
Why-R-People-So-Dumb@reddit
I'd completely trust him to fly my mother in law around.
She's pretty large and he has a Cherokee 6 so, good chance she'll fit.
StPauliBoi@reddit
Well at least I’m not a complete douchebag, so I have that going for me.
nhiox@reddit
whatever helps you sleep at night princess
papertowelguitars@reddit
If this was a Cessna 150 or some other yahoo I’d say cure maybe. These guys were pros, I work on the same name field as them. The low fuel light would’ve been on way before they even started the approach and would’ve landed in SRQ or. Closer airport.
Moladh_McDiff_Tiarna@reddit
It feels so bizarre talking about my home airports on here for once, especially in relation to an incident like this
WACS_On@reddit
Or a flock of birds
Funkshow@reddit
Anything else is less than a 1% chance. Fuel is most likely.
SRM_Thornfoot@reddit
No. It is almost definitely not a fuel problem. The engines do not run out of gas at the same time like this.
catbreathhh@reddit
Not saying it couldn’t be fuel related, but they certainly had fuel onboard based on the post-crash fire.
MakeMeFamous7@reddit
They hit a truck and dragged it against the wall. the fire could have been from the truck’s fuel
learn-by-flying@reddit
Last transmission can be heard here: https://archive.liveatc.net/kapf/KAPF1-Tower-Feb-09-2024-2000Z.mp3
Starts at 6:48 into the recording.
The pilot who makes the radio transmission is calm and simply declares that they've lost both engines and they will not make runway 23.
Rest in peace, reports are indicating there are at least two confirmed deaths and three survivors.
jacksonwt2g@reddit
I found it at 9:35 if anyone doesn’t find it at 6:48.
Temporary_Meeting287@reddit
Deep stall Incorrect qty/type of additives to fuel Fod in the tank
Sabotage
Birds
Ice sucked in from on top of wings
Fan balance weights left in intake
Someone might’ve fucked up while carrying out simultaneous maintenance which they shouldn’t have been - it’s happened
Maybe some spastic put skydrol in the engine oil
Pilots could’ve had a legit engine failure and mistakenly shut down the wrong engine.
Formulaben@reddit
This is where we all know you're not a pilot and you get downvoted for spewing bovine fecal matter.
Temporary_Meeting287@reddit
It’s happened. Scandinavian 751. Enjoy “piloting” your DJI drone hero.
Formulaben@reddit
When the temp is 70 degrees? Yes, continue your retarded fantasies.
Temporary_Meeting287@reddit
You seem angry. Did the psych pull your drone pilot medical?
dlangille@reddit
Naples FL USA
Took me way too long to figure that part out.
cjnight26@reddit
You didn’t remember Collier County from Ace Ventura??
dlangille@reddit
Not at all
Darnell2070@reddit
The USA part always confuses me.
Formulaben@reddit
Wowzers, this looks bad. Really bad.
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/3laxryfiduzq968trliws/FullSizeRender.MP4?rlkey=iavcpfze1t49qfnrmglw7xz15&dl=0
bobtheappleman@reddit
Some news sites saying it but a car while attempting to land on the highway
knowitokay@reddit
Picture of the vehicle
Fact0ry0fSadness@reddit
Jesus, imagine you're just driving along minding your business one second and the next you're being crushed to death by a fucking jet out of nowhere.
Life is really fucked up sometimes isn't it.
danbob411@reddit
Gotta check those mirrors….
PlaneRecent@reddit
Need to start checking my blind spot through the sun roof.
rarejesse@reddit
The guy in the truck got out pretty much unscathed. He was videoed on the news being strapped into a stretcher but he was sitting up and alert.
Fact0ry0fSadness@reddit
That's insane. Guy is lucky as fuck.
spunkyenigma@reddit
The one ground fatality in the 1985 DFW microburst crash, one poor sod had his car crushed flat by the nose wheel and that impact bounced the plane back up and fly for a few hundred more feet
HorseRenoiro@reddit
Jesus Christ, imagine being the guy behind that. Being stressed driving in the rain and a fucking wide body just descends from the sky and crushes the guy in front of you
DarkyHelmety@reddit
Yeah that doesn't look good, quite the pancake..did anyone survive in the car?
ScottOld@reddit
I heard they did from somewhere else on Reddit only 2 deaths reported were from the plane
DarkyHelmety@reddit
Imagine explaining this to your insurance 😅 What do you mean you hit a jet???
noochies99@reddit
Then you provide evidence and they just accept it as fact… what’s the big deal?
Own_Bluejay_9833@reddit
It's called a joke my friend
DarthBlue007@reddit
Welcome to Reddit where you get murdered in downvotes for trying to have a sense of humor. 😉
CmanderShep117@reddit
We don't know for sure but by the looks of it I wonder if the casualties were in that truck. Horrible situation around!
nonosejoe@reddit
That pisses me off. Pilot shouldn’t attempt to land with innocent motorists on the road.
Doolander@reddit
They had no engines. I doubt they had much of a choice.
OpeningHighway1951@reddit
FAA teaching for last 20 years has been no highway landings. Too much risk of ground traffic conflict. Every 2 years during your BFR the examiner will kill the engines and say emergemcu landing time Where you gonna go? (Hint)Ya better not set up for a highway. One demerit.
Moose135A@reddit
Yes, much better to go into a neighborhood full of homes. And that assuming he even had much of a choice about where it was going down.
nonosejoe@reddit
There is woods immediately off the road way where he went down. And the news report said “attempted to land”
Tannerrayprice@reddit
There are houses all along the highway it just looks like woods from there pictures. And from what I heard the person in the car survived but I find it hard to believe.
bunnylover726@reddit
The associated press is reporting that the plane's wing hit the car, not the landing gear or fuselage, so that explains it.
https://apnews.com/article/small-plane-lands-interstate-75-florida-e619a4b96a7d0dcd14036fecae6f9ccd
SWFLCane@reddit
Person in truck survived
Moose135A@reddit
'Attempted to land' doesn't mean he has full control or many options, it means he did his best to put it down with the mimical amount of damage. And yes, a big highway is preferable to a wooded area.
Industry__@reddit
Yea if it’s a highway or a bunch of trees you gotta take your chances in the trees unfortunately
Dugoutcanoe1945@reddit
Well I’m the only one who agrees with you here apparently.
l_or_des_fous@reddit
Don't you guys get it? Peasants who merely drive on highways should be sacrificed to make way for more important people who travel in private jets.
Dugoutcanoe1945@reddit
Chivalry is dead.
Industry__@reddit
Yea I’m not sure what flight school these people went to
gravityred@reddit
The one that doesn’t teach you to ditch in trees.
Industry__@reddit
The question is trees / houses / crowded highways
Sucks but you should try to find the most available patch of crash. But we’ll wait for NTSB to do their jobs
Beahner@reddit
I know the area. There aren’t many places to go. If they ran out of time and space that might have been the only shot.
But unless it’s midnight there will be things to hit no matter how much you try.
Horrid accident.
LiLBiDeNzCuNtErBeArZ@reddit
Both engines failed. It sounds like there might’ve been some bizarre electrical fire and they had to extinguish both engines. Usually you just cut one but they cut both.
Hunks of metal with no propulsion system drop pretty quick
Beahner@reddit
Lasting thought from this tragedy is how crazy it is that they only hit one automobile and killed no one on what can be a pretty busy interstate.
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SubtleScreen@reddit
Air Safety Institute gonna be putting out some fire retrospectives coming up. RIP to the pilots. Hopefully some lessons to be learned.
MD11enjoyer@reddit
I was just in holiday in Sarasota and saw this occur
Cool_83@reddit
RIP to the pilots. A 23 year flight attendant successfully evacuated both passengers out of the back of the aircraft. Amazing kudos to that FA.
ReasonableCoffee7@reddit
Blancolirio on YouTube did the best breakdown I’ve seen of this so far
jetmover78@reddit
Hop a Jet challenger 600
GeeShocker@reddit
CL604-5584. A CL600 has lycoming engines/different avionics/ TRs etc. This has GE CF34Bs
mongoose51Z@reddit
damm GE engines
GeeShocker@reddit
These CF34s are some of the most reliable and toughest HBTF there are. And they’re on condition
mongoose51Z@reddit
Just had bad experiences with them (ge) in the military
GeeShocker@reddit
On the A10? They are MUCH better than Honeywells in corporate side of Aviation as far as reliability and parts support and inspections intervals
mongoose51Z@reddit
No the 404s & 129s, I worked on PW F119 for a long time and would go back in heartbeat
Cascadeflyer61@reddit
Sounds like fuel starvation, contamination is much less likely but possible.
RickDosSantos@reddit
2 deaths were reported and it’s from the truck.
dvcxfg@reddit
r/confidentlyincorrect
Livid_Pumpkin2951@reddit
Wrong. Both pilots died. 3 jet passengers survived. Vehicle passengers all alive.
Fragrant-Session5237@reddit
1p
uncutlife@reddit
I'm in psychoville and Finkle's the Mayor!
ZGWX@reddit
Hop-A-Jet has a dedicated webpage for N823KD - everything pictured in the cabin shots are now burnt to a crisp. Hope everyone made it out alive.
cheese3660@reddit
Unfortunately, looking at the aviation safety network, there seems to have been 2 fatalities
Emily_Postal@reddit
The two pilots apparently.
sublurkerrr@reddit
Looks like they tried to extend the downwind but ran out of altitude and airspeed before making it to the airport.
Blueberry_Mancakes@reddit
Me waiting on the blancolirio video..
MelsEpicWheelTime@reddit
Why is he so popular? I always thought it was poor form to judge pilots before the NTSB report releases. I mean this guy goes on youtube, pulls up the ADSB track, and proceeds to fucking roast dead pilots with 0 context or investigation. I don't care how smart he is, I think he's full of shit.
notathr0waway1@reddit
If you pay close attention, he only states facts. He does an insane amount of research, looking up user manuals and checklists and stuff and then says something like "investigators will be looking very closely at whether the pilots did X."
Have you watched Dan Gryder? Now THAT guy roasts dead pilots like it's his job.
JimmyCarters_ghost@reddit
He’s usually right though.
BipBippadotta@reddit
The Collier family, for which Collier County is named, uses that airport. They're worth about $2 to $3 billion.
_MasterChief_@reddit
What did you do to get all these downvotes 😳
BipBippadotta@reddit
It's Friday. People tend to be more miserable on the Internet on Fridays. Everyone's broke and few will get laid this weekend. There's a lot to be angry about.
More_Than_I_Can_Chew@reddit
Like two pilots perishing in a horrible crash and someone making assine comments?
BipBippadotta@reddit
Only you're a thin-skinned infant who spends so much time on the Internet you've cratered a hole in your Walmart gaming chair. How does someone like you even get by in life? Your family must find you secretly insufferable.
ThorsFather@reddit
Imagine calling other people think skinned when you act this triggered
BipBippadotta@reddit
I see you suffer from the same histrionics, which is a derivative of the word "hysteria," the Greek and Latin word for uterus.
More_Than_I_Can_Chew@reddit
Good grief hoss.
Prefocus@reddit
thanks so much dude!
BipBippadotta@reddit
Anytime!
FrankLloydWrong_3305@reddit
Then they definitely weren't in this rental jet
BipBippadotta@reddit
It's a rental? Then no, definitely not them.
FrankLloydWrong_3305@reddit
Registered to Hop-a-Jet
BipBippadotta@reddit
And definitely not flying to and from Ohio State. They're Ivy League.
Ncg89@reddit
I live in the area. On the local news they said the three passengers on board made it out with minor injuries. The driver of the truck the plane hit survived also. The two pilots were killed.
Reaper-Man-42@reddit
Has the past year or so had more aircraft accidents than normal or am I just spending more time in this section of the news?
superuser726@reddit
Watch this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdvkR0o0VZA
and it's not exactly "more than normal" (not saying that these many crashes happen normally) it's just a little unusual and more people are catching on to it. Flight are still the safest medium of transport though.
Reaper-Man-42@reddit
Good video. I take issue with his “not my business” (re: outside of flying) followed by “instruction is also about being a role model” mild hypocrisy swing and miss, but no one is perfect and I think his heart is in the right place.
Can you help me understand what you mean by “just a little unusual and more people are catching on to it”?
I’m also referring to flight incidents outside general aviation. It ‘seems’ like there has been a higher than average amount of commercial, military, and other large craft that have had an assortment of strange problems and incidents recently. Again, that can be a change in the actual data, a change in my access to the data, or some combination of both- which goes right back to my original curiosity.
superuser726@reddit
I don't want to say that air travel is getting more dangerous, I just feel that more media is catching on to all the events, stuff is happening for more silly reasons and overall quality is going down.
Vigi1an7e@reddit
Rest in peace pilots, 🫡
pookamatic@reddit
So assuming this plane was on decent before it lost its engines, aren’t the patterns designed so they can glide in the event of such a failure?
I’m sure there are a ton of variables that may not make this possible but am curious if traffic is typically routed in this way.
Thats_my_cornbread@reddit
Not even remotely.
weech@reddit
I mean when was the last time we had this class of a crash with fatalities. This is a BFD. RIP
DunderLubbin@reddit
See, this is why they need to give jets horns.
knowitokay@reddit
flight path