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New drivers with no guidance. Great plan 😫

Posted by Ok_Commission9026@reddit | Truckers | View on Reddit | 210 comments

New drivers with no guidance. Great plan 😫
Article: https://cdllife.com/2024/fmcsa-wants-to-allow-learners-permit-holders-to-operate-without-a-cdl-holder-in-the-passenger-seat/

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12InchPickle@reddit

They badly want fresh bodies that’ll take any rate than experienced drivers that know the game.
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Lou-Piccone89@reddit

Well they also don’t have to be able to read English so when ur mother gets run over when a driver can’t read “ right lane closed “ , last second kills a family that’s ok now to but if your an owner operator an American OO u better not be missing a mud flap !!!!!
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Viper_tx@reddit

Because its allowed to take the test in other languages... They have spanish cdl handbook in TX.. https://www.dps.texas.gov/InternetForms/home/Details/311
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Lou-Piccone89@reddit

Spanish, plus many others I’m not just talking about Spanish speaking people . Way more. Needs to be in English period because we don’t have any road signs in Portuguese . TMK
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ValuableShoulder5059@reddit

So part of the test should be the ability to read all signs in English that you may come across. You don't need to know the language to know what you need to know.
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Lou-Piccone89@reddit

An they can’t read English an it’s unsafe. But boy if your missing a mudflap that’s a citation cause your a safety hazard on the highway meanwhile you have an operator that can’t read the blinking sign accident ahead slow down . We have all seen it.
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Mommymadeover@reddit

Spanish lol! 😂 Spanish is the least to worry about. Let’s try Punjabi, Arabic, German… Americans are now the minority of the trucking industry.
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herecomethebees@reddit

Check the list of languages Virgina allows.
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oh_mama25@reddit

WE as drivers all need to go on a nation wide strike to demand higher pay. I say we all stop running loads for a week or two. Whether OO or company driver. We deserve better!
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IPhixI@reddit

that's not happening. You'll have some immigrant with no papers but is eligible for a driver's license in the US who will still drive and there's plenty of them. Even truckers them selves aren't doing that in this economy people got bills to pay.
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daemonescanem@reddit

Immigrants aren't the problem.
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IPhixI@reddit

Not saying they are but have some affect to it.
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daemonescanem@reddit

Immigrants are a positive for our economy. The problem is the hyper capitalism & the greed of corporations & wealthy.
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MarkPellicle@reddit

No, if even 10% of drivers went on strike it would get attention. 50% of drivers and there would be absolute panic. There’s not enough people willing to drive illegally to fill that gap. Even if there was, you’d see a spike in crashes and outrage from the public to fix the problem and put truckers back to work.
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masterpd85@reddit

You all can do that without striking. Everyone stop bidding low on job boards and tell your broker you won't take a load below $X. as long as truckers keep taking bottom dollar the loads will keep getting cheaper.
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Vote4SanPedro@reddit

Ex trucker current Carrier Account Manager at Brokerage, (I don’t have customers, I work as a single point of contact with a number of carriers and handle their entire book of business with our company) and it drives me nuts to try and sell my guys loads we have for 1.50 per mile, it’s tight everywhere. On the brokerage side we’re seeing at most 10 percent margins, taking a lot of negatives. It’s part of it at the moment. Customers are only worried about being cheap with the inflation, and they’ll drop us on a dime for not being competitive. Sadly though, if you win the custy on rates you’ll lose em on rates when the market flips. Best case for us as truckers and brokers is to sell service and capacity. The rates come when these subpar carriers go under
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bartman441@reddit

You mean to tell me there are still loads out there that are going for $1.50 a mile? That’s 1970s wages yikes.
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Vote4SanPedro@reddit

Yeah, are you a dry van in Georgia? Then rates are shit and slowly growing out of it. As someone without a customer and an ex driver. It’s nice to see us go negative for a bit, once the market flips we’re all going to be meshing well. Just a matter of time
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bartman441@reddit

That would be so great if it wasn’t for the amount of immigrant drivers from a certain area. You know damn well that if most carriers and owner operators shut down that they would come in and still do it for half the price and cause nothing but carnage and destruction. They would just go to their local Volvo or cheap freightliner dealer and buy a bunch of garbage trucks and flood the market and no one would care about us. They would get their freight hauled and if it didn’t make it, oh well, they would just make more. Unfortunately, the trucking industry is garbage compared to what it used to be. And a lot of it is to be blamed on these mega carriers, and lately the immigration rules of both countries.
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Montreal4life@reddit

just need a few of the big already unionized places to coordinate with another industry/sector and get the demands met. example, ups teamsters and port workers go on strike, could be a big deal and could make such demands.
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ValuableShoulder5059@reddit

Do it and that bill get an emergency pass.
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Mommymadeover@reddit

It won’t matter because you have a lot of people that aren’t even speaking English ready to jump right into a truck no questions asked. Every man for themselves
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lastingfame@reddit

The only thing that requires a permit is a test at the dmv one of which can be taken online as many times as you want. This gotta be a bit because no company would do this.
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Western-Willow-9496@reddit

The article says this applies to drivers who have passed the skills test, but simple haven’t received the physical license. Not simply permit holders.
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lastingfame@reddit

So I've been had!! A ruse all along.
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phazekiller@reddit

So they're gonna remove requirements for CDL and school? Sounds like they're planning something...
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YourMumSuxCoxInHell@reddit

Haven't you heard, the children yearn for the ~~mines~~ open road?
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Sensitive_Ladder2235@reddit

Dude I'm fuckin waiting to get my C1 license. I make 22/hr plus tips hauling a 32' food truck right now in a 3/4t pickup. The rates atm wouldn't even pay me minimum wage for a new driver. At this point ima just save money, get my C3 with a hazmat cert and hotshot in a dually.
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TheLizardKing89@reddit

The solution to every labor shortage is the same; better pay and working conditions.
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DenseCod8975@reddit

Weren’t drivers making money hand over fist just a few years ago?? Can’t always be sunshine and rainbows lol. Good years and bad years are normal.
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DireWraith3000@reddit

The way some people drive I thought permit holders were already going solo.
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49medic@reddit

This. I lasted two months before I turned my truck in. I was laid off from a software job and saw an opportunity to check off a bucket list item. I’m just glad that I had an industry to go back to because the trucking industry is a predatory race to the bottom. I’m just not sure how to convince people to pay a few extra cents for their crap so that the people delivering it can feed their families.
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Remotely-Indentured@reddit

and get them home in the evening. Tag team those loads, if it costs more then it costs more. Its called L-O-G-S-T-I-C-S!
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ReadyToGoForIt@reddit

And when those new drivers kill people, people will have their head in the sand about the consequences of capitalism. Profits over people.
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redditor012499@reddit

Yup. I quit trucking just after a few months after I saw how little I was being paid. I can make more money being home every night. Why would anyone sane be a otr trucker in this economy, I do not knows
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Kaevek@reddit

How are we going to raise your pay when we've got a thousand new drivers every day that will take it for hundreds less? You understand this is all a business right? It's not just the drivers that have to make money.
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Spirited-Tax7448@reddit

Fuckin scabs
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Emergency_Hurry8852@reddit

I agree to an extent, in that most companies are money-grubbing greedy fucks and actively search for ways to short-change drivers in order to drive up profits. But it doesn't make sense from a company standpoint to hire permit holders without supervision. Think of the liability and potential risks. There are drivers with full on Class A's that still drive like ass and flip or roll anytime the wind picks up or someone drops their ice cream cone on the interstate. They would be getting a whole lot more of that if they allow permit drivers without supervision, and I would think that costs them more than a patient driver who knows what conditions to stop in, despite the possibility of being late.
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Head_Chocolate1632@reddit

Lower truckers so the spics can drive?.. great for fatal accidents... who thought this up?. DEI?. Will wonders never cease?
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Efficient_Ostrich_54@reddit

Oh that won't fail at all.
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MyGirlSasha@reddit

I'm in the middle of CDL training right now and this idea scares the shit out of me.
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seeder33@reddit

Typical safety is only important when it’s relatively convenient. More workers > people lives. 🤦
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MoreAddictingThenSug@reddit

No
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BigSchmitty@reddit

The articles says the FMCSA will only allow this after the driver has passed their skills test. So perhaps, license ordered and not in hand yet? I wonder how many companies currently throw new drivers to the wolves. Oh, you have a license and no experience? Well here’s your keys, you’ll figure it out, good luck!
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Western-Willow-9496@reddit

I think you and I are the only ones who read the article.
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BigSchmitty@reddit

Typical click bait title. Gets people all riled up, especially when they only read the title and not the article. A lot like most popular news outlets now days.
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Winter-Laugh-2533@reddit

The mega carriers have been doing this for decades. The person already took the CDL exam and passed away from their home state. They then need to go to their home state to get the CDL hard copy. During that time, they are permitted to team drive in a training situation with a paper that has their test scores. Basically, they have a CDL, just not the plastic copy. However, if they do not get the CDL from home within 30 days, the exam is void and is redone. Most states now transfer the test scores.
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OrganizationNo6167@reddit

Not many where I’m from, insurance costs a boat load for drivers with 0 experience, no one will take that liability on in this market
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BigSchmitty@reddit

Valid point. I doubt many companies will let a driver with only a permit drive. When I started, I at least had a legal paper copy of my ordered license. I was also put with an instructor though.
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Chippie0100@reddit

I got my CDL at a local JUCO in 2011. Less than a week after driving tests w/X & T, I was driving 9000 gals of diesel from the rack in Odessa, TX to frac sites in the Permian Basin. When I applied at the main office in Ft Worth the office girl gave me three requirements. A license with the endorsements? Can you pee in a cup? Do you have a pulse? There was a 10 minute drive test, but even then, as I was leaving for the test, the office girl looked at me and said, ‘Be sure to stop for the RR tracks up the street’. Worked out for me. 13 years, a few different jobs and now earning $10-12k/mo. Lease roads were a great teacher.
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bfoster3183@reddit

Are you an owner operator or company driver?
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Chippie0100@reddit

Company driver for a smaller fleet of about 25 truckecc
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bfoster3183@reddit

Thats great. Congrats
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ODBEIGHTY1@reddit

How many hours do you average per week for that income? This is as a company driver? Or OO?
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Chippie0100@reddit

OTR for a small company that contracts several lanes through a specialty division of FedEx. Resets are almost always done at the hub house so I rarely run recaps. We run teams and I run the night shift. 50-55 hours is my guess without actually pulling out the math. 1099, company vehicles available at the hub, a nice house with plenty of space and amenities, constantly bringing in new equipment. My truck, a ‘22 579, has about 530k miles and is about to be replaced with a new one. Really happy to be here and will retire at 70 in about 8 years. That’s the plan.
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ODBEIGHTY1@reddit

Very nice.
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Chippie0100@reddit

Honestly, it really is. Company flies us home and back for time off. I usually work approx 10 weeks and off 2, but they only request a minimum of 5 weeks on in order to afford the paid travel. We bump the best docks in the industry, who are always glad to see us and rarely have us waiting, never any extended waits. Plenty of time built into runs for showering at least every other day, a weekly stop at any Blue Beacon is paid for, never left stranded with extended repairs. And I just got my 1099 for last year, $127,810. So yeah, good jobs are out here.
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Solid-Increase5299@reddit

I got my CDL by renting a tractor/trailer and tested in it. I was fortunate enough not to go to any type of formal schooling or training. I learned just by being on a frac crew going job site to job site....I am hauling 1267 crude oil now. Driving on lease roads will make a steering wheel holder to a real truck driver in a heartbeat.
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Chippie0100@reddit

Yeah, but learning out in the oil patch was also very forgiving because there weren’t many eyes around to see a new guy’s stupidity. We didn’t know what a truck could or couldn’t do and trust me, I drove those fuel trucks through some places that today, I wouldn’t ride a mule through. I do have to remember that when watching new guys out here in the world. I was never nervous because I didn’t know I was supposed to be. No one around to see me f’ing up. Yeah, probably very lucky to not have lost a truck or two. But I wouldn’t change a thing.
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Tricky_Membership@reddit

Thats what I got. CDL in hand here is a truck and a tanker, go here pickup load make sure its legal and deliver here. I got the load and to its destination I wasn’t legal but I learned how to be legal very quick after the scale house ticket. 🤣
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korben1134@reddit

You are correct. It says it in the article.
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dontmatterjustcuz@reddit

That doesn’t make sense because when you pass everything and go to DPS they will print your paper CDL for you that you can use until your CDL comes in the mail. I did this literally the day after I passed my driving test and got my paper CDL.
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SycoJack@reddit

Same. This doesn't make any sense unless they're changing the requirements for a full CDL to require solo driving.
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HandlesofLiquor@reddit

>I wonder how many companies currently throw new drivers to the wolves. Isn't CR England's method to just cram 3 new CDL holders in a truck and tell them to figure it out for 6 months?
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functional_moron@reddit

When I was there 3 man trucks were one trainer and two new guys. They say trainers have at least 6 months experience but I was train8ngnew driver in January of 2019. Got my cdl in October of 2018.
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Chippie0100@reddit

Not arguing, but where did you hear this and can anyone reading this confirm? Three of ANY drivers, licensed and trained or not, in a cab? Really? And who gets these people to accept that? Again, asking for verification, not arguing with the OP.
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HandlesofLiquor@reddit

I was slightly off, it's not 3 trainees, its 2 trainees and a trainer. But a lot of Megas only require 6 months to be a trainer so it very well could be the blind leading the blind. Found this [You tube video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4fkJqzoEhc) that shows the inside.
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Chippie0100@reddit

Oh. Hell. No. Zero storage. Hot bunking. I don’t hot bunk with anyone I’m not f’ing. Three farts instead of two. Thanks for the video and the warning. CRE was never on my list, I just won’t do mega carriers. But I see it is a real thing. Ugh.
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Ghosto8o@reddit

I know they were putting 3 men to a truck, 2 on the truck at a time 1 on home time. They rotated, don't know if they still do that. That was 15 or so years ago
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Chippie0100@reddit

Even that doesn’t work for me. I need one steady, worthwhile team driver to get used to and ensure he’s not a slacker nor an idiot. Plus, my truck needs a weekly wash, lube jobs and oil/filter changes done on time and I need a good hot shower at least every other day. It’s hard enough finding one person I could drive with, let alone two different ones rotating in and out. Not happening.
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loveemykids@reddit

Er, I had a cdl at that point didnt I? I just didnt get the plastic card yet?
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Short-Sheepherder920@reddit

From the nonsense I see on the road and in fuel stops it appears that this program has been running for a while already
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International-Bat944@reddit

This population control bullshit is getting out of hand.
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daemonescanem@reddit

Sites that don't put the stories authors lose credibility. That site looks shady.
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Mexican_with_rocks@reddit

Feel like all these issues or shitty solutions wouldn't be needed if we were to pay truckers a whole lot better.
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Fluffy-Doubt-3547@reddit

Good way to cause mass casualties...
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Dylanator13@reddit

Why not have an instructor zoom call? At least it will be slightly better than no one in the can with them.
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Expensive_Hunt9870@reddit

🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️
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tvieno@reddit

Now your dispatcher can teach you how to drive.
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Tbagjimmy@reddit

It's a way for the industry to use cheaper labor, next it will be illegal immigrants who get their cdls
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prarieviking@reddit

This is the same guys who wrote me up for hauling 3 Humvee's during the Iraq war because I didn't have the fuel tanks vacuumed out so it was hazmat in their book.
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Apprehensive_Fault_5@reddit

This is hard to believe, considering it was just last year they were passing laws to require new CDL holders to go through months of training, and the instructors/trainers to have years of experience (which really screwed with big starter companies like Swift and Werner).
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Tripalicious@reddit

OP has to be trolling
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Sensitive_Ladder2235@reddit

I too am an enjoyer of accordion trailers. Very good to haul plus extra dock hit absorption. Convertible trailers are also very good since there is weight reduction and henceforth scales are less of a bitch.
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Ok_Commission9026@reddit (OP)

Always got to be looking for the positives. Good of ya
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Kaidenshiba@reddit

The dispatcher says they can train. Lol
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blobley@reddit

SEND IT
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shawner136@reddit

Awh COME ON MAN
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Used_Calligrapher162@reddit

Just got my class a before the holidays. Need out of my 20 year car business career. It’s really not about the money, it’s about change and a better opportunity.
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Cultural-Sail-667@reddit

Right up there with “So, you bought a pistol. Now you can concealed carry. No proficiency. No knowledge.” Can do damage with either with no guidance. Most times it’s probably gonna be ok. Some times it’s gonna be a real CF.
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xDoomKitty@reddit

Defund the FMCSA
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Redneckwithwifi@reddit

How about we just abolish the damn thing
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OGHughJass@reddit

Because the lawless land of trucking would be a good thing. Don’t be foolish, driver. There need to be regulations.
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Redneckwithwifi@reddit

Not sure if that’s sarcasm?
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OGHughJass@reddit

It’s not. We need the FMCSA to an extent. Getting rid of it entirely would be hell on the roads.
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Redneckwithwifi@reddit

I respectfully disagree. Driving truck is still covered under osha, so I don’t see why we need an entire bureau policing us. All the regs mandated by the fmcsa I can think of are designed to maximize carrier profit and also completely take their responsibility out of the equation. In construction if your boss forces you to work without fall protection and you get killed, he goes to jail. In trucking if you’re forced to drive in inclement weather and you get killed, the carrier gets off Scott free. Same with if your ELD pokes you to drive at an hour you really should be sleeping at, you fall asleep at the wheel and get killed they aren’t likely to even get a fine. The worst thing to happen is probably going to be a phone call to the receiver. We need OSHA for our protection. Not the FMCSA to protect the insurance companies and the shareholders.
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WIbigdog@reddit

The FMSCA existing is not the reason for your inclement weather example. Do you think the FMSCA existing stops OSHA from having regulations? We actually are still protected from the same fall conditions as other workers. It's why no companies ask you to climb up to the roof to brush snow off. > Same with if your ELD pokes you to drive at an hour you really should be sleeping at You have protections to say you're not okay to drive. I've also never had an ELD make any noise. You guys working at companies that have audible alarms on ELDs? The only reason electronic logs exist is because of all of you fuckers running double logs. The way you talk you were exactly the person that did it. You can't be trusted to follow the already existing regulations, so you get more. The FMSCA isn't going anywhere, tough shit buddy.
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Redneckwithwifi@reddit

No, I don’t run double logs. Prior to going back to school I was running driving truck for municipal highway. Slip seat work. OSHA can still govern motor carriers, they don’t because the presumption is that that stuff is covered by DOT and FMCSA. Respectfully, if the FMCSA doesn’t apply to driver safety, what is its purpose exactly? Why is it that we have to stop every 20 miles for a weigh station when cars on bald tires, with broken headlights and bent frames go speeding by at 15 over? The laws are not written in an equitable manner, and they sure as hell aren’t meant to protect us.
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WIbigdog@reddit

> Why is it that we have to stop every 20 miles for a weigh station when cars on bald tires, with broken headlights and bent frames go speeding by at 15 over? I can drive from Milwaukee, WI to Roseau, Minnesota and cross exactly one weigh station. Maybe you should live in a state that doesn't hate truckers 😂
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Redneckwithwifi@reddit

Gotta love the fuckin yuppies. In all seriousness though if 4 wheelers had to deal with roadside inspections I guarantee they’d be pissed off or getting mile long tickets, maybe both lol.
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redditor012499@reddit

I’m all for it but don’t you think companies will start demanding 16 hour work days??
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joeybevosentmeovah@reddit

Just because most government schooled people can’t convince how anything could possibly work without a ridiculously bloated bureaucracy telling it what to do, doesn’t mean you’re wrong.
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DumbNTough@reddit

It's just a big car. How hard could it be?
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Marmatus@reddit

The headline is misleading. It’s talking about CLP holders who have already passed the skills test, which is confusing to me, because this is already allowed. When I passed my CDL test, the examiner explicitly told me that until my CDL came in the mail, my CLP (which was just a piece of paper showing that I passed all the tests) would suffice to allow me to legally drive on my own.
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Ok_Commission9026@reddit (OP)

The language and other points that commenters have said, make me question this too. I understood it as, once you pass your basic tests, you can be hired with no training & hit the roads without anyone going out with you on your fists few weeks\months.
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blackbeardaegis@reddit

So they just want more dead people?
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JuanVeeJuan@reddit

Are those the sounds of scissors I hear? Cutting corners for profit?
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Competitive-cat90@reddit

Have you been on an interstate lately these guys are killing people every where. We’ve had 4 cmv with hot brakes catch fire in last two months on I-70. Nobody knows how to drive in the mountains
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anonymousX144@reddit

SWIFT hiding in the shadows rubbing their hands together and grinning evilly.
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RichestSugarDaddy@reddit

Be real: your instructor was sleeping anyway 😂😂
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1990Billsfan@reddit

True lol :)
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HDJim_61@reddit

Sounds like Swift drivers
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dinosaur-in_leather@reddit

Just point out there's going to be less people paying taxes you will win
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Lilgorbe@reddit

“give em a chance” 😂😂
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CronoXpono@reddit

I just started my first ever CDL job and BRO THIS WOULD HAVE MADE ME QUIT 🤣 There’s no fucking way I would’ve been fine with being thrown to the wolves alone! Hell, today, IN A STRAIGHT TRUCK FOR FUCKS SAKE, I had to remember not to clip a concrete pole near the gas pumps (truck has a mini motor for spraying herbicides, I didn’t put gas in a diesel truck lol) Such short sighted thinking is gonna literally kill the industry.
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Mommymadeover@reddit

As long as there is an open border they will keep lowering the standards. Right now you have a majority of people that don’t even speak or write English that are driving these trucks and they get paid about $12k a year. There is no competition because they will take anything (almost) anywhere for Pennie’s. It’s only going to get worse.
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evilmonkey87@reddit

No guidance but speed limiters in all trucks. Gotta love the federal government
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Spot_Powerful@reddit

As someone who works in the safety department for a mega carrier, this is kinda scary, but honestly some of our “experienced drivers” are more scary. This isn’t surprising at all.
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TheRealMondo@reddit

You did your ELDT and passed your skills test the only thing holding you from the open road at that point is getting your license in the mail. Just like what we do with regular dls. You pass the test, and you get a paper saying you passed and no longer require supervision.
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Hoss408@reddit

Then what would be the point of a "learner's permit"? Doesn't that, by default, require a teacher?
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alan_w3@reddit

Seriously? They make minimum training requirements (eldt) but then throw it back out the window with this? Gotta be fake. Otherwise get rid of eldt. Thats the reason i dint have my cdl yet. Can't afford 5k (or more, cause that's cheap) to go to a school.
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FreshImagination9735@reddit

Many logistics companies have their own schools and will even pay you hourly while you are learning. Sign a 3 or 4 year contract and if you stay for the whole term your schooling is free. Maybe call around in your area and see if there is one doing this?
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alan_w3@reddit

I know of these deals, I'm not really interested in them. I'm good friends with a small flatbed company and another O/O who are both successful, and had they not federalized training requirements, I would have trained with one of them and gotten my cdl. There's one place that does just eldt in west virginia, I'd like to go there because it's only $2k. Just need to get the money together
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Mountainear99@reddit

I know in Virginia there are grants you can apply for to greatly reduce the cost, and there’s a lot of companies that’ll even cover the cost for you, as long as you work for them for a period of time
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alan_w3@reddit

I half applied for the fafsa but need tax return information. Wish me luck with that tho cause my tax guy sucks
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yoloyeet420@reddit

Call your local community college and talk to their workforce development program. Got my school paid for a couple years ago through the WIOA grant, no obligation if you’re under the minimum income requirement.
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alan_w3@reddit

I also looked into wioa. Emailed whoever it was about it and all they could tell me was go to JFS and find out. I know there's grants out there and I'll get one at some point. Still think it's bullshit in the first place.
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WillingnessOk3253@reddit

Umm, this is already in effect. Once they pass the skills test a permit holder is typically allowed 30 days to upgrade their license. They’re a licensed CDL holder at this point. Mega’s usually send trainee with a post testing trainer at that point and use it as a team gig till trainee gets their license upgraded.
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Pa2phx@reddit

Good idea. Let me just kiss my teenage drivers goodbye one last time before I send them out on the I95.
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series-hybrid@reddit

How much will the liability insurance be on a CDL trainee driving by themselves?
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smiley82m@reddit

Tell me you want to make a scenario where the public demands our jobs be taken by AI self-driving trucks without telling me that.
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Shaker1969@reddit

Sounds like a great idea!!! I mean after all, they are the government and they are here to help us. What could go wrong?
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FlaAirborne@reddit

Why stop there? Many states are lowering age restrictions on child labor. Let’s get those 16 year olds behind the wheel.
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TropicalBlueMR2@reddit

Dick Jones : I remember when I was a young executive for this company. I used to call the old man funny names - Iron Butt, Boner... once I even called him... Asshole - but there was always respect. I always knew where the line was drawn, and you just stepped over it, buddy-boy. You've insulted me and you've insulted this company with that bastard creation of yours. I had a guaranteed military sale with ED 209 - renovation program, spare parts for twenty-five years... Who cares if it worked or not? - Our country is being ran by these guys
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cwhite225@reddit

There is a shortage of experienced drivers. The fuel companies here in Louisiana and probably nation wide are hiring straight out of driving school. I had to train one guy who only had experience delivering BBQ pits to local homes. And he was gonna haul def 5,300 gals on a smooth bore tank. Needless to say he did not last.
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FreshImagination9735@reddit

As a former trainer/finisher this is a horrible idea. Trained or finished triple digits worth of noobies in my time and at least 25% of them were completely clueless and a hazard even with me watching them like a hawk. More than a few of them I exiled to the shotgun seat and refused any more runs with them. And they want to send them out there on their own? God help us one and all.
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SnooChipmunks6620@reddit

No. Nope. Nada.
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Oluwale0973@reddit

Well……that’s stupid….. SMH
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More-Discipline-6230@reddit

Meanwhile, new CDL A drivers can't find a job because we need "verifiable tractor trailer experience" . BS .
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Dysanj@reddit

Driver shortage
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Whodisbehere@reddit

Here is the summary of the proposed changes: FMCSA proposes to increase flexibility for State Driver Licensing Agencies (SDLAs) and commercial driver’s license (CDL) applicants by expanding applicants’ ability to take a CDL skills test in a State other than their State of domicile; permitting a commercial learner’s permit (CLP) holder who has passed the CDL skills test to operate a commercial motor vehicle (CMV) on public roads without having a qualified CDL holder in the passenger seat; eliminating the requirement that an applicant wait at least 14 days to take the CDL skills test following initial issuance of the CLP. The NPRM also proposes to remove the requirement that CMV drivers must have a passenger (P) endorsement to transport CMVs designed to carry passengers, including school buses, when the vehicle is being transported in a driveaway-towaway operation and the vehicle is not carrying any passengers. Additionally, FMCSA proposes to require that third-party knowledge examiners be subject to the training, certification, and record check standards currently applicable to State knowledge examiners and third-party knowledge testers be subject to the auditing and monitoring requirements now applicable to third-party skills testers. The NPRM responds to petitions for rulemaking from the American Trucking Associations (ATA) and the New Hampshire Department of Transportation (NHDOT), as discussed below. FMCSA believes these proposals would improve the efficiency and convenience of CDL issuance and improve highway safety by further ensuring the integrity of third-party CDL knowledge testing. These are just proposed changes by the FMCSA, including allowing CDL skills tests in a state other than the applicant's domicile, letting CLP holders operate a CMV on public roads after passing the skills test without a qualified CDL holder present, and eliminating the 14-day waiting period for the skills test after CLP issuance. It does not explicitly state whether CDL learners permit holders can drive big rigs without the full license, but it outlines measures aimed at increasing flexibility and efficiency in CDL issuance. (For those who need it broken down without all the jumbo jumbo: They want to make it easier for learners to take the driving test in a different state, let them drive on real roads after passing the test, and remove the waiting time before taking the test. It doesn't exactly say if learners can drive big trucks without the full license, but it's about making getting the license easier.) TLDR; this is sensationalist bullshit.
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ntice59@reddit

Right, the way they worded it was clickbaitish, and then everyone just read the link and didn’t actually read it and is freaking out in the comments 🤣
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gooderester@reddit

Insurance rates may make this a loss
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Tight_muffin@reddit

And yet I couldn't find a job last year as a new CDL driver because I didn't have 2 years lol
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kkirv@reddit

Is this something I contact my congressman about, or is there a mid-level manager I can harass instead?
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ChakraVibz@reddit

No no no! Please no!
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AnthonyB2023@reddit

Get ready for more accidents then ever if they pass this.
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theKleShay@reddit

Permit holder here. Please don't allow me or anyone like me to do that.
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ArdenJaguar@reddit

I remember as a Trainer with Werner in the 90s. I has students who couldn't read a map. Had never sent an atlas. Had never left their hometown. I saw some crazy stuff (which is why I quit training). All I can say is, "What could go wrong?"... The answer is A LOT.
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thatdudefromthattime@reddit

I honestly don’t give a shit. The quality of basic drivers has gone so far down, I don’t trust half the trucks drivers out there anyway
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BenSadfleck@reddit

That makes it a license, not a permit,
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morningafterpizza@reddit

If they are going to let non CDL holders drive CMV's just let me smoke some fucking weed already.
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Heavy_Haul_Life@reddit

SWIFT is about to get a whole lot better!
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Songgeek@reddit

Can’t wait to see the YouTube videos of CLP drivers doing leases and taking loads paying 65 cpm
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wideout3485@reddit

I got my CDL in October and haven't been able to find a job bc I don't have AT LEAST a year of experience and can't do otr bc of children at home. MI btw
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BigSchmitty@reddit

Does your school have job placement assistance? If not, call a mega like swift or Schneider. They both always need drivers. I got lucky and found local food service right out of school, which pays trainees hourly for ~6 months.
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DeerHunter041674@reddit

No, there won’t be any fatalities from this.. /s
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bloopie1192@reddit

Nah. Now theyre putting even more ppls safety on the line. Theres already a ton of shit truck drivers out there because they figured they could do it. We dont need this. Where can I vote against this?
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ciceropark@reddit

Did Boeing come up with this?
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spitonitmommy@reddit

But god forbid you smoke a joint on the weekends
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mjkjr84@reddit

As a permit holder who is getting ready to take the road test I think this is a terrible idea, I've learned so much from driving with experienced drivers
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Sure_Sir6064@reddit

And yet nobody will hire me because of an accident i caused in september 😪
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Cl9Clapo@reddit

N I still couldn’t get my ass ina semi 😭😂
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GearNerd85@reddit

I mean they can't be worse the swift drivers
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ramanw150@reddit

They want to replace us with self driving trucks
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ramanw150@reddit

Bite me
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Economy_Cat_3527@reddit

Learn it as you burn it. Bad idea.
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BitPuzzleheaded5311@reddit

No! Just no!
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Ryujin_Kaiyo@reddit

How does the governing bodies over our industry manage to get literally EVERYTHING wrong?
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Kaevek@reddit

Sounds like half of the drivers out there currently. 90% of the drivers I talk to don't understand basics of logistics. We don't work for you. You work for us. Don't wanna work for us? Don't be a truck driver. Read your ratecon. Don't lie about your hours/rest time. Pickup and deliver on time and boom... You're a good truck driver. The other 90% of you are brain dead fuck ups that couldn't handle a normal 9-5 like the rest of the world. Quit your bitching, drive the truck and stfu.
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RevolutionBorn6045@reddit

I legitimately watched a trucker run over a stop sign today… must be one of their test subjects
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IRMacGuyver@reddit

This is really just part of the move toward automated trucks. People don't trust full automation so they want a warm body to be there but not pay for someone with a CDL.
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indrek91@reddit

Eating popcorn. There will be lot more crash videos coming.
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Mammoth_Low_6266@reddit

This makes literally no sense haha so throw an inexperienced driver out who knows nothing ?? Not even how to operate the damn truck…. Just drive yea ok !! Better know how to back that mothafucker up tell them to teach that on the permit test lol oh wait FMCSA workers don’t even have a CDL…..
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randybobandy84@reddit

Not sure what other states it applies to but in Montana we can drive a semi with zero knowledge or experience under the farm exemption. As long as it’s our own product and a certain radius from home
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indignantfetus@reddit

Have you been driving recently how would it possibly matter.
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SufficientWhile5450@reddit

Watched a double trailers second fifth wheel release at 60mph and the rear trailer roll into a ditch, and that was an experienced driver So great idea
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Overhang0376@reddit

It's going to be interesting when we start to see "part time trucking", with 8-12 year old boys hauling at 3AM, instead of delivering newspapers by bike.
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Defiant_Network_3069@reddit

😆😆😆😆
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Classic_Log5111@reddit

This is how you get the masses to believe driverless trucks are safer by allowing dangerous drivers to fill low paying routes.
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rad636@reddit

What's the issue? "Experienced" drivers are worse the the newbies
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Imaginary-Badger-119@reddit

Bet .
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FinalBoard2571@reddit

Oligarchs never learn till the mobs grab them. This has to be satire with how insane it sounds.
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Nozerone@reddit

I can see it now. "My learners permit expired, and my company couldn't get me back to my home state in time. I'm now stuck 2 thousand miles from home, can anyone help!?".
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Unoriginal_Opinion@reddit

This is working swell on the railroad, minus that town in Canada that got blown up. Oh and East Palestine, I understand the water being contaminated and all that, but did anyone check on the share holders?
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Mindless_Sir_9612@reddit

3 more years till retirement. Grabs popcorn
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Antique-Syllabub-597@reddit

Not a good idea at all. New drives for sure need to be with someone too show them the ropes and too be safer for not only themselves but the others around them. Just asking for people to get killed
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wanker_wanking@reddit

As a permit holder I see this as an absolute win
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Trucker225@reddit

What in the f ???
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silverchevy2011@reddit

Can’t be any worse than the foreigners driving now.
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SargeOsis@reddit

I can't get insurance for a driver with less than 2 years experience regardless of how good their record may appear to be. This has to be for the megas and it'll murder my insurance rates when they throw all the bodies on the road that aren't prepared for a 80 foot long 80,000 lb missile.
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Supertrucker82@reddit

Still no medical Marijuana but let's have permit holders haul freight. What the actual fuck. In PA, it's a written test that's easy AF. Anyone can pass it.
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Chicken_Pete_Pie@reddit

Have they seen people with an actual license operate just a simple motor vehicle?! And they want let these same fucks drive a tractor and trailer??!!!
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dontmatterjustcuz@reddit

So first they say they want to limit speeds, limit hours, limit certain trucks that BENEFIT truckers by saying those things make truckers dangerous, then they do some bullshit like this that actually IS DANGEROUS. I’m not sure what FMCSA board is made of, but just like TREC for Texas Real Estate laws, where 6 of the 9 governing members MUST be licensed Real Estate Brokers who have engaged in Real Estate brokering as their major occupation for at LEAST 5 years before being accepted for the position and they are NOT paid by the Commission and are not regulated by the Commission. We need this for truckers, only experienced and professional truckers should be able to have a say in anything. Not some politician that singlehandedly wants to destroy the entire country’s supply chain, jeopardize millions of jobs and the economy with their foolish arbitrary rulings. If the FMCSA passed this foolish law allowing permit holders to operate commercial vehicles without supervision of a CDL instructor there will be a LOT of accidents and they will turn around and blame truckers for it.
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Lumpy_Stand27@reddit

Why we fighting one another about "these kids" vs them people ruining the whole thing?
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McsDriven@reddit

Hahahaha hilarious this will be good.
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Useful_Badger6021@reddit

They want to slow us down to 68 , put driver facing camera on us then want to this bullshit I’ll always say it it’s never ever about safety it’s about screwing the drivers on their pay
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Present-Ambition6309@reddit

Nice try! I’m not clicking that. I know it’s best to keep the ball down low on me, so I won’t go yard! 😂 jk Anyone else going for it? Let’s get Mikey! Hey Mikey! There’s my fiber. lol
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jcoddinc@reddit

#It's so they can lower the pay rates. If they have less experience, you pay them less. That's their logic. Just like how every doctor had nurses working for them, they created medical assistants. Lower paying position for nearly all the same tasks, but with fewer credentials
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whataberger@reddit

They'll do this, but want to put a speed limiter on trucks and people that already hold a valid CDL. Make it make sense.
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Billhorse@reddit

Our pay is never going to go up lol my gosh these greedy fucks.
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stephenforbes@reddit

I have an idea Why don't we pay truckers more instead of making the roads less safe.
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Jazzlike-Election840@reddit

wow. all the ball breaking and nonsense we go through, and allow people with just a permit to fly solo? isn't there already problems with people who have the licenses being cut loose on their own already? and i have nothing against new drivers whatsoever, im just saying this is probably only going to cause more problems
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Just_speak_the_truth@reddit

WTF? They really do want to make life on our highways into a real life demolition derby!
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BCSales91@reddit

As a permit holder, I know for a fact that me and the rest of the people I studied with aren’t ready for that at all.
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skhell@reddit

But they want to govern us all to 68mph?
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Xhamatos@reddit

What could possibly go wrong.....
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halfcow@reddit

....well, then it's not a "learner's" permit. It's an "I'm already driving by myself" permit. Also known as a "Driver's *License*."
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hugothebear@reddit

My guess is to let the Tesla drivers through
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