Any success stories about finding friends and love in reserved European countries?
Posted by EffectiveEggplant787@reddit | expats | View on Reddit | 43 comments
We all know many non-Mediterranean countries in Europe have this stereotype of the locals there being cold, emotionally unavailable, reserved to outright rudeness. Germany, Netherlands and Sweden are some of the most commonly cited ones by expats. Then Austria, Denmark, France, the Czech Republic. Sometimes even Madrid and Northern Italy + Rome come up. I've heard fellow Balkan people mention anything that's not Mediterranean or Balkan as being harsh for making friends. I hear the phrase "Oh, they're cold there" way too often. 😂
But are there stories of people who found that they actually attract friendly people in such a country? I want to hear some success stories of people that discovered that you can be very emotionally happy and fulfilled in a supposedly cold culture. Even better if you can contrast with a stereotypically warm European country. As in my experience Slovaks are more introverted and reserved than Bulgarians in Sofia Bulgaria but also friendlier and it's easier to befriend them. But what about the most commonly cited ones like Germany, the Scandinavian ones, Austria, Netherlands, Belgium, etc.?
BTW let's be honest - without knowing the local language even in Southern Europe you'll most likely have mostly expat friends and not local ones. Most Europeans from countries where EN isn't official don't really like speaking English all the time and if they assume you're not going to stay long most don't bother. Yes, even in the South. Hence why it's easier to befriend Europeans when they themselves are tourists or expats. But now please share some happy "I feel like home" stories about the places people often bitch about. Thanks!
downfall67@reddit
I moved to the Netherlands from Australia like 5 years ago. I now have a large group of amazing friends, and a boyfriend of 3 years. It was easier than back home to meet people!
Puzzled-Kiwi-3375@reddit
Where abouts in the Netherlands did you move to/now live? :)
downfall67@reddit
Up in the north, Groningen:)
Prahasaurus@reddit
I spent half my life in the Czech Republic. Czechs are definitely cold by your definition. The key was learning the language and making real friends. Their "coldness" was more for strangers. Czechs would say they are not cold, that others are superficial. That they prefer deep friendships, and don't really open up until there is a stronger bond, which takes time.
EffectiveEggplant787@reddit (OP)
Well Slovaks are similar and I still was approached far more by locals in Bratislava than in Prague. I actually don't remember anyone approaching me in Prague at all.
Prahasaurus@reddit
People get friendlier as you go east, up to a certain point.
Source: lived for half my life in the Czech Rep, both around Prague and in Moravia (where people are a bit friendlier). I also have a company in Slovakia, travel there often.
ChemNerd23@reddit
I met my bf in Austria when I moved here and my two best mates here are also Austrian. Buuuut, my bf is great in English and my mates are too so I think I got lucky.
EffectiveEggplant787@reddit (OP)
Wow, sounds like fun. Btw I had my own "Before Sunrise" story with an Austrian girl in Vienna subway. Are your bf and his friends from Vienna or another city btw? I found people in Vienna generally know English better but it really looked like they're too used to tourists and expats to care much about welcoming them. met my ex gf on the subway out in the suburbs where tourists almost never go and I think at one point we were the only two oassengerd left in the carriage bug I imagine that had I met her in a busy bar or disco she would've went for a fellow Austrian.
ChemNerd23@reddit
We're all in Tyrol, not Vienna. It helps that I'm in academia and I'd say that everyone I'm hanging out with is either a postdoc/PhD student/foreigner as the command of English is typically better with a higher level of education (PhD onwards is in English in Austria for ex). My bf is weird lol since he's not an academic, but he's lived in the UK, isn't typically Austrian and likes having an English gf.
EffectiveEggplant787@reddit (OP)
Awesome. I want to do a PhD in Austria, too. I really miss my Austrian ex gf.
Own_Egg7122@reddit
Regarding love specifically - I found love in Estonia - multiple times actually. My first love was here. Never fell in love back in my country OR in the UK or anywhere I travelled. It wasn't exactly fairytale and a lot of shocks, naivety on my part (that's what social conditioning does to you) and false expectations. But, I learned my lesson and found someone who actually wants me.
As for friends, yeah, I had more local friends than expats. But I kind of pushed everyone away because I WANTED to be alone. I'm still in touch with them but I have so little social energy that I try to reserve it for work and my partner.
It does happen. We just don't talk about it on Reddit.
EffectiveEggplant787@reddit (OP)
Oh I can so relate. I've never been truly in love with a girl from my home country. Ironically when I lived in Slovakia I was more attractive to my fellow countrywomen, too. I guess some places are just like luckier for you, you know. In my home country I'm a pariah despite foreign Western education. In Slovakia I was almost a rock star. Even now when I apply for jobs there I get offers so much faster there. God bless Slovakia! I just hope I found an even better place because despite all luck there I felt moody.
arokissa@reddit
I guess it is a question how much your personality matches the general personality/ mentality of the chosen country. Me personally, I am an intovert, so moving to a more introverted country was a blessing for me. I found friends and a partner here. I would have tough times in a more extroverted country, like Italy or even Bulgary.
EffectiveEggplant787@reddit (OP)
Wouldn't it work the other way around? An introvert would be more engaged by locals in an extrovert culture.
unlucky-strike13@reddit
I’m an Indian based in France, and honestly, I think it’s just your general values about life and friendship that play a role here. The cultural dichotomy is very real but it’s really only what you make it. I have friends here and a partner who I love very much, his family is lovely. I think it’s the people that make it feel like home, the croissants are just an added bonus!!
Significant_Owl7745@reddit
Most ppl meet locals or others via work, its the same in your home country.
inrecovery4911@reddit
Not accurate. At least where I am in Germany, it's not really done to socialise with colleagues unless it's an official work event. Made things that much more difficult.
EffectiveEggplant787@reddit (OP)
Not really. I've rarely made friends at work in my country or anywhere else. Most friendships abroad were with people from organized walking trips and even Fb meet ups.
bruhbelacc@reddit
My success story is that I like that culture. That's one of the reasons why I came to the Netherlands. I dislike cultures where people are too social and intrusive and normally find them rude. People tend to overshare, ask you (too) personal questions, or give you unwanted advice. The groups always have internal dynamics and drama that are mentally draining.
I have some people I hang out with to discuss mutual interests, but for example, I wouldn't invite them at home.
arokissa@reddit
I totally agree with you, I wanted to write the same here.
lostinlife11@reddit
Online 😄
Theredoux@reddit
My best friends, romantic partner and closest aquaintances are all german, along with someone from sweden. I met them through various hobbies of mine, and have not found it particularly difficult to make friends with them, but in fairness this hobby tends to lend itself to perhaps more outgoing people.
EffectiveEggplant787@reddit (OP)
Interesting. What hobby is it?
Theredoux@reddit
I play online MMOs and do RP and stuff in them, or raiding. These activities for the most part require people to be social. Met my German SO that way, and my other german friends, and the swede
rachaeltalcott@reddit
I'm in France and have both expat and French friends. The process is not really any different than anywhere else. You meet people, you talk, maybe one in ten or twenty you click with. Maybe half of those have time for another friend. It does take effort, and I can imagine that a lot of people are so stressed by the move or by whatever prompted them to move that they don't have mental energy to invest in relationships.
bonspe7@reddit
met friends and my partner in germany but they're all from southern europe
Feeling-Elk-@reddit
I'm from Madrid but live in a foreign country.
It's true about Spanish people usually just mixing with other locals from their own neighbourhood/small village etc.
When I go visit it's nearly impossible to even "enter" a group, they're like a Piña
CaptainFungiNails@reddit
Piña ? Because it is hard on the outside but sweet on the inside ?
Feeling-Elk-@reddit
Well maybe that too, but in Spanish we have the expression " Ser una piña"
En España ser una piña es una expresión que se utiliza cuando queremos expresar que un grupo de personas se llevan muy bien, son un grupo muy cerrado, con una gran solidaridad interna.
EffectiveEggplant787@reddit (OP)
Vale. I see. It's the same with Sofia people btw. I came back 5 years ago and after about 5 years abroad before that I still feel like I'm in limbo.
BonetaBelle@reddit
I find Germans really friendly and tend to click quite well with them. I have not properly lived there, though.
I am quite direct so it's a vibe.
Tactational@reddit
I’ve met dozens of Dutch people in relationships with foreigners (including myself). It’s not a problem for them and they can make great partners.
Everyday social interaction and romantic relationships are two different things. When Dutch people are open to connecting with someone (or making friends), they can be warm, fun, and insightful.
missilefire@reddit
I’m Hungarian raised in Australia and in a very loving relationship with a Dutch guy. He is the kindest man I’ve ever met and very warm and generous. His mum is Polish though so idk if that has much to do with it. In some ways he is very typically Dutch and in other ways not (eg he’s not stingy about money at all, but he’s extremely opinionated and blunt).
His family is also really nice and have welcomed me easily, including the Dutch Indo side.
I think it really helps to have a local partner to integrate. I have more of an extended family interaction with his fam than I ever did with mine, on account of being an immigrant in Australia. So it’s very different to be around cousins, uncles, aunts and grandparents.
No-Definition-7976@reddit
The polish are always so kind 😍🤍
Life_Lawfulness8825@reddit
Helpful, my daughter is doing the 2nd half of her masters program there. Polish Americans are always kind to. At least in Pittsburgh. That’s the biggest Polish population in America.
No-Definition-7976@reddit
She should face no issues at all, people are extremely kind, polite and curious. And I agree, Polish-Americans are just as lovely. There’s lots in Chicago and NYC too!
Life_Lawfulness8825@reddit
My daughter went to school in Bologna Italy and made many international friends. Sweden, Italy, Turkey, France and the Netherlands to name a few. Went on several dates with people from Italy, Germany and her favorite Netherlands. She found Italians to be helpful and kind. She’s the most American stereotype you’ll ever meet. She said she put herself out there to meet people though. She looks southern Italian though so people would talk to her in Italian she always smiled. Usually she got an eye roll and heard American. She’d laugh and people always somehow know if you’re American. I think because we’re always smiling which Europeans find weird. Anyway, her experience was to just put yourself out there.
its_a_meeya@reddit
I have a lovely boyfriend of four years who I met in Paris, a city not known for the friendliest of people. However, he comes from the southern part of France which is known to have warmer, friendlier people😎
ESQ-US-UK@reddit
I think this depends on the person. Having lived in major cities of UK/Germany/France/Italy/CZ/Spain/Finland/Austria, I find Germans & Parisians to be the friendliest and easiest to make solid friends with.
silvercrossbearer@reddit
I was feeling like at home in UK. My colleagues were friendly and with a great sense of humor. We were going out once a month and we had a great time everytime. I was not feeling that great in Norway. People were polite but I've missed dirty jokes or being more close to my coworkers.
AmerikaanseDroom@reddit
It just takes more time, perseverance and adjusting to the different cultural norms.
kunoichi1907@reddit
I'm Croatian and my partner is Danish, couldn't be happier or feel more loved. My friends are mostly expats, but Scandinavian friends I made through him are also warm and welcoming.
levenspiel_s@reddit
Depends. In Szeged, Hungary I made more local friends than I had collegues. I was young, single, it's a student town, developed naturally. The first group of friends I had were a bunch of students whom I asked for directions.
I had romantic relationships as well, and eventually I married one, too.