If Brexit had actually happened then Brexit every time ,however as we have Brexit in name only it can't be considered in this question.
As for COVID, well it was badly handled ,badly policed, and generally over stated. (Just remember that during COVID times ,flu deaths suddenly stopped)
So for me I would rather stop the ridiculous COVID restrictions that had no effect on stopping the spread .
Ok but i have a question. Would you rather stop World War II Blitz from happening or the 1979 cricket World Cup in which England lost to the West Indies? Think hard about it.
I don’t get why they need to be comparable? It’s “would you rather” question where I’m asking people to chose between two massive crises that have effected us greatly 😂
Live a little!
Lol get fucked you cunt. I couldn't see my mum for a whole year because she had cancer and had to shield, even after that we couldn't do any of the interesting stuff we would have been able to pre covid. She is now dead and I missed all that time with her.
Working from home was going to happen at some point anyway. You're an awful person if you think covid was the lesser of two evils.
Sometimes bad things need to happen to prevent even worse things happening. The scientific research that involved because of Covid is going to change light switch generations and prevent further deaths. I’m sorry about your mum it’s a tragedy and no words fix it. I lost my job, my house mate, and was by myself for the better half of year almost suicidal myself. Then schools of psychotherapy became available online. Education happened online everyone was able to connect and find a vocation that would then be able to help others. Scientists have been forwarning pandemics for years. I can assure that if covid hadn’t happen something else would. Now it has and medical research has greatly improved. We have preventatives. Life goes on. We will die and our future children will hopefully be safer. It’s the ultimate sacrifice but it was inevitable.
Brexit was just proof that democracy is far from optimal. Look how much it’s exasperating cost of living crisis.
Bro the entire world hasn't recovered from covid yet economically or socially and likely never will. Brexit is a concentrated thing in Britain that hasn't proven shit about democracy. You think one daft democratic decision means anything in the grand scheme of things? They literally happen all the time, it's the nature of democracy. I could say exactly the same argument as you have - if brexit didn't happen something else would have instead. It's a stupid argument that means nothing. The world will never, and I mean never recover from the fallout of covid. Britain probably could have recovered from brexit, even if it was stupid. Even if we didn't the rest of the world wouldn't be in the shit like covid has put it.
You know what, lets just agree to disagree pal.
Like i said neither of us are 100% right and neither of us are 100% wrong. You just wanna focus on the immediate consequences (arguably bc you've been imapacted by them and i'm sorry you had to endure what you did) but tryyyyy and consider some long term positive outcomes, can't hurt ya. Your points are only recognizing the misery.
I have aknowledged negative impacts of covid and its a Russian novel of a tragedy. But ye I MAINLY choose to focusing on the positive changes like: advancement in healthcare, mental health awareness, enviromental shifts AND accessibility to education and remote work.
I asked in the AskABrit page cos it would be a better debate but calling someone a cunt cos they dont think just like you is a bit too emotional
I think he probably called you a cunt because you're being an insensitive cunt. I can't imagine responding to someone saying they couldn't see their dying mother in some of her final days with:
"Tryyyyy and consider some long term positive outcomes"
What the fuck is wrong with you?
It's one tiny upside from the whole shitshow, the pensioners criticising us for it in the Mail comments section would do well to remember who demanded lockdowns and was at actual risk from the virus
Literally in a comment chain above responding "try to see the positives" after someone said they couldn't see their mum as she deteriorated. Jesus fucking christ...
COVID-19 is the 5th deadliest pandemic in the history of humankind, almost as bad as the Black Death in medieval Europe.
OP must be trolling at this point, and it is so disrespectful to the deaths of countless people, including the 1.6 million subs Youtuber Bashurverse and countless others.
You need to think long term for the next 100+ when we die life will carry on and when natural disaster shit shows happen they won’t be as severe. Life’s suffering you can’t avoid that. Democracy on the other hand is concerning. Look at the world leaders some of the world has had. That was chosen by the public. The majority of the public vote because they listen to others rather than read and educate themselves. As for mental help. You are correct. I think we all need it after the trauma we had to endure. If you think your exempt than well done. I envy your deluded confidence
If life's suffering surely you should be okay with suffering with *checks notes* doing your washing on Saturday?
Why when other people suffer with their family members dying that's just part of life but you "suffering" with going into work and doing your washing on a weekend doesn't count? You're so fucking selfish Jesus christ.
You can not be serious surely?
This is either a troll post or you are a genuine sociopath if you would let millions die and suffer just so you can work from home.
It’s not so I can work from home. It’s so I along with anyone who struggles with disabilities, debilitating depression, social anxiety can work from wherever they please. 90% of deaths were people over 60. That means that it’s impossible for covid to have been the only factor in everyone’s death. In 200 years from now people will read about covid in history books and how before that society operated as robots where they woke up at 6am every day, force fed themselves and rushed to go into an office for a set time to make money for someone else
My wife would love to go back to work, she was a front line care worker. Half of her residents died (32 out of 60), and she has been disabled by Long Covid and left unable to work, with a brand new shiny auto-immune disease to boot. And even now she still feels she is letting down the surviving residents.
You asked a question... now take some time to read the responses and ruminate on them for a few days before replying to them out of reflex. This could be a learning moment for you.
Yea fuck the old people I guess right? They don't have the right to live?
I lost a coworker in their twenties just because she had the misfortune to be born with a respiratory condition and caught COVID, she would still be alive today if it didn't happen. No one deserved what happened to her yet millions died.
I have insane social anxiety and have been on medication for it for a long time, but working is a part of life and COVID hasn't changed the way of working and living for many industries.
Your logic is based around mental health etc....during COVID again many millions went through severe depressions, alcoholism and had their businesses that they had perhaps spent decades doing wiped out and many still to this day have not recovered.
LMAO. I have to pay an extra $70 for my luggage when flying due to 9/11 because I can no longer bring my fuckin' tent poles in my carry on. The fuck?
Chris getting slapped wasn't nice and we could live in a moneyless society but $70 is $70.
[redacts all the actual problems 9/11 caused]
Absolutely mental. Covid.
You can vote back into the EU, you can set up new trade deals, you can see the mistakes and try to mitigate. You cannot politic or negotiate with a virus that continues to mutate and spread.
Brexit was a fucking stupid act of self harm, Covid is millions dead and millions more disabled. We haven't seen anything yet, it's just getting started.
Tell me you didn't lose a loved one to COVID without telling me.
I am American so my opinion on Brexit is moot.
...but Brexit is a political/government/essentially made-up movement that is reversible while Dead People because COVID is definitely irreversible.
Can't weigh in on the subject but god fucking damn it, your hypothetical choice to keep COVID on the books just damned my mother and friend to their chronic issues they have due to COVID. Fook you.
Well, on the one hand I used to argue about Brexit with my mum, and on the other hand, Covid killed my mum, millions of other people, and scarred a generation, so I think I'm gonna go with covid, mate. Glad you can do your laundry at a convient time though.
WTF is wrong with you?
Covid is a preventative for future pandemics. The likelihood of another pandemic is high but given the amount of scientific research and progress that has been made covid was a catalyst for generational change. There’s pros and cons to a bad thing - are you that narrow minded you can’t flip the narrative?
Healthcare has advanced which the future will benefit from not to mention it’s created a grater environmental Awaraness as well as YES flexible working. Now we don’t neeed to force ourselves into a depressing office every single day for the rest of our lives.
You’re right I am selfish but I’m also a realist and would rather move forward in life. Natural disasters happen all the time, people die all the time.
It’s how life works. You can’t stop it without another one popping up in its place.
Brexit on the other hand was a product of democratic stupidity
Maybe covid happening has allowed the prevention of billions of future deaths that would have resulted eventually. It’s good to read before you right. Scientists have consistently warned of future pandemics REGARDLESS of covid whether covid happened or not. Diseases evolve. History repeats itself
I have read all that you’ve wrote. I just don’t think you’re making valid points. It’s all a bit flimsy and all over the place, lots of maybes. Frankly you’re waffling a load of shite.
Lol my mum nearly died and has become permanently disabled and similar or worse happened to many other people, people are living still having to be constantly afraid of getting this illness that could kill them but yeah, it's totally worth it because you get to work from home now.
And the benefits of covid mean that people who are disabled and broke and always were can now receive support without having to go out and struggle to get support. Yes I work from home in public mental health. Covid is a shite show but it was a NATURAL DISASTER something we have zero control over. Natural disasters happen 24/7 round the world. Covid is one but look how far we have come with regards to medical research and environmental sustainability. Excuse me for trying to see some light in a dire situation
> And the benefits of covid mean that people who are disabled and broke and always were can now receive support without having to go out and struggle to get support
Jesus Christ mate delete this shite.
Have you had long covid? Have you been disabled? Have you tried to get any support because of it? You very clearly haven't.
This post is embarrassing tbh.
So you value physical healy more (especially as you were a victim of it) and I value mental health as a result of poor physical health. You’re not 100% wrong and you’re not 100% right. Neither am I. The world can’t all think the same. Then we would be one dimensional. Millions of people die every year.
Covid saw an increase in the last two years, yes. Majority of deaths were a consequence of other underlining health issues. 90% of deaths were of people over 60. Elderly people are the most at risk?
Their immune systems were probably already so shit because they had to get the bus to work.
What do you think I’ve not experienced grief??
I didn't tell you to delete your post, just that bit of your comment. It was disgusting tbh, because the support for disabled people is honestly as bad as ever. The NHS is on its knees. Idk why you think support is more easily available now? I don't think I've met any disabled person who would say that.
I never said I value physical health more at all either. Covid had a massive impact on people's mental health too (and still does), including my own.
There were lots of flexible working jobs before covid too. It's not something new. Sure it's more common now, but you could have done it before too.
> But at least try and think of some positives to a dire situation.
I've met previously healthy kids who have basically become house bound or bed ridden for over 2 years because of long covid. I'm quite happy to still choose to prevent covid rather than Brexit, thanks.
>it's totally worth it because you get to work from home now.
And you're entitled to your opinion! Just don't get why you summarise it as simply amounting to saying that it's "worth it because you get to work from home now" 😂
My brother worked in rail and covid got into his spinal fluid when he was 27 and he spent 2 weeks in intensive care having seizures. We were told we would probably lose him and we couldn’t say goodbye. There was 6 men on his ward, all around the same age and only him and one other left alive. He now lives with epilepsy and isn’t allowed to drive or work on a railway track.
I think people forget about the king lasting effect covid has had on people.
I live in Peru at the moment and there is a memorial of all of the doctors who died while working to save people. It’s hundreds of meters long and if you read the death dates there were 3-4 deaths per day of doctors at hospitals in Lima.
Brexit is shit but we brought that on ourselves. Covid was nobodies fault but handled poorly.
The way we lived globally was non-sensical and quality of life was low. So yes, seeing as both events have happened and I could turn back the time, I would choose to maintain steps we have already taken as a society to adapt then go back to a time where we had to work to live and have no time to see our loved ones. It was a horrific time for everyone including myself.
As I and everyone in my immediate life has been most effected by Brexit then yeah - i am going to put my needs and the needs if those I love first :)
As much as I fought against Brexit and hate everything about it, I’d still have to stop Covid.
Caught covid in Feb ‘20, before the first lockdown. As a result I have long covid. People don’t understand how utterly debilitating it can be. The brain fog is an annoying as fuck. I now go to gym classes with people whose average age is mid-70s. They still often wipe me out. In the general range of sufferers I’m pretty moderate.
The massive pulmonary embolism it caused in May ‘20 didn’t kill me, but similar clotting events have killed millions globally.
For all the (entirely predictable) gammony shitshow that Brexit is, I’d take it over Covid any day.
And we now know that genocide is a bad thing. So if you think about it, the holocaust was actually pretty good because we all learned a lesson, and we now get to WFH too.
😶
Do you think people didn’t die because of Brexit? There are thousands of people currently without essential medication due to Brexit. The numbers are smaller, but we’re people too.
Neither. I enjoyed the empty roads, waters clearing up and living a carefree existence during covid. However, the fact lockdowns fell on my 30th that was deep. Brexit, needs to be set right with someone who’s willing to get it done right.
So basically you’re happy millions of people died during the pandemic worldwide (and continue to do so), just so you could do your laundry in the week and sit on your arse in your kitchen drinking coffee in your pj’s whilst pretending to work.
It’s great to see you have your priorities in such great shape. I’m really pleased some of my hospital worker friends were seriously ill or died from Covid so you yourself could get your life, work balance all sorted.
People die every day. In 100 years we will all be dead and the world will benefit more from the medical research and sacrifices that happened in our time. Sometimes bad things need to happen to prevent worse things happening. It’s called adversity.
People suffer so that others don’t have to. Because covid happened now preventions can happen to regulate future diseases.
I work for the NHS for free providing support to those who are disabled / elderly and lost people too. Natural disasters happen all the time. But democratic stupidity can be regulated much easier
They say that there are no stupid questions, only stupid answers....
This has now conclusively been proven false. I've heard of shit posting but this post is pure shit.
Covid brought us not having to leave China, to get a new Chinese visa. Just reapply. So much easier now!
But yeah, my mum couldn’t see her new grandson for three years. So y’know, swings and roundabouts
Brexit wasn’t even the problem in theory, our government is incompetent is what made it fail. The EU dictate your laws from Brussels, it betrayed what originally the EU was meant to be (A common market) but humans as always get greedy with power.
But how is this a question? For you to ask this question and chose no Brexit I genuinely think you’re set in your ways and have a certain mindset.
Covid killed vulnerable, stopped people from seeing their parents and grandparents. Had old men and women die in homes alone with no family because of restrictions. Stunted kids and teenagers mental development and social skills among countless things I could list.
Brexit hasn’t done anything as worse as that.
I mean Brexit has buggered up the economy, but I almost died from Covid and I’ve been left with medically unexplained cognitive and cardiovascular issues so I’m going to go with Covid.
A pandemic of similar stature was overdue and we are likely to see others. What we know is that we can pull together and fight off a virulent and lethal disease, but that complacency will always cost us dearly. We have learned that scientists if given the resources can achieve huge things. Vaccines typically take decades to develop, but when the threat was frightening enough to terrify western governments, the research was funded and we developed not just new vaccines, but a whole new way of making them, and in a matter of months.
We were going to get hit by a global pandemic at some point, and stopping covid wouldn’t have prevented that. Ironically, the fact that we had to deal with covid may have left us better prepared for the next virus that comes at us.
Brexit however, has produced no silver linings of any kind and was completely avoidable. Covid was a bigger disaster, but at least will help us deal with future disasters of similar type. Brexit was, and still is, nothing but a festival of fuckwittery that does nothing but wave the flag for self destructive human stupidity.
Stop Brexit because it’s harder to go on holiday now cause of the Darren’s from Bristol who thought by leaving the EU the immigrants will stop coming in.
I loved Covid, the first lockdown was amazing for me. I remember the whole family used to stay up all night chilling, then we’d all sleep until midday and didn’t feel bad about it.
As a bristolian im a bit offended by this bristol slander when 141k people voted to remain and 87k people voted to leave, so almost double voted to remain here.
Considering millions have been crippled by long covid and millions of people worldwide are dead, I’d happily give up working from home to get them back.
Brexit is a fucking mistake but it hasn’t killed anyone like that.
You’ll bring those people back and sooner or later they will die like we all will. I am interested in improving quality of life for future generations. Imagine the world in 200 years from now learning that for decades people who work for someone else had to break their neck every day to get to work and sit in an office every day.
It was a sacrifice that allowed us to approach life in another way. Would I want to go back to a time that was so backwards?
There’s pros and cons to both im choosing the one that has the most optimal effects for me
Honestly the mass amount of people in the UK won't have even noticed brexit, it's just one of the things added into the list of excuses for tax inflation.
Honestly, people talk about brexit like the whole of the UK has changed, outside of some price increases that are happening from every angle anyway I haven't even noticed
Covid fucked the world up, killed off loads of small businesses, mass people died.
True the majority voted Brexit haha. Most Brits are racist and as per their right put themselves first. s someone whose dual nationality I chose the other but I’m starting to feel like this group is predominately for full English breakfasts
Congrats so did I. It was the worst period of my life and I am glad i went through it because it made me resilient. Now I've done a 180 in my career and work in the public sector for free. The fact I can learn online is amazing so through adversion came growth!
What about people who have crippling depression, anxiety or are disabled? Are they bad people for choosing their own mental health welfare? Me being able to learn/work online means I can work with anyone in need. Accessiblity is important to me, it may not be to you. Each to their own. Wow that you can't tolerate it.
Is anyone seriously going to say brexit!
Covid has hurt so many people. I see no gains from it at all. And being able to do your washing at different times during your week is so self involved, vacuous, and pathetic. The physical and emotional toll of this virus has been catastrophic and the ripples continue to affect people.
Op go be superficial elsewhere, your self indulgent thoughts are whack!
COVID has killed millions so far, leaving a large number of people long term disabled, myself included. Due to all the long-term illness as a consequence of this, and who knows what else is round the corner, the NHS is doomed to fail due to the impossibility of preparation. Of course, it's not just the NHS that will suffer - a greater dependency on accessibility in public, extra reliance on disability support services, more people being long term unfit for work, etc. are all consequences that are around as a result of non-critical COVID cases. That's just what we know, of course - we don't know what kind of longer term issues may be present. Obviously, you can factor in all the very serious cases of including, including deaths, and the effects they have on people. Let's not forget the economy being what it is, and how that affects people. How everything affects everybody is so important.
Well, not for you, of course. It's all worth it to skip some ironing.
Covid. I loathe Brexit, and I do believe it's a fundamental mistake. I will do anything within the compass of political politics to reverse it. But I would not prioritise it over people's fundamental wellbeing.
Brexit made me relaise that democracy is overrated because the results arent always optimal. I respect your choice to choose peoples wellbeing! Thanks for being one of the few people who answered respecfully :)
I agree that democracy is overrated, but mostly because people that have no clue about a lot of things, or that don't contribute shouldn't be allowed to vote. I don't think it's overrated because a vote didn't go my way.
>democracy is overrated because the results arent always optimal.
Haha ok, I'm convinced that you are trolling now!
If you're legit serious then worth pointing out that Brexit won, and the Conservatives have been in power for a while now and so taking action on the "democracy is overrated" statement would involve either;
1. Outright civil war and basically an insurrection from the far left.
2. The far right ruling with an iron fist, and having people like you on their naughty list.
Covid; any day. My work went back to pre COVID working (all in office) as soon as it was safe to do so (and some would argue before it was safe to do so). Oh; and the fact I lost my baby sister to covid, my partner at the time was a A&E nurse and I saw just how badly the pandemic fucked her past breaking point. Brexit was a mistake, sure. Don’t disagree. But Covid affected humanity on a scale that Brexit won’t ever come close to.
>Thanks to Covid, society has started to shift towards a healthier work-life balance, recognizing that we work to live, not live to work. We can now spend more quality time with family and loved ones and manage our work hours better around personal commitments.
Satire? I just can't believe I'm seeing "thanks to Covid" in the same paragrapgh as "We can now spend more quality time with family and loved ones".
What about the people who literally died because of Covid? People's family and loved ones... You reckon they are looking down and thanking Covid for killing them?
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> I no longer have to do my laundry on the weekends
Wow!
>I can kill two birds with one stone
I bet you can...
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Anyways, to answer your absurd question I would rather stop Covid.
Depends on how you define the question, I suppose. Narrowly defined, definitely stop Covid. However, if ‘stopping’ Covid deletes all the knowledge we gained on mitigating pandemics, rapidly developing vaccines, learning about coronaviruses and virus mutations more generally - all of which *may* save hundreds of millions of lives next time and the time after that (or stop some outbreak even becoming a pandemic) then Covid never happening might not be the win you immediately assume it is. Lives lost can be easily counted, lives saved with gained knowledge less so.
Absolutely Covid, yeah Brexit is annoying and I was never for it but I was far more affected personally by Covid, my mum had been diagnosed with terminal cancer in 2020, a month in to the first lockdown she passed, couldn't go to the hospital to be with her in her final hours, never got a funeral or any closure no friends or family could visit me to offer condolences, the most important person in my life gone without the send off she deserved, I should've had all my family and friends to help support my dad and I, to this day nearly 4 years later I still don't think I've passed the denial stage.
Brexit is Brexit but Covid can suck king kong's dick and choke.
Only through great sorrow does great change usually evolve.
Tragedy does give way to strong action through consequence, but it will never unite a people.
My grandchildren will still be paying off the COVID bill when they should be retired.
Brexit was the right choice at the time and without COVID messing up the whole world’s trade, we might have seen some real benefits by now.
Also, I have long COVID and it’s really fucking awful
What sort of real benefits? Honestly curious what actual benefits we could have seen if not for Covid. Is this the new way to justify brexit, that it’s a shit show because of Covid?
>Brexit was the right choice at the time and without COVID messing up the whole world’s trade, we might have seen some real benefits by now.
Like fucking what?
It's a numbers game, so Brexit, ultimately it will have killed more people than covid did, as the consequences of brexit will continue for another 3 decades or so, covid will total just a few years start to finish.
So Brexit is going to kill millions (the global death toll since you know it was a global pandemic)?
Even if it’s ‘just’ the U.K. it’s pretty laughable to suggest Brexit, which at most will largely just cause some annoying economic disruption, will cause that much
Covid. So many people died all over the world for no fault of their own, the poorest suffering the most.
Brexit is a shit show, but this country brought it on itself. Comparing the two is mental, imo.
Brexit was a democratic vote, with a result you happen to disagree agree with.
Covid was a global crisis due to a deadly highly contagious virus with no cure, and without restrictions on movement, it would have caused health services to collapse completely.
I'm not see the comparison.
I‘d stop Brexit, too. In the long run, it‘s going to ruin the British economy and livelihood even further. It‘s ruined British standing in the world, and it only served to feed narcissistic liars‘ egos.
Brexit.
Covid was a natural disaster that was going to happen and will happen again.
Brexit is a form of self immolation. It will last to the break up of the UK and has crippled us financially and will continue to do so and have far more and further reaching consequences for the future of the country and upcoming generations.
Covid and the policy response was a truly abhorrent event which has written off the young and led to far greater economic consequences than Brexit. It's a total no-brainer.
I agree on hybrid working (I milk it for all I can, it's the one thing the boomers will let me have after taking everything else) but it's a fairly small pro amongst all the cons
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