wait, did everyone learn square dancing? i thought it was just my first grade class that did it, because our teacher was into it. it wasn’t in PE and it wasn’t the whole school.
Was living Wales, UK in the 90's. It was hilarious watching the local "Boyos" get rigged out in Stetsons and cowboy boots and put on that "Just moseyed into town with the rodeo" affectation.
Seriously, it was comedy gold. Imagine a load of Texas crawling Tom Joneses and enjoy!
1976 President Ford. It wasn't a mandate really but encouraged as part of the ' Bicentennial American Folk life Celebration.' It just continued after that because the school systems felt like (based on the 1950s) it made us 'more rounded individuals'
We did it during a local Spring Break day camp at the Y in Canada. I was 8 and not very comfortable being made to dance/hold hands w/boys that early. Couple years later, totally different story, lol. I don’t think I was the youngest age group either.
When I started dating my sister, it really impressed our parents when I knew how to dosie-do at the barn dance. Now we have four little hemophiliacs of our own!
You may be right. I never understood why kids in suburban Chicago had to learn it but not other styles of dance. As kids we did not question it. So was it a federal mandate that it had to be taught in PE classes?
My tiny small town Catholic parochial grade school taught both in gym class, square dancing and The Hustle. Was teaching The Hustle some kind of standard response back then by teachers who were irritated by the square dancing mandate?
Hero. That must have done way, way, wayyyyy more for your social life than square dancing skills ever could have!
I can't be the only one who held up walls at college parties waiting for a chance to show off my dosey-doh'ing that never came....
Here in the mid Hudson Valley of NY, we had it in high school. But, I'm also pretty sure we had it in elementary and middle school too. And it was taught during PE.
It’ll come in useful in a few years from now, after the apocalypse, when the survivors are living in the agrarian neo-amish enclaves at the edges of the wastelands.
When we did it at school, my mom told me it was dangerous for adults to do it (as her sister sometimes did), because you dance with other people as you move around the “square” and that might lead to marital affairs.
Junior High was square dancing for PE. By my senior year it was aerobics in PE. Was laughed at more so in aerobics lol than square dancing. I guess because any potential dancing and rhythm skill was destroyed by square dancing lol...
Yep, we did it for quite a few years in elementary school and junior high. I really liked it. The only part I didn’t like was that the boys had sweaty hands. 😆
I somehow got assigned with a bunch of stoners and contrarians in my square so we started doing mosh pit square dancing which was loads of fun. We'd try to trip, fling, push, etc each other as we did the dance but yet still manage to finish. We'd all be roaring laughing and the teachers would get so irked but we did in fact still know the dance and we'd finish it somehow most of the time as long as no one tripped or went flying too badly. We stayed just inside the technical letter of the law. So ironically I have very found memories of square dancing, unlike probably every other square besides us.
According to my experience at reenactment balls, you were probably doing it more correctly than you think.
Imagine doing it drunk, and flinging particularly petite partners at their next partner with reckless abandon, and them drunkenly whirling into them like fluffy giggling missiles.
It was a BLAST! But I think that was the point. I'm guessing, originally, there was a fair bit of drink involved, and mostly young people frolicking, with live music.
Square dance is pretty rustic, so it was bound to be drunken and raucous.
True story, in one gym class I screwed up the Allemand left twice. My gym teacher got literally furious, went into her office and came out with a permanent marker and wrote a big R on my right hand and L on my left while the whole class watched. Great times.
Never used my square dancing skillz after the 5th grade. Sad! But I remember they put Devil Went Down to Georgia on the record player in gym class while we dose-do'd. Hilarious that this was some kind of weird nationwide mandate. Sure would have liked to learn swing dancing as a kid. That would have been useful when it came back in fashion in the 90's.
My hometown was pretty diverse, even in the mid-80s, and had a decent sized Jewish community. And yet the weird Henry Ford-inspired square dance thing persisted at my elementary school at least that long.
Square dancing was a ton more fun than the two months of volleyball. Standing in one place and being yelled at for missing the ball every time was torture.
My wife and I were talking about this last night. She grew up in Illinois with a stint in Kentucky and was subjected to square dancing as part of PE. I grew up in Kansas and not once in my entire schooling was there square dancing. I’d never heard of it until I met her.
My gym classes were full of every conceivable physical activity. Bowling, badminton, archery, dodgeball, swimming, baseball, basketball, football, field hockey, team handball, climbing weird rack shit that went halfway up the walls, some crazy game involving a big parachute, and yes, square dancing. It didn't come across as particularly strange given all the other stuff they made us do.
I think that was the point of square dancing, along with all the other weird stuff they had us doing. They were trying to get everybody into the habit of doing 30 minutes a day of *it doesn't matter what just move your damn body around somehow.*
Some people had fun dancing, some people liked the gymnastics. Other people liked the volleyball, or basketball, or jogging, pushups, or whatever. The intention was to just show everybody a whole range of ways of getting exercise. And optimistically people carried on that habit of getting 30 minutes of whatever into their real lives after they graduated.
I have come to believe that Gym was probably the most important class we had. (And I'll tell you what -- if you *did* carry on that habit of consistently getting in your 30 minutes a day of whatever, you'd be better off than like 75% of people.)
It literally was a program instituted in [schools to counteract the influence of jazz and keep people on a good moral compass](https://qz.com/1153516/americas-wholesome-square-dancing-tradition-is-a-tool-of-white-supremacy#:~:text=Along%20with%20his%20wife%20and,and%20by%201928%2C%20almost%20half)....
We did that too. But, one set of my four grandparents actually did square dancing and clogging for fun. I got to go one night. Square Dancing I understood. Clogging? No, just no. This was the decade of Gregory Hines and TAP! Clogging was the very uncool version of tap dancing.
As with many of the things I experienced in the 70s, a piece of me died during square dance days. Old men in embroidered western shirts with snaps and old ladies with voluminous petticoats would come to our class to teach us the joys of living like we were in a little house on the prairie via Hee Haw.
It was humiliating. The teacher could've just paired us up. Instead we were 4 Asian girls standing by the wall and the teacher eventually picked out the four tallest blond boys and made them dance with us.
No, I would say it definitely needs to be higher on your resume. Maybe even before experience. What hiring manager is going to give a shit about 10 years as a senior level employee at a Fortune 500 when they see that you can do si do. They'll see that skill and say we need to hire that person now and fail to read anything after. This will also hide large employment gaps as well if you have any.
In Minnesota, we had a dancing unit in PE every year that I remember well enough. Definitely before 4th grade through 9th grade. It was awful. It wasn't always square dancing either. At some point, we started to foxtrot and waltz. Besides the swimming unit during middle school, it was the most emotional abuse I felt my school administration inflicted upon me during my school years.
Oh god. Middle school. I *hated* it, cos I was so clumsy I always was one of the last one chosen. The PE teacher made us divide up into teams, and each team captain got to choose who they wanted on their team.
My entire 5th grade class. The Virginia Reel. On stage in the auditorium for a forced school talent day or some bullshit like that. A couple people in class lost their step about halfway thru and it was a domino effect. All of a sudden, we all forgot how to do-si-do like we had practiced for weeks and started ripping off our crepe paper sashes, giggling and totally embarrassing our teacher. I still feel bad about that.
Racism.
No, seriously, racism.
Square dancing curriculum as attached to federal education funding. It was supposed to "preserve white culture" as old white dudes were afraid that white kids were being seduced and corrupted by "black music". And since music leads to dancing and dancing leads to sex that would mean the "contamination of the white race."
So, yeah. We had to learn to square dance because a bunch of racists were afraid white kids and black kids would start fucking.
Fuck that stupid shit! My high school PE class had to do this for an entire week. We then got a grade at the end of the week after having to partner up and square dance in front of everyone. Ungh
That so many still don't know about this is really sad.
[America’s wholesome square dancing tradition is a tool of white supremacy](https://qz.com/1153516/americas-wholesome-square-dancing-tradition-is-a-tool-of-white-supremacy)
Henry Ford paid schools all over the country to teach square dancing because he was a white supremacist.
From the article: "Ford [*hated* jazz](http://www.blacdetroit.com/BLAC-Detroit/November-2016/How-did-country-music-become-so-white-Blame-Henry-Fords-war-on-jazz/); he hated the Charleston. He also really hated Jewish people, and believed that Jewish people invented jazz as part of a nefarious plot to corrupt the masses and take over the world—a theory that might come as a surprise to the black people who actually did invent it."
[https://qz.com/1153516/americas-wholesome-square-dancing-tradition-is-a-tool-of-white-supremacy](https://qz.com/1153516/americas-wholesome-square-dancing-tradition-is-a-tool-of-white-supremacy)
Came here to find this. Was asked to write an article on the rise of square dancing a few years back, found all this info, and the article was canceled. It’s always racism.
here's another article with quotes too:
[https://qz.com/1153516/americas-wholesome-square-dancing-tradition-is-a-tool-of-white-supremacy](https://qz.com/1153516/americas-wholesome-square-dancing-tradition-is-a-tool-of-white-supremacy#:~:text=Along%20with%20his%20wife%20and,and%20by%201928%2C%20almost%20half)
2000's Cracked is a different company, they bought the name and copyright but it's still quite good. I was actually surprised they are still making content, they shut down for a while and the writers do other things like Behind the Bastards podcast and Some More News YT show
This little clip surprised me, they don't have citations, it should
Yeah, it was fun. However, how did it happen?
“We’ve got a bunch of old military surplus stuff. What should we do with it?”
“I dunno, send it to the grade schools and let them figure it out.”
Northeast PA...in the boonies. We were years behind on trends...but not on this. We absolutely did square dancing in P.E. There's no way that this wasn't a national standard education thing. My school wasn't doing anything because it was trendy.
Oh I remember square dancing quite well! We always had some unit on it in school PE in elementary school but my best friend was ALL in to it. Had those ridiculous fancy dresses and tap shoes too.
A North American elementary school teacher and administration-wide conspiratorial inside joke on kids that played out for more than one generation. That was the point.
[America’s wholesome square dancing tradition is a tool of white supremacy](https://qz.com/1153516/americas-wholesome-square-dancing-tradition-is-a-tool-of-white-supremacy)
I always thought it was something encouraged by Henry Ford, to keep white kids away from the dangers of Jazz and the lindy hop? Basically undercover racism.
"Useless" - ? Well ok, it can look pretty dumb from outside their culture. But it is certain that they find a mosh-pit, firedance, dance battles or etc to be just as silly.
Who cares? At least they are being social in person. (I think it looks silly too. So I don't pay attention to it.)
We all said we hated square dancing, but as a middle schooler, we would mentally count off and reorganize the lineup to make sure we got to hold hands with the cute guy.
That’s crazy. I almost put an asterisk to at least acknowledge I may excluding the non-Americans who follow this sub but apparently Australia, Canada and the UK also did it, which does kinda blow my mind.
The actual truth:
Henry Ford was a Nazi, hated black people and jazz music, though Jewish people were spreading jazz to undermine American values, and sponsored an educational dance program to get white people to do white people dances.
https://qz.com/1153516/americas-wholesome-square-dancing-tradition-is-a-tool-of-white-supremacy
What's wild is I remember learning the recorder and square dancing and cross stitch. Now ask me for any of the capitals I sweated to learn for countries that no longer exist. Theoretically it's all "learning to learn" and if they were more on it we'd have learned about our learning styles, work environments, interests, etc to help us make choices later. School's wild
Teacher perspective: the specific skills that PE is trying to develop in children is coordination between fine and gross motor functions. The purpose is not merely exercise and sports but learning g to use your body. Add some “we need to respect American culture” ideology and “sports aren’t everything” people and you get square dancing.
I wish I had done much much more square dancing.
It was part of our 8th grade gym class. I just figured it was cuz it was too cold out in the winter and they needed something to fill in for a few weeks after Christmas break until it got warm out.
Racism and antisemitism are the reason it became a thing in schools.
https://www.mic.com/articles/186892/how-square-dancing-became-a-weapon-of-white-supremacy-against-an-anti-semitic-jazz-dance-conspiracy
Ok, well, *thanks for that*. I mean, I've never been a fan of Ford anyway, but now even moreso.....
Is there *anything* American that I'm allowed to be proud of anymore?
I was on the invasion into Iraq, so I'm not proud of my military service.
I was a prison guard who walked away from the career because of politics, so I can't be proud of that.
Up until I left the military, I was a Republican, so *that's* right out.
I'm not allowed to enjoy being white.
I'm not allowed to enjoy being male.
What the fuck have I got left to be proud of?
Help people who need help. Defend your country from threats foreign *and* domestic. Be a good, kind, and decent person. Make art. Make music. Bring joy to someone's life. Vote for people who are trying to make the world better, not those who are making *their* world better. Those are all things to celebrate and be proud of.
Being white and male is fine as long as you can recognize how it affects your life and how *whiteness* has affected the lives of non whites.
But I get it, I really really do. I've struggled with my own cis het white maleness and my place in the world.
Just because square dancing was forced upon kids across the country because of racism and antisemitism doesn't mean you can't still enjoy it. It's not your fault you were introduced to it because of that. But knowing the history of it helps you to see that there are insidious forces at work within our society and we should always be on the lookout for them. Square and contra dancing can still be fun and you can still choose to partake with no shame or reservations.
>Is there *anything* American that I'm allowed to be proud of anymore?
Yes, there is a lot. When examining our history, it's also important to acknowledge and celebrate the progress we've made. We have a responsibility to examine the bad stuff so that we don't repeat it, and part of that process is celebrating the good stuff that came as a result of our decision to live up to the ideals we claim to adhere to.
If you mean Henry Ford was a massive anti-Semite and believed that Jews were controlling blacks with reefer and jazz music so to counter it, he gave states massive grants to teach square dancing to hopefully keep kids away from Jewish-backed black music… then yes- that is American culture.
9 times out of 10, if we are talking about American history, the answer is racism. Sometimes it’s evangelical Christianity, though, just to make it a little more interesting. Sometimes it’s both!
*exasperated American sigh*
When I was little I lived in TX for about a year. We had an elementary school musical where everyone ended up square dancing for like 3/4 of it. I am likely the worst dancer the planet has ever seen. I volunteered for AV.
Of course I’m now a commercial AV program manager so I guess there’s that.
I didn’t even think this was a real thing but I’m in the reaches of northern New England. My theory is that it’s a holdover from colonial days since we were settled by zealots who put people in the stocks for whistling, and hanging witches based on the testimony of tweens.
This article is over the top by quite a bit...but I still found it entertaining.
https://qz.com/1153516/americas-wholesome-square-dancing-tradition-is-a-tool-of-white-supremacy#:~:text=Along%20with%20his%20wife%20and,and%20by%201928%2C%20almost%20half
At least in IL, public schools are required to teach x number of hours of "arts" to every student. Doing six weeks of square dancing in gym class fulfills that requirement.
Well, it got people moving around instead of just sitting there all day.....but yeah I always thought it was pretty corny LOL They made us do it in private school for the first few years I was there, probably up until 5th grade or something.
I'm from a region that it's truly native to (Appalachia) and I know there's a history of forcing it on people all over the country...
I did really enjoy it though. I have to say I was so glad to have it as the day's exercise in health class because it was so much more relaxed and enjoyable and fun than any sport where you might get hit in the head with a ball.
As an adult I *have* willingly done more square dancing than I have any sportsball stuff.
I grew up in rural PA in the mountains and we had square dancing in the third grade. About once a week if I remember. It wasn't our gym period though, because I remember having gym afterwards sometimes, then recess. It was like the easiest day when they all lined up.
I liked it better than any sport that required me to throw something at a specific target. I am not good at that. I liked dodgeball better than those sports, too, because it didn’t matter if I couldn’t throw the ball to a specific place. Team sports where I was supposed to throw a ball at a specific target were even worse, because I got blamed for dragging down my team.
I say an article recently about this but I can't remember where. Basically Henry Ford thought jazz was jewish music and since Henry Ford was antisemitic he was looking for a way to keep people away from jazz. To do this he decided to push square dancing and country music. One of his methods was to get the school systems to teach square dancing.
We had it in elementary school, but it pretty much disappeared after that. But I went to one of those large 2800 student high schools, so we actually had different gym electives each quarter. (We had 4 gyms, a pool, a dance studio, football field, soccer field, and baseball diamond). Just for dance we could choose from a couple levels of ballet, jazz and social dance.
I think they threw a few days of square dancing in social dance, but everyone preferred contra dancing (fewer random people’s sweaty hands). But social dance also covered waltzes, salsa, and some other stuff I’ve long since forgotten. (But for me, dance, archery and fencing were definitely more fun than running circles on that indoor track.)
My father and stepmother were really into square dancing for a while in the late ‘80s. Turns out it people were swinging their partners round and round in more ways than one, and things got pretty wild in the square dance event hotels.
There was a really great Radiolab episode about our weird fascination with square dancing. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/birdie-in-the-cage/id152249110?i=1000454567072
BELIEVE IT OR NOT . .. Henry Ford!
[The Surprisingly Racist Origins Of Square Dancing In Gym Class (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxEZMXnQGs8)
I lived in some Spanish neighborhoods so, it came in handy for me later on in life.
It came in handy for understanding Italian when I was there a few times. A lot of the words are very similar, or close enough that it's easy to remember. For example:
"dove è la biblioteca?"
Northern Florida, it was a regular unit in high school PE. As someone who usually hated PE and particularly team sports, I loved square dancing. And I remember working up a sweat doing it. So it was at least meeting the goal of keeping us active!
It helped me be less shy around girls when I was in elementary school. But other than that, it did seem rather silly ... I kept thinking it was something really old people did.
I never did it, but my parents were big into it during the 70's. When I was a wee lad, they would leave me with grandma so they could go and square dance the night away with their friends.
I liked it.
For one, it was an opportunity to dance with girls. There were no school dances, and while most guys weren't interested, man, I sure was.
For another, on the playground, it inspired our own version of the Virginia Reel, we called "The Dance of Death", which was a gauntlet of 2 lines windmilling their arms while 2 "death dancers" would race down the line and the "winner", would then attempt to keep the loser inside the gauntlet as long as possible.
It was up their with dodge ball for me.
I never appreciated having to touch numerous boys' sweaty hands during the flu season. I remember our square dancing unit was during December and everyone in the grade basically touched everyone else's hand. Ew!
There was some story I heard a few years ago that it was because of Henry Ford wanting to make sure we all did it (because racism and antisemitism). Here’s a link outlining it: https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8X3Wwre/
It was no more useless than anything else we ever did in PE, and it was much more fun. Folk dancing, parachute day, and archery were the only bright spots in 13 years of torture.
We spent the better part of a week in 1977 learning the Virginia Reel. It was *very* useful when my kids had to do the same in the early 2010s. We bonded over that shared experience in fact. That was the only time it's come up since 1977 for me.
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