Linux distributions ranked by Google Trends scores - January 2024
Posted by byten42@reddit | linux | View on Reddit | 113 comments
Posted by byten42@reddit | linux | View on Reddit | 113 comments
Virtual-Zucchini2777@reddit
a lot of gatekeeping out here
Extension-Shower3603@reddit
rockyLinux,Yes!
ThreeChonkyCats@reddit
Kali at #3 is interesting.
As u/ben2talksays, if someone wants a Secret Squirrel hacky tool, the very last goddam place to look for it it Google!!!
mneptok@reddit
Please.
Make it stop.
Loonix is 4 H4CKZ0RZ! WHAT IS MAKE BEST GOOD WANT FOR H4CKZ0RZ?! IS KALI!!1!!11!!!one!!!"
Twelve seconds later ...
Hey! Reddit! What is an /etc?!
Please.
Make it stop.
ThreeChonkyCats@reddit
Hehe.
I had a bit of a vent with another Redditor not so long about this too.
I really LOVE spending time with n00bs showing them the ropes, finding the tools, learning new tricks, amazing them.... BUT the thing that makes me crazier than a shit-house rat is the number of people jumping straight into Kali or Arch and using them as their dailies.
Sweet Baby Jesus.... one more dickhead who complains about some minor issue on Kali when they can't get their fucking Steam running (!!!!), or asking some appallingly ignorant question about installing some basic thing/service (!!!)....
One guy was genuinely DISMAYED with the number of n00bs on Arch.
Arch is fantastic. It is the holiest of holies.... but as an OS for those new to the sport? Its a DISASTER waiting to happen....
OrnithorynqueVert_@reddit
Arch isn't a problem as first distro. All the requirements of arch is to know reading.
You dont need to be technical. All you have to do is read and search about what you red.
And the Arch wiki is one of the greatest wiki (S/O to my gentoo boy who have a great wiki too)
CaliBboy@reddit
As a simple general linux user (i do not use the terminal, i m' not sys admin, i do not code, etc) Arch is one of last distros general uses should use. Arch is based on the user knowing or wanting to know how to build their system which is not what general users want.
I been using linux for over 10 years and I wouldn't even attempt to use Arch or even a rolling release distro.
I think your epitomize the general ignorance that are actually Linux users who are not computer nerds and actually use a distro the same wat they would use Windows or a Mac.
deleted_by_reddit@reddit
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Downtown-Group-7613@reddit
You can't stop me, past me.
yerfukkinbaws@reddit
But why do you assume that someone who hasn't used Linux before is that kind of "general" user. Those are totally different concepts.
Kruug@reddit
Because Windows knowledge doesn't translate to Linux. Everyone who comes to Linux as a new user is a "general" user at first. They don't know what they don't know.
yerfukkinbaws@reddit
u/CaliBboy's description of "general users" was about how someone expects to use their computer, not their level of understanding.
You think someone who's new to Linux can't "want to know how to build their system"?
Kruug@reddit
They would be in the minority for sure. The majority of users want a tool to get work done.
Arch is nothing special. Everything you can do with Arch you can do with Ubuntu, Fedora, openSUSE, etc.
CaliBboy@reddit
There lies the problem who do you assume they are not? Most distros are designed for newbies Ubuntu, etc. Arch is not designed for newbies.
yerfukkinbaws@reddit
Ubuntu isn't "designed for newbies," it's designed for people who want or expect to use a computer in certain ways. Some newbies are that type of user (maybe even most, but definitely not all) and so Ubuntu will be a good choice for them.
Arch is also designed for people who want or expect to use a computer in certain ways, different somewhat from Ubuntu. Some newbies happen to be that type of user (maybe few, but definitely not none) and Arch will be a good choice for them.
It's odd that you're muddling these concepts (experience with Linux vs. how you want to use the computer) considering you just pointed out that you're a counter-example yourself.
CaliBboy@reddit
As new to Linux. I suppose you do not remember when many distros were trying compete with Windows to gain general users. How many "year of Linux" has there been since 2000's? How many articles written promoting the theory now windows has update many people will flock to Linux? It never materialized why because of people like you who reuse to accept that the majority to computers users do not even like computers. its a means to end. It's a tool. No one wants to know how a microwave works only that it does work.
As your comment demonstrates you are not a general user and refuse to see most general computer users do want nor like using the terminal. You're the type of person who will argue over wayland support.
I've been a Linux user for over a decade I couldn't tell you the difference between wayland and X nor care. I never built anything from source. I do not use the terminal. I do not know any programming language. I am average general computer user and Arch is not designed for people like me. It was designed for people like you. Now how many Windows and Mac users are like you? Very few.
yerfukkinbaws@reddit
I totally agree with you about "general users" and I think what I said concerning Ubuntu should have been clear enough about that. All I'm saying is that being a "general user" is not at all the same as being new to Linux. I don't see what's so hard to understand here. New Linux users can be "general users" or they can be more, let's say, "technical users." Long-time Linux users can also be of either type.
As you have said, you are an example of a user who is not new to Linux, but is a "general user." On the other hand, I am an example of someone who was once new to Linux but was not a "general user." What I said in the comment you linked was my own experience. When I was new to Linux, Mint was my first distro since it's so often recommended to "newbies." What I found, though, was that it was not what I was looking for because in actual fact, it's really tailored to "general users," not people who are new to Linux. I then tried a "not designed for newbies" distro (Bodhi in my case, not Arch, which I have still never really used much) and found that it suited me much better for the reasons I mentioned in that post.
So, between the two of us, we pretty clearly demonstrate that equating "new Linux users" with "general users" must be incorrect. Why don't people just say what's actually the case, which is that distros like Ubuntu and Mint are good for "general users" and distros like Arch and Bodhi are good for more "rechnical users"? Why even try to muddle the concept of "newbie" in there at all?
pukey1@reddit
I agree here.. it's easy to use cosier Linux distributions without learning much about Linux. It took me a few months of reading wiki articles to become comfortable with my Arch system but it was well worth it.
ThreeChonkyCats@reddit
I read your reply last night and decided to give it a good think before replying.
I agree that one doesn't NEED to be technical, but it absolutely helps.
I considered a few angles, mechanical engineering, physics, chemistry and decided upon chemistry being an apt analogy.
One can be given a recipe to make aspirin, ABS or Super Glue (cyanacrylate), BUT it sure does help to have a lot of the basics, prior knowledge of processes and methods, way before blindly following a recipe.
It will give one Aspirin, ABS or CA, but beyond that? How to tweak it? How will the newbie know to add a Nitrogen to the ABS to remove brittleness? WWAAAAYYYY outta any league of possibility. They can't even see the error, let alone think there IS an error.
One needs a good solid base to genuinely understand the HOW and WHY of things without a million questions.
This is why I believe Arch to be like Chemistry. It is simple, but hooley dooley is it complex.....
mneptok@reddit
I wrote my first code on a TRS-80, then graduated to a PDP11/40.
I translated APL to Lotus 1-2-3 macro.
I was the primary support mechanism for BeOS in the Americas and most of Asia.
And I'm a useful idiot. I know nothing. I learn every day. And I try to keep things simple.
GOOG my u/. I'm not lying.
And I use vanilla Debian 12 as my daily driver. Because my laziness is only matched by my experience and intelligence.
Hey! New Linux user! GET OUT OF YOUR OWN WAY!
Am I being an old coot? FML ...
StatementOwn4896@reddit
Wow BeOS? Goddamn if you got a minute I’d love to hear how you got involved in that little rabbit hole
ThreeChonkyCats@reddit
Are you me?
Zeus' beard I loved those early days.
BeOS... I was a champion of that here in Oz. It was amazing, so amazing.
mneptok@reddit
Older than Jean-Louis!
Darwin down to Alice Springs!
is_computer_on_fire returns 0 or we're toast!
Ya cunt. 😉
IrquiM@reddit
That's why I still use Slackware
gihutgishuiruv@reddit
This has been a thing since Backtrack and will probably exist until we run out of nerdy teenage edgelords (read: never).
james2432@reddit
it's useful for security pen testing as it comes with most of the tools you'd need to perform your job, but the tools aren't exclusive to kali obviously. I can install johntheripper/metasploit/burpsuite on arch too
jr735@reddit
I guess today's version of script kiddies are clueless enough to use Google.
Bubbly-Ad-1427@reddit
tbh i bet that the pentest features of kali are probably all available on github
jr735@reddit
Not to mention Debian's own repositories. They want the tools, but don't even know where to look, yet they want to run Kali.
CrazyCartwheels@reddit
Cool Dragon, bro!
Guy_Perish@reddit
It really shows how large the security expert roleplaying community is in Linux.
ExaHamza@reddit
No android on the list, interesting.
byten42@reddit (OP)
Small update. In 49th place should be: Bedrock Linux.
Each following distro must take place n+1.
Also, SmartOS shouldn't be on this list.
Sorry, I can't change the image right now.
Xclsd@reddit
that deepin is even on this list is sad
byten42@reddit (OP)
Why? I'm not a fan of Deepin, but at least it has its own DE, unlike many other distributions.
Xclsd@reddit
More like spyware
xoteonlinux@reddit
I think alpine Linux is so far up, because they count every container. Same with kali, every vm instance for testing purposes.
byten42@reddit (OP)
Google search has nothing to do with VM instances. Alpine is so high because it occupied its niche (OS for containers), like Kali (OS "for hackers") or Elementary (macOS-like).
feuerbiber@reddit
I miss Ultramarine Linux. Is it realy that unknown?
byten42@reddit (OP)
Ultramarine Linux should be somewhere around 92nd on this list.
zeka-iz-groba@reddit
Why is it interesting? There are other ~same useful ways to sort them. For example, alphabethically, or by the name lenght, or by creation date.
jugendforscht@reddit
Can I get a link to the source so that I can search through it?
Where is my $distro?
How are spins like archlinux-arm accounted for?
Plusdebeurre@reddit
Who the heck is using Oracle?
gosand@reddit
Enterprises
LocoCoyote@reddit
How is “Google trends” a valid metric?
Flash_Kat25@reddit
Still a better metric than distrowatch lol
LocoCoyote@reddit
In what ways?
Flash_Kat25@reddit
At a cursory glance, Ubuntu is #1 on Google trends but #6 on distro watch. Meanwhile MX Linux is 26 instead of #1. The google numbers seem much more realistic.
shirk-work@reddit
Its validity depends on what one is looking for. I'm seeing a bit of selection bias here. That is people interested in some distros search more and particularly on Google. That said it gives a picture of what people are at least aware of more so than what they are using.
No_Yogurtcloset_2792@reddit
I believe it counts the number of searches for every given distro, hence also the times there's a problem to be fixed, which might be a very common search and therefore not representative of the interest in that distro. I will stick to what distrowatch reports instead
shirk-work@reddit
Good point. A distro with many problems but only one user will still have few searches. I'm wondering how this is counted because the arch wiki is super useful regardless of distro choice.
leaflock7@reddit
it is a metric that a lot of people use.
whether or not is valid or good is a different story 😔
LocoCoyote@reddit
Fair enough
mrtruthiness@reddit
If it was based on search, I wonder why "Hannah Montana" Linux isn't there??? https://hannahmontana.sourceforge.net/
CannedDeath@reddit
Alpine is Linux but it's not GNU/Linux. It uses busybox instead of GNU coreutils and musl instead of the GNU C Library.
fury999io@reddit
Debian GNU/Hurd doesn't have linux either
GreenTang@reddit
Does Hurd have any sort of usecase?
GolemancerVekk@reddit
The original goal was to provide a completely FOSS stack as an alternative to proprietary UNIX systems.
This probably sheds some light on the tribulations that surrounded GNU's journey in search of a kernel to go with the GNU userland:
Source: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20050727225542530
Flash_Kat25@reddit
That's great but it doesn't answer the question haha. Maybe I'm just uninformed but I can't see anyone using Hurd as a daily driver over Linux or whatever the current *BSD is.
GolemancerVekk@reddit
Oh you can't, it was never finished. It's very hard work to maintain a working kernel anyway. So I guess the only value at this point is historical. But the GNU userland was critical for Linux adoption so ultimately the project accomplished its goal.
Bubbly-Ad-1427@reddit
muh fureedumbs
Bubbly-Ad-1427@reddit
(no update since 2016)
mistahspecs@reddit
I can't believe you're being downvoted lmao. The chart creator tried to be all pedantic and messed that up.
fury999io@reddit
Asking to mention GNU isn't pedantic since it has a larger end goal of making the masses aware of the software freedom ideas.
Saying just Linux drives the new people to the other side of the FOSS world where software freedom is treated as a secondary issue.
mistahspecs@reddit
It's inherently rooted in pedantry, even if that pedantry was accurate and spreads ideas and knowledge.
superfascistaweeb@reddit
"I use Linux as my operating system," I state proudly to the unkempt, bearded man. He swivels around in his desk chair with a devilish gleam in his eyes, ready to mansplain with extreme precision. "Actually", he says with a grin, "Linux is just the kernel. You use GNU+Linux!' I don't miss a beat and reply with a smirk, "I use Alpine, a distro that doesn't include the GNU coreutils, or any other GNU code. It's Linux, but it's not GNU+Linux."
The smile quickly drops from the man's face. His body begins convulsing and he foams at the mouth and drops to the floor with a sickly thud. As he writhes around he screams "I-IT WAS COMPILED WITH GCC! THAT MEANS IT'S STILL GNU!" Coolly, I reply "If windows was compiled with gcc, would that make it GNU?" I interrupt his response with "-and work is being made on the kernel to make it more compiler-agnostic. Even you were correct, you wont be for long."
With a sickly wheeze, the last of the man's life is ejected from his body. He lies on the floor, cold and limp. I've womansplained him to death.
TedETGbiz@reddit
"I've womansplained him to death."
That's a first for me ... and made me laugh. Are you always this entertaining ;-)
fury999io@reddit
Linux won't be alive without GPL
AdventurousLecture34@reddit
Kinda, but it's a joke, mate! Btw I respect and value what GNU and FSF stands for
PineconeNut@reddit
We all know Debian is the real Daddy.
Azureiya@reddit
Ah yes, Kali, the certified hackerman distro. Since it's based on a query, I think it's more of a case where people ask questions on how to operate it and why half their device (Wi-Fi, bluetooth, printer) doesn't work under it
Guy_Perish@reddit
The hacker roleplaying community is quite large.
EmuBrew@reddit
1%?????
You're overestimating my guy 🗿
Stanley9990@reddit
Kali gets a lot of hate because of a very vocal minority of Skiddies. It’s actually a very convenient platform for pentesting and security research, although I have since moved on.
Mindless-Opening-169@reddit
Suicide Linux didn't make the list?
Obviously this list was created by a noob.
prueba_hola@reddit
openSUSE deserve way more
hcet_sominu@reddit
Wanna be a hacker people
Btw I'm using OpenSUSE. Sad to see it's on 25th.
oldomelet@reddit
openSUSE is the best! We exist out there! There’s dozens of us!
githman@reddit
Google Trends statistics is based on search queries. So, the more often people type something like "how to fix XXX ?!!" the higher XXX ranks in Google Trends.
I do not see how else Kali would be so much higher than Fedora, for instance. Note that I no longer use Fedora and have never tried Kali. Still.
Nanomaron@reddit
It's still refreshing to see any other ranking besides Distrowatch, wich only lists Distros on how many times the Distro Site on Distrowatch got viewed.
sooroojdeen@reddit
Surprised pop isn’t more popular also kali and arch are not more used than pop or manjaro, these stats have more questions than answers.
Krunch007@reddit
I'm more surprised OpenSUSE is way down in 25th place, like wtf? That's a really good distro. I don't use it, but I imagined it would be much more popular.
witchhunter0@reddit
It is surprising.
Although maybe they are using Europeans search engines like qwant or swisscows /s
ravnmads@reddit
I think we should keep in mind what these stats are based upon. It's not people telling Google "Hey, I use Ubuntu". It's people searching for help. Makes sense that Ubuntu is on top - it's probably the entry point for most new Linux users. They need a lot of help.
Arch can be difficult and sometimes I just put in "Arch" in my search query for find good solutions from the Arch Wiki.
witchhunter0@reddit
Arch can be difficult also because it's users would search archwiki in a first place, or forums
AvalonWaveSoftware@reddit
Ubuntu and Debian are always the go-to recommendations. So noobs figuring it out. That tracks
Kali for budding cybersecurity students and professionals
CentOS for actually running server systems(since it's RHEL but free), I found that surprising kinda...
Arch because Arch users have to google how to use their computer, Also because the Arch wiki is generally an excellent resource. so that tracks.
Fedora is pretty popular...
domsch1988@reddit
It's not a "usage" stat. It's only how much the get searched for on google.
sooroojdeen@reddit
Yes i know
LongjumpingProfit925@reddit
so it probably correlates with curiosity or novel interests than usage
_DontYouLaugh@reddit
It's not a usage statistic, but I'm also convinced that Pop would be more popular, if they didn't choose such a terrible name.
Evol_Etah@reddit
It's Searching queries.
Usually in news articles or blogs, people write more about Kali and Arch. With Pop mentioned somewhere later.
More people are going to Search what is Kali and Arch. (Mostly cause of the symbols)
Rather than Pop. But they would end up installing Pop after some reading. Or... Ban Linux cause it's spyware propaganda like the shady website said that Kali and Arch can be used for HACKING. And hacking = stealing money as a harden theif. So....
Soul-Metamorphosis@reddit
Or Arch is just more googled because the wiki works for literally 90% of distros.
CatofladoReal@reddit
How tf MX Linux is so searched on distrowatch if no one search about it on google? Do most of them use duckduckgo? Haha
CatofladoReal@reddit
Saying every single ubuntu flavour is a distro seems so wrong
skyhi14@reddit
At least MX is nowhere on the top ¯\(ツ)/¯
thegreenman_sofla@reddit
Because it just works lol
_penseroso_@reddit
Oof ubuntu is was ahead. Especially if you add all the variants in.
MrGunny94@reddit
RHEL and SUSE are great for mission critical workloads in my experience.
For example SAP can only be run that way with it's database
lKrauzer@reddit
Does uBlue images come into the "Fedora" category?
arwinda@reddit
Where is Red Star OS? /s
Familiar_Ad_8919@reddit
we must beat rhel, a fucking enterprise distro
Strange-Bumblebee-78@reddit
My Red Star OS isnt there 😔
Shining_prox@reddit
Most impressive how many hits from raspi. It truly illustras how many are running one
Anonymity6584@reddit
Not all those are distributions, looks like few desktops sneaked in.
CadmiumC4@reddit
Where's openSUS
DicerosAK@reddit
Slackware forever!
jerseyhound@reddit
Isn't SmartOS Illumos?
vinayrajan@reddit
Rocky Linux is good in terms of compatibility with RHEL/CENT releases.
ben2talk@reddit
FYI:
This proves that people using Ubuntu and Debian use Google search, whilst Manjaro users are a little more likely to use a private search.
nossaquesapao@reddit
It actually shows which distros are more searched on google, and doesn't prove any of that.
ben2talk@reddit
My comment was a joke, much like the original pointless post.
nossaquesapao@reddit
Sorry, I'm terrible at getting jokes...
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