ULPT: Get a fake sober living house out of my neighborhood
Posted by n0epiphany@reddit | UnethicalLifeProTips | View on Reddit | 128 comments
A few years ago, an unknown buyer purchased a house in my neighborhood and flipped it from a single-family home to a 12+ person dwelling running an insurance scam, body brokering people from Oklahoma to California on a weekly basis. They say they’re a sober living house but they’re just cycling through people and milking as much as possible from the insurance companies. Nobody gets care. This is one of many homes in the area and it’s an absolute mess to be around. Ambulances get called on a weekly basis, people overdose on the street, they are constantly fighting on the sidewalk and make the whole area feel unsafe.
Every neighbor is fed up, though police can’t do much about it. It’s apathy at this point. Does anyone have any advice on steps I could take to get rid of this shady operation, or at least make their lives a little bit more difficult?
Here’s some additional reading if you’re interested:
https://wehotimes.com/a-west-hollywood-rehab-center-is-listed-in-aetna-lawsuit-alleging-fraud-and-exploitation/
GaltsGulch2025@reddit
I live in Oklahoma and these places have been on my radar for a while as many people have been “head hunted” from our community. I heard yesterday that the insurance companies are shutting this down and they are putting everyone living in the facilities on a plane back to whatever state they came from. Not verified yet, was searching Reddit to see if it is true. Anyone heard anything?
n0epiphany@reddit (OP)
that would be a damn dream come true.
GaltsGulch2025@reddit
Update, just heard they are telling Oklahoma people they have to vacate houses by tomorrow. Again, not verified.
n0epiphany@reddit (OP)
Moving trucks showed up tonight. They’re clearing the house.
GaltsGulch2025@reddit
Congratulations to you!! Sad news for me as it means my stepdaughters bio mom and her boyfriend are now headed back to town lol.
n0epiphany@reddit (OP)
Ahh shoot, that sucks! I assumed you were in CA.
GaltsGulch2025@reddit
Na, in Oklahoma. Those places have been on my the radar here for a while, also, for various reasons.
n0epiphany@reddit (OP)
I’m in South Central, no movement yet but I haven’t seen as many newcomers.
GaltsGulch2025@reddit
What I am hearing is coming out of the LA/Santa Monica area. I will update if I get any verification. Please update if you see a mass exodus of your neighbors lol.
filtersweep@reddit
I used to run a legitimate one, and having too many 911 calls was political poison.
Document times and dates you see emergency vehicles there, and claim it is a ‘disorderly house’ that should be shut down.
AdorableWarning98@reddit
Please help because they will use the phrase “compound” to justify shoving 12 people in a room
ManufacturerShot8757@reddit
I am in one of these houses and been a house manager and was let go cause they were not good at job and got me fired and jumped me to get at my now ex who is in program and it’s feeds drugs and all like it’s bad St.Elmo detox house on a. Hill steered a client got rib and jumped and women raped all 55 silver need to go
GaltsGulch2025@reddit
Can I send you a private message? I have a personal connection to someone who is in a 55 Silver and am looking to verify some information I received yesterday.
linderlouwho@reddit
Complain to what agency?
filtersweep@reddit
Everyone. City zoning. State or county licensing. Any agency paying bills. Police. Media.
BJntheRV@reddit
State and US Senators and representatives.
nderflow@reddit
Better Business Bureau, United Nations, International Atomic Energy Authority, Sheffield Football Club.
muffinmrdr@reddit
This is actually very effective.
Start small and then move up. City representatives, county representatives, whatever state reps are in the area or any that take a particular interest in that issue. Call the agencies that give aid to them.
When a senator calls a department and says do something about this, things happen. In some cases it pisses me off to no end, because someone who's buddies with a representative shouldn't be getting special favors.
But, you CAN call your representatives. I don't know if people know that. A lot of them have their numbers publicly listed. And they answer. At least mine do. You can email, send letters, call directly.
I'm sending a ton of crack house pictures to my aldermen right now because I am tired of these people.
Also call the state benefits offices and start telling them to investigate the claims from them. A common scam is to get them all on food stamps, then withhold the benefit from them.
Fat_Head_Carl@reddit
the best way to make sure this happens, is to make a fucking campaign contribution. It bothers me to no end, but it fucking works.
Suspicious_Hornet_77@reddit
I did that with a very active meth house in our neighborhood a while back. City and Muni representatives too.
One replied back I should invite them ( the armed drug dealers ) over for a BBQ and explain the situation.
Crickets from all the rest.
Fat_Head_Carl@reddit
The drug dealers must contribute more than you do to their campaigns.
MiataCory@reddit
Did you offer up the politician's address as the BBQ location?
KwordShmiff@reddit
So how was the cookout?
Marbla@reddit
This sounds like an Oxford House to me. I'm pretty sure you can call the local Oxford House people and they will often times just shut down a house.
n0epiphany@reddit (OP)
Neighbors doing this almost on a weekly basis. That’s good to hear!
filtersweep@reddit
Pro tip— we trained our staff to always call non-emergency numbers for police, to partially circumvent an easy tally of 911 calls— which is why observation— potentially supported by photos and videos will help.
cadff@reddit
I don't know about this city but in my city the sheriffs office handles dispatch for fire rescue as well. It's very easy for a FOIR to see how many times a call is generated wither it be emergency or non emergency calls for service.
cruzweb@reddit
There may be some sort of funding streams or other eligibility being tied directly to 911 calls
heinousanus11@reddit
What ended up happening? There is one near me and I don't know what to do.
n0epiphany@reddit (OP)
still in the works. Attacking it from all levels, community, organizing,mayor’s office, insurance fraud etc.
heinousanus11@reddit
Damn. Who has been most responsive? I’m my case most have ignored every letter and zoning is really sus.
n0epiphany@reddit (OP)
Nobody wants it.
Insurance will eventually kill it once they prove out the fraud, but it’s a civil court matter and not criminal.
SEC is aware because the company is publicly listed and misleading investors.
Mayors office sends a rep, but shutting this down would mean many new homeless which is not something that looks good for them so they turn a blind eye.
Cops - we have one officer “on our side”
Firefighters, ambulance are called every time there’s an issue.
I think we need to rebrand from “Sober House” to “Insurance Fraud” house.
Eventually the trash takes itself out they say…
jreckstein@reddit
Blink twice if this is graceland
WROL@reddit
Call the sober house as a potential client to find out which insurance they take. Then call the insurance company with your concerns
ajax_sosa@reddit
This. Get a few neighbors with phones, and take the names of all the largest insurance companies in the area. Call over the course of 3 or 4 days, trying each one. Once you do, take your gathered evidence to the Insurance companies. The house will be closed by the end of the week.
No_Independent_5009@reddit
Places like this give legitimate businesses like mine a terrible name. Houses run like this with insurance fraud are the reasons why it’s so hard for the legitimate business owner like me to even get the property insured. When insurance companies hear “sober living” nobody wants to write the policy or it’s ridiculously expensive. I’m a man of God who’s trying to do good for the community but these people with illegitimate businesses make it so hard for us.
Quirky-Extent7257@reddit
That is so simple but so brilliant
calefactorynorma@reddit
Almost guaranteed they’re billing government insurance programs (most likely Medicaid). Probably won’t result in a speedy resolution, but worth at least reporting to the U.S. Dept. of Health and Human Services Office of the Inspector General. https://oig.hhs.gov/FRAUD/REPORT-FRAUD/INDEX.ASP
jupitaur9@reddit
OP says they’re shipping them into California from Oklahoma, which probably makes identifying someone who can do something pretty difficult.
Sometimes contacting the local DA with a boatload of evidence is effective. Show them an easy win.
Suitable-Review3478@reddit
And that means it's across state lines, so doesn't that make it federal?
jupitaur9@reddit
Very possible. Could it be trafficking?
WROL@reddit
That’s another great idea, the US govt does not fuck around when it comes to fraud. Especially poor people committing fraud
Routine_Drink7471@reddit
I know someone in the state who investigates those. Send me message I will pass their information to you.
No-Condition5351@reddit
My daughter and 4 other Oklahoma residents were flown to Califirnia (Northridge to be exact) and were all placed in different drug rehabs. The patient broker named Gwen lied to all of them about what to expect. And has blocked me. 3 different rehabs took these people in. I am trying to stop this! I have tried to report this fraud and no one will listen. Gwen recruits 20-30 Oklahomans a year and then repeats the cycle. It's possible that some of these people could be part of the problem in your area. Help me, help you get this stopped.
Small-Track-2887@reddit
Hey OP - did you ever make progress? Our neighbors are a sober living/transitional housing. After an incident when one of their residents stole a package from our doorstep (caught them on video via ring doorbell), we wanted to notify the owner. We looked up the business LLC and it the filing agent is the person listed from the link you posted. We are in San Diego and we also want them gone, lol.
n0epiphany@reddit (OP)
No, but it seems the insurance companies are onto them. It’ll probably take years for anything to materialize… sadly no politician, council person, etc. wants to take responsibility for something like this that will lead to people being homeless. Not good for votes.
The cops and ambulance are still here a few times a month for mental health or ODs. Hope the trash takes itself out.
weedingthrough@reddit
Better yet: RENT a house for a few months, move a bunch of people in calling it a "sober living home", transport those people daily to outpatient programs run by yourself or your friends (collect this instead of rent from your 'sober' residents), never change the utilities from the home owner's name to your business, DESTROY the house by having WAY TOO MANY people in a single-family home, and after this cohort has finished their three-month "program", stop paying rent but don't tell your newly sober people. Let them find out when the eviction notice is posted on the front door, THEN when they relapse from the stress of being newly sober AND homeless, offer them a spot at your (or your friends) new detox. If you're lucky, the landlord won't even notice you missed rent for a couple of months and people are far too trusting so it isn't like they'll actually look to see if you're a serial rental ghoster.
Or you could partner with a developer that is taking advantage of California's new law where single-family homes can become multi-family homes -- tearing down 2-3 bedroom houses and turning them into multi-unit "houses" or condos, rent from them, actually PAY the rent, and house 30+ people and call it a compound - a sober living compound.
Get in some really "good" clients willing to relapse multiple times and you can keep collecting "rent" via the treatment program payments instead of ever actually trying to collect from the sober living home clients you've gathered from across the country. In fact, those people you bought policies for in Oklahoma and Alaska, send them back home as employees in your "outreach" program and have them convince all of their friends and family to move to California and go through the same program (because human trafficking isn't THAT BAD).
When someone does OD on the premises, start a GoFundMe for their family and make sure all the staff donate so the company at least gives the appearance of caring.
Some clients may not want to relapse for money, so those you keep in your compound and make them compound managers (eventually they will be sent out as outreach). However, you still need to keep collecting insurance money, so keep them in an outpatient program but they can JUST do the online program where they log-in to Zoom meetings with about 100+ people and bill that as IOP.
If you can't find enough "clients" to fill the 16 bed rentals, HIRE your newly sober people as "staff", and call the compound a hotel.
And no matter what -- they are CLIENTS or STAFF (or both), never PATIENTS.
Mlfkitty@reddit
This is so specific to this program lmao I’ve been moved around this program to 4 different houses in Orange County and the “house managers” were so fucking disrespectful to the homes, that weren’t even getting paid for.
weedingthrough@reddit
I hope you're safe and no longer in one of their houses. (which ones were you in...or has the program already been evicted? lol)
There are countless programs like this one. It makes me so sad. Especially when the "clients" have no idea they are complicit in illegal activities. Some of these program participants sound like cult members when they talk about them.
The way they send people back home for "outreach" reminds me so much of mid-level marketing, it would not surprise if there was a pyramid scheme underlying all this fraud.
IcyCoat9618@reddit
u/n0epiphany Any updates? If there is more than 6 people living in this facility they need a zoning approval.. did they get that?
n0epiphany@reddit (OP)
Definitely not. It's been reported and inspectors have been sent, but the dwellers won't let anyone enter. Which means LA City has toothless enforcement over stuff like this.
Cops and ambulances show up every week and most of the time someone leaves on a stretcher or OD's on the sidewalk. Still, no path forward.
We are seeing that more insurance companies have filed civil suits against the owners after millions of dollars of fraud, so that will probably be what eventually shuts them down but it will take time.
Only thing you can do is apply pressure from all angles... zoning, inspectors, police, council, etc. and keep pushing. It's a shame to see this level of body brokering.
ComprehensiveRent541@reddit
This place is patient brokering, look that up and the rehab riviera series done by The Orange County Register. The owner Nathan young goes by Pablo is human trafficking kids from Oklahoma mainly and harming these people. Along with his underlings. Call Department of Healthcare Services, FBI for everything that’s nefarious. Squeaky wheel gets the oil first. This is a known situation been reported but those who struggle with addiction, aren’t believed and end up offed under the lie they overdosed but in reality this POS hotshot them! Please be brave and safe these poor people. They need a voice!
ObjectSmall@reddit
Friends of ours in LA had luck getting a really troublesome drug and weapon using neighbor out by suing the owner (the dude's mom, who had hope she could just dump him there and forget about it) for creating a nuisance in the neighborhood and lowering property values, if you want to go the NIMBY route (which many redditors consider unethical, so it fits).
Emotional-You9053@reddit
A lot of private equity money in this sector. Sometimes it’s insurance that pay,but a lot of times it private pay. I paid $70 k for a 30 day stay. PTSD related therapy. Semi-private room in a large house in a very exclusive area. Singles were $105k. It helped.
nuwm@reddit
I live in a large house in an exclusive area. Next time hmu, stay here, for a mere 1k per day I’ll have a therapist come in to see ya.
Emotional-You9053@reddit
You wouldn’t say that if you met some of the other clients.
nuwm@reddit
I’ll put that one in the basement.
Emotional-You9053@reddit
To give you an idea of the sort of place this was. They have a nutritionist and a chef prepare meals on site. It’s like eating in a Michelin star restaurant with slightly wacky people. You can also bring in your own snacks. Everything is inspected for contraband.
nuwm@reddit
I’m pretty sure I could do all that under 1k a day lol.
ShitTitsMcgeee@reddit
That is fucking insane dude, $70k for 30 fucking days….????
Holy fucking shit I’m in the wrong business
Sea_Mirror_1955@reddit
Ive seen $120k per month from insurance, like they actually paid that amount IRL for substance abuse rehab
Emotional-You9053@reddit
Sometimes, you have to do what you have to do.
rustys_shackled_ford@reddit
Open your own half way house with hookers and booze...
the_popes_fapkin@reddit
Report to insurance companies. They hate spending money on things
Frosty_Bluebird_2707@reddit
Sounds like some of the for profit “mental health” homes.
cnccryptotrashball@reddit
Buy spiders online and release them in the yard. No one likes spiders
xendrik_rising@reddit
I know about this place, they came to my community in Alaska recruiting people to come there. I work for a substance use treatment non-profit and have had clients that had previously been with them. They're absolutely a scam, defrauding medicaid for services never rendered and providing the bare minimum to clients. As someone who works for a legit organization helping people get clean, this shit pisses me off to no end.
instantdislike@reddit
I believe John Oliver did a whole episode about how rehab tax laws are abused for profit
Particularly predatory in florida
tayloline29@reddit
Oh this explains how Scientology is allowed to run to a state funded "rehab" center in Florida and judges assign non Scientologist to attend rehab there.
Fearless-Werewolf-30@reddit
NA is literally a Scientologist org
turdFRGSN@reddit
NA is an offshoot of AA. Narconon is the one that’s part of Scientology
Fearless-Werewolf-30@reddit
Does NA not literally stand for NarcAnon?
LordAskta@reddit
Brain = dead 😂
Fearless-Werewolf-30@reddit
Just never realized the difference, pull the life support plug I guess lol
averagenutjob@reddit
No, it stands for Narcotics Anonymous. Completely different.
ilovegreenthecolor@reddit
I'd focus on the Christian ones before the scientologists lol
tayloline29@reddit
For real, for real. You aren't wrong.
linniex@reddit
First two days I was in rehab in NJ years ago they kept talking about shipping me to Florida when I first got there. I wound up losing my $hit on them about it and next thing I knew I was put on some sort of med to keep me calmed down. While I was in rehab. I can see how many people just go with the program. In retrospect the first two or three meetings seemed to be about how you should consider uprooting everything and moving 1200 miles away…..
_the_CacKaLacKy_Kid_@reddit
The whole history of drug rehab is pretty interesting. Reveal News did a really good investigative series on the subject.
fuckthisshitimdoneee@reddit
Orange County, CA is another hotspot. I went to rehab there during early covid and oh boy it was an experience. Luckily mine was fairly legit, but there were times that being paid 5k to sit around and do drugs sounded like a pretty good deal
Steve__evetS@reddit
Water mails probably by the street, close off the regulator and clip the stem off, or same goes for manual valve. Salt the landscape and complain to hoa if applicable. Diy thermite through anything utility based. Muraitic acid water mixture to degrade the asphalt around the home. Cell phone jammer hooked up to a solar panel them camouflaged. Banana in the tailpipe?
Fluffy_Technician670@reddit
You couldnt be more wrong you scum bag, real humans need the help offered by these places without stuck snots like you pissing yourselfs.
Thetruebananagod@reddit
A U-Haul filled with fertilizer would work pretty well I think.
BubbaMonsterOP@reddit
Letters to your city council person.
Sea_Mirror_1955@reddit
Most of the houses are located in bad areas so maybe move
ProfessorOnEdge@reddit
Who can afford to move in this economy?
Excellent-Sweet1838@reddit
Buy weapons -- you specifically want ghost gun kits.
Buy a jumpsuit, put a name-patch on it, and show up with a large tool box. You're from the property manager and need to look at the AC.
Come in, look at vents, open them, etc . Hide the weapon(s) when no one is looking. Clean the AC filter before you leave. It'll feel like you did something, most likely, so you'll just be that dude who fixed the AC.
Now complain to the police about the arms deals that happen at night. The residents won't know anything of course, but you can point to one of the hiding spots and tell the police you've seen them getting weapons out from behind their AC unit.
Now the people running the house are under investigation, but the authorities won't tell them what for. Et Voila, chaos.
AnyAssumption4707@reddit
I am assuming you mean health insurance? If they are shuttling drunks/druggies thru, there’s a good chance the residents are on state/federal insurance so you could try to report the house for fraud, waste, and abuse of government programs.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Report+Medicare+fraud+waste+and+abuse&client=safari&sca_esv=595213416&channel=iphone_bm&sxsrf=AM9HkKnyGTfsk9nt9BsfNijNM3AaG_qU4Q%3A1704238485917&ei=lZ2UZYDXN-3AkPIPocuP2Ac&oq=Report+Medicare+fraud+waste+and+abuse&gs_lp=EhNtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1zZXJwIiVSZXBvcnQgTWVkaWNhcmUgZnJhdWQgd2FzdGUgYW5kIGFidXNlMgUQIRigATIGEAAYFhgeMgYQABgWGB4yCxAAGIAEGIoFGIYDMgsQABiABBiKBRiGAzIFECEYqwIyBRAhGKsCSJk8UO0eWMYzcAN4AZABApgBhQGgAegGqgEDMi42uAEDyAEA-AEBqAIPwgIKEAAYRxjWBBiwA8ICDRAAGIAEGIoFGEMYsAPCAhYQLhiABBiKBRhDGNQCGMgDGLAD2AEBwgIWEC4YQxjUAhiABBiKBRjIAxiwA9gBAcICDRAjGIAEGIoFGOoCGCfCAgcQIxjqAhgnwgITEC4YgAQYigUYxwEY0QMY6gIYJ8ICCxAAGIAEGIoFGLEDwgIOEAAYgAQYigUYsQMYgwHCAggQABiABBixA8ICBRAAGIAEwgIIEC4YgAQYsQPCAggQABiABBiiBOIDBBgAIEGIBgGQBg-6BgQIARgI&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-serp
Dasrule@reddit
Get one of those keys, shut their water off and fill in the hole with quick dry cement. May throw some scrap metal in as you pour the cement in.
Pandajesus1126@reddit
I mean… if you really want to be unethical about it and you have the cash, get yourself a heck of a lot of illegal drugs of your choosing, and plant them somewhere at the house, and alert the authorities. Don’t leave any finger prints or anything though. The more you plant, the more likely you are to get them out of there. You could probably even plant lots of little stashes if you’re sneaky, and when they get the dogs over there they’d just keep finding more. Though I suppose you’d want to be sure the dogs don’t find you for transporting them.
Pavswede@reddit
Weapons would be even better
Dragonr0se@reddit
Why not both?
NoCarpenter8194@reddit
Get out of California it’s only ever going to get worse.
DetroitHyena@reddit
These scumbags are equally as evil as drug dealers themselves. Profiting off suffering and pain.
Quirky-Guess5757@reddit
All these “Sober living” places and “rehabs” only care about 1 thing and that’s $$$ they could care less about ur recovery they could care less with proving mental health help they just care about the money bunch of hypocrites 🤷🏻♀️
diablodeldragoon@reddit
Fire. Lightning strikes are the weirdest thing.
Endmedic@reddit
Report to FBI. They took down a bunch of these scams in FL several years ago.
Balloonknotzi@reddit
You could burn the place down. Gasoline and a mask. Lot of nest cameras on neighbors houses so plan accordingly.
EmmaWoodsy@reddit
And by "plan accordingly" you mean let the neighbors know to turn their cameras off. They'll be all for it.
Bushpylot@reddit
These things are all over the place. They need regulations for them
necrobombicon@reddit
Sounds like you have an unlimited supply of customers for your new drug dealing service. Infiltrate the place and set up shop.... Profit. For added fun get everyone's names, and find out who they usually buy from so when you get caught you have some information to leverage a lowered sentence. Or, become an informant and work both sides of the table.
OXBDNE7331@reddit
No need, in situations like these they have staff members provide the drugs so they can get the “patients” to relapse and cycle back in and charge their insurance again. This is a whole thing. They pay other addicts act as “body brokers” or “head hunters” to recruit their addict friends (that have insurance) to cycle through. Common scam in Florida and California. I was an addict for years and one of my dealers also “head hunted” it’s mega fucked
necrobombicon@reddit
Wow! That is mega fucked, and somehow not surprising.
UnprovenMortality@reddit
I've seen too many ethical LPTs here lately. I salute you.
necrobombicon@reddit
Right?! I felt obligated to break the cycle.
atom644@reddit
Guy ate his wheaties this morning
10sPlaya@reddit
Just FYI, it's also a tax/hoa exemption...
1GrouchyCat@reddit
Licensing and Certification - Complaints
“If a sober living facility is providing 24-hour non-medical, residential, alcoholism or drug abuse recovery or treatment services to adults then it must obtain a valid license from DHCS.”
https://www.dhcs.ca.gov/individuals/Pages/Sud-Complaints.aspx#:~:text=If%20a%20sober%20living%20facility%20is%20providing%2024%2Dhour%20non,a%20valid%20license%20from%20DHCS.
Also report any habitation issues to your county dept of public health - and report suspected fraud to Medical (for those with dual insurance coverage).
kastro152@reddit
I'd like to now know how to open my own sober living house and do this.. that's the REAL unethical pro tip here.. who can break that down for me?
Remarkable_Luck8057@reddit
To be honest this sounds like every sober living house ive ever been in or visited as a sponsor. Sounds like business as usual. I had 3 roommates die of overdose in 6 months.
Its sad, but a lot of these peipke are court ordered and the court officials get kickbacks. There is probably nothing you can do to he honest but i woukd still try if i was you
vaniIIagoriIIa@reddit
In my experience, sober living houses don't provide care. It's a place for these people to live in a semi nanny-state.
Peace_and_Harmony_@reddit
Isn't a "nanny-state" a state that provides care?
vaniIIagoriIIa@reddit
No, surveillance
ShitTitsMcgeee@reddit
Lmfao what’s with the dudes with the super white ass names using fake Mexican ass sounding names?
Nathan young/ Pablo Sanchez?
I wonder if he uses a fake accent too
mango_whirlwind@reddit
Brown face. like Robert Francis O'Rourke aka "Beto"
_the_CacKaLacKy_Kid_@reddit
“My name is Jeff”
MiataCory@reddit
So call the insurance companies and let them know of the fraud. Shouldn't take too much effort, just give BCBS the address and it'll be blacklisted across the board.
ZagiFlyer@reddit
We had this happen too -- to the house next door. We did a little research and found they were licensed for up to six girls at a time, but there were 10 girls living there. So we called the state and they actually yanked the license (or something) because they shut down (or moved) the whole operation within a month.
So check to see if they are housing too many people in the spaces.
Marbla@reddit
That sounds like an Oxford House. They have very little oversight and are run by the folks who live there. They probably added the beds to lower the rent. It's sad.
Marbla@reddit
This sounds like an Oxford House to me. Which is legitimately a sober living house.
The problem with Oxford Homes, however, is that there is very little oversight as each home is ran by the folks who live in them. So each Oxford Home is different. Some are ran beautifully and are very supportive of the sobriety of the residents. But in my experience most of the men's Oxford places are run poorly (at least where I live).
Oxford also doesn't actually offer care to anyone. It's just a place where you're supposed to be able to live with other sober people. Some of the homes have rules to how many meetings you need to go to a week. But the one I was in didn't.
I moved into one and had to leave after five days. I ran into a guy that I was living there with me a few months later and he told me that someone OD after I left and another guy straight up killed himself.
If anyone reading this is looking for a sober living situation or knows someone who is, I recommend finding places with much more structure and oversight.
I live in Louisville and in hindsight a place like The Talbot House would have been much, much better than Oxford. Here's their mission statement:
Fragraham@reddit
Lots of people shooting fireworks this time of year. Shame if something caught fire...
MrTorben@reddit
if your state has a hotline to report insurance fraud, that might be a good idea while you come up with your unethical plan
FarImplement7125@reddit
Fraud divisions in insurance companies generally take this very seriously and work closely with the FBI in these situations. It is very bad for business, increases rates, etc. it is mind boggling when you see the amount of money that is fraudulently billed.
bitchslap2012@reddit
If Aetna has paid these guys $40 MILLION dollars over the years, I’m quitting my job and opening a halfway house.
For the ULPT- if you are EXTREMELY careful, arson could work, but you run the risk of the owner just getting a big insurance payout and rebuilding … sounds like the Aetna is going to sue these people out of existence though
welchplug@reddit
Sounds like the lawsuit will take care of it. Insurance companies don't fuck around.
Jeebus_crisps@reddit
This. I’ve had my insurance company call me one time about medication fraud from a prescription they pre authorized.
UnprovenMortality@reddit
I'm guessing it already smells, but have you tried piss disks?
maybeCheri@reddit
Not sure about unethical but report the place to the attorney general’s office.