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Business Internet plans are a rip off

Posted by CrestronwithTechron@reddit | sysadmin | View on Reddit | 144 comments

$200 for 100/10 That is all.

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Brightlio@reddit

We are a connectivity broker. If you are based in a city in the US, that is not a reasonable price. Are you located in a rural area? Starlink was mentioned as an option. You may also be able to leverage 4G/5G or fixed wireless. Depending on your location, you can get a 5G SIM from AT&T or T-Mobile for around $50 monthly. If you send me your address, I can see if there are options that provide you more bandwidth for less money. Best of luck in your search!
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uptimefordays@reddit

Business lines in the US have bandwidth minimums and SLAs consumer/residential don’t.
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Phate1989@reddit

Ok, but my residential ISP has been way more stable and reliable then at least a few of my clients business lines. I'm not sure that's actually the answer, I think they charge more because it's harder to deal with individual companies each trying to negotiate a deal and want static IP's, vs consumer, which is go to the site and select subscribe and you get no options.
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uptimefordays@reddit

I mean your experience is anecdotal right? If you look at the ToS or research differences between residential and commercial internet service, there’s clear differentiation. Whether or not that’s worth the price for you/your customers is another matter, but it’s not the same service.
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Phate1989@reddit

Sure, but does that actually matter? I have never put in an SLA claim before. The SLA is only as strong as it's enforcement mechanism, and if the penalty for 24 hours of downtime is 10% credit on the month, and most people won't even bother. Making the SLA useless garbage
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uptimefordays@reddit

It depends on your carrier, location, and setup, right? If you have redundant ISPs, maybe you don’t care about a 4hr SLA. If you’re in a major city and have redundant ISPs and your own dark fiber, you may not have even considered your ISP’s SLAs. If you’re a smaller suburban business with a lot of overhead or underground cabling far from your ISPs nearest offices, a robust and demonstrated SLA will probably save you a lot of angst. It’s a question of how much downtime costs, how frequently service is interrupted, and how much you value being able to point fingers and collect penalty payments for SLA breaches.
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Phate1989@reddit

This conversation does not apply to metro areas I don't think, there are so many options there. It's a problem in rural areas where options are limited, am I going to pay $1200/month for business class SLA or $100 for residential if I can get it, and deal with the risk. For the most part I can get 2 residential lines for less money then a single business line, and I have less risk. Yea, my performance is not guaranteed, but in 99% of cases the performance on residential ISP is just fine.
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uptimefordays@reddit

Hence I say, “it depends!” If downtime means “we’re losing $30k an hour in revenue” you should probably spend $2400/mo for an SLA, if downtime means “my users have to watch YouTube on their phones and we make $3.5k no $3.9k an hour,” still hard not to justify guaranteed bandwidth/throughput, but more understandable.
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Phate1989@reddit

But your paying for an SLA that is meaningless. There is no actual guarantee your ISP will be anymore stable. Your trusting that the ISP is actually doing something different for business clients besides charging them more.
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uptimefordays@reddit

Generally speaking, ISP SLAs for business customers guarantee certain bandwidth requirements, response times, and mean you’ll get LTE for temporary service while they work on restoring service. If it doesn’t mean anything for your business service, your ISP not business service in general, are the issue right?
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Phate1989@reddit

I have no issue. Again I think your giving way too much faith into those SLA's. They don't actually guarantee anything besides that you CAN get a credit for downtime, I often find actually getting credits from SLA terms difficult and time consuming. Never once have I seen a carrier fail over to LTE unless LTE was already included.
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uptimefordays@reddit

I’ve gotten ISP techs to branch offices within 4 hours, I’ve not gotten similar results with home service. Obviously, again, mileage will vary.
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Floresian-Rimor@reddit

Hehe, try doing this in Africa! We always have 2 local connections, we try for 200/200 but often top out at 100/100 and a satellite 70/50. For 500 people. And lets not talk about uptime…
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BigChubs1@reddit

Oh my God my friend. That is rough.
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Floresian-Rimor@reddit

Rough is when the government turns off the 4g and internet due to civil unrest. That’s when you really find out if your backup systems work.
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aes_gcm@reddit

Can you get Starlink service?
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Floresian-Rimor@reddit

We’re one of two hospital ships doing free surgeries in africa. It’s kinda fun when we go to a new country because most of the companies we deal with aren’t used to someone wanting a fiber line run through the industrial dock space and 150 sim cards and 10 4g routers and if you can’t get the fiber through to the dock, can you setup a microwave point to point. Our support centre is in texas, so at 2pm (Sierra Leone) and 4pm (South Africa - Madagascar next month) if we lose a connection the internet tank when everyone gets on a teams call. What’s the latency like on Starlink compared to a standard sat connection? Ses is a great company but the connection is a bit pants for livesteaming.
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Many-Ad9766@reddit

I'd be curious on how such a large system works. Do you use all those for mesh or something or are the 150 sim cards + 10 4g routers by themselves connecting to somewhere?
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Floresian-Rimor@reddit

Sorry no. All of the sims are used as individuals in phones. The 4g routers are for the teams who don’t live on the ship, nurses that go to screen patients, teaching teams, our outpatient extension…. There are some questions about using wifi meshes in places like the dockside where we setup tents as offices for rehab and preoperative and others. IP goes through the 3 connections above but as a ship we have several layers of satelite comms. As AV tech this isn’t really my area but I also double up as boots on ground for the bigger IT team.
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Root1Am@reddit

Mercy Ships?
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Floresian-Rimor@reddit

Yep!
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Root1Am@reddit

I know a couple of people that work there. When I read your post, I knew instantly where this was. I was given a tour of home campus in April 2016, neat place to work for a great cause.
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Floresian-Rimor@reddit

Nice! Sending dm.
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GourmetSaint@reddit

Starlink latency is about a tenth of geostationary satelite services due to their satellites being in a very low earth orbit. Sun 30ms?
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Floresian-Rimor@reddit

Nice! It would be good to see the pricing structure for that at some point but fortunately I’m not involved in those descisions.
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Root1Am@reddit

Mercy Ships?
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alzee76@reddit

You know there's more to it than just the bandwidth or you wouldn't be looking at business internet in the first place, right?
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CrestronwithTechron@reddit (OP)

Still. A SLA that only kicks in after 3 hours of outage time? That’s pretty terrible.
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sexybobo@reddit

Your comparing it to a home connection though. We had a fiber cut with AT&T the connection is \~$1500 for 500/500 connection but they had people in a ditch patching fiber with in 2 hours of us reporting the outage. We also have a few really small location with 2-4 employees where we had "home" internet one of the locations was down for 4 days before a tech showed up. Ended up being down for almost two weeks. So a 3 hours SLA to it being down for weeks seems like a good value.
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n0rdic@reddit

I used to work NOC for a company, and quickly discovered that depending on the region your expensive "enterprise" internet you pay $2500 a month for only gets you a high tier account manager to commiserate with while their dispatch team sits on their ass and takes two weeks to resolve the simple coax cut. That said, depending on the location you probably can't even get a home internet connection at your site (most office parks just don't offer it), so the entire convo is kinda moot.
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Patient-Tech@reddit

It would probably have been cheaper and more economical to just have two residential connections from different providers at that location. Heck, even if the backup was only a 50mb/s connection, you could have slogged through it until the main connection was back up.
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sexybobo@reddit

At our small location with residential connections the employees have company cellphones so if the internet connection goes out they can just hop on their hot spots. Our larger offices all have redundant business grade internet connections.
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SAugsburger@reddit

This. A lot of residential circuits you better hope that any issues are part of a larger outage otherwise you're likely going to be waiting for days for a tech to go out nevermind actual resolution. Standards for residential techs are quite a bit lower than business as well.
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kdavis37@reddit

..does it? You can pay for 3 separate fiber gigabit plans for $250 and the odds of all of them going down for days is likely much lower than a business plan that costs 6x as much as the total
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under_psychoanalyzer@reddit

Yea I HAD to select Comcast business for... Reasons. They offered us their own backup and I was like the fuck I want your backup for if your main line isn't working? Thing is I don't think they would have actually given us home internet because we were in a commercial address. If you can get away with getting residential Internet and you aren't in bumfuck, you should just pay for that and get two different providers with one as a back up. If you live where there's only one provider then you kinda have to pay for business just so you can have the satisfaction of bitching first in line when they go down.
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kdavis37@reddit

That's fair on all points. My experience is that USUALLY, the biggest reason to have business Internet is because it's called "business" and suits think that means it's better. It's rarely better.
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WayneH_nz@reddit

But, to save the money, those three connections are going through the same pipe into your building, from the same roadside cabinet that got taken out by the car doing 120kmp/h
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kdavis37@reddit

Not my experience. Ours come in from different streets entirely. The two are set to round-robin if there's an issue, with a hot cloud backup if anything goes sideways on-prem. It's almost never worth paying for business rates unless you REALLY have to.
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arpan3t@reddit

How tf are you getting static IPs with home internet? Who’s your ISP?
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kdavis37@reddit

AT&T. $15 per month for 7 real static IPs, $30 for 13. Now, it's a pain in the ASS to order, because none of the tier 1 sales people knows what you're talking about. Once you get someone who does, though, good to go. Gigabit up, gigabit down. Under $110 per month, total.
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WayneH_nz@reddit

You are lucky, but we are also subsidised by the government so of course lowest price job. Up until the middle of 2025 any home or business that has roadside Fibre can get it installed up to 200m for free.
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Patient-Tech@reddit

Well, if your business has a hole in the wall / missing wall there's likely more important things for you to be doing at that location at that moment rather than checking emails. The redundancy is the more likely possibility that the miles of connection wiring back to the CO has a problem/issue/maintenance downtime vs the statistical lighting strike at the building taking both out. If you're running something that critical you should have it in datacenters with fault tolerance.
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Affectionate-Cat-975@reddit

This. Had inherited XO and Verizon service in mid-town Manhattan. When Verizon cut through their lines, we learned that XO had subbed out the last mile. Site was down for almost a week while they patched the lines. Always get a diverse pathway to your site
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MedicatedLiver@reddit

Same here. They had a component out on one of the pedestals fail. It got roasted, electrically and they didn't have a part available. It took hours, but they ended up finding one three hours away, and dispatched another tech from halfway across the state to pull it out of service, and transfer it to our location. Did it suck being out for 6hours? Yep. But in comparison.....
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W3asl3y@reddit

To be fair, 100/10 is cable and 20/20 is likely fiber. Setup and maintenance is a lot more expensive on one of these two
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MedicatedLiver@reddit

No. 20Mbit. Not Gb... And it's aggregated copper. Yay rural networking.
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W3asl3y@reddit

That’s the first time I’ve seen a symmetric copper at any speed.
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skipv5@reddit

Comcast has been offering symmetrical Internet for 2 months https://corporate.comcast.com/press/releases/comcast-multi-gig-symmetrical-speeds-world-first-docsis-4-deployment
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MedicatedLiver@reddit

Dedicated leased line. It's .... Unique.
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faceerase@reddit

Back in the day during a storm the power cables on the pole dropped on to the phone cabling. The wiring for our T1 was all burned out all the way to the ground clamp in our DMARC closet. We had huge AT&T trucks in our parking lot working on running cables for 2 days... but finally got us up and rolling. Definitely business level SLA as well.
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ooblongtea@reddit

We had a cut a few years ago. Received a call at 6am, they had it fixed by 11am. This was ATT. I had the pleasure of dealing with Frontier once, I'd sooner resort to dialup rather than deal with those morons again. Fun time was they were digging near one of their own lines and cut it.
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Holmesless@reddit

And thats a saved story.
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Turdulator@reddit

It’s also consistent bandwidth…. With business internet you pay for 100/10 and you actually get 100/10…. Consumer internet is “up to” 100, which means in reality you average somewhere between 50 and 75.
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xylopyrography@reddit

A residential connection restored in 3 hours would be a miracle. That's what you're paying for.
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red_dog007@reddit

My neighbor cut his fiber line while digging. He kept on digging and within 30 minutes a tech showed up and repaired the line. Likely wouldn't have happened in the middle of the night, but waited for morning. But it did happen. We both were just like "wow, this is crazy".
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xylopyrography@reddit

That's insane. When something like that happens I'm surprised if it even gets fixed that day.
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Pelatov@reddit

This. I’ve worked from home for 10 years now. 1 year in to it I got a business line for the SLA. I have a 4 hour SLA, but man, when they cut the fiber trunk and everyone else was down for 5 days, I had a tech onsite in 2.5 hours and they put in a temporary LTE modem/router to keep me going, no charge to me.
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heymrdjcw@reddit

That was my experience. Grain hauling semi went off the road and took out a power pole, and the fiber it was carrying. In just under two hours, they were at my house and putting in an LTE setup to run for the next few days while they did repairs. My neighbors that just subscribe to the residential plan had no internet for those days.
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Pelatov@reddit

Yeah. For those complaining a out 3/4 hour SLA’s, they are phenomenal. And you aren’t gonna see better unless you’re in an office building with 1000’s of users or working in a datacenter. I which most cases you have 2 or 3 independent ISPs and when one goes down you flip a switch over to the other. Getting a business line was one of the best decisions I ever made. Plus I’m on a different cable trunk, so I don’t suffer the residential speed slow downs that my neighbors do
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SirGidrev@reddit

Outage at 11pm. On call tech gets notified. On call tech lives 45min plus has to get ready. It takes time to come fix the problem. It isn’t like we sit around your building and can jump on it in 5 min. Also, say you were down for 1 day out of a year, your uptime is still 99.931%
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PolicyArtistic8545@reddit

99.762% but close enough.
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alzee76@reddit

Don't disagree, but he didn't mention the SLA or anything else in the OP, just the bandwidth which is priced to market.
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racermd@reddit

I paid out of pocket for a business plan a while back because I was doing a lot of on-call and WFH. With that, I got much better QoS and had a more steady connection at all hours of the day. I pulled back to residential service and I notice a lot of lag during “peak” hours. Nothing that affects typical residential activities like streaming videos and most gaming. So, yeah, it is more than just an SLA. That said, it costs them literally nothing to flip that QoS switch. And that’s without getting more balanced upstream bandwidth which a business customer is going to want. It’s WAY overpriced for what you get.
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alzee76@reddit

> That said, it costs them literally nothing to flip that QoS switch. It costs them capacity as, if they turn it on for everyone, then it benefits no one. It "costs them literally nothing" to let your CM negotiate a 500/500 connection either, rather than this 100/10, but that's only if you're only considering the literal cost in dollars to log in to the system and change a number.
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racermd@reddit

With regards to QoS specifically, you're right - enabling the higher priority queue for everyone, it's useless. So there's a (perceived) value to the customer for getting that and, so, the provider charges for the privilege of having that enabled. As I said before, residential customers don't really need this. Charging those that really need it makes sense to discourage EVERYONE from getting it. It costs nothing for the provider to do so, however. Free money to them. Yes, bandwidth is a different beast. But it's the same infrastructure as the residential customers and is already in place. Business customers don't get shunted off to a "better" network (unless you count the QoS settings I mentioned above that will prioritize traffic during periods of heavy congestion). The speed tiers aren't even different between residential and business customers, only the cost. You're swimming in the same pool as everyone else. You just to wear a fancy QoS suit while doing it so you don't have to get out of the pool when everyone wants in at the same time. So what's left to account for the huge jump in price? The precious SLA for outages? If you have to be down a minimum of 3 or 4 hours before that clause kicks in, what value is it to you as a customer? Speaking of value, the speed tiers are heavily tilted towards residential usage patterns. The downstream/upstream ratios are insane - anywhere from 10/1 to 35/1. Businesses will have a different usage pattern and often use a lot more upstream (from the perspective of that business) than down as they work to provide network services to their employees and/or customers. Any company with 2 or more locations using VPN tunnels between them will absolutely want symmetric speeds else the slowest upstream connection is the weak link in the chain. What good is a 1200Mb/s downstream connection when your partner site is limited to only 35Mb/s upstream?! (Comcast's 1200/35 plan, here) Business plans on cable internet infrastructure have a limited, niche audience and the price seems to reflect that. The prices are ridiculous for anyone other than a full-time WFH user that may or may not have their internet paid for by their employer. Regular residential customers can get 95% or more of their needs met with the residential plans. Actual businesses are better served with symmetric plans usually offered by fiber providers.
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alzee76@reddit

> So what's left to account for the huge jump in price? The precious SLA for outages? If you have to be down a minimum of 3 or 4 hours before that clause kicks in, what value is it to you as a customer? Business accounts from residential providers typically give you several benefits. 1. QoS 1. SLA 1. Phone service. 1. Several email addresses. You might not want them, but they are included anyway as a value-ad. 1. Static IPs. 1. An account rep. This is more important than all of the above combined, when you're on what is still essentially a residential circuit. This type of service is not just bandwidth with an SLA, it's more like that plus an MSP-lite account. > The prices are ridiculous for anyone other than a full-time WFH user that may or may not have their internet paid for by their employer. I am a full-time WFH contractor who pays for his own internet as a business expense and even I do not believe a business account like this is worth it. I have a normal residential line. In the 12 or so years since I transitioned from an in-office employee to being a "small business owner", I have never once even considered getting any sort of "business" circuit. I'm not promoting these business plans at all. I just can't stand it when people completely misrepresent the facts just to make their criticisms sound more valid. There are enough valid criticisms, or there aren't.
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CaptainWilder@reddit

I used to agree about the account rep thing until I actually started talking to business fiber account reps regularly. I've spoken to account reps now on a regular basis from 6 different ISPs and every single one of them takes days or weeks to get ahold of, and don't give a fuck about anything. One of them the situation was there was a fiber cut that hadn't been addressed in 3 weeks, and his answer was well you guys have multiple ISPs so we can be down and it doesn't affect you. Then later in the conversation he said "well maybe if you were better at your job you could keep our mutual client happy" basically saying it was my job as the IT guy to keep his ISP customer quiet
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racermd@reddit

>I just can't stand it when people completely misrepresent the facts just to make their criticisms sound more valid. There are enough valid criticisms, or there aren't. I'm not misrepresenting anything. We agree on a lot of points. As noted, I was even a Business Class customer of Comcast for a while. A long-time friend worked there as a QA agent for the installation team for 3 years. I've been an IT worker my entire 30 year career, a Systems Admin for the last 15, and have done more than my fair share of Network Admin work because there either was no NetAdmin, the NetAdmin needed a ton of help, or just didn't know what I needed as a SysAdmin. I know what I was offered, what I received, and a lot of the technical back-end stuff that goes on. You can look at a Business Class account as an "MSP Lite" product but I'd say that's more of a misrepresentation. You're getting an internet connection with a few extras not offered on residential accounts. They don't (or shouldn't be) assist(ing) with any other part of your internal network. You're right about a few things - I forgot about the static IPs. But, again, it's a zero-cost item to the provider that they're charging extra for. They have the IP scope already, they can easily set up every residential customer with a single static address. Fine, yes, pay extra for more than 1 (helpful when setting up multiple services and/or ARRP). But a single static address on the business account should not be a justification for charging more. Email addresses - I can get multiple email addresses on my residential account right now. ...if I wanted them. Who uses their internet provider's email accounts, anymore?! With the advent of GMail and other free (or freemium) hosted email options NOT tied to your internet provider, there is zero reason to do this, particularly as a business customer would likely already be hosting their email somewhere else with their own domain, anyway. Again, this isn't a reason to charge business accounts more. Phone Service - you can get DTMF phone service on residential just as you can with a business account. The offerings might differ due to the target audience (or it might be the same across the board), but the business class accounts do not offer phone service as a standard, included item. It's ALWAYS extra, either as an ala carte add-on or as part of a bundle. Again, not a reason to charge more for core internet connectivity. Account reps - You MIGHT get better service from a dedicated business-class team of support reps. But, as a Comcast Business customer, I certainly didn't. The staff may or may not be paid better but, at the prices I was paying per month, I should have received better service than what I got when I did ultimately need to call for anything (mostly area-wide outages). But I'll concede the point that a dedicated support staff for business customers costs extra, whether or not they're actually better than the residential staffers. As for SLAs - You're still dealing with the same infrastructure as every other residential customer. The same outage affecting them will affect you. The only time this would give you an actual advantage is if the issue is your local drop or your rented equipment. Then they'll put you in line with the other business customers ahead of any residential customers. Ideally, this is never the case. Your drop should be pretty well shielded from issues - either in a proper DMARC or buried/hung outside your home. Unless someone is digging trenches or swinging cranes on your property, that should be safe for a good long time. Wildlife notwithstanding. And the equipment should be good for multiple years, as well. The technology is no different than residential equipment. So the higher priority on potential truck rolls and the risk of the provider from having to pay out after X hours of outage to a business customer might be SOME justification for a higher price but certainly not at the rates they charge.
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alzee76@reddit

> I'm not misrepresenting anything The OP did.
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quentech@reddit

> Business customers don't get shunted off to a "better" network (unless you count the QoS settings I mentioned above that will prioritize traffic during periods of heavy congestion). The speed tiers aren't even different between residential and business customers, only the cost. There are different types of "business" lines, and that is only true of some (the cheapest) of them. I have a direct ethernet connection on a private, unshared fiber line - and I can get up to 40Gbps. Might even be 100Gbps now, haven't checked in a while and it was supposed to be coming.
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RepresentativeDog697@reddit

Unless you have a DIA connection, your connection will not differ from a residential one.
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Patient-Tech@reddit

Depends. Sometimes places like Comcast dictate 'Business class' service based on address. Obviously they're not stringing a dedicated line out to the address and there's still oversubscription at the node. If we're taking a legit dedicated circuit, that price isn't bad. But I doubt it.
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aeroverra@reddit

Honestly depending on the company it would almost just be better to get a starlink backup in place of an sla. Only problem is most isps won't allow you to use anything but the business plan if your zoned for business.
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WayneH_nz@reddit

Yes. Starlink now have semi-business plans, at least here in nz. (US$100 is approx NZ$160. What I pay for my residential connection (270mb down 60 upmb up) unlimited data, in the middle of nowhere NZ. But for NZ$240 we can get a static ip with port forwarding and 40gb traffic through per month. Vpn etc is fully available if needed.
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HeihachiHibachi@reddit

Yup, that's part of the frustrations of the OP too I suspect, being forced to pay for business internet without even having the option of getting residential Internet at half the price for 20x the speed and performance.
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patg84@reddit

Hopefully you don't mean 10mbps/10mbps. If so where in the Wild fucking West is this shit hole plan?
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CrestronwithTechron@reddit (OP)

Rural Central Florida
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patg84@reddit

Jeez you'd think in the middle of the desert it'd be like this, not in Florida.
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CaptainWilder@reddit

Allegedly, the reason business fiber is so much more expensive is the entire path of the fiber line from ISP to the customer is DIA (Direct Internet Access), meaning that at no point in the fiber are multiple customers sharing the same fiber, whereas with the residential fiber it is DWDM (Dense Wavelength Division Multiplexing). There is a similar difference with coax internet in business/enterprise vs residential. Allegedly the SLA, uptime and truck rolls are better with the business stuff. That being said, I have residential fiber 1000/1000, with 2ms ping to my companies datacenter. $70/month. Last truck roll i had was there in 2 hours. One of our clients is a block further away, fiber 100/100. $2000/month. 12ms ping to the same datacenter. A recent truck roll took 7 hours to arrive. I somehow still see much shittier service with the business class.
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bjc1960@reddit

$800+ for 100/100 fiber
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quentech@reddit

$850 for 1G DIA fiber here.
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Ok_Negotiation3024@reddit

Ten years ago I paid $25 a month for 100/100 residential fiber in Korea. Then come back to the USA and pay $70 a month for 30/3. Such a rip off here in the US.
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jbglol@reddit

I pay $60 a month for 1g fiber in the US. Sounds like you live somewhere shitty and decide to blame the country for it
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Ok_Negotiation3024@reddit

According to Google the average internet speed in 2013 was 31 Mbps down. So 1g for $60 a month back then is amazing! You were lucky. In the city I lived in when I came back they didn't offer anywhere near that. 30/3 was the best I could get. Now I'm living in a small town. I wouldn't go back to a city for anything. I currently pay $70 for 300/12. Fiber is rolling out here in the country, just slowly. And it isn't being rolled out by any big players, the larger companies are content to keep the old infrastructure and keep jacking prices up. So yes, seeing 100/100 in 2012 was amazing to me. Especially for $25. The US was so far behind at the time for internet, even in the cities.
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jbglol@reddit

Cool, it’s completely area dependent, so saying an entire country is behind is just flat out pointless. And using averages doesn’t work when that’s including the thousands of rural areas in the US that drag our speeds down. We have literally 100 times the land mass.
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CAP_NET_ADMIN@reddit

If you don't have special requirements, I tend to prefer two separate consumer connections and set up failover on our network infrastructure.
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Infinite-Stress2508@reddit

We pay for business connections at our head office (where our data centre is located), 2 x 1000/1000 high cos connections, 1 hr sla, and a 100/100 and 5g link for backup. Each connection is about a grand per month plus the extra for faster support. At our site offices, it's residential internet all the way, 2 connections, ideally fibre or copper, plus 4g redundant link into our sdwan routers. We have all sites (25) this setup and cost is about equal to our head office. If head office were to go down, current estimates are $100k loss per hour down so the costs for stability and sla are well worth it.
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mrcluelessness@reddit

Try $1.5 mil/month for symmetric gigabit. $3 mil/month when moved to 2 gigabit on a 3 year contract. Granted, this was commercial internet for a government org overseas, so personnel can call home and have downtime. So there is a lot of overhead and red tape. Still though...
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SalletFriend@reddit

Its not about speed its about service. I used to get so many people screaming at me, because they ran their business off of a residential connection. "Youre costing my business money" sorry but your failure to plan is costing you money lmao.
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Silent_Dildo@reddit

Heh. Travel out of the country and see how much international data plans are!
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SleepingProcess@reddit

Some places are really in trouble unfortunately. I know one business that paying $70 for 3Mbit DSL (and that place doesn't have any better plans) while just 10 miles away one can get symmetrical, unlimited business fiber 1G/1G for $160/month
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Network-iQ@reddit

I have Comcast Business in my home - as I run an MSP and need fast and reliable connectivity. I am getting 300/50 for $129 per month including 3 phone lines. In 15 years I have never had more than 15 minutes of downtime. No rate limiting during peak hours, etc.
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identicalBadger@reddit

I switched from home to business internet, my costs went down, got a static IP and my upload speed increased. Been happy with that change
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Zer0p0int_@reddit

I have AT&T business fiber at home with a bunch of static IP’s (/27). 500Mb up and down. $180 a month. I’m happy with it.
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LivingTheRealWorld@reddit

I just got quoted 550/mo for 100/100 with static and dedicated fiber
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GLARiven@reddit

I got quoted €3500 per month for 10gbit symmetrical A year later (now) my (consumer) ISP started offering 8gbit symmetrical for €85 per month. I don’t think SLA is worth that much.
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pbrutsche@reddit

I'm going to hazard a guess that a business being down for a week will cost FAR FAR more than 3500 euro, just in lost revenue.
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LivingTheRealWorld@reddit

This is an additional secondary redundant service for me - it is all underground and actually comes from a different direction into our facility. I’m going to look at adding an additional cellular backup as well. Like you said - I cannot afford to be out of service at any price.
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GLARiven@reddit

Fair enough, for me I just wanted something faster than 1gbit symmetrical as that was the max for a while.
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Marty_McFlay@reddit

OP has crestron in their username...there aren't a lot of things that could give me lower confidence in someone's networking expertise than that, having had to set up two sites with crestron lighting solutions. Unless they're just trolling in which case they're succeeding.
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CrestronwithTechron@reddit (OP)

100% for the laughs. Its why I put Techron as in the stuff in Chevron gas lol
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Edexote@reddit

Not much of a sysadmin if you think you're only paying for bandwidth.
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kasualtiess@reddit

You pay for the service not the speed. with ATT we would get a tech on site in usually under an hour, you wont ever get that with home internet. Yes the pricing is crazy but its worth it when you have problems. Also the modems seem to be more reliable (in the cases where we used them)
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TheMerovingian@reddit

Try $600 for 10/10 fiber. It's all about dedicated bandwidth (no or less overprovisioning), no data caps, and uptime.
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nshire@reddit

And yet my residential connection has had higher bandwidth with effectively no overprovisioning, data caps, and higher uptime than my work connection
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TheMerovingian@reddit

Years ago, I had a similar situation but I found out Comcast didn't like it when I started transferring backups from work to home over my internet connection. No complaints at work, but at home 250 GB in a few days was causing warnings. So maybe there's more to it. The bandwidth you have is definitely overprovisioned, sometimes 100 to 1. I notice that every day on my mobile connection.
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nshire@reddit

What exactly do you notice when it comes to overprovisioning? I have never had a speed test result under 500/500
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TheMerovingian@reddit

I'm on 5G mobile in a rural area. Before 8 AM I reach over 100 Mbit, in the evening less than 20, consistently. I. E. Netflix time.
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nshire@reddit

Well yeah, that's mobile broadband. I'm talking about fiber.
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Buddypepper@reddit

It’s a complete rip off - cheaper solution is dual isp home grade fiber. Super fast symmetrical speed with redundancy, still about half price.
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encryptedhashes@reddit

Check your bandwidth/speed/jitter every 10 minutes. It will fluctuate on a residential line significantly. In business, not so much. Most business plans will also give you 1 or more dedicated IPs. Also, you’re allowed to host websites and much more from a business class address. 100000 hits a day to a webpage? No problem. To a home IP? They might ask questions or break TOS.
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SigmaStroud@reddit

I never understood that. Can anyone literally explain the difference between residential and business internet? My home verizon network, for 1000/1000 at $80/month has had more uptime than any verizon business internet that I've seen. Their response and level of customer service seems absolutely the same ("We're rebooting your ONT and that will fix it!"). I'm genuinely curious what the differences are...
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CrestronwithTechron@reddit (OP)

It’s supposed to have a SLA and a static IP. Still not sure it’s worth the prices they’re charging though.
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SigmaStroud@reddit

Personally, I've seen pretty terrible SLAs from most major providers in my area, to the point where they might as well be residential class response times... And not every business-class ISP provides a static IP. At least most of them you have to pay extra for that service, on top of the increased rate in the first place. But yea, the difference between $80/month to $500+/month just for a slightly better SLA is pretty absurd.
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srbmfodder@reddit

200 dollars a month for a business to be on the internet? Kid, you need to look at what bandwidth cost 10 and 20 years ago. If your business can't handle 200 bucks, which is about \~$15 a day, you have issues. My last shop had a 10Mbps synchronous connection until 2016, when we finally got AT&T fiber. This was a 200 million dollar company at the time. GTFO
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CrestronwithTechron@reddit (OP)

I’m not saying they can’t afford it, 10/10 is a terrible value for $200 though.
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srbmfodder@reddit

Well that’s wrong as everyone pointed out to you already in terms of SLA and required maintenance/uptime. Frankly, it’s an amount of money that is insignificant.
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ArsenalITTwo@reddit

That isn't even symmetrical. Does it come with a SLA that pays you back credits when someone eventually backhoes into it?
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sexybobo@reddit

Its not odd for an area to only have cable internet. Lots of people use asymmetrical connections when the only other option is to give AT&T several hundred thousands of dollars to trench fiber from the next city over
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InstAndControl@reddit

From the next CITY over? Wouldn’t that be like millions?
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PatHeist@reddit

Yes. Sure would've been nice if the ISPs used the hundreds of billions they were given to upgrade national infrastructure to actually do so.
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gravityVT@reddit

It could be cheaper to have a dual wan router with a second connection for redundancy. Cable for speed and maybe DSL for reliability. Maybe not the best option though, just an idea
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CrestronwithTechron@reddit (OP)

It does, but it’s gotta be out for at least 3 hours before that kicks in.
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AntonOlsen@reddit

When my residential line was cut it took 3 days before they could get a tech to my place.
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MaxBroome@reddit

3 hours?! My Google Fiber residential internet pays us back for the amount of time it’s down. So after matainence periods I’ll get like 2¢ back in credit for the ~15 minutes it was down at 1am. All that for 1Gb symmetrical at $70/mo.
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versello@reddit

From my experience SLAs backed up with compensation are never close to the loss of revenues my business incurs from an outage. Best to invest in disparate services providers if that is an option.
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Professional-Bug2305@reddit

They definetly don't have better support, sla, dedicated bandwidth, static IPs or anything else meaningful like that. Try getting centurylink out within a week at home, I've almost never had to wait more than 24 hrs for lumen (enterprise branch of centurylink, since you seem clueless)
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ChiefBroady@reddit

I have Comcast business as I work 100% remote, it’s 500/100 and includes cellular backup for 230$/month. That’s somewhat reasonable i thought.
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Bogus1989@reddit

Yeah a 4 hour sla is normal… So get another ISP to hook up a backup line
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WordFantastic@reddit

If you think that's a lot look at the prices for leased lines
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audaxyl@reddit

But you get a static IP
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Afraid-Ad8986@reddit

We have two 1GB fiber connections. $1500 each a month. And a cellular backup for those two. If all of that goes out we still have a direct iNet fiber connection we can turn internet for. Really sucks if our internet goes out. Internet is pretty cheap these days comparable to some of the redundancy we paid for 20 years ago.
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msalerno1965@reddit

Would you rather have a 384Kbps Frame-Relay carried on T1, which required an obligatory $800 surcharge for the NYNEX/PSC tariffs for the T1 itself, while an ISDN PRI (on a T1) to Worldcom didnt? Kids these days... ;) /s Like others have stated, there is a different level of expectation with "business" class Internet. "Enterprise" level is ... astronomical. But you can bet that every bit you push over it is special to whoever is carrying it. Certain SOHO style business offerings exist, like Verizon FIOS or Optimum/Altice, that go over the same equipment as residential, and yet, I get much better service if something goes wrong. And static IPs. Let's not forget the static IPs. With a unique IP address, one of 4.2 billion, you are in a smaller population than the entire world population that is cresting at 8 billion. All those DHCP'ers out there can suck eggs. Happy New Year!
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ItsHATTM@reddit

or is consumer internet more affordable?
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wanfiber@reddit

It really sucks when you start paying $600/mo for 50M DIA.. If you’re overpaying or need a secondary (Fiber, Coax, 4G, 5G, Fixed Wireless) then shoot me a message and I’ll quote you some actual numbers (within a few minutes most of the time). There’s so many folks that end up buying a circuit from a carrier that buys it from another carrier and adds 25-50% to the bill. Hint: Local ISP’s usually have way better support compared to all the big carriers
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tallejos0012@reddit

[https://ziplyfiber.com/](https://ziplyfiber.com/) ahem
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Cl3v3landStmr@reddit

Seems like it's only available in four states (WA, OR, MT, and ID).
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tallejos0012@reddit

loot at there infra [https://www.as20055.net/?page\_id=19](https://www.as20055.net/?page_id=19) ​ https://preview.redd.it/k52of3w8mo9c1.png?width=945&format=png&auto=webp&s=c01e8958b72c81da8971aabadd3950fed399f6a3
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ambscout@reddit

Our Spectrum Enterprise rep gave us the wrong price and then came back asking for $50 more. This is after a whole round of billing issues where they broke the contract in 2 separate places and would not let us out...
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en-rob-deraj@reddit

Our local isp is 150 for 500/500.
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MeleeIkon@reddit

Ouch. In a datacenter I pay like $300 for 1Gbps/1Gbps SLA'd fiber with a /29. I pay $800 for 10Gbps/10Gbps in the DC. To my building I pay like $1300 for 1Gbps/1Gbps for SLA'd fiber but I have backup Verizon FIOS lines that are both 1gig symmetrical (non-sla, no BGP, so pretty much useless except backup) I pay like $150/month for those I think. Total bill is like $400? But I have larger IP-blocks. 2x /27 blocks (no BGP support). Comcast sucks gangrenous donkey testies, I think I have like 250/25 for more than I pay Verizon FIOS.
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maxlan@reddit

They do the same for mobile contracts. Buy it as an individual £10/month. Or as a business £20+VAT. Can't even use the excuses about SLA etc.
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Cautious-Concept457@reddit

Freshly developed optical network in the EU, 250/70 Mbps+TV+phone for about $20/mo at home, business plans cost about twice as much, 2 Gbps is available but I don't download large files.
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cjcox4@reddit

I agree. Promises much, but delivers next to nothing. Overpriced... just because. Part of me thinks it might be "cool" to see a future devoid of the Internet. We might get along better with one another.
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