What platforms do Americans use to find jobs abroad?
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What websites have you used to land a job outside of the US?
Where and how do most Americans find jobs that doesn’t involve teaching English?
I recently graduated college with a bachelor’s in Industrial Engineering. My first choice is some where in Europe, but I’m open to all continents, regions, and countries.
Ok-Consequence-941@reddit
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No_East_3366@reddit
The easiest way is to start working for a US multinational firm that will be willing to transfer you to another country. That's how people typically move around countries.
deVliegendeTexan@reddit
Getting internal international transfers is a very long game and a pretty long shot. I do know a lot of people over here on these assignments, but it’s never just rank and file employees, especially for long term postings. You have to have a lot of seniority, or have an incredibly niche skillset.
When I was at Apple, you had to have 5+ years with the company and be in a fairly senior career step. When I was at Disney, they gave us a list of insane requirements and then told us not to even bother applying because they got something like 1000 internal applications for every posting so your chances were basically nil.
No_East_3366@reddit
Not really I've met a few American grads working in London and Hong Kong for American banks or a big 4. It's relatively easy to transfer. And viceversa, NYC is filled with young grads of European banks and Big 4 firms.
deVliegendeTexan@reddit
The big 4 accounting firms are probably the main exception when it comes to seniority … but it’s still an enormous numbers game with them. A relative of mine works for EY, she says they love to move junior staff around, but the number of positions vs the applications they get, the odds are very much against any one person.
No_East_3366@reddit
They are not an exception at all. All large banks move staff of all levels of seniority all around the globe. American banks (JPM, Citi, ML, GS, etc) sending people out and other international banks bringing people in (Santander, HSBC, BNP Paribas, SMBC, etc). Same with tech: Google, Meta, Microsoft, Amazon transfer staff in and out all the time. And these are two industries where I have personally met people transferring. It's not an exception at all.
deVliegendeTexan@reddit
I’m in tech. We definitely transfer people all the time. I didn’t say these places don’t do it. I said it’s a difficult numbers game, and many industries reserve these opportunities for more senior staff.
I have a metric fuck ton of colleagues at AWS for instance, and I know many people who’ve transferred internationally with them. But I also know that nearly all of those people were somewhat senior, with at least ~5 years of experience, and most of them were not accepted on their first, second, or even third applications for international transfer.
You’re seeing all the people who have successfully transferred and that’s cool. It happens! But it’s selection bias. You’re not considering all the multitudes of people behind them who failed to be transferred. At some of these huge companies, especially, the odds are very very poor for any one person to bank on this as an opportunity vector.
My first attempt at relocation was trying the internal transfer route at a major Fortune 500. I was lucky that the company allowed fairly junior people to transfer … but that just made the numbers game worse. There’d be 100 opportunities a year, and they’d get 2500 applications. I applied every year for 4 years, I got executive sponsorship for my application, and I only even got an interview once.
No_East_3366@reddit
It also took me few attempts to move out, twice. Nothing is easy. But back to the OP's question, what will land you a job overseas quicker: the transfer, the applying from my county to a firm overseas or the C'est la vie (flying out, stay as a tourist and hope to find a job). Still think the transfer is the "easier" of the three. Even 5 years of experience is nothing compared to our working lifes of ~40 years.
I'm conscious too of the bias. Also I only know the corporate world, there are other ways of moving overseas via academia, teaching etc.
deVliegendeTexan@reddit
I’m a hiring manager and I relocate people both internally and externally, I’ve done this job in the US and in Europe. People into and out of the US, Ireland, the UK, DACH, Benelux, and India. I had several attempts to relocate (both through internal and external opportunities) though my 20s and 30s, as well, before finally succeeding by finding a new job externally. I’ve done it for startups, scale ups, and multiple Fortune 500s.
Across many hundreds of people I’ve helped relocate over all these years, plus my own experience, plus my network of fellow expats across multiple industries … I’m going to hard disagree.
No_East_3366@reddit
Whatever the OP chooses, I hope it doesn't take them their 20s and 30s to relocate.
Also, "many hundreds of people"... I don't know, Rick.
Happy New Year.
deVliegendeTexan@reddit
Some people are old and have been doing this for a very long time. I don’t sit and count the number of people I’ve relocated like it’s a scoreboard. But there have been years where we’ve hired 1500 people and relocated 300, 400 of them. Over time, that adds up mate. I’ve been at this long enough that I’m sometimes working on the third or fourth generation of our relocation policies and procedures.
Because like … when this is what you do for a living, that’s just what you do. Every day.
I’m working for a somewhat smaller company right now, and even so I have about 7 people I’m actively relocating right now. One who just arrived in the Netherlands, several I’m bringing to Germany, one to Ireland, and I’ve got two people I’m relocating domestically inside the US.
There’s people who literally do this for their jobs. And you happened to trip over one of them here in this thread.
ams-deadhead@reddit
How do I find somebody that can help me relocate? I'm a seasoned senior branch office administrator. I've been in my company for 19 years. I have a bachelor's degree in Business administration currently working on my series 7 being sponsored by my current company but I don't really care to use that particularly or stick around for it I want out of here as soon as possible I own a home and I can sell that off and walk away with 500 Grand. I want to bring my daughter she's 24.
deVliegendeTexan@reddit
At 24, your daughter will have to qualify for a residence permit on her own merits unless she’s physically and financially dependent on you (think situations like severe disability).
At the end of the day, you need a job that will sponsor you, and right now the job market in most industries is hot garbage even if you’re not relocating.
The first thing to do is find out what countries are in need of your skill set so much that they’d even allow you to be sponsored. Some countries have specific skill lists that can and can’t be sponsored. Some have functional requirements for your job type - you might bureaucratically qualify to come to the Netherlands for instance, but it might be that you legitimately can’t do the job without native level Dutch.
DifferentWindow1436@reddit
Agree it is a long game without guarantees but also is a great gig. Disagree on seniority. It likely varies by company and timing and specific needs.
Popular-Mall4836@reddit
Did anyone actually provide a site for international jobs?
i-slm@reddit (OP)
Someone mentioned a site called Seek for finding a job in Australia and New Zealand. But that’s the only website I see anyone has mentioned.
Empty-Wash-2404@reddit
Did you have any luck finding a job abroad?
Aerodrive160@reddit
Everyone provided their thoughts, opinions and experiences but did not answer the basic question
SiebenSevenVier@reddit
Hi. I moved to Germany many years ago and while it was easy for me because I married a German, I did end up hiring many people from all over the world while i was there.
A couple of thoughts. First, yes, getting a visa can be a pain, but it's far from an insurmountable problem. Especially with a degree in industrial engineering. So don't be discouraged by that. Large companies can and do hire recent graduates that they deem 'high potential '.
Second, consider the language. If you target, say, France and you don't speak French, that's a real issue. If you speak a second language spoken in Europe, prioritize that country.
Regarding websites, as lame as it is, LinkedIn is indeed the main platform to look for jobs. I believe Xing is also fairly relevant in Europe, albeit much smaller. Don't rely on cold applications: network like a maniac. Talk to people in companies that interest you. Ask for mentorship. Schedule zoom calls.
Finally, you may want to consider a couple of years of experience here before going abroad. Ideally working for a reputable company. That's bound to make you a more attractive hire in a multitude of countries in which a degree and experience in the US are looked positively on.
Best of luck!
ontothemystic@reddit
Hi, I'm late to this thread. Are you still around and willing to answer questions?
SiebenSevenVier@reddit
Hey. You bet. Feel free to dm me.
Commercial_Good_3205@reddit
Hey, are you still looking for someone to do the job?
ontothemystic@reddit
Sent, thank you!
Mental-throway000000@reddit
Hi, American here moving to Germany (German fiancé). Any advice on job hunting? Seems like all jobs I bump into require C2 German!
SiebenSevenVier@reddit
It's not super-useful, I'm afraid, but: focus on international companies that operate in English, turn your CV into a Zeugnis, and study German as if it was your job. The latter is the key point, as it's going to unlock the entire labor market eventually.
Best of luck!
lunabrain@reddit
bumping after re-elected the orange man
SinsOfThePast03@reddit
We've been trying to explore leaving. I can easily work remotely anywhere but my concern is how to get a visa to stay anywhere for more than a 1-2 years
KoreZone@reddit
What do you do where you can work remotely anywhere? And how do I also do it lol
SinsOfThePast03@reddit
IT project and product manager . 25 years experience in all facets of IT from development, database administration, systems administration and leadership roles. Moved back into an individual contributor role to give me more time with my family and allow flexibility.
TXBoyRooks@reddit
Plenty of companies have VISA's just for digital nomads and remote workers. Like Portugal. No need for shady and costly visa runs.
Legitimate_Shift1041@reddit
Yeah this sounds very vague even for IT people
SinsOfThePast03@reddit
Yeah I'm aware of Portugal and several others. Unfortunately my wife works in a field that requires her to be able to speak the local language so that makes it much more difficult.
Illustrious_Buy_9326@reddit
Hi 17 year old here planning for the future. May I ask what job you fulfill and what education/ experience requirements have allowed you to pursue it remotely?
SinsOfThePast03@reddit
I work in IT. Have held many roles from development, systems and database administration as well as 10 years in IT management . Over the last 5 years I transitioned back to an individual contributor role as a project manager/scrum master and agile coach, to allow me better work life balance to spend more time with my kids (12, 10, 2 and 1) .
As far as education, I have a bachelors of business administration in management information systems as well as an MBA. I also have my PMP, PMI-ACP, CSM and CPO certifications .
Needjustice4rheather@reddit
There are apparently some countries that allow a person to leave for a week or two, then re-apply for a visa. That could be an option ? Also trying to find a way to get out of here.
peachykeendream12@reddit
My friend did this on a fulbright in Laos, would leave and go to Thailand to re-enter
WallabyAware5341@reddit
Here after the BBB passed today
TyDerp710@reddit
Not even 2 hours later I'm looking for jobs in other countries... this place is cooked
Disastrous_Turnover8@reddit
Same.
TheFlyingHambone@reddit
on a lighter note, cool actually witnessing america turned into a meme nation.
rugbycircus@reddit
How is any of this cool?
TheFlyingHambone@reddit
it's not. i'm play the dog on fire "this is fine" meme.
youraveragebrowngal@reddit
haha frrrr
Curious-Tonight3591@reddit
I love that we found the same board
Specicide89@reddit
We all just tryin to gtfo asap eh?
Megatronyourmom@reddit
so real for this
MrJim911@reddit
I kept my US job (software company) and switched from W2 to 1099. They don't care where I live. And they don't adjust my pay based on my location, so best of both worlds. I'm lucky.
No-Blueberry2895@reddit
Old thread...but are you at all concerned with job security? Did u research how easy/hard it would be to find another?
MrJim911@reddit
If I were to lose my job it's almost assured I'd have to move back to the US. There's no way I could find a job in Portugal that would allow me to meet the minimum income requirement for my visa. Do they exist? Sure. Could I, a non-citizen that doesn't speak Portuguese, get one? Probably not.
When I made the decision to move here I did think about how crap-tastic it would be to lose my job. But I couldn't let that possibility guide my decision. That's like saying I should never drive a car because I MIGHT get into an accident.
I'll deal with problems when they arise. I won't let their unknown likelihood dictate my decisions.
Available_Raisin_113@reddit
what part of Portugal? I’m a remote worker but haven’t asked my employer if they would be okay with me going to Spain, or Portugal. I speak Portuguese. Any remote helpdesk role you know of? :)
MrJim911@reddit
I decided on Braga after doing a lot of research. It doesn't hurt to have the conversation with your employer. If you're not the first remote worker it shouldn't be a big deal. You could be a contractor, or they could go the EOR route.
Sure_Sky568@reddit
Curious about your experience. Which visa did you apply for to live in Portugal?
MrJim911@reddit
I applied under the D7, but the D8 was completed during the process and I was ultimately approved under that one as I work remotely and do not have passive income. It was a fairly smooth process for me personally.
Although my 2 year renewal comes up in July and I'm not looking forward to dealing with AIMA on that. Hopefully I can just do it online.
TheFlyingHambone@reddit
I've lived in 5 states for better paying jobs over the last decade. It feels as you describe. Just wish for the best and treat people with the energy you'd like to see back.
No-Blueberry2895@reddit
Cool thx for reply. I was thinking of looking overseas for my next job which seems like a crapshoot....and limiting to English speaking countries. So finding a company that would let me work anywhere seems doable.
Primary_Pay_6307@reddit
what company do you work for? I'm trying to do this
Liwanderer@reddit
Lucky. My job won’t let me relocate to even though I’m a remote employee. I cannot find an international job board that doesn’t require paid subscription.
keltchercomma@reddit
I’m dealing with the same. I’m not allowed to work outside of the US with my current position, even though I am a remote worker. So that’s why I’m here. Trying to figure out the job part is my biggest challenge. And I speak French, and have been learning Italian for the past 4.5 years.
itsall_dumb@reddit
Are you an engineer?
MrJim911@reddit
Negative. It's more content design. I work on front end content of our software. I'm involved in the backend to a limited extent.
itsall_dumb@reddit
I see. Do you work US hours? Or you work EU hours with few meetings?
MrJim911@reddit
I work US east coast hours; 13:30-2200 locally. Which is fine as I prefer to stay up late anyway.
itsall_dumb@reddit
Wild. I’m a software PM and I could probably get my company to let me work in the EU but I am customer facing and wouldn’t want to work EST hours long term.
MrJim911@reddit
You should definitely have the conversation with them. Even being customer facing there are ways to work with the adjusted hours.
itsall_dumb@reddit
Yeah I will, I just have hella meetings at all times throughout the day.
Silver_Tart_9138@reddit
LinkedIn still works, but I’d also look at remote-first job boards. Some recruiters specialize in cross-border placements. We’ve hired US expats that way who wanted flexibility and async culture.
Old_Maize_7668@reddit
Real quick but I’m a Chef and I want to cook overseas. Where do I go and how can I apply. Thanks
Unusual-Sky-8869@reddit
George?
aholt1999@reddit
Wha
Duochan_Maxwell@reddit
Before firing on all cylinders, make sure you know which kinds of visa you'll be eligible for and that you have professional proficiency in at least one other European language
As a recent grad, presumably with no significant work experience, you will need to prove yourself to be WAY above average in attractiveness to get a company to hire you from abroad - showing that you know how to do basic due diligence and knowing at least two languages will just barely put you at the same footing as local candidates
I do recommend that you check r/IWantOut which is more geared to people who want to emmigrated and have no idea how to start
Dakohder@reddit
I made a post there because of your recommendation, detailing that I have no idea how to start and got mostly hate and downvotes lol
Duochan_Maxwell@reddit
Have you read the sidebar and the articles already pinned? That's for every sub not just that one LOL
Dakohder@reddit
You literally said it’s place for people who “have no idea to start”. I just thought it was funny lol
Duochan_Maxwell@reddit
Yes, and I also said "do basic due diligence"
Dakohder@reddit
As it pertains to the recruiters from other countries, not with the seeking help on getting started on said due diligence…. Bah, I’m not even trying to argue with you dude. I’m just telling you I took your rec and how it went. Sorry you’re bothered by it.
AdobiWanKenobi@reddit
Check visas first. Do you know how much of a bitch it is to move to the states
Fragrant_Manner_4255@reddit
it's so much easier for europeans to come to the US than vice-versa.
SwimmingGun@reddit
You don’t need a visa, just fly into Mexico and walk across like the other millions of people, been working great for last 3 years
Ariusthegreat@reddit
You can fly in and do the same. You don’t need to go through Mexico.
i-slm@reddit (OP)
No, I’m an American. But I assume it is difficult.
Ariusthegreat@reddit
maybe, but you can find work in America even without a visa.
AdobiWanKenobi@reddit
Even harder than for you to go to European countries
gigsope@reddit
Dubaiportapotties.com
LyleLanleysMonorail@reddit
Every country has their own job sites so it will depend on the country.
StandClear1@reddit
LinkedIn