Fischer was slandered as antisemitic... now that Israel has exposed itself in Palestine, it kinda makes you want to revisit the things he was saying...
Posted by wreshy@reddit | EndlessWar | View on Reddit | 101 comments
"The United States is evil. The United States is you know, (they talk about) the axis of evil. Well what about the allies of evil - what about the United States, England, Japan, Australia? And so on. These are the evil-doers," the former champion said.
Fischer, whose mother was Jewish but who has a history of anti-Semitic outbursts, accused "the Jew-controlled US government" of ruining his life.
Fischer, 62, is wanted by the United States for violating sanctions imposed on the former Yugoslavia by playing an exhibition match against Russian Boris Spassky there in 1992.
_ass_we_can_@reddit
He was more right than we gave him credit for. Stephen Hawking also had the awareness to know what was up and the heart to try and make a difference. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zz9r2E_J9RU
wreshy@reddit (OP)
He was Jewish btw.
They also called Malcom X Antisemitic.
wreshy@reddit (OP)
"First of all the United States is an illegitimate country, just like Israel, it has no right to exist. That country, the United States, belongs to the Red Man, the American Indian."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H6OwM8k5_g
SeaworthinessSea530@reddit
"The United States is an illegitimate country ... just like the bandit state of Israel — the Jews have no right to be there, it belongs to the Palestinians," said Fischer, whose mother was Jewish. "That country, the United States, belongs to the red man, the American Indian. ... It's actually a shame to be a so-called American because everybody living there is ... an invader...."
iknighty@reddit
Every country has the same history as the US though, if you look far enough in time. Almost no one is indigenous to where they live.
wreshy@reddit (OP)
The Palestinians are indigenous and are currently being genocide by colonialist imperialist elitist white supremacist powers.
Much of South America is undergoing the same. There are many indigenous people still here, and they are STILL fighting to protect their water sources from foreign mining companies.
iknighty@reddit
Work on your reading comprehension.
wreshy@reddit (OP)
What did I misunderstand?
Boardindundee1967@reddit
Work on not being a yank asshole
shoesofwandering@reddit
Fischer lived in Iceland, an illegitimate country that was inhabited by Culdee Irish until the Vikings stole it. Free Iceland! From the ocean to the ocean, Iceland will be Irish!
santacruisin@reddit
Why so anti-Semitic?
SheTran3000@reddit
Is this the brain rot I keep hearing so much about?
wreshy@reddit (OP)
"I won't be free until I get out of Japan. This country, there is no law and order here. Let me just say something. This was not an arrest. It was a kidnapping, was all cooked up between (US President George) Bush and (Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro) Koizumi. They are war criminals, they should both be hung.``
"I'm very happy to be leaving. I have nothing against Japan, you just have a criminal government here, Koizumi is a gangster, he takes orders from President Bush, that's it."
-Bobby Fischer
Think_Improvement_50@reddit
Sounds like a lot of nonsense tbh. I'll look at any evidence someone gives me, but it seems like he's just saying shit he can't back up and blaming Jews for it.
wreshy@reddit (OP)
What precisely has he said that he cant back up and blames the Jews for?
Think_Improvement_50@reddit
I said give me evidence lol
Idk what he can and can't back up. "The dirty Jews stole my documents, I was totally gonna write a book but those dirty Jews stopped me" sounds not very compelling if you can't show me proof that that happened.
wreshy@reddit (OP)
I was trying to figure out what you want evidence of precisely...
Do you have the source from where you got this so I can see the full context?
Think_Improvement_50@reddit
It's literally in the video you posted. Are you a nazi or something? What the fuck?
wreshy@reddit (OP)
I also found this interview where he goes into much more detail of what happened.
Bobby Fischer>: Ya ya. They said I owe them a few hundred dollars which is, you know, without contacting me, nothing. they just sold it all off - stuff that it took me a lifetime to accumulate. I had it in. They broke open my safes and they broke open my file cabinets and everything. and just sold off everything. sold off like a hundred boxes of my stuff and sold off my photo album, my letters from President Marcos, my photo album with President Marcos - everything.
Bobby Fischer: That I owned? I still own it. This is all stolen property, you know?
Bobby Fischer: I have spent on this .. just in storage fees alone over 10,000 dollars. I have spent in buying the custom made safes, custom made file cabinets, with secret built in safes in the file cabinets, another file cabinet, a safe with special drill proof doors, with a second door inside, combination locks, both timers, in case somebody tries to force you to open it. The works! to preserve my memorabilia. My stuff from Marcos, my letters from President Nixon, books dedicated to me by President Nixon, former President Nixon when he dedicated the books, but he was President Nixon when he wrote to me. All kinds of stuff, photo albums, statues, the works! They have stole every f-----g thing and sold if off. The dirty Jews that want to put me in prison for 10 years. They have sold off all of my memorabilia which I collected over years. They have confiscated, they have stolen my book My 60 Memorable Games. They have come out with the illegal movie called Searching for Bobby Fischer which is exploiting my name for money. They've made tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars on this movie. I never get a penny of it. They came out with the illegal. the Jews have come out with the illegal CD-ROM called Bobby Fischer Teaches Chess. Zero for me. I get nothing. even from the legitimate edition of My 60 Memorable Games. Nothing. These f-----g Jews are thieves, they are liars, they are mother f-----s, and it's time we took care of these b------s.
Pablo Mercado: I have a photocopy of several checks that you have issued to .
Bobby Fischer: Yeah yeah. I faxed them to Eug.
Pablo Mercado: Yes, who is this Bob Ellsworth?
Bobby Fischer: This guy was acting as my agent to pay my bills there in the states?
Pablo Mercado: Uh huh.
Bobby Fischer: I have some stuff in storage in New York. I have the stuff in storage in Pasadena which has all been robbed. And I have a PO box. two PO boxes in Pasadena. And I had some property in Florida which I have to pay taxes on every year.
Pablo Mercado: Uh huh.
Bobby Fischer: This. all of these things come to less than 4000 dollars. so I was sending him 5 grand a year to take care of all this, plus giving him like a thousand dollars for his trouble. and he was paying it. But then he got the words from the dirty Jews. f--k Fischer's a--. sell his memorabilia. This was in conclusion. this was in collusion with this Bekins storage company in Pasadena. You know. what the hell am I gonna give away all of the stuff which I have taken years to accumulate and to preserve over 400 dollars. I've got 300 million dollars in Switzerland. I got dough here in Hungary. They did it all behind my back. Nobody contacted me. nothing. They didn't contact my lawyers. nothing. the f-----g Jews want to destroy everything I've worked for all my life. There as no Holocaust. The Jews are liars. it's time we took off the kid gloves with these parasites.
Pablo Mercado: All right. with all of these things Mr. Fischer. what do you intend to do now?
Bobby Fischer: I intend to do what I'm doing right now.
Pablo Mercado: What?
Bobby Fischer: Which is to expose the Jews for the criminals they are, the parasites they are, the liars they are, the thieves they are, the niggers( editor's note- don't know how to edit this one) they are.
Pablo Mercado: You speak like an Arab.
Bobby Fischer: .. You ask the Palestinians. I was just listening to the BBC. the horror story that come out of there when you get into an Israeli prison. the way they torture you . it's unheard of. I was listening to a Palestinian woman, a Christian woman from Palestine, not even Muslims, Christian women who were anti-Israel. They got picked up by the Israeli police, taken down to the jail, and then the Israeli police tried to get information -- Who do you know among your friends that's anti-Israel? Give us all the names of your Arab, Christian friends who are anti-Israel. When they refused, they put the women in a cell, these are mothers, these women, mostly. They put em in a cell, and then they start playing, in Arabic, on the loudspeaker, 24 hours a day, "Mommy, come home, Mommy, we miss you" in Arabic. They played it over and over again until the women just collapsed.
Pablo Mercado: All right, do you have any.
Bobby Fischer: This is the Jewish mentality. These are a criminal people. They torture their prisoners in the worst way. It's even illegal! They don't even deny it hardly. Jews were always b------s throughout history. They are liars, they are the worst pieces of s--t in the world. They mutilate their own children.
Pablo Mercado: all right.
Bobby Fischer: F--- the Jews.
Pablo Mercado: ok. you don't plan any legal moves against them? against those who sold your memorabilia?
Bobby Fischer: What is this he said?
Pablo Mercado: Legal moves, like a case in court.
Bobby Fischer: You know, the Jews control the courts. What is your name, Mr. Mercado?
Pablo Mercado: Yes, Pablo.
Bobby Fischer: Yes, the Jews. Pablo, yeah Pablo. The Jews control the courts. It's just a charade they go through. It's Facade City, you know - Facade City. I've been involved in a number of law suits in America. Never got a penny, never got a stop order, never got nothing. I've been involved in about 5 or 6 lawsuits, about 5 cases throughout the years, never got a penny, never got any property back, never got a stop order, never got nothing man. I spent a lot of money, and I have all the documents, and I have all the justice on my side. It's a joke. The United States is a farce controlled by dirty, hook-nosed circumcised Jew bastards.
Think_Improvement_50@reddit
Most of the links you've put in that comment don't go anywhere. Is there any evidence for any of this?
Also it seems like he's talking about more than just Israel
wreshy@reddit (OP)
Ignore the links from the interview, they got copy-pasted in from the source I took it from, not sure what they are for.
Evidence of the actual theft? I mean, in the article that calls him crazy and a liar, they admit it was illegal.
Fischer did keep a storage room in Pasadena for 12 years, and the memorabilia inside it were confiscated. The contents were sold at a public auction, because Fischer's account - maintained by a Pasadena businessman named Bob Ellsworth, whom Fischer had met through the WCG - was in arrears. 'It was my responsibility to pay the bill, and I didn't pay it because I didn't know there were new owners,' Ellsworth says. 'So they put Bobby's stuff up for auction.
I mean, as Kanye (who also spoke truth to power) said:
They called me crazy, but they didnt call me a liar.
He is, he is talking about World Jewry (Zionists) that control Western powers.
If you want evidence of this, just look into AIPAC's control of US Congress (both parties)
https://imgur.com/QTVJYoO
https://imgur.com/9to1Cqr
https://imgur.com/zrqSgyu
Remember, JFK was demanding AIPAC (then AZC) register as foreign agents, and submit an itemized list of their funders
AIPAC (then AZC) stalled & stalled... then the Kennedys were murdered
Soon after, they registered as AIPAC (w/ origin date retro to actual origin date of AZC)
Their control of media
And that is just the media. Also look into their control of big tech, big pharma, education (Ivy league colleges), Law firms, S7P 500...the list is endless
Then there is the history behind the birth of centralized banking, which loan money to different countries financing wars, municipal projects, or anything else ANYONE needs. They set the interest rates of whatever country theyre in... included is the power to start or end economic depressions. They also control the money supply, which extends to the control over a country’s inflation rate.
The Titanic was boarded by a slew of powerful people that opposed centralized banking (such as Straus, one from the Guggenheim family, John Jacob Astor the IV). And it was owned by J.P. Morgan, who advertised his ship as “unsinkable”? He was supposed to board it too, but decided at the last minute not to. Also, none of his precious stuff was loaded on the ship...
In the United States, the Federal Reserve is a private bank, making the name misleading...
The federal reserve is a grandchild of the Bank of England, which funded both sides of European conflicts for hundreds of years. For years prior to its conception, the Bank of England pressured the US to establish its own. The Bank of England had a big problem with the success, stability, and efficiency of the US non-gold-backed currency for many reasons. A central bank in the US would give the Bank of England the perfect means to manipulate American finance. Unfortunately, they got what they wanted
There hasnt been an institution before or since that has so swiftly and efficiently stolen the wealth of the population. Inflation leaves us holding worthless colorful papers while the state has the majority of them, therefore having all purchasing power.
I could keep going but you may already think I also suffer from paranoia, luckily for me I'm anonymous and am not one of the most famous figures of my time, a certified genius, speaking truth to power, so they cant single me out and target me, discredit me, and slander me.
Think_Improvement_50@reddit
I am calling him and Kanye both crazy and liars. Kanye "spoke truth to power" when he said George Bush doesn't care about black people. He didn't any other time.
Whether it was illegal is not the question. The question is whether the things that he says were there were there. I think they weren't. I think it's delusions.
Just because Zionists are evil doesn't mean "World Jewry" isn't an antisemitic dog whistle. You're spreading the most heinous bullshit in this comment.
wreshy@reddit (OP)
Kanye has criticized Jewish control of media and other financial institutions.
Well, we will never know because they illegally confiscated his possessions.
Why do you think it is delusions?
At that time Zionism wasnt distinguished from World Jewry because they purposefuly obfuscate the 2 (look at Congress passing a law saying that anti-zionism = anti-semitism).
Zionism has hijacked Judaism, perverted it, and uses it as a political tool to push their racist, white supremacist ideology.
They've done the same with Christianity (with Evangelicals).
THIS is a real Jew
Zionists worked hand-in-hand with the Nazis during the Holocaust to kill the anti-Zionist Jews.
Look up the Haavara Agreement, Group 13, the KAPOS were all Zionists.
Think_Improvement_50@reddit
He, like you, is full of shit. The issue is private ownership of media and finance, not Jewish ownership of media and finance lol
So you agree there's no evidence for the ridiculous bullshit he's claiming?
Because
nobody keeps millions of dollars of assets in a storage unit lol
If he was working on a book, he would have references to the documents that were lost. Instead, he just says there are documents, letters, etc., and doesn't (can't) say what any of them said lol
World Jewry isn't a thing. You're repeating Nazi propaganda.
Yes, they purposefully obfuscate it, and this guy isn't talking about Israel. He's talking about Jews.
Agreed. But it is tangential to this discussion.
That's misrepresenting the facts, but I don't want to get into the weeds on that. Zionists collaborated with Nazis, but they didn't "work hand-in-hand... To kill the anti-Zionist Jews"
I think that's a lie. Please cite your sources.
There are other Jews too. No true Scotsman fallacies don't help your case.
wreshy@reddit (OP)
And they just happen to be ``Jewish``
Not at all. His claims that his possessions in his highly protected storage unit was stolen are verified.
Not just any run-of-the-mill storage unit either. Also:
I have spent in buying the custom made safes, custom made file cabinets, with secret built in safes in the file cabinets, another file cabinet, a safe with special drill proof doors, with a second door inside, combination locks, both timers, in case somebody tries to force you to open it. The works! to preserve my memorabilia.
Just because you may operate this way doesnt mean everyone else does.
And regardless of whether or not he was working on a book doesnt change the fact that his possessions were stolen, which is the whole point.
Not at all tangential. It is fundamental to understanding Fischer's intended target when referring to Jews.
They collaborated via the Havaara Agreement, but they worked hand-in-hand via Group 13 in the Warsaw Ghetto and with the KAPOS in the concentration camps. Zionists were fundamental in the workings of the Nazi regime.
https://www.palestineremembered.com/FactsAboutHaavara.html#Kapos
As that rabbi mentions (I assume maybe you didnt even listen to him), the very conception of a Jewish State is anti-semitic because Judaic teachings prohibit Jews from having a sovereign state.
So no Jew can be Zionist. Again, Zionism is antisemitism.
Think_Improvement_50@reddit
That video is private. I can't watch it. Where did you find it?
No they aren't. You're lying. They were auctioned because a bill wasn't paid. And what proof that it was "highly protected"?
Literally any evidence of that? And when did he say that was in the storage unit?
Everyone does. If you are writing something, you're referencing your citations constantly. I am not saying he needs to name every source and its contents, I'm saying he should be able to name at least a couple. Maybe even just one. Instead, he has literally zero.
It shows he's not trustworthy. It shows he's a liar.
Again, no good evidence of that.
No it isn't.
I am very familiar with him and I've been listening to him for years.
You have a penchant for unsupported assumptions lol
One rabbi doesn't have the power to define the entire Jewish religion. Not all Christians agree on aspects of theology. Not all Muslims do either. So why do all Jews have to interpret things exactly like him? And what about ethnic Jews that don't accept any theology? Nonsense.
wreshy@reddit (OP)
No surprise they deleted it from youtube, good thing I downloaded it.
https://imgur.com/hkLNshI
Responded to this in the other comment
Bobby's words. What proof do you have that it wasnt?
He was talking about the storage unit.
Ya ya. They said I owe them a few hundred dollars which is, you know, without contacting me, nothing. they just sold it all off - stuff that it took me a lifetime to accumulate. I had it in. They broke open my safes and they broke open my file cabinets and everything. and just sold off everything. sold off like a hundred boxes of my stuff and sold off my photo album, my letters from President Marcos, my photo album with President Marcos - everything.
Maybe he operates differently, his chess certainly points to that...
But again, this is beside the point.
I personally havent looked into it, I might, but have you? I mean you must seen everything Bobby has said in his entire life to be so absolutely sure he is a liar. For someone so insistent on evidence it seems odd youre so quick to conclude he is a liar.
Yes there is.
Yes it is.
No, but the book their actual belief is founded on does, lmao.
Youre grasping at this point.
Think_Improvement_50@reddit
Regarding Malcom X, I have seen that video before. It is not a Jewish conspiracy to remove it from YouTube. You do sound paranoid, yes.
You mean lied about it in the other comment to make the narrative you're pushing seem more plausible because it's obvious bullshit? Lol
The fact that Bobby is obviously not trustworthy. The words of literally everyone else involved in this case. The fact that he has had lots of lawsuits and lost every one. I'm a lawyer. The law doesn't just stop operating because Jews are involved. The cases would have been recorded. Find them.
Lmao he's good at chess, therefore he operates by reading but not remembering anything of what he read? Wow.
Enough to know that's bullshit lol
That's obviously not true. You're not using critical thinking skills here.
I have shown absolutely zero inconsistency regarding evidence, liar.
Again, no it doesn't. Look at Christian opinions on the Bible.
No I'm not
Says the guy who believes that Fischer had a super secret double safe with drill-proof doors and millions of dollars in assets and documentation he can't remember to write a book he never wrote, and says the burden of proof is on me to show why I don't believe that lmfao
There is none at all.
wreshy@reddit (OP)
Not paranoid. Just awaken to the truth.
The one in denial here is you. I've done nothing but provide you evidence, of which you continuously ask for more and more. It seems you cant do your own research and need me to spoon feed you.
Exactly. It seems youre already determined to not believe anything he says.
What's the point of finding lawsuits he has lost in? It just goes along with what he says:
Another example of your disingenuousness. Bobby was not just ``good`` at chess, he is arguably the greatest player ever.
I didnt say he doesnt remember what he reads, I said his process for writing a book may be different than what you (or everyone) believe it should be. According to him, a lot of his notes were tape-recordings of his thoughts.
So no.
Youre the one concluding he is a liar without doing your own research into his claims. Have you even bothered to look through his interviews?
Hmm, maybe the problem all along has been that you cant read? Or youre reading in a rage? I said insistent not inconsistent.
More disingenuousness lol
Pretty much yea. But I know why you dont believe it, youve already concluded he is a liar.
Yep
Think_Improvement_50@reddit
You have never provided evidence of the core thing being claimed. You're providing evidence for a bunch of bullshit that nobody even disputed, and even then you have to lie about the course of events to make it seem worse lol
No, I am more than willing to. If there is even a scintilla of evidence for his extraordinary claim. But there isn't and you can't provide it. On the contrary, you are determined to believe him despite a total lack of evidence.
If it happened, there's a record. If the court has the record still (maybe not after so many years, but you'd think someone has a copy for such a high profile case), I can pay the court for a transcript and read what transpired. I can see what was presented. Extremely useful for finding out if I should believe him despite his weird and unlikely claims.
Enough. You're the one who keeps asking about the interview that you yourself posted lol
Don't forget that one of your first responses to me was implying he never said anything about Jews stealing his shit to prevent him from writing a book.
That's fine. I fully agree. And if you make such notes, you will remember at least a bit of them lol
My bad there lol
How so?
Me: Lmao he's good at chess, therefore he operates by reading but not remembering anything of what he read? Wow.
You:
Lol. Lmao even. You are missing the point so hard. My point is that it doesn't matter how good he is at chess. His goodness at chess. His greatness at chess. His utter domination at chess. Totally. Fucking. Irrelevant. To whether he should be able to remember something specific about the book he was supposedly writing lol
wreshy@reddit (OP)
What was the core thing being claimed?
Well, notice that the only one doing research and providing information is me. You, on the other hand, are just screaming for more and more evidence without providing anything.
Like I've already said, he didnt sue anyone regarding this matter.
This is just a blatant lie. All I did was ask which specific claim you were wanting evidence on.
Of which I provided an interview by Fischer that provided more context/detail into the situation and an article that provided Ellsworth's own words and admittance of being at fault.
So clearly it wasnt just baseless accusations of a senile man, rather that there is truth behind what he is saying.
Then it becomes he-said she-said. Here is where you continue to just believe Fischer is nothing but a liar. And thus, believe that Ellsworth account that it was just ``an accident`` truth. I find it hilarious that his stuff was taken out of his storage unit after 12 years and it all just boils down to it being ``an accident.``
More disingenuousness. The whole reason people make audio-recordings of their thoughts is to retain the memory because they know they will forget.
Because we arent talking about Christianity.
The only people who have changed the interpretations of the Judaic texts are the Zionists.
Is that all you want, something specific about the book he was writing?
Im sure you can find it if you bother to research it.
If you actually care.
Think_Improvement_50@reddit
Omg. The core thing is the thing I've been arguing about. The idea that he had millions of dollars of assets in spy-like double safes and documents that he was using to write a book, but he can't say anything about any of the documents and there's absolutely no evidence for him having any of what I just said.
Literally not. I am asking for any evidence of this one thing that you keep fucking dodging.
I do. The onus is on you. Show me.
You're disingenuous. Nothing I have said is disingenuous. You're just obsessed with this guy.
You don't forget EVERYTHING, jackass. You know this. You. You are being disingenuous. I am asking for ANYTHING. ANY. SINGLE. THING. The recording is obviously to help remember things, but absent the recording, it's not like he will forget 100% of everything he ever recorded, right? You know I'm right. But you have to lie and be disingenuous while calling me disingenuous. You know damn well that nobody forgets 100% of things if they don't have their notes to remind them lmao
I find it hilarious that you think they wouldn't have done it any time in the previous 12 years if it weren't an accident lol
Why did they wait 12 years to have the collusion?
You have zero critical thinking skills.
He says he sued "the Jews" for stop orders and damages and never won. This is relevant to his trustworthiness.
wreshy@reddit (OP)
Actually the core thing was the theft, but go ahead and shift the goal posts, I really dont mind, it's just motivating me to dig in deeper into the truths so I thank you for that.
Apparantly the book he was working on was ``about the prearranged match, 1984-85 between Karpov and Kasparov.``
But alas, ``They’ve stolen everything, all of my stuff in storage, a big room with my belongings, up to the ceiling, hundreds of boxes, filing cabinets, statues, chess sets, my personal correspondence, my chess gamescores, handwritten notebooks, clothing, gold coins, cash, everything you can think of. They just stole it all. It was worth a fortune. I mean hundreds of millions of dollars. I mean just the movie using my name [“Searching for Bobby Fischer”] has brought in hundreds of millions of dollars for Viacom, Paramount Pictures. How much more will they get from all this other stuff. They have photographs, a hand carved telephone I got in Cuba with all the signatures, my chess set that was on the cover of Life Magazine, my pocket sets, private photos I took of President Marcos, telegrams and letters from world leaders, my books, private correspondence, fan mail, my legal files, my clothing, an endless list. A treasure trove of Fischer memorabilia.``
So it seems he is estimating his memorabilia at such high value due to the fact Viacom, Paramount Pictures made so much from the film using his name. He figures his book with his name would make around the same (and that would be just the book, who knows what else he may have planned to do with his memorabilia).
As for why the collusion now? Well he explains that too:
Anchor: How is your chess clock?
Bobby: ``It was moving along quite well, finally getting near completion, until the illegal arrest and brutalization. Maybe it was one of the contributing reasons. See, whenever I’m about to complete some kind of project, like the book I was working on about the prearranged match, 1984-85 between Karpov and Kasparov, they robbed all my files.``
Interview
No, in the previous interview I provided and even quoted several times, he says he didnt bother suing cus ``the legal system is a farce`` and he repeats it in this interview as well (linked above):
Boy Pobre: Are you not contemplating bringing charges against them for all they have done to you?
Fischer: I was involved in a number of lawsuits in America years ago. I never got a penny, I never got a stop order, I never got anything. The legal system is a farce.
Anyway, I think Im done with this exchange. You can continue thinking he is just a liar if you want. Be well.
Think_Improvement_50@reddit
The core issue has always been what I have been saying. I'm the one disputing it. You can't change the core issue because you don't like what I'm disputing lol
But fine, I can accept he just has a ridiculous method of valuing things. Whatever.
Can you summarize this? Has he ever summarized it? I'm saying that you'd think if he was "about to complete" the book, he should be able to easily point to a few things he remembers to showcase what he concluded about that match.
wreshy@reddit (OP)
"The dirty Jews stole my documents, I was totally gonna write a book but those dirty Jews stopped me"
You are nothing but disingenuous.
He has talked about it alot:
https://quotepark.com/quotes/1895632-bobby-fischer-i-studied-that-first-karpov-kasparov-match-for-a-y/
Think_Improvement_50@reddit
So can you summarize it? What evidence is there that it was a fake match? I'm not saying it wasn't. I have no idea about that match. I'm just saying, again, as I have always been saying, it doesn't seem like he can, from what I have seen, say anything about the topic of the book, and instead bemoans that his documents were stolen.
wreshy@reddit (OP)
Because the theft of his stuff was within the core issue (mentioned twice), yet you failed to mention that in your later claim of what the core issue was.
Ok man... are you trolling me?
As if that\^ werent enough, I provided you a link with a tooooooooon of his quotes talking about that match... which is what the book was gonna be about.
At first you said you were willing to look at evidence but it really seems like you are just hell-bent on maintaining that he is just a liar.
Think_Improvement_50@reddit
Saying "the book is about X" is not saying literally anything about the evidence informing the book which was supposedly stolen. I am willing to look at evidence. You still haven't shown me anything for my concerns other than, basically, "he valued the documents very highly because of how much money they had made off his name thus far"
And I conceded that point. I don't think I agree with him, but whatever, that's not lying. He believes it was worth that much. That's fine. I don't care that much about it. And I don't believe he had the super secure safety measures, but if it was actually that valuable to him (why keep it in a storage unit? but) who cares? I'm sorry you thought my point was only that it was stolen, but from the quote you just gave me of my own words, I can clearly intuit the incredulity I have about the book. And from my other comments, you can see how I refined what it is I'm looking for. I am asking very specifically, right now, and for the umpteenth time: What evidence is there in the book? Why can't he name that evidence? Or has he somewhere? Why is he saying it's an arranged match without giving literally any evidence that it's an arranged match? Did they steal his memory when they "stole" his documents? Is there some evidence somewhere that he has given? If not, Why are you so willing to take his word for it if he has never given an inkling of evidence? If so, please give me it.
wreshy@reddit (OP)
I quoted your words about what the ``core`` issue was, and within that was 2 mentions of the theft, which youve highly disputed throughout this exchange, it seems to me every time I provide evidence for something you switch to another criteria. Like I just gave you a summary of what the book was about, which you asked for, along with a ton of quotes of him talking about said topic and now that isnt enough either.
You want precise evidence of his actual documents, tapes, notes, etc. Well...if those still existed he would be able to use them to write his book.... you are literally asking for the impossible. This all indicates to me you are not arguing in good faith here.
The issue of the theft is the core issue because it's the very reason the evidence youre looking for no longer exists.
Think_Improvement_50@reddit
Two mentions of the theft of documents being used to write a book
I didn't ask for a summary of what the book was about. I asked for a summary of the documents the used to write the book. You lack reading comprehension skills, friend.
"You want precise evidence of his actual documents"
I have explicitly, repeatedly said I don't expect that, liar.
wreshy@reddit (OP)
Actually, all you said was
Youre question is ambiguous yet I lack reading comprehension. Just more poor faith argumentation from you.
So what do you want? Cus Ive already provided a general summary (via Fischer's words) of what was stolen...
``They’ve stolen everything, all of my stuff in storage, a big room with my belongings, up to the ceiling, hundreds of boxes, filing cabinets, statues, chess sets, my personal correspondence, my chess gamescores, handwritten notebooks, clothing, gold coins, cash, everything you can think of. They just stole it all. It was worth a fortune. I mean hundreds of millions of dollars. I mean just the movie using my name [“Searching for Bobby Fischer”] has brought in hundreds of millions of dollars for Viacom, Paramount Pictures. How much more will they get from all this other stuff. They have photographs, a hand carved telephone I got in Cuba with all the signatures, my chess set that was on the cover of Life Magazine, my pocket sets, private photos I took of President Marcos, telegrams and letters from world leaders, my books, private correspondence, fan mail, my legal files, my clothing, an endless list. A treasure trove of Fischer memorabilia.`
And I dunno if this is specific enough for you but from the link of quotes I provided, he mentions the use of computer-assistance.
“I follow the old chess, I follow all the pre-arranged matches, like the last Kramnik-Kasparov match. At the highest level it is all pre-arranged, move by move. You have very interesting, beautiful pre-arranged games being created by very intelligent players, working with computers, working in teams. I have no objections to people creating such games, but they must say these are pre-arranged games, but they must not claim that they are finding the moves over the board.”
And if you want anything more specific... I mean, did anyone ask him the question you are asking and he refused to answer?
Think_Improvement_50@reddit
It's bad reading comprehension because it's pretty fucking obvious what I was asking for lol
It's not a bad faith argument for me to expect you to understand my incredulity, given that I've explicitly spelled it out like a hundred times. What the fuck are you smoking that you would ever think the thing I was asking for was the general topic of the book when every single point I've made regarding the book has been about its supporting documents, or lack thereof? That's why it showcases your bad reading comprehension. Not because I thought the most recent question encompassed everything I could ever want out of this discussion. Obviously.
No idea. Not willing to sift through hours of interviews. You appear to be well versed in everything (despite having apparently decided he was worth listening to only after most people started hating Israel, which I admit I find moderately suspicious since that wasn't very long ago), so you tell me if anyone asked him that, and if they didn't, I'm asking you why he hasn't ever said anything to that effect when they asked him other things on point. And if he never did, why do you believe him? Do you think it's not an extraordinary claim? That's a genuine question. I don't follow chess, and I have only a feeling that it's an extraordinary claim because it sounds like he's saying they basically faked the match, and, if that's the case, I'll need more evidence than just "I was gonna write a book about it but some people stole the documents" without anything like, "I had [description of some document] that proved [claim] because [explanation]"
I really do feel like I'm being reasonable in this level of incredulity. I don't understand why you just believe it at face value.
wreshy@reddit (OP)
``Can you summarize this? Has he ever summarized it?``
In your mind, maybe. But when you communicate you should use specific terms if youre gonna critique someone for having poor reading comprehension.
``it`` and ``this`` can refer to anything (ambiguous).
I figured you wanted a summary of the book because youve previously said things like
So if you have ``no idea; not willing to sift through hours of interviews.``
How can you claim this?
Not at all. Im looking into things as we speak (which is really the only reason I value this exchange, cus otherwise you are very unpleasant and hostile).
And thanks to that, I am finding his claims are not just the senseless ramblings of an antisemitic lunatic, as was previously imbedded into my mind.
Not that I've seen as of yet.
``other things on point``? For example? See, this right here is (I assume purposefully) ambiguous. Can you be specific?
Well, again, I havent seen anyone asking him for his specific documents that he would use to write his book and him refusing to answer or evading the question in some form (not saying they arent out there, just that I havent seen it). So I have no reason to disbelieve him, though before I would have just discounted/not cared about what he had to say cus I was sold that he was just an unhinged old racist...
He is saying this yes. And it is an extraordinary claim.
But it wasnt entirely out of the blue, and to me (who believes most sport matches are fixed) would not find it surprising...
Century In Chess: 1975 (century-in-chess.blogspot.com)
Think_Improvement_50@reddit
I have found that he removed the fillings in his teeth and that he told his friend it was because he wanted nothing artificial in his head. One person said it was to avoid having his mouth used as a radio transmitter. One biographer says it was for "traditional periodontal reasons".
I have also found that he believed the CIA, the Soviets, and the Mossad were out to get him, and that he always carried a blue box but never told anyone what was inside, and that one of his friends said he saw inside the box and said it was just a Bible.
I have some experience with schizophrenic people, and that truly sounds like schizophrenia. Believing everyone is out to get you and chosing a particular group, usually a minority, to blame conspiracies on, thinking benign things like fillings are radio transmitters, etc. It's sad, but I think he was just delusional, my friend.
wreshy@reddit (OP)
Could you provide the sources of him actually saying these things?
My brother was called schizophrenic and he was telling my family about crypto currencies years before it popped up. We called him crazy because of it.
And that is just one of the things he told us about that I just thought were ``crazy`` but now whole-heartedly believe.
I think you just havent gone down the rabbit hole like I have. You still believe conspiracy theories are just theory.
In any case, you might not agree with his truth, but you'll never convince me he was mentally ill. He speaks clearly and coherently.
Think_Improvement_50@reddit
Cryptocurrency is mostly bullshit. There are one or two worth a damn, and only because they can be used on the dark web.
Do you mean a recording of him saying it? I have his friends saying it.
wreshy@reddit (OP)
Banks are what's bullshit. Crypto allows you to hold your own money, without interests or regulations, and untraced.
Speaking of conspiracies, look into the history behind the birth of centralized banking, which loan money to different countries financing wars, municipal projects, or anything else ANYONE needs. They set the interest rates of whatever country theyre in... included is the power to start or end economic depressions. They also control the money supply, which extends to the control over a country’s inflation rate.
The Titanic was boarded by a slew of powerful people that opposed centralized banking (such as Straus, one from the Guggenheim family, John Jacob Astor the IV). And it was owned by J.P. Morgan, who advertised his ship as “unsinkable”? He was supposed to board it too, but decided at the last minute not to. Also, none of his precious stuff was loaded on the ship...
And in the United States, the Federal Reserve is a private entity, making the name misleading...
The federal reserve is a grandchild of the Bank of England, which funded both sides of European conflicts for hundreds of years. For years prior to its conception, the Bank of England pressured the US to establish its own. The Bank of England had a big problem with the success, stability, and efficiency of the US non-gold-backed currency for many reasons. A central bank in the US would give the Bank of England the perfect means to manipulate American finance. Unfortunately, they got what they wanted
There hasnt been an institution before or since that has so swiftly and efficiently stolen the wealth of the population. Inflation leaves us holding worthless colorful papers while the state has the majority of them, therefore having all purchasing power.
So you believe what his ``friend`` he says about Fischer but not what Fischer actually says?
Im interested in what Fischer says, not about what other people say about him (which is precisely what had previously influenced my thoughts of him).
Think_Improvement_50@reddit
Whether banks are bullshit doesn't make crypto less bullshit. I am intimately familiar with the origin of central banks, which was not a conspiracy by international Jews and has nothing to do with a single Jewish family's wealth, which isn't nearly as large as the online Nazis say. They also generally don't operate internationally. The Federal Reserve has nothing to do with the Bank of England. The Federal Reserve is administered by a coalition of multiple private, American corporate banks and a government agency, not a family or a foreign bank.
Most crypto is bullshit because most crypto isn't money because, though you can call it "currency" all day, it's not money if you can't buy anything with it. Also moderate inflation doesn't constitute theft, and if you have a diversified portfolio, you should always easily beat inflation if something horrible hasn't happened in the economy. There are alternatives to inflation that I would prefer, especially given modern technology, but it's not like a 2-3% inflation rate is evil.
No, it isn't. It's funny because I made the first part of this response before seeing you say this because I had a feeling you believed it. Most people who rail on "central banks" as a whole generally do. It's absolutely ahistorical nonsense. The Federal Reserve has nothing whatever to do with the Bank of England. Further, the US was moving away from the gold standard long before the Federal Reserve, so they're not even the same thing. The USA had a bimetallic standard under Lincoln, like 70 years before the Federal Reserve came into being. You can have a central bank and commodity currency at the same time. You can also have a commodity currency with fractional reserve banking at the same time.
Yes. When Fischer is saying those things that sound crazy and you have multiple sources with no apparent relation to these Israeli saboteurs and with no apparent relation to each other concluding the same thing about the fact (undisputed by any source) that he removed his god damn fillings, yes. I absolutely believe his friend when he says what was in the box and why he removed his fillings. Why don't you? Flip that question around. So you believe this guy who removed his fillings over the people who said he was going crazy?
wreshy@reddit (OP)
No, not a single one. (and not Jewish, Zionist*)
Where, in the USA? What about globally? Like in Argentina where they are held hostage by the IMF
Ok but again, I asked you for a source of him saying these things and you said you didnt have one. You just have what a ``friend`` of his said.
If Im going to believe something about X person, Im gonna make my judgement based on what I have seen X person say/do, not on what others say about him.
Think_Improvement_50@reddit
Correct. And not multiple ones either. Lol
The whole story is a fucking lie, my friend.
The IMF isn't a central bank and Argentina's central bank isn't the Federal Reserve lol
No, I said I don't have a recording of him saying these things. I have multiple secondary sources on the matter. It is undisputed that he had his fillings removed. Please give me an explanation for that which isn't what multiple sources said.
He said, while talking about Zionist families controlling the Federal Reserve with absolutely no evidence because it's a fucking lie lol
wreshy@reddit (OP)
So at the end of the day your opinion of him is based solely on what other people have said about him.
Think_Improvement_50@reddit
And the undisputed fact that he had his fillings removed, which you have yet to explain lol
wreshy@reddit (OP)
Why would I have to explain why he had his fillings removed?
Think_Improvement_50@reddit
Because it's a clear indication that he was suffering from something like schizophrenia, which supports my point of view.
wreshy@reddit (OP)
That's a huge leap, which you need what 3rd parties have said, to make.
Why dont you take the time to look at videos of him actually talking? I linked one a few comments back.
Think_Improvement_50@reddit
It's not a huge leap. It's a super small step. If it's such a huge leap, it should be easy for you to give me a non-crazy reason for removing all your fillings.
I have.
wreshy@reddit (OP)
Also, ``because he wanted nothing artificial in his head`` sounds like a non-crazy reason to me...
But this is coming from someone who has stopped using toothpaste with fluoride in it, stopped consuming white sugars, salts, flours. or any processed foods, stopped using chemically-filled sun-tan lotions. soaps, shampoos, but hey maybe I am crazy too.
Think_Improvement_50@reddit
Lol maybe
wreshy@reddit (OP)
I dont have to explain anything, you are the one making the leap...
According to this logic, anyone who decides to remove their fillings is schizophrenic...
Like I said, you need 3rd party testimony to make this leap.
I am glad for this.
Think_Improvement_50@reddit
Other things on point means "anything that would obviously be related to the book or the documents"
It's not purposefully vague. I am being unpleasant because you are determined to believe this without any critical thought or skepticism while acting like I'm being disingenuous when I say things like "on point" which is a super common phrasing that any native speaker of English would understand without pretending it's vague lol
So, in other words, I'm being unpleasant because you're extremely unpleasant as well. You're almost acting like anyone questioning this guy you supposedly only recently started caring about is "in on it" lol
"Judeobolshevik" is literally Nazi propaganda.
wreshy@reddit (OP)
Ok so let's get specific then.
What question specifically are you referring to?
When have I been unpleasant? When I called you disingenuous?
When did I give this impression?
I dont think you are ``in on it`` - I just think you are misinformed or uninformed, as I used to be.
Think_Improvement_50@reddit
The Federal Reserve is not a private bank. It is a conglomerate of private banks that has absolutely nothing to do with the Bank of England. You haven't done your research on this, you've just parroted what you heard from a Nazi talking about the Rothschild family.
The Federal Reserve has no surreptitious ties to the Bank of England. It is, in fact, run by, e.g., Bank of America lol
This is publicly available information. You don't need to go to nazi conspiracy theory pages to get it. You don't need to catalogue the supposed ethnicity of every person in media to claim that the problem is Jews rather than the system itself. This is a distraction so you don't fight the people who actually control your life. Just look at it. Open your eyes. They're literally right in front of you. It's your landlord; it's the corporation that owns the building where you work; it's the corporation you pay with your labor surplus. It's not Jews.
wreshy@reddit (OP)
So-called Jews*
wreshy@reddit (OP)
Ah my bad, since I posted this I went on to watch several of his videos.
Anyway, I just looked up the Bekins theft he's referring to and found this articlethat basically paints him as a conspiratorial lunatic, but it goes into details about what happened:
As for the Bekins theft, it, too, is a fiction. Fischer did keep a storage room in Pasadena for 12 years, and the memorabilia inside it were confiscated, but not in some nefarious plot. The contents were sold at a public auction, because Fischer's account - maintained by a Pasadena businessman named Bob Ellsworth, whom Fischer had met through the WCG - was in arrears. 'It was my responsibility to pay the bill, and I didn't pay it because I didn't know there were new owners,' Ellsworth says. 'So they put Bobby's stuff up for auction. I felt really bad and spent about $8,000 of my own money buying back all the significant memorabilia.' The storage room was not a treasure trove worth 'hundreds of millions of dollars' as Fischer claimed. 'A lot of it,' Ellsworth says, 'was old magazines and things that were of personal interest to Bobby: books on conspiracy theories, racy Mexican comics. Things you could replace for a dime a copy. That stuff I passed on. But anything of intrinsic value I snagged.'
At the auction Ellsworth acquired 'about 80 per cent' of the lots. Harry Sneider corroborates Ellsworth's story, and says that his son personally delivered the reclaimed memorabilia to Fischer in Budapest. When a list of the lots was read to him, Sneider confirmed that each one is in Fischer's possession. Lot 151: Box Lot of Telegrams to Bobby Fischer During World Chess Championship. 'Delivered.' Lot 152: Box Lot of Books Inscribed to Bobby Fischer (not by authors). 'Delivered.' Lot 153: From the People of New York given to Bobby Fischer - Leather Scrapbook with Letter and Telegram from Mayor John V. Lindsay of New York City. 'Delivered.'
Fischer denies all of this, and would like nothing better than to see Ellsworth drop dead - literally. During a Philippine radio interview broadcast on 27 January, 1999, he instructed the host to read Ellsworth's home address on the air. 'Some Filipino who loves me should say hello to that motherfucker,' Fischer said. 'Bob Ellsworth is worthy of death for this shit he pulled on me, in cahoots with Bekins. This was all orchestrated by the Jewish world governments.
Think_Improvement_50@reddit
He genuinely sounds paranoid schizophrenic.
Think_Improvement_50@reddit
He wasn't "slandered as antisemitic" because slander implies it's false, and he was, in fact, super fucking nazi with his rhetoric. As are you. There is no "world Jewry" and Jews don't control the banks. You're criticizing capitalism and then blaming an ethnicity for it.
He didn't have millions of dollars worth of assets and documents hidden in a storage unit. He's lying. He wasn't on the cusp of writing a book telling all. He's lying. Even if that were true, it wouldn't be impossible to remember anything that you don't have written down. It would be very easy, if you were working on a book, to name a few things that were going to be in it. You'd be able to make reference to the specific documents that were supposedly seized.
He's lying and you're gullible. Or a nazi. I'm leaning nazi.
wreshy@reddit (OP)
Look to my other reply. Zionists purposefully conflate Zionism with Judaism. Zionism was born of anti-semitism.
Look up Sabbateanism.
Well, now it would be on you to back up your claim here. Who are you to know.
Fact is his shit was stolen.
Nazis are the white supremacists who have hijacked religions and infiltrated Western governments. The Zionists. Which people have, understandably, confused with Judaism.
Think_Improvement_50@reddit
His shit wasn't stolen. It was sold on accident and the guy who fucked up got it all back.
The onus is on you to show that it actually was what Fischer says it was.
wreshy@reddit (OP)
Illegally confiscated* and sold ``on accident.``
If youre just gonna be disingenuous I wont waste more time with you.
I showed that his stuff was stolen. Who are you to claim he didnt possess what he claims he possesses. The fact is, his possessions were stolen.
Think_Improvement_50@reddit
Fully legally.
At auction. By someone other than the one who didn't pay, you fucking liar. You know this.
You have not shown that his stuff was stolen. You're making shit up.
shoesofwandering@reddit
Fischer was bat-guano crazy and a card-carrying member of the Nozzy Party. It would be like asking if we should “revisit” what the Westboro Baptist Church says about gay people.
wreshy@reddit (OP)
Well, this is what Ive always ``heard`` but after now seeing his actual words, coming out of his actual mouth, I see pure sense and truth.
Think_Improvement_50@reddit
There is absolutely no evidence for the bullshit he claims lol
wreshy@reddit (OP)
I gave you the evidence...
Think_Improvement_50@reddit
No you didn't. You admitted there wasn't any lol
wreshy@reddit (OP)
Evidence that his possessions were stolen was provided.
If youre asking for evidence of the details of his PRIVATE possessions, well that is just ludicrous IMO.
Think_Improvement_50@reddit
No, evidence that his storage unit bill wasn't paid so its contents were auctioned off was provided. That's not theft.
It's a ludicrous claim, so it requires good evidence, bud. If I sue you, the value of the thing I'm suing you about is my burden to prove. It's not ludicrous, it's extremely usual lol
Name a single super valuable thing in your unit Mr. Fischer
wreshy@reddit (OP)
The guy responsible for paying the bill failed to do so. It's called collusion.
They dont notify him or give him a grace period? They just sell his stuff?
Lol.
You can get technical if you want, but that's theft.
Except he didnt sue anyone.
Think_Improvement_50@reddit
You aren't even paying attention to your own sources. He says he did. He lost all of them. Probably because he's making shit up.
Bro, it's called an accident lol
The facility changed ownership and he didn't pay the new owners in time. It's not collusion. It's not a conspiracy. It wasn't theft.
If the contract didn't require notice or a grace period, no. They're in it to make money, and if they can make more money by selling your shit, they will lol
Again, your problem is capitalism, not "the Jews" (literally no evidence Jews were involved in that "theft" by the way)
wreshy@reddit (OP)
Not in regards to this case.
Pablo Mercado: ok. you don't plan any legal moves against them? against those who sold your memorabilia?
Bobby Fischer: What is this he said?
Pablo Mercado: Legal moves, like a case in court.
Bobby Fischer: You know, the Jews control the courts. What is your name, Mr. Mercado?
Pablo Mercado: Yes, Pablo.
Bobby Fischer: Yes, the Jews. Pablo, yeah Pablo. The Jews control the courts. It's just a charade they go through. It's Facade City, you know - Facade City. I've been involved in a number of law suits in America. Never got a penny, never got a stop order, never got nothing. I've been involved in about 5 or 6 lawsuits, about 5 cases throughout the years, never got a penny, never got any property back, never got a stop order, never got nothing man. I spent a lot of money, and I have all the documents, and I have all the justice on my side. It's a joke. The United States is a farce controlled by dirty, hook-nosed circumcised Jew bastards.
Think_Improvement_50@reddit
"suddenly forgets to pay"
It's telling that you have to lie about what happened to make your narrative seem more plausible. Fuck off. You're not even interested in the truth lol
Show me the cases where the "dirty, hook-nosed circumcised Jewish bastard" (definitely talking about Zionists there, right? Jackass) won in court. Find me the cases. It's public record. Let's see it.
LMAO that you believe this with literally zero evidence.
wreshy@reddit (OP)
1 & 1/2 hour interview with Bobby Fischer, let's let people decide for themselves whether or not he was ``crazy``
santacruisin@reddit
How the fuck was a Jew a Nazi.
speakhyroglyphically@reddit
Zionist control, not Jew. Yeah I know hes a Jew himself but so what. Accuracy on who and what the issue comes from here is paramount to keep reality on a 'very close' subject that actually has the capability to feed into Zionist "antisemitism" propaganda
wreshy@reddit (OP)
Zionist yes. But remember this distinction wasnt clear as it is now. (and even now they are battling to maintain the obfuscation - congress ruling that anti-zionism = anti-semitism). They purposefully conflate the 2 because they shield themselves behind Judaism. They use religion (Christian Evangelism too) as political tools.
So it is clear to me now that he, the actual Jew, was talking about Zionists, which have hijacked Judaism.
46668DS@reddit
Couldnt agree more! I put a list of vids together which exposes this!
Yaakov Shapiro Jewish Nationalism https://youtu.be/-I9O9RWqdgk?t=21m0s
What is a jew -> Herzl explanation of Jewish National Identity https://youtu.be/-I9O9RWqdgk?t=7m58s
South African president calls out apartheid in Israel https://youtu.be/emudV7MyGwo?si=vQVIITmycVb6cPIv
Miko Peled interview 52:00 the new jew 59:15 zionism replace judaism 1:23:38 zionism = dif. strain of nationalism 1:29:42 transformation https://youtu.be/yMsgA05VpQ0?si=VKInOMc49-R-bMsw
Zionism = Idolatry https://youtu.be/fruMJXp35So?t=18m
Ben Gurion's hypocrital/cynical use of religion to bolster claim to Palestine https://youtu.be/k-J2U1bcrSo?t=42m55s
True meaning of Indigenous https://youtu.be/FhlUFPpXIVo?si=tLfWg_vBqiM2rRAX
Ben Gurion racism https://youtu.be/xv_0JUBk3fI?t=9m25s
David Sheen - Messiah Mode https://youtu.be/eFl4U2NRJTg?si=bsQKSyQwIVZoRwWt
https://www.committinghighreason.com/fascist-influences-on-zionism/
wreshy@reddit (OP)
For your collection
Boardindundee1967@reddit
Essentially, Israelis are taught that they are the chosen people to inhabit what was previously an uninhabited and uncivilized land, they are taught that Palestinian Arabs are less than human, among other things like a major emphasis on Palestinian "terrorism" while well documented Israeli terrorism dating back to the 1940s is either glorified or minimized.
So it's not as likely as you would think that the average Israeli, let alone fundamentalist settlers or Zionists even care to look at what their government is doing to Gaza or the West Bank, or if they do know they shrug it off.
The other angle is that of censorship and information control. Here's a timely article on that topic, and I think you will get the gist of how this is nothing new at all in Israel. https://theintercept.com/2023/12/23/israel-military-idf-media-censor/
wreshy@reddit (OP)
``the biggest challenge is to fill as many operational goals as possible & as quickly as possible, before international political pressure requires the country to halt its campaign. This determines how much breathing space the world gives us to continue hitting our targets. This is where Hasbara (their word for propaganda) comes in. Hasbara gives us time and gives us legitimacy to act and protect ourselves.``
``Social media is an instrument to apply pressure on conventional media. That's the name of the game these days.``
- IDAN ROLL
Former Deputy Foreign Minister of Israel
``...a quote by Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Israel ... the public opinion in the US is the most powerful weapon that the IDF has, or Israel has...''
...it immunes us and enables us to do many things that in my opinion are bringing to our social destruction``
- Ex IDF
Full Interview:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37MFa7ZKQWo quote @21:35
wreshy@reddit (OP)
Their whole identity is based on being persecuted/victims. It's pretty mind-boggling.
Boardindundee1967@reddit
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation_(film)
the film argues that raising "Israelis to define themselves as a nation of victims...is a disservice to modern complexities — and, not coincidentally, makes it almost impossible to see any other people as victims.
46668DS@reddit
Many thanks!
ExtHD@reddit
Video: Former Israeli politician says anti-Semitism accusation a "trick" to deflect criticism of Israel
ExtHD@reddit
Video: Former Israeli politician says anti-Semitism accusation a "trick" to deflect criticism of Israel
ExtHD@reddit
I have to disagree. Zionists are subordinate to Jewish Supremacists (Not all Jews, only the supremacists amongst them). The non-Jewish Zionists are not in control of anything. That's an illusion.
Wordshark@reddit
Oh that’s actually a good point. Are you sure it’s true though? When I think about non-Jewish zionists I think about, like, neocon foreign policy.
ExtHD@reddit
I would have to say that I'm 99% sure.
santacruisin@reddit
If Zionists are Jews then he is technically still correct, if you are hung up on technicalities.
Wordshark@reddit
Not all zionists are Jews though, not even close to all
santacruisin@reddit
That’s right, thanks for the clarification and food for thought. Wild that so many Zionists are Christian.
shoesofwandering@reddit
He lived in Iceland, a country inhabited by Culdee Irish until the Vikings stole it.