Question about whats happening in WA

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Beachstacks@reddit

I live in Florida on the East Coast. The amount of Washington state, Colorado and Cali plates here is staggering. I hope they don't bring their voting habits with them.

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Fun-Attention1468@reddit

Because unlike the left, we have jobs

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This is a good, "ha ha" line but 68+% of the US GDP comes from the liberal biden voting parts of the country. So perhaps a bit less "They don't have real jobs" nonsense is in order? They can out spend us to take our rights by orders of magnitude. Not sure how this pretending they are just welfare babies bullshit helps.

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Fun-Attention1468@reddit

You do realize that members of the right live and work in blue states, yes? Ghettos of cities and college towns do not contribute nearly as much as the blue and white collar areas.

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Soggy_Bottom_Bob@reddit

Ya know the left have jobs too right? Or do you just lump all left leaning folks into unemployed status?

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MrAnachronist@reddit

From what I can tell, anti-gun protests are usually populated by college kids, older (likely retired) and professional protestors who are paid to be there. So while people on the “left” often have jobs, the people protesting for gun control are likely jobless or paid protester.

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Soggy_Bottom_Bob@reddit

Soooo not everyone on the left then. Noted.

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MrAnachronist@reddit

No, just the ones that are relevant to our discussion. Honestly I don’t know why you think this is such a gotcha. Every time a broad statement doesn’t include every single outlier, you guys pounce on it. It’s a distinction without a difference. Obviously some people on the left have jobs, however, in the context of protesting for gun control vs. against gun control, it appears as though protesters for gun control are unemployed, or employed to protest. Demographics support this. People on the right are less likely to go to college, so they are less likely to spend their youth protesting because they are working instead of attending college. Similarly, notice that most gun owners are men, while most gun control protestors are women, in the United States, men work 2 years longer on average than women do. I was unable to find data on retirement age vs political affiliation, but I bet that widens the gap. So it’s safe to say that 64 year old women are more likely to be retired and protesting than a 64 year old man. Finally, I’m unaware of any pro-gun organization that pays people to protest gun control, while anti-gun organizations like the demanding moms have a strong corporate structure to do exactly that.

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ee-5e-ae-fb-f6-3c@reddit

> anti-gun organizations like the demanding moms have a strong corporate structure to do exactly that. Can you go into more detail about this?

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MrAnachronist@reddit

I hope you like reading tax forms: Moms demand action is a part of the Everytown for Gun Safety organization which is funded by the “Everytown for Gun Safety Action Fund Inc.” and the “Everytown for Gun Safety Support Fund Inc.” It’s a little tricky to tease out what organization does what because their finances appear to be intertwined, but in 2020 they spent about 11.4 million dollars on salaries and wages. https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/261598353 https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/208802884

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ee-5e-ae-fb-f6-3c@reddit

Thanks, I hate tax forms, but I'll make an exception this time. Thanks for sharing.

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MrAnachronist@reddit

I would take weeks of effort by somebody knowledgeable about corporate law to fully connect the dots on this organization, but suffice to say, for a “grassroots” organization, they sure spend a lot of money on employees.

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Soggy_Bottom_Bob@reddit

It's not a gotcha. Just sick of people lumping everyone together. It's bullshit and they know it.

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Possible_Economics52@reddit

This was one of the biggest pains in the ass with killing the AWB here in CO. Had to take time off from work to schedule a testimony for the hearing, then they changed the time/date that week, couldn’t get the time off again, and had to submit written testimony, which is never read. Don’t know how 600+ folks were still able to show up and tell this tyrants to go pound sand, but thank fuck they were.

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revodkkuf@reddit

they voted for it. they got it. what’s the issue?

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More_MP5s@reddit

The Constitution for almost half the people that didn't vote for it.

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revodkkuf@reddit

don’t care, doesn’t affect me

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ee-5e-ae-fb-f6-3c@reddit

Then why the fuck did you bother opening your trap?

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revodkkuf@reddit

because people keep bitching about shit like this. you voted for it, so you get it. what the hell is the issue?

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ee-5e-ae-fb-f6-3c@reddit

Do you vote? Do you know how voting works? Seems like you don't. Let's pretend you have two candidates for your district. Candidate A fucks babies, candidate B only eats human shit. You're not a monster, so you vote for candidate B. Candidate A might fuck babies, but he's *really* charismatic, and the shit eater can't put a coherent sentence together. There are 100 people in the whole district you live in. You and 40 other people vote for candidate B, but the rest of the district votes for that baby fucker. You and a bunch of other people don't get what you want, because the majority didn't vote for the guy who eats human shit. Do that a couple times, and now you've got the House and Senate just *packed* with baby fuckers. Now it comes time for them to pass laws. They draft laws in two year sessions called a biennium. Part of the process for drafting these laws is public testimony. Now's your chance to tell those baby fuckers that they're doing the wrong thing, and you, the constituent who didn't vote for them, don't approve. They fucking ignore you and all your friends who showed up. Then they pass the laws they want anyway. Were you responsible for electing those baby fuckers in the House and Senate? No. Were you responsible for getting those laws passed? No. I hope this was informative. You don't always get what you want, even when you try to get it. You don't just fucking win by voting the right way. Just because some law gets passed in a state doesn't mean all or even half the state wanted it.

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revodkkuf@reddit

most people voted for it. so they got it. most people are happy. the end.

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ee-5e-ae-fb-f6-3c@reddit

> most people voted for it. so they got it. most people are happy. the end. You realize that the people complaining about the state of gun rights in Washington probably didn't vote their rights away, yet here you are bad mouthing them. If you ever wind up in a state where this happens, you'll understand what it's like to try to do something about the onslaught of gun control, and get fucked anyway, only to have uninformed mouth breathers blame you for voting your rights away, even though you didn't.

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Due-Net4616@reddit

That’s not how the US works. We’re a constitutional republic not a pure democracy where the majority gets to oppress the minority… at least we’re not supposed to be.

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revodkkuf@reddit

we’re SUPPOSED to be a republic. we’re not though.

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revodkkuf@reddit

we’re SUPPOSED to be a republic. we’re not though.

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tbrand009@reddit

If most people voted to ban being black, would that be ok too? What about all the black people who didn't vote for it? That's why our rights are supposed to be constitutionally protected, regardless of the majority. You're the epitome of Martin Niemöller's "Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."

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beetsdoinhomework@reddit

There are lawsuits against it. I think fpc and others.

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4d5ACP@reddit (OP)

Gotcha. That is a relief but still, I feel like everyone talks a big talk online about how we will defend our rights but then when they are taken they just take it like they can’t do anything about it

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Negative_Ad_2787@reddit

Gonna get some downvotes i bet but usually if there is a protest, a group of us show up in full rigs with rigs attached. Then that gets spammed as a militant movement or other twisted narrative. Best to sue imo

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Saint-Ecks-Isle@reddit

Or another group shows up to shut the protest down.

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Brufar_308@reddit

Fund the group that filed the lawsuit. Lawsuits take lots of money and that’s the goal of all these new laws that they know won’t hold up. But it will take time and money to beat them all in court. https://www.saf.org/category/legal/

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SaintPariah7@reddit

The problem is how our government has pacified the people and made actual protests virtually lawless chaos. We are like the Russians. Apathetic and hopeless and isolated

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MetalMedley@reddit

>everyone talks a big talk online Yes. People, espcially in safe states where they don't have to worry about this stuff, talk about how the founders would have been "stacking bodies" by now, but when it actually happens suddenly you realize that that's a quick way to ruin your whole fuckin life, if not end it. I'm not saying it's right. We should probably be more ready to take a stand for what we believe in. But that's the way it is.

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woofwooffighton@reddit

Protesting with guns isn't going to win people over. Protesting is the last ditch effort of people who've not been heard. Lawsuits against unconstitutional laws are more effective and just the right thing to do imo.

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MrAnachronist@reddit

Protests only work when the media supports the protest. In this case, the media is against gun rights, so any protest will be twisted by the media until it’s negative. Therefore, the most useful thing to do right now is not protest, support the court cases.

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MrAnachronist@reddit

Protests only work when the media supports the protest. In this case, the media is against gun rights, so any protest will be twisted by the media until it’s negative. Therefore, the most useful thing to do right now is not protest, support the court cases.

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beetsdoinhomework@reddit

We there certainly are challenges to it. yelling on Twitter that your upset doesn't do shit. And someone in Texas can't protest on Washington capital. But yea I hear what your saying. Best thing that people outside of WA can do is donate to fpc and goa.

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E63s_Buyer_in_NYC@reddit

What about protests?

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fudgepalestein@reddit

We have jobs and responsibilities

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clownworldzombie@reddit

People are to busy reloading ammo and loading magazines. That's just my guess idk.

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Czardia@reddit

Pathetic slaves will not stand up for their rights.

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hwb80@reddit

Armed revolution tough guy?

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KoolKidEight@reddit

wa resident here, walked into gun store that in 2019/2020 walls lined with nice ar builds for sale and such, went in to same store (same owners everything) bolt actions and shotguns only, with some pistols, its embarassing

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EcoBlunderBrick123@reddit

WA resident here. The ban has 60 models of rifles banned. AR15’s fall under the 60 models of rifles. Semi auto shotguns are banned too. The o my guns we can buy are bolt action/lever action rifles pump action shotguns and handguns.

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ee-5e-ae-fb-f6-3c@reddit

There are multiple lawsuits against HB 1240, and some of them are even well written. From what I hear, vocal pro gun activism in the state has died down a lot. Last two bienniums, we watched the Democrats, who have House and Senate majority, ignore reasonable amendments, make snarky and condescending commentary during legislative sessions, and then ram whatever they wanted through. It's been disheartening for a lot of people, who feel like their voices were heard and subsequently ignored, especially this who provided testimony during the public testimony period.

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DJ_DVORCECOURT@reddit

Place is a lost cause

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Stevarooni@reddit

It's no California, not just yet.

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FrancisOfTheFilth@reddit

It’s getting pretty damn close. Cali, Oregon, and Washington have pretty much all been reduced to communist states. They aren’t gonna stop there either, Idaho and the western parts of Montana have started to get hit by the liberal migrant wave.

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djvernon@reddit

I think it comes down to '"Lawsuits with very good prospects" greater than "protesting"'

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LandyLands2@reddit

None of us in Washington state that are pro 2A have an “oh well” attitude. That’s a false and unfair statement. Anti 2A has been the trend for our state for the last 15+ years. There have been many protests over the years. Protests don’t change anything in a state that is bluer than blue. How are you going to protest in a state like that when the “AW” ban was literally asked for by the Governor and Attorney General. You can’t reason with gun grabbers, especially when they’re backed by Everytown. Michael Bloomberg was literally sitting next Jay Inslee as he signed these bills into law. The arguments and testimony against these bills (both from representatives and citizens) were sound, backed by facts and eloquently delivered. None of it mattered and none of it changed the minds of the people backing these bills. They. Do. Care. It’s about money, control virtue signaling. That is what is important to them. Not rights. Also, any protests should have happened weeks, if not months ago. Not much is going to come of protesting a law that has already been enacted. That’s what lawsuits are for. That is how we “protest” at this point. The best we can do is donate money to the organizations fighting for us in court— because this is now a fight. Those organizations need our support as they fight on our behalf.

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Bandicoot-Select@reddit

I’ve always wondered the same. Seems like all we ever do is just pout on the internet and move on.

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