Canada or USA 2023 | TheaterFire

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djmanu22@reddit

Weather (HUGE pro, you cannot imagine how depressing is the winter in Canada until you live there), Salaries, lower taxes, more opportunities, paid in USD (being paid in CAD sucks).

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paulteaches@reddit

Mass shootings in the us.

What if you get cancer?

Medical bankruptcy is huge in the us.

Taxes aren’t lower in the us. That is actually a myth.

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Impressive-Shame6419@reddit

if you get cancer anywhere youre probably fucked

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advertsparadise@reddit

HALF OF WHAT YOU SAID IS A MYTH.

For cancer, it is easier to get a cancer appointment in USA and the wait time is shorter. Taxes are lower in US depending which state you move to

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Taxes are lower if you make less than $125,000-ish. For skilled, high-income earners, your taxes are absolutely higher in Canada. And it's not just income tax you have to consider. Federal, Provincial, GST, PST, carbon, corporate (that causes suppressed wages compared to the U.S.)...the list is endless when it comes to Canadian taxes.

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LoudSociety6731@reddit

You must be really fun to talk to at parties.

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paulteaches@reddit

I like to drink.

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Impossible-Penalty89@reddit

Damn can't even support like the ONE good thing about Canada and smoke?😂

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Marrymechrispratt@reddit

What about guns?

I've lived in the USA most of my life (lived in Canada for a few years). I've never experienced gun culture in either...

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bageraslayer@reddit

Only problem with US is guns

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No-Feature7417@reddit

Problem? Only for liberals, my dream is to live in USA and buy all the kinds of guns i can’t get in my shitty country

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KS_tox@reddit

Big no for Canada...this country is done

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travelking2023@reddit

Big Yes for Canada because of:

universal Healthcare covered by taxss
education covered by taxes
multicultural
beautiful, clean, safe
not politically polarized like USA
strong gun control. No mass shootings like USA

Cons:

jobs pay less BUT more work life balance
cold 🥶

Other than that Canada rocks!

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Helptohere50@reddit

dude is confused af

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Proper-Signal3958@reddit

You are not a Canadian . You don’t know what you talking about.

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Linotroy@reddit

Why? I'm curious about your opinion because a I'm planning to move there 😅

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KS_tox@reddit

Low salary, extremely expensive, bad healthcare. Some pros: free schooling, free healthcare but you will spend so much on housing that it will negate anything you will save on healthcare and school.

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MATPEHA@reddit

You just described Russia :D

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Character_Incident80@reddit

Russia is not extremely expensive. it's extremely cheap

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MATPEHA@reddit

With local salaries all things are expensive, even local food.

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nounours_l0l@reddit

minus the whole war thing going on...

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PictureWall1@reddit

Canada is about to provoke India into a full scale war

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Linotroy@reddit

Thank you!

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SwisschaletDipSauce@reddit

Also confirming what is said. You could try the East coast or Prairies but our future is bleak for middle class.

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tove_108@reddit

Seconding and confirming all of the above. It's a shitshow here

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DrJohnHix@reddit

Don’t listen to them, there are a lot of problems and it’s like the US light, but out of these two options I’d always choose Canada. “Bad healthcare” lol, it has his issues due to lack of funding, especially in Ontario, but at least its universal and free..

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KS_tox@reddit

You must be 20 years old or something... wait until you turn 40 and need to see a GI specialist or your wife needs to see an endocrinologist...

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paulteaches@reddit

Agreed.

I had a friend get cancer in the us. Not pretty.

Guns too

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uthrowithrow@reddit

You seem like you’re on a mission here.

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PictureWall1@reddit

🤡

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drasyI@reddit

Apparently the US is done as well.

https://www.reddit.com/r/OpinionCirckleJerk/s/TPSLKgK6pO

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Illustrious-Tree3164@reddit

I never go on Reddit. I am a Canadian. Personally I think that the big factor here is safety. I genuinely feel like here is safer than America. Which is a big factor. Very expensive. I was born and raised in Vancouver and moved about 4 months ago to Calgary. Alberta. Best province for life. Cheaper and not over saturated. But still expensive. Here is a Photo of outside. Canada is very beautiful that is one thing I miss about the west coast.

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sally_says@reddit

I live in Canada. Unfortunately the cost of living is very high, while salaries don't make up for it. Job opportunities are also significantly more sparse than the UK and US, at least for my industry anyway.

Yes, there is also a drug and homelessness issue, but I don't see it as being worse than what you'll find in the US.

That's my take anyway.

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Ninisini9540@reddit (OP)

I can't believe that Canada is at that level with a large number of homeless people and a drug problem sad

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Wader_Man@reddit

It's not. The number/ratio of poor in Canada is a fraction of the numbers in the US, even per capita. The Canadian welfare net greatly reduces the societal impact of poverty. Homelessness has gotten worse globally since the pandemic and Canada has not been immune to that, but Canadian poverty is luxurious compared to the American version of poverty.

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Proper-Signal3958@reddit

Canada has a higher homeless rate in per capita than USA . Per 10,000 people in Canada 62.5 are homeless but in USA per 10,000 people only 19 are homeless. Source: Wikipedia homeless rate by country. Stop telling lie to people.

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paulteaches@reddit

The us I read has no social safety net.

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Ninisini9540@reddit (OP)

Canadian poverty is luxurious compared to the American version of poverty.

I think you are right

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PictureWall1@reddit

Yep they’re good at marketing and anti US propaganda. They spin things to say that homelessness is a US problem and would never happen in the socialist paradise of Canada

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Ninisini9540@reddit (OP)

I really don’t understand why is allowed in reach states homeless , I will understand Brazil enormous number of homeless, but USA and whats the problem with Philadelphia I watched documentary and I’m it is extremely disgusted. Unbelievable

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Electrical_Apple_313@reddit

Brazil is also an incredibly wealthy country so I don’t see why they get a pass for homelessness

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nuddymale@reddit

How would homeless handle a winter in Canada. Would they not die from cold? I’m saying this as the shelters in USA don’t allow everyone. I also noticed no homeless out right when just visited Toronto (downtown), Eticoke, Oshawa area, Niagara Falls, and Whitby cities, and low amount of ghettos in comparison to USA. I would not choose Canada cause not a fan of freezing temps.

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Vinnypell@reddit

USA. Better wages,lower COL, better cities, nicer national parks system, cheap weekend getaways to the snow or the sun.

sincerely a Canadian

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paulteaches@reddit

Guns

Healthcare.

“Nuff said

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Jeanettikroketti@reddit

It really depends on where you live and what you do. If you land a good job with good healthcare in a safer city/area it’s fine. Moved from Germany to NYC this year and have always felt safe here.

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paulteaches@reddit

Wait until you get a $50k bill for breaking a bone.

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Thered_devil94@reddit

insurance for what stupiieee??

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itisrainingdownhere@reddit

Out of pocket maximums are usually low, definitely less than $5k a year. Even with the Obamacare plans, the highest it can be is $9k.

Most of my insured friends with normal employment have a maximum of $3k or so.

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Jeanettikroketti@reddit

Have you heard of health insurance? lol

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AbiesNo9689@reddit

A lot of jobs in the US Will supply you with health insurance and deduct it from your pay, you choose how much you want

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paulteaches@reddit

Medical bankruptcy?

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AbiesNo9689@reddit

No.

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LoudSociety6731@reddit

Is it really "nuff said?" Some people like guns. A lot of people have health insurance.

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paulteaches@reddit

Canada.

Healthcare

No guns

More polite people.

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Marrymechrispratt@reddit

Lol. From an American that lived in Canada:

Canadians are polite. Canadians are not friendly.

Americans are straightforward. Americans are the most friendly people on the planet (besides maybe Australians).

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Turbulent_Month_5538@reddit

American in Canada. I generally agree, but American friendliness is mostly superficial.

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Silly-Agent-6501@reddit

It’s difficult or close to impossible to have a conversation with a stranger waiting for the bus in Canada, they just aren’t interested.

Americans are more enthusiastic for sure.

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thesog@reddit

Canada doesn’t have anywhere near the gun violence issue the US does but just fyi guns are very much legal in Canada. In fact, Canada has one of the highest gun ownership rates in the world.

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Ninisini9540@reddit (OP)

Do you speak for someone particular place in canada please?

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statistics2020@reddit

My ranking among major (population wise) English speaking countries…if you have NO personal connection (family, friends, specific preferences/conditions):

(1) Australia
(2) UK
(3) US
(4) Canada

Australia to me seems to have the most holistic balance when it comes to the factors you mentioned (weather, healthcare, salary, rent, nature), but it is a rather far-away country to Europe and the American continents.

If you have no personal connection to either, but don’t want to live in Australia and…

want to be in closer proximity to European travel/lifestyle, go for the UK.
are in or aim to be in the “top” of your field; focused on opportunity and diversity, go for the US
speak or don’t mind learning French and/or love winter weather, go for Canada (personally I prefer Quebec)

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reverielagoon1208@reddit

You forgot NZ! I’d put it as number 2. I agree with your ranking though US and Canada are pretty interchangeable ranking wise

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Ninisini9540@reddit (OP)

Australia and NZ nice evening good, language English okay but to hot hot hot

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TheOneWhoDidntCum@reddit

AUS
NZ
UK
IRE
US
CAN

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senti_bene@reddit

How does Ireland come out on top of Canada and the US?

It has terrible healthcare system, terrible housing situation, gloomy weather almost year round, low incomes and high tax.

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paulteaches@reddit

Sources?

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PictureWall1@reddit

Lmao no. The US is number one

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TheOneWhoDidntCum@reddit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKAFlHQRcj0

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AbiesNo9689@reddit

All day !!!

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paulteaches@reddit

Most here wouid swap out three and four.

r/amerexit has a good take on this.

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Ninisini9540@reddit (OP)

Btw everywhere in Canada is obligatory in schools to learn French? I think that English is the main language and you can not prioritize French, what’s the really

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Ninisini9540@reddit (OP)

Pretty good answer! Thanks and appreciate

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Quagmire6969696969@reddit

Both countries are absolutely massive, many things will be completely different depending on the area.

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PictureWall1@reddit

Au contraire …. Canada is a tiny country with an economy that’s smaller than a couple of US states

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Quagmire6969696969@reddit

I'm talking about size.

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PictureWall1@reddit

I’m talking about girth

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TheOneWhoDidntCum@reddit

endurance wise Canada can't compete with USA

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daydreamingbythesea@reddit

USA. Unless you pull in a salary in the top 0.5% in Canada, your quality of life will be significantly better in the USA.

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paulteaches@reddit

Lol…until you get cancer and lose your house to medical bills.

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LoudSociety6731@reddit

Or you can just get health insurance.

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paulteaches@reddit

Lol. Agreed.

I am confused.

Every job I had in the us had health insurance.

I read on this very thread through that most plans have a $20k deductible and a visit to the doctor costs $100.

My insurance doesn’t work like that.

I thought I was a unicorn or something

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uthrowithrow@reddit

Wrong.

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Marrymechrispratt@reddit

I read on this very thread through that most plans have a $20k deductible and a visit to the doctor costs $100.

This is false. The ACA law says plans can't offer more than a $9,100 deductible for an individual, or $18,200 for a family. In reality, employers offer plans that are much better than this (even the marketplace offers exceptional plans if you opt for silver or gold).

For example, I pay $90/month for my plan, and $1600 for my deductible. This is a high deductible health plan, and I have a chronic disease. I pay maximum $4,000 annually for my healthcare, and I get to save $4,150 every year into an account is triple-tax advantaged (aka never taxed going in, never taxed for growth, never taxed coming out). If I invest, in 20 years that will more than pay for any healthcare I need when I'm old.

Employer-sponsored plans like this are common. Any competitive employer will offer them. And if you find yourself unemployed, COBRA or Medicaid can pick up the gaps.

I lived in Canada (British Columbia). Taking my U.S. salary, I owed $15,000 more for the same quality of life, considering taxes and Pharmacare deductible. And I got fewer drug options, and I had to wait 3 years for a primary care physician.

This is why there should never, ever be only 1 government option for healthcare. I'm an advocate for Medicare for all who want it. I'm an advocate for a multi-payer system with a public option. But limiting a heterogenous population like the United States to 1 single-payer government-run system is a recipe for disaster.

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PictureWall1@reddit

Canada is donkey fucked atm, so absolutely fuck a little not

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PictureWall1@reddit

Absolutely fuck a lutley not

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PictureWall1@reddit

Abso-fuck-alutely not

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PictureWall1@reddit

Phew 😮‍💨 got there in the end zone

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404Nuudle@reddit

Holy shit this gave me a good chuckle lmfao.

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Character_Incident80@reddit

Choose between two worst options :D

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paulteaches@reddit

What?

Canada is normal part of the Anglo sphere

The us is basically a third world country. I have read that on here numerous times

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LoudSociety6731@reddit

Wow. You read that on Reddit? There is definitely no bias in there, and people's opinions are always factually true.

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paulteaches@reddit

Why is that so common on reddit then?

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DerSturmbannfuror@reddit

Because Reddit and individual subreddits are self selecting and also because complaints are voiced more often than compliments or likes; it’s human nature

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paulteaches@reddit

Interesting.

One would think that European expats had visited the us prior to making that claim.

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DerSturmbannfuror@reddit

Visiting any nation on holiday will be a much different experience than living for a time in that nation and visiting Texas will be different experience than visiting New Jersey, wich will be a different experience than visiting Idaho.; those 3 American states are 1000s of kilometers from each other: One has a history of being a part of Mexico and briefly an independent country, one is one of the original 13 British colonies founded on the North American continent and share a border and influence of NYC, one is known for its potatoes and has a sizable number of ultranationalist groups, white supremacists

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paulteaches@reddit

You live in the states?

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DerSturmbannfuror@reddit

Ja

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paulteaches@reddit

I live in South Carolina.

There is a krogers 5 mins from my house with a huge organic section.

There is a small year round co-op farm market 5 minutes away.

I am always curious when expats say “you can’t get fresh food in the us”.

Where do they live?

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DerSturmbannfuror@reddit

I think what they are implying is that fresh food isn’t an option in Europe but the standard and expected whereas in the US, cheap processed food is the standard and for many the expectation but like many people, they are used to speaking in hyperbole. People are generally lazy which is y generalizations are oft voiced. Of course it doesn’t help that many don’t detail where there experienced were had because central Ohio is different from the Santa Fe suburbs which are different than Ft. Lauderdale, etc. anyway SLAVE UKRAINI

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Ninisini9540@reddit (OP)

Recommend the best option please

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Character_Incident80@reddit

Netherlands or UAE

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Electrical_Apple_313@reddit

UK or US. Neither Canada nor Australia.

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PictureWall1@reddit

Canada is going to get a helluva lot worse before getting a tiny bit better

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tove_108@reddit

Canada is a shitshow right now - major housing crisis (not just in cities, many towns as well), skyrocketing cost of living, cold climate (aside from BC but BC has a major drug epidemic/homeless problem), healthcare is the worst I've seen in my life, endless wait times, etc. Don't come here, trust me

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Ninisini9540@reddit (OP)

Oh really? Sed btw what is BC please i can not find on google

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Educational-Pay-2095@reddit

BC: British Columbia

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hahyeahsure@reddit

neither, especially with 2024 on the horizon

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HVP2019@reddit

For me the weather I can get in USA is a major factor

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recurrence@reddit

Canada has an extraordinary housing problem that has really been a ball drop for over a decade by all levels of government. There is a very long road ahead to dig out of that and immigrants are increasingly abandoning the country because they literally cannot afford to live there.

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Voivode13@reddit

How can we compare, let's say, French-speaking Montreal with a winter temperature of -10 degrees and Miami?