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neutralpoliticsbot@reddit

No Chevy is worth that much

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TheKatzMeow84@reddit

For virtually any american car, especially a corvette, not a chance in hell to justify that price on my mind.

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MichiganKarter@reddit

Fastest American combustion car ever made, with an immense GM engineering effort behind it. Most of those options are themselves rare. If any C8 Corvette appreciates, it will be one like this - look for it in a Barrett-Jackson auction in thirty years.

xxrambo45xx@reddit

So...I used to work as a younger guy in a heavy equipment assembly facilty, there's some method to that madness, for example...most of what we made was 4x4, but on a random occasion we would get an order for a 2 wheel drive, nothing stopped the line faster than that, it sounds easier...it is easier, but the line was always ill equipped ( missing parts etc) and it would always cause 2+hrs of downtime before that equipment rolled off the line, I believe ordering options that are different than the normal are making you pay for slowing down assembly more than you're paying for a better or lesser part

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Roast_A_Botch@reddit

You definitely have a great point, mass production makes homogenization king, and is why so many products with multiple price points are the exact same thing with software locks on the lower tiers.

Okay bud. lol. I’m sorry it upsets you but what I said before is a fairly common understanding within economics in regards to manufacturing.

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Radumami@reddit

it’s going to cost more

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JSTUDY@reddit

So...at this price, you'd look into a base model version of a car with a smaller engine, is more expensive to maintain, is more difficult to maintain, is slower in a straight line, is slower around a track, has worse ride quality, has zero features, but has a nice fitting interior over a completely loaded, carbon fiber z07? To each their own.

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ajh1717@reddit

is slower around a track

Entirely track dependent. The fact that there is no official 'ring time despite Chevy testing the car there says something. The best unofficial time the z06 has there is 7:12, which would not be faster than the GT3.

The GT3 has also proven itself over the years. The engine/cars are basically bullet proof for normal use. Even for track use they are insanely reliable. You can easily drive it to a track, swap the rims/tires for a track set, track it for the day then drive home without any concern. Z06 reliability in that sense (and long term) is yet to be seen.

If you want to race a spec sheet you get a nicely specced GT4RS and save like 10-20k over a fully loaded z06.

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Mutant_Walrus@reddit

991 GT3 engines have entered the chat*

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TooDank4me3@reddit

I have never seen same race car driver test both on same tire and Corvette not being significantly faster. Like more than a second.

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BendtnerOrBust@reddit (OP)

Idk what I would do at this point. The pro-corvette crowd has made valid points. I’m going to spec the hell out of a Porsche tomorrow just for comparison sake. Which model should I use as the comparison?

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JSTUDY@reddit

Depends on what you're going for.

MSRP of the 2024 3LZ Corvette with the z07 package and carbon fiber ground effects comes out to $148,830.

BendtnerOrBust@reddit (OP)

My mind has been opened by this post. I fund myself agreeing with the people saying this is a decent purchase and I did not go into it with that mindset.

I’m going to option out a 911 tomorrow and post the results just for fun. What trim is a fair comp? GT3 RS seems unfair? Is a GT3 fair?

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poopoomergency4@reddit

i saw someone comparing this to a GT3 and on-paper that's probably the closest competitor.

realistically though, this is going to be way easier to actually get than a GT3, you'd need to give your wife to the porsche dealer to get the allocation and a kidney for the ADM and wait a year to actually get the thing.

That's why I said depending on location, we've got 2 Porsche dealers and one is bare minimum while the other has a tremendous service team. Chevy wise there's 2 out of the dozen that are great at what they do.

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smokinbbq@reddit

You can knock $2,700 off of the price if you don’t do museum delivery

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tduncs88@reddit

Good lord. Double in a day. That's fucking stupid. And that's the problem. People wanna WEAR the shoes. And they get stuck paying obscene prices and it makes them even question being able to enjoy the damn things.

I wish you the best of luck. Hopefully you can snag our of those pairs for a deal at some point. Always gotta keep looking

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reefer_drabness@reddit

Oh I didn't get the Tightbooth. I'm not Elon Musk over here. I can't afford two pairs amonth, let alone two pairs a day.

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dcormier@reddit

I'm so sick of everything being turned into a commodity to profit off of these days.

Me too.

It's irritating and fucks with to many markets.

It sure does. Very important ones.

RIP personal home ownership.

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tduncs88@reddit

RIP personal home ownership

I'm 35 and have given up hope that I'll be a homeowner. Maybe it will be plausible one day but I'm not going to count on it anymore.

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Hrmerder@reddit

Yeah GM guys are gonna be like 'guh.. it's a CHEVY!' but yeah I agree. This is not a good time to gauge if a car that has already had a history of being cheap made and with problems inherently and also almost 200k will keep it's value in 10 years considering within 10 years time, ICE vehicles will be mostly replaced on new car lots with Electric equivalents that will smoke an ICE vehicle without getting anywhere close to the issues an inherent ICE vehicle has..

A Porsche yes! Because they always have held value and always will. Nobody has any idea if the Z06 will be worth $300k in 10-20 years due to it's iconic style and 'last of it's ICE breed' credentials, or if it's going to be seen in 10-20 years as a crappy old relic that is hard to find fuel for and a $40k sedan in the future can outrun with a software update and look just as cool while taking 5 minutes to recharge and go 500 miles. We just don't know that..

With the EV movement, really nobody even knows what a Porsche will be worth in 20 years. They could become worth millions to be displayed in museums across the world, or they could end up worth their weight in aluminum and steel. Or it could be an arch one way or the other.

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jessecraftbeerco@reddit

You could pay 192k and have this car completely built to your spec, or pay 300k for a used one. I’m taking the vette. It would be completely different if I could walk in and order a gt3 but it doesn’t work like that

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ajh1717@reddit

Where are you walking in and placing an order for a z06 at MSRP with a guaranteed delivery?

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jessecraftbeerco@reddit

They are making over 8,000 Z06’s a year. People are paying over msrp right now but that won’t last with these kind of production numbers. I could probably order one soon at the same dealer I ordered my c8 at.

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ajh1717@reddit

Porsche sells over 10,000 911s every year in the US, yet that doesn't stop most dealers from charging a markup. Hell dealers right now are trying to charge markups on generic every day vehicles like camrys and rav4s, some of the most mass produced vehicles in literally the world.

The only dealer that is going to sell a z06 at MSRP is a dealer that is going to sell it at MSRP regardless of "market value", which is going to be the same as Porsche. I paid MSRP for my spyder and my GT3 will be at MSRP as well, so it is possible. Also the spyder was without any previous relationship or nonsense where they want you to buu other cars as well. Not the norm but it is possible

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Taureg01@reddit

Which you aren't getting at base price

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DaddyCardano@reddit

When it loses to every performance metric except for the one track that the car is specifically designed for 💀💀💀.

Gotta love badge snobs. People who basically think they know everything about these cars yet can't afford either so they base their opinions on the brand image. Not blaming you, you have no choice.

And the CPO 991 and 992 GT3s are also premarked up as well since the markup for those cars were so high brand new off the lot.

Well this 1 of 1 Corvette was built in the year 2023 with leather seats and rwd so that's why it's so expensive.

but GM offering this vehicle at this price point baffles me

—Literally adds every possible option to make the car as expensive as possible

I said MSRP with some discounting, and it's on the front page of their site. I know several people in our Corvette club that have bought their Z06's from these guys and they have all gotten them at a discount.

Lower_Kick268@reddit

A good dealer wont, you can get them for MSRP if you go to a good dealership and get on their list.

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ItsHowWellYouMowFast@reddit

There are no good dealers. Theyre all crooks. Folks don't become a GM at a stealership because they're good people

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tokyo_engineer_dad@reddit

It’s such a dumb post… When you add the ACTUAL options like the Z07 performance package with carbon fiber ground effects, and this adds some CRAZY awesome shit like magnetic suspension and carbon ceramic brakes, it’s $154k which is only about $20k more than the base price for the Z06 3LZ or whatever convertible. Half the price of a 911 GT3.

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BendtnerOrBust@reddit (OP)

In another comment I explained that I added every option, hence fully spec’d. You can knock $2,700 off for options that aren’t directly attached to the vehicle. In the description I mentioned most people won’t add the carbon bits and carbon wheels, which are another ~$34.3k. So you could round it down to $155k. Still crazy numbers to me for a Z06.

AMG GTR - 2:43.4 (Starts at $157k)

911 GT3 RS (992) - 2:40.6 (Starts at $181k)

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dangerzone1122@reddit

Look, I’m not gonna say the corvette can’t corner, because that’s fucking stupid to say. But VIR has a ton of straight/strait bits for its length.

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DummyThicccThrowaway@reddit

VIR is one of the most technical tracks in the world, and definitely in the states. Are you forgetting that Nordschleife has the longest straight of any track in the world too?

Pretty much every racecar are on the Döttinger Höhe just sitting at their own top speed for many moments

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ajh1717@reddit

The fact that the z06 has no officially posted/released 'Ring time is telling.

The car is fast and a great value for money, but the best unofficial time the z06 has at the 'ring is around 30 seconds slower than the current GT3. That was driven by Chevy albeit they didn't have the track to themselves.

Could you shave off time without traffic? Sure. ~30 seconds worth? Ehh doubtful.

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sleepinglucid@reddit

As far as I'm aware, and please correct me, the Corvette hasn't even broken into the 6's at Nordscheife. It's still sitting at 7:13.

That's a full 30 seconds behind the GT2 RS.

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Scoutron@reddit

The C8 Z06 hasn't seen a lap publicly on the Nürburgring, so I'm going off of VIR, since a lot of cars, including the C8Z, have put times down there.

On the Nordschleife, the 991 GT2 RS put down a 6:58, and the C7 Z06 put down a 7:13.90. The C8 has it's work cut out for it, but it's possible. All I know is it wins in VIR from what I can see.

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sleepinglucid@reddit

Ok cool, thanks for checking me on that! I did some googling and went off what I found but wasn't sure. Appreciate your input.

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Scoutron@reddit

Trust me I get it. I doubt it beats the 2RS on the Nordschleife, but it surprisingly wins on tighter tracks. What I’m really interested in is how that $300k mustang will so

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kimbabs@reddit

Yeah, this guy’s acting like it’s a base corvette or that it’s a base trim Z06. Last I checked, even the base Corvette is 70K starting still, which is still a bargain.

You can get the Z06 as a convertible for 120K. The Z06 is basically super car performance for 1/3 the price. The engine alone is incredibly special. 95% of people do not buy the fully optioned and highest trimmed version of anything lmao. You can buy 50K Rav-4’s and Priuses with that logic.

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hahaKels@reddit

Thank you. I get the “it’s just a corvette” bias, but honestly it’s a modern supercar for a pretty damn competitive price.

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How is 155 crazy in this market? It's a mid engined top modern monster of a car, with track performance that rivals cars double the price. This isn't a simple muscle car with a big engine anymore.

155 won't get you anything close to that performance stock and brand new. A 911 S isn't on the same level. You would need to go to GT models, and they're much much more expensive. The closest ferrari or Lambo would be 300+. An R8 v10 is 220+. Same story with the AMG GT and even the SL 63. I dont know what other comparables there are, NSX? M8? Mclarens?

There's simply isn't anything to rival that pricepoint. There's also the problem of availability. It's pretty much impossible to buy a high porsche model, any Ferrari, and any Lambo nowadays. Wait times are 2-3 years minimum if you're not a well-known customer . This has the effect that these cars are actually worth more than their MSRP, while a Cayman GT4 RS might be close to the Vette in price, i Challenge anyone to find a new one for (or below) MSRP in these times.

It's like comparing watch prices and using Rolex's MSRP in the equation. In practice, It's a moot point because the minute that watch walks out of the dealers door, it's worth a lot more. The average joe simply can not buy them from an AD. While a comparable Omega or Breitling will lose a significant amount once its out the door.

Now, if you're complaining that the market is high overall, i agree. But that's a different topic, and the Vette shouldn't be singled out.

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BendtnerOrBust@reddit (OP)

Detailed response. I wasn’t trying to knock the vette but there is a definite stigma here based on responses. I personally couldn’t justify this purchase. But a couple people have said they would and that was the main reason I asked the question.

It does also point out, as you mentioned, how absurd the market as a whole has become.

I guess the point for me on this topic is the responses are all over the board but I think the wise heads are saying if you skip a few of the silly aesthetics it actually is a great purchase.

Some people in here think it’s extremely over priced. Others say go find a comparable model from a European manufacturer and come back to me. I know you can’t. That was the point. So even at $172k it still is a track monster that is sadly priced fairly in this out of control market. And that’s assuming you can even get one without a wild markup.

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timmyboyswede@reddit

The stigma is because people still think "its just a vette". Thats the challenge they accepted when making this car, it will take some time for people to acknowledge its not just a Muscle car with a big engine and nothing else to justify its legitimacy. The mustang is going trough the same issues nowadays. At the higher models, Ford has made a respectable car with almost all of the fix-ins and gizmos of the m4s and AMGs, but the perception is still "just american muscle". It will take a couple of generations for that to dissipate imo.

I for one couldnt justify the purchase simply because of the market of new cars at the moment. I can't help myself not to look at lightly used and if im spending 150k+, you know damn well im getting what I truly want, even if that means im getting a 4 year old car.

But if were strictly talking new cars, in the category, the Vette is unmatched in my opinion. And if I had to make the choice for some reason, i would pick it over the rivals at the pricepoint.

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YJeezy@reddit

Only a special buyer will ever do something like this. 992GT3 fully spec'd is almost $250k before ADR. I wouldn't get his, but something like this is for the absolute fanatic.

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Slideways@reddit

And you can add more than the base MSRP of a Z06 onto a GT3Rs if you want to as well. Some people want to customize their vehicle from the factory. Chevrolet would be stupid to not take that money if the market is there.

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C&D and other internets show the ‘24 base coupe Z06 around $114k. Anyone getting a Z06 is getting it for the motor, and $114K gets you that motor - which runs with the fastest exotics made spare a few.

you're kinda, not talking about anything relevant to what I replied to, or my comment. the guy i replied to is specifically talking about these models being half the price of a fully loaded vette, ie. op's example... so i'm not sure what any of your point is.

Suburban can only get to $100k with dealer installed accessories

Nobody is buying those $3500 front brakes

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akmjolnir@reddit

I would be stupidly happy with the lowest-tier Corvette with a manual gearbox.

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hyteck9@reddit

You can buy a C4 manual for like $2,500 these days

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akmjolnir@reddit

I meant new, but yeah, an old Vette with a manual would be fun too.

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pastafariantimatter@reddit

go get a CT4-V Blackwing and get it tuned

I've had one for over a year and range anxiety faded very quickly, the software is good enough that you'd have to be an idiot to run out of range, even in the harshest of winter conditions (newer models with heat pumps help dramatically).

I can't overstate how nice it is to never have to go to gas stations.

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I bought my '23 C8 with the z51 option and paid 72k for it. There are some minor fit and finish issues as well some peculiar ergonomics. I've driven German almost exclusively for decades so you get a bit spoiled, particularly on the fit/finish/ergonomics front. So while these minor things are annoying on the C8, I have to remind myself that (brand new) it is a $72,000 supercar, this is almost objectively a truth and my mind can't be changed.

GM knocked it out of the park with this car. Most people that I've encountered that talk about 718s (and ???) being much better have not driven a C8 for a meaningful amount of time. If you're coming to conclusions based on your perceptions and ideas on it without driving one you are really missing out.

I'm not a fanboy and have avoided purchasing American made cars for roughly 20 years.

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Radumami@reddit

CT4-V Blackwing

never a cadillac again. thx.

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guisar@reddit

Also CT4V is 6 speed.

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Scared_Consequence78@reddit

Didn’t know this!! That makes it WAY more worth it.

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BendtnerOrBust@reddit (OP)

Agreed, but the sheer size and cost of materials for those SUVs and their ability to haul people and stuff on and off road makes the purchase a lot more understandable.

This car is purely for flash and a casual car observer probably wouldn’t notice the difference from a base model $68k Stingray.

From where I’m standing, it looks like it has track performance at the level of a gt4rs. I might be wrong, but I think it’s unrealistic to obtain a similarly performant, similarly loaded Porsche for anywhere in this price territory. GT3/gt4 msrps are higher to begin with and that’s not counting adm’s.

As someone who’s sold Corvettes and owns a 911, your comments are laughable.

Corvettes best selling point was bang for buck. It’s build quality and performance aren’t in the same league as a 911, sorry facts are facts.

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nickmightberight@reddit

I didn’t compare the two. And, I’ll say it again, the C8 is a different animal than the previous corvettes you sold.

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gabeitaliadomani@reddit

Because it’s mid engine? An improvement, but the real value that a Corvette had WAS the performance per buck…. Handling, build quality, part quality…. not on par with other 200k cars…. just not…

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No. This build makes no sense. It’s a weird ego trip. No one orders this car that way. Order the parts/options that make sense. For some odd reason, people tend to order cars with options that don’t make a damn bit of difference with how they actually use the car. My example: I have a close relative that has a 2021 coupe. Im going to buy it from them. It is an LT2 with the performance exhaust. So, you get the max horsepower. No Z51, but all that gives you, in reality, are suspension bits that I will never touch because I will never track the car. I know it’s tempting to max out on performance, but why? It will never be used. Investment reasons? Maybe. But I’m not looking to sell this car at Barrett Jackson in 20 years. I want to drive it now.

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BendtnerOrBust@reddit (OP)

Outside of aesthetic carbon options I’m not sure I follow the “makes no sense” part. The rest of the options are either weight reduction via functional carbon components or performance/track packages. If you plan to actually drive this car on a track you’d definitely benefit from that.

If you don’t plan to do that and aren’t in the market for something with this much power then yes, of course you should save the money and buy the Stingray. Add a few options and your choice of paint and stickers…. but that’s an entirely different scenario.

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nickmightberight@reddit

Start adding these things on to a 911 and see what the price is. This is an unfair comparison. And you never said this would be a track car…..

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BendtnerOrBust@reddit (OP)

I put all of the track options on it… that was kinda the point lol. But I think I actually will do it tomorrow and post the results because a bunch of people keep asking for a comparison. Everyone knows it’ll be absurd. I don’t think the GT3 is a fair comparison though.

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nickmightberight@reddit

Me either. What do you think is the best comparison?

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BendtnerOrBust@reddit (OP)

718 Boxster GTS 4.0 starts at $97k.

718 Cayman GT4 RS starts at $161k.

718 Spyder RS starts at $161k.

911 Carrera GTS starts at $151k.

911 Carrera 4S starts at $139k.

I don’t think any are a perfect comparison but it has to fall on one of those right?

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prosciaa116@reddit

Couldn’t have said it better myself. I’ll die on the hill that vettes always punch above their weight and to deny that is just willful ignorance.

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Gigglesnuf89@reddit

Lol I usually checkout the market everyday at work just cuz I like cars

The fact that I saw a 2005 honda s2000 BASE MODEL With over 50k miles for sale at 38k asking price I sat there going wtf...I can buy a new chevy malibu for that at 18k with less miles and honestly more HP than the S2000 has. Only difference is aftermarket parts...

But if an 05 s2000 is going for 38k...wtf is wrong with the dealership these days. Just had a coworker finance a new Toyota tundra for like 80k..dafuck lol

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hipsterasshipster@reddit

Comparing an S2000 to a Malibu purely based on horsepower 😂

So the answer is it doesn’t /s

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kpflynn@reddit

I have an MSRP build allocation coming up that I may just cancel. The car I’d want to spec out is nearly $150,000 and since I already have a GT4 I think I’d rather wait for the inevitable depreciation. GM is going to churn these out and will probably mimic the depreciation curve of the C7Z.

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A mid engine car is always going to be the preferred set up for weight distribution and other performance metrics, I understand why they did it. It’s just a very stark change from the Corvette platform since its inception.

I’m not appalled, it was just sticker shock. Some Corvettes historically didn’t have the best build quality and they couldn’t handle a track like their European counterparts. There’s also still a definite stigma in the replies here about the brand/model, whether that’s fair or not.

A lot of people have said, for what it is it’s a phenomenal car. A lot of people have also said they wouldn’t touch a Corvette in this price range and would go Porsche all day.

Are you saying you would buy an optioned Z06 instead, assuming you’re leaving some of the included options above off of the car?

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Daegoba@reddit

For $200K, I don’t think any production car would tickle me regardless of financial status. I just don’t get down like that. Having said that-I know plenty of guys that want the most performance for the money, and the Corvette is it.

I know you like Porsche-you’ve brought it up in every comment. Yet? Even they don’t have anything for the Z06, even at that price point.

https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a42387169/lightning-lap-2023/

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BendtnerOrBust@reddit (OP)

I brought it up bcz it’s the natural comparison and almost everyone else has come to that conclusion as well. I’m not fanboying either car. I agree though I don’t really think I’d get the value out of the vehicle at these price points, unless I’m enjoying them without destroying them.

So again, if I gave you the money tomorrow and you had to spend it on a performance car, would you take an option Z06 or look for something else? That was the whole point of the post.

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Daegoba@reddit

Me personally- I’m a HotRodder. I’d sink $200K into a custom before I’d buy a production car, so I’m not really the right person to ask. Let me put it this way: if I were to have a job as someone’s personal automotive performance manager, and they painted me into a corner using your requirements? Based on performance alone, I would bring home a Corvette every time. For style? Collectability? Exclusivity? Any other standard metric? It would probably be a different car given the attribute most important to the client.

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BendtnerOrBust@reddit (OP)

I’m with you here man. The people in the replies who have actually driven similar models and don’t seem to be biased are saying the C8 Z06 is actually well worth it and would smoke most of the competition. That was the objective answer I was hoping more people would give.

The majority of responses want brand prestige which is fine I guess. I do understand a lack of interest for European buyers though, with markups, transport, tax, etc the price point gets a little more blurry.

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BendtnerOrBust@reddit (OP)

“Fully spec’d”. I know I chose every option possible, I was just messing around bumping the price up as much as I could. But with the finished product I was curious if the market for it was in this sub.

Reactions are pretty black and white. Some people believe it is (minus a few of the silly options) because pound for pound, dollar for dollar, it may actually be the best track car available at the moment. Additionally the average person actually has a shot at acquiring one (albeit with a markup).

The rest of the crowd thinks it’s still an inferior American car still and would prefer an unoptioned Aston Martin, Porsche, McLaren, or a used Ferrari or Lambo. I haven’t read many opinions in between.

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I'm a Porsche fanboy, but there is no denying that Chevy has bested the big boys with the Z06. With that said, I wouldn't trade my GT3 for it for two reasons:

1) I love the raw driveability of the GT3

Convertible is a stupid choice.

Reduce stability of the frame and increase cost for what? To feel the wind and the sun?

If I wanted to be exposed to the elements while going fast, I'd buy a motorcycle, not a car. It'd be a hell of alot cheaper too.

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BendtnerOrBust@reddit (OP)

No one reads comments. Yes I know.

You decrease structural stability and increase weight. Thank you for your insight. The post said it was maximizing the cost of the vehicle. The convertible is more expensive.

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SonofRobin73@reddit

Yes, and your question is "can you justify the cost". My answer to that question is "no" because a convertible is a stupid choice. If it were that expensive because it was actually better, then maybe, but it's not, so no. What's the point of justifying maximized cost if that cost doesn't result in a better car? Your entire premise is flawed.

It's a lot of car for the money though... Carbon wheels, naturally aspirated 700 HP, 7300rpm redline, and you can get an oil change for under $500. I mean yeah it's expensive but it's not like they're completely ripping you off.

I know people are talking about getting a Porsche instead and for the money I'd probably do the same but this new Corvette moves different. You get into a base model zo6 and it's the fastest new car on the planet for the money.

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BendtnerOrBust@reddit (OP)

It’s kinda crazy isn’t it? The most difficult part of the Porsche is actually getting an allotment anyway, which is a complete crapshoot.

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mugdays@reddit

Doesn’t seem that expensive to me. Get your money up, player.

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BendtnerOrBust@reddit (OP)

You run contrary to most redditors but I don’t disagree with you.

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75w90@reddit

Bro base msrp is 105k. Those are options.

The c8 z06 is pinnacle of American engineering and its easy and cheap to maintain. Your Ferrari or Lamborghini isn't.

I think it's fantastic. It does what the exotics do but better and more reliably with easy serviceability in mind.

I've had a z06 of every generation. The only thing I'm sad about is lack of manual transmission.

I mean your subject might have baited that response, but the sales figures speak for themselves. The target market has spoken for every single vehicle in the entire production run years in advance. 🤷🏼

Anyhoo.

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BendtnerOrBust@reddit (OP)

The post wasn’t worded well, and my opinion on the subject has changed with the feedback I’ve received.

I’d get a lightly used Mclaren GT for $20k less

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Smitty_Oom@reddit

but GM offering this vehicle at this price point baffles me

ChangeAgentSupernova@reddit

No stick = No room in my garage

It’s coming down to Porsches and Miatas to the bitter end. And, I’ll be buying the last manual transmission model sold, or at least on of the last.

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BendtnerOrBust@reddit (OP)

Fiat 500X still offers a manual transmission. Very sporty.

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youra6@reddit

I really don't understand why this is a big deal. I can do this for nearly any car. New Darkhorse can be specc'd to be as much as a fully decked out C8 (90K+). The New WRX TR can easily go past 50K. And finally the new Nissan Z Nismo I just built out: 74K not even fully specc'd out. A fully loaded M3 is like 130K which is bonkers.

Yes, 190K is way too high of a price for a C8Z and nobody is going to buy this car with these optoons. This is far from an anomaly.

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BendtnerOrBust@reddit (OP)

I think it’s more just an exercise in what ifs and seeing how much manufacturers will let you throw at them from the from the factory. I just found it interesting. It wasn’t meant to be philosophical or deep.

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HorseCreekHoodlum@reddit

Yeah to accomplish a dream is priceless... ✌🏿💜🙏

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electriclux@reddit

What does a high speed run of options get to on an escalade

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BendtnerOrBust@reddit (OP)

You’re asking what’s most expensive spec you can make?

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TyburnCross@reddit

Gas Guzzler Tax - 12mpg town and 19 highway

Historically, Corvettes have no where near the level of quality and longevity that would justify a price tag anywhere near that.

They depreciate like crazy, and a lot of that has to do with the glut of them being built. Chevy will build asany Corvettes as get ordered.

The looks of this car are already dated, and in 20 years, no one will look fondly back and say 'boy that was a classic design'.

The C8 Vette is impressive, and offers a lot for the money, as long as that money is sub-$100k. It's a very very good mid-engined car that has a great powerful V8.

Beyond that, you're treading into Porsche territory, and your options get very exciting. Not only will a GT3 give a comparable driving experience, but it will be more reliable, and keep its resale value much, much longer.

Hell, for that money, you can snag a used GT3 AND a used Cayenne Turbo to tow it.

Or, just buy the lower end Vette, and take race lessons. $100k in lessons will make someone quite a driver.

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BendtnerOrBust@reddit (OP)

Initially I thought that, but go spec out a specialized GT3 and compare the price. This Corvette on a track isn’t like those of the past.

I do agree with you about the potential lack of exclusivity but by the same token, a lot of people have countered that with the fact that most people won’t be able to just go out and buy a GT3. The dealer relationship, past orders, mark ups, etc make it sound great in principle but very difficult to actually acquire.

We’re not talking used cars here either. This is off the lot with no miles and the full warranties from the respective companies.

I’m not saying you’re right or wrong, I just went into the post thinking I’d reaffirm my beliefs but I can see the argument on both sides now.

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chauggle@reddit

It's a very good car. It's not a $200k good car. Too many of those out there to make the case for a Corvette.

Hell, skip a GT3. That's a race car, and terrible on the street.

Buy a 911 Turbo. $197,200. Add nothing. You've got twice the car. Eye-watering performance, style, comfort, heritage, and quality.

McLaren GT - $208k. Arguably more refined. That said, while it's considered special, they are also depreciation nightmares. 1st year, divide by 2.

Lots of people ended up trading in their Corvettes for 911s. Not many went the other way. Yes, that was before, this is now.

But you'd be wrong in thinking you could just walk into a Chevy store and walk out with one of these at sticker, too. Domestic dealers are worse for markups than any import.

HappySkullsplitter@reddit

A base Corvette convertible is $76,995

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BendtnerOrBust@reddit (OP)

Different engine, lacks track packages and the carbon wheels. The extra bits that are non-performance did add like $30k but compared to the cost for Porsche options it’s a pittance.

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HappySkullsplitter@reddit

I hope GM doesn't forget why the Corvette has endured as long as it has

It's supposed to be the financially attainable sports car

All those people who know they'll never afford a Ferrari or a Lamborghini in their lifetimes could at least have hope when they look at a Corvette and think to themselves...

"Maybe I could swing that one day..."

If GM forgets that, it will be the end of the Corvette

Who even cross shops Corvettes and anything European?

I'm all for GM trying to improve product quality with the Corvette, but this idea that they're going to turn the Corvette into something that is going to compete in the marketplace with a company like Ferrari is ridiculous.

Corvette will never be the prestigious status symbol Ferrari is even if the Corvette is spanking Ferrari on the racetrack.

Corvette is supposed to be the value sports car, and it still is, even more so now at least in its base form.

In 1995 the C4 convertible had a base MSRP of $44,835.00, in today's money that's $90,514.63

Considering the current base convertible costs $76,995.00, it's a $13,519.63 better deal than it was in 1995 and undeniably much better quality than the C4

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BendtnerOrBust@reddit (OP)

I agree with your concern but I don’t think the base model Corvette that is the attainable dream car will ever die. It has its market.

The challenge for GM is now they have made a bona fide beast to challenge the big baddies but because it looks like the base model it gets knocked.

I didn’t say I did. I don’t hate it tho. There’s something with the back end that always looks off can’t put my finger on it.

It's about 80,000 less and does the same times as a z06. It's got an electric motor in the front making it awd at low speeds. It is heavier though. 0-60 in 2.5 sec

Not disagreeing with you at all. Even with the carbon options and museum delivery and whatnot, I don’t know if there’s a better option at the price out there. 80% of responses are a firm no, it’s not worth it tho lol.

Gonna post a Porsche for these guys tomorrow that’s optioned to hell so they can get a feel for what else is out there. What model/trim should I pick for the fairest comparison?

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Jules040400@reddit

Surely you just get the car delivered with the cheapest lug nut option, then buy a real nice set for a hell of a lot less money

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BendtnerOrBust@reddit (OP)

But those wouldn’t be a “Genuine Corvette Accessory”. /s

I'm gonna pay it off with the winnings I get from all the races I compete in.

/s

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BendtnerOrBust@reddit (OP)

Seems low risk, low leverage. Rooting for you.

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BendtnerOrBust@reddit (OP)

“Fully spec’d”. I know I chose every option possible, I was just messing around bumping the price up as much as I could. But with the finished product I was curious if the market for it was in this sub.

Reactions are pretty black and white. Some people believe it is (minus a few of the silly options) because pound for pound, dollar for dollar, it may actually be the best track car available at the moment. Additionally the average person actually has a shot at acquiring one (albeit with a markup).

The rest of the crowd thinks it’s still an inferior American car still and would prefer an unoptioned Aston Martin, Porsche, McLaren, or a used Ferrari or Lambo. I haven’t read many opinions in between.

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lukedimarco@reddit

In the current market, yes they are selling close to double MSRP after delivery. But be a while between order and delivery I think.

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Diaboluxx@reddit

OP checked every single option and yall are shocked it’s almost $200,000?

All you need to spend is $130,000 or so to get a nicely optioned car. A comparable GT3 is $100,000 more. What a stupid comparison.

I wish I could pay American prices for vehicles. I paid $260k for my Escalade V and $120k for a C8.

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BendtnerOrBust@reddit (OP)

I said in another comment I checked pretty much every box, and I broke down each option and the cost. It’s all in the attached screenshots too.

Some are pretty valid track options. I think the purely aesthetic stuff was like $30k maybe? I don’t remember now. Even at $160k, hypothetically speaking, you would still spend your money on the well optioned Z06?

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Fartmaster62@reddit

No

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Klutzy-Ad-4006@reddit

Why would someone buy this... like honestly though. $200,000 ffs.

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MOTRHEAD4LIFE@reddit

I would rather buy a used r8 55000-99000€

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Rude-Manufacturer-86@reddit

Driven a non z06 ‘23 and it’s a killer car. The comparison to a 911 GT3 is pretty good but a fully specs gt3 is gonna be another 100k.

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muffinscrub@reddit

I rented a 2022 2LT stingray (I think) and had a lot of fun in it. I'm never going to have the cash for a $200k car but I imagine this one in OP's post would be a hell of a lot of fun to drive.

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BendtnerOrBust@reddit (OP)

Comments are slowly coming around to this purchase. Interesting.

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jeeves585@reddit

Is it worth the price yes, would I buy it, (if I had the money) probably not. Allot of other cars for 200k I’d rather have.

But I’m also an enigma, for 200k I’d rather go chat with Emory about an air cooled build.

Corvette’s to me typically scream “I’m over ~~45~~ 60

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PiketheGSP@reddit

I’ve tracked a couple C8 Z06’s and they’re incredible. It’s a bit too heavy for me honestly.

But I think they’d be crazy to build this car and NOT let the buyer option it up that high. They are called options for a reason, and they clearly underpriced the C8 initially to the benefit of all the flippers. Dollar for dollar this car is worth every penny in my opinion.

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BendtnerOrBust@reddit (OP)

Ok, valued feedback. You’re one of 2-3 responses that actually see this as a potentially valid purchase.

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docmn612@reddit

Maybe but at 200k you’re in a very different market than corvettes have historically ever been a part of. I’m not sure they’re a top consideration for what to drop 200k on.

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bossoline@reddit

People who have 200k to spend on a car don't fucking justify the cost. Do you think they're making a VALUE play when spending house money on a car.

What are we talking about here?

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BendtnerOrBust@reddit (OP)

Easy there guy. A lot of dudes dropping this amount of money on Porsche’s and Ferrari’s do buy them to put in a garage as an investment. I don’t just don’t see that being the case with this car.

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bossoline@reddit

I would suggest that the number of people who buy cars as investments is a tiny fraction of people who buy expensive cars.

There is a spectrum of people who buy a $200k car. On the low end, they can't afford anything more. On the high end is Jay Leno. The thing that they all have in common is that their value judgments aren't primarily monetary. Maybe that's a better way to say it.

Which is my my overall point: for people spending enough money for a house on a vehicle (whether it's a sports car, luxury car, or truck/suv), getting their money's worth isn't really a concern.

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BendtnerOrBust@reddit (OP)

I can see what you’re getting at.

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Juanmusse@reddit

isn't a McLaren Artura like 200k?

CuteNefariousness691@reddit

Wait for the zr1

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BendtnerOrBust@reddit (OP)

Definitely agree. A little terrified to see what pricing comes out at on that.