Why I Miss Forums, and Despise Discord
Posted by After-Cell@reddit | RedditAlternatives | View on Reddit | 31 comments
Posted by After-Cell@reddit | RedditAlternatives | View on Reddit | 31 comments
s1nistr4@reddit
Luckily there are still a few good forum websites that are still active and decently moderated
Blackhatworld is good for general tech, computing and hacking.
XDA: great forum for Android-related stuff
Neogaf and Vgr are great forum websites for gaming
Myanimelist forums, Anime-planet and animeforums are all decent forums related to anime.
RPGNet and roleplayerguild are great forums for general roleplaying
All of these forums are also fairly active/not complete wastelands.
You can find a lot more, but a lot of them are hard to find on G*ogle, you'll have to use an alternate search engine like SearXNG where you can find a bunch of them.
Klutzy_Knowledge_493@reddit
Update the link
evilkitten03@reddit
The most annoying thing I find about Discord is some mods I use have support but it's on Discord. What if I just want to search the answer?
Also the search for discord is extremely basic and it's still beyond me that I can something like
-
to remove the keyword from the search to make it easy to narrow down. Sure,has:file from:@name#0000
does works but I swear that at times I did send it but Discord search engine didn't pick it up. I can forgive it if it only just been made but Discord has been around 2015 and don't got this basic featureIt's makes trying to find that post to help just annoying and virtually impossible to find.
phasetwo__@reddit
https://sqwok.im is a public forum-eque chat app that's google-indexed and designed for both ephemeral and long-lived public chat. Rather than follow the traditional irc/discord/slack room-based design, sqwok uses topical posts as a first-class citizen, with relevance based on activity instead of voting.
Will be releasing a bunch of updates soon.
After-Cell@reddit (OP)
Thanks, but the captcha doesn't respj D after Tapping the checkbox. Browser is Vandium.
phasetwo__@reddit
Interesting thanks for the heads up, it uses https://www.hcaptcha.com so unsure if they have an issue w/Vandium (I've never tested on this browser)
mondreux@reddit
forum.agoraroad.com
After-Cell@reddit (OP)
That's a beautiful site
mondreux@reddit
Theres also different styles you can choose from. I think you could even make your own css for it.
LucianHodoboc@reddit
They may not be as popular as a decade ago, but forums are still around. There are still numerous forums that are pretty active. I don't know why everyone in the comments talks about forums in the past tense.
After-Cell@reddit (OP)
Discord has killed so many forums.
The typical path is:
Independent server -> reddit -> discord -> nothing
They move from the independent servers. perhaps to save money. Perhaps to avoid legal liability that we didn't have in the early days of the Internet; a sign of growing technofacism where even a signature from every Latin American leader to release Julian Assange doesn't matter to the USA, nor core amendments in the core construction of the country.
Then, moving to reddit, which has centralised everything such that appending "reddit" in the end of every Google search is the only way to avoid spam.
Finally, the move to Discord is the final nail, where content is locked and the Google bot locked out. This prevents both current users and new users from finding each other and interacting.
The Unibomber was right. Technology starts off good, but over time as society adapts to it, it becomes a tool of control and fascism. We can see it here. We see it everywhere. We will see it everywhere where people don't appreciate what technology is.
It isn't always this way.
During the time of Stonehenge, a neolithic culture decided to turn its back on agriculture, going back to nomadic hunting and gathering. They decided to keep some domestic animals with them. Why? Probably because they realised the grains were messing with their health. If they can do something as extreme as that, We should be able to sacrifice instant chat and voice chat for getting online community back.
Having said this, how often does legal liability scare people off from self hosting?
ImTrying2FixU@reddit
Could you expound on this? I've been considering moving the microbiome subs off of reddit onto a typical forum, and legal liability is something I'm wondering about. But why would it be more of a concern than on reddit?
TheoryOfTheInternet@reddit
On Reddit, you're a "nobody" just shit-posting comments.
If you own and host a website, you're an identifiable somebody that can be sued. Perhaps because you censored somebody, or because you didn't, or because someone posted illegal materials, or because you didn't take them down fast enough.
MadCervantes@reddit
You could always host a discourse server if you wanted. The reason people have flocked to social media is because of network effect and algorithmic sorting. Federation helps for that some.
ElectroFlannelGore@reddit
Agree. I'm 35 and I've had internet access since I was 3 or 4.
I've seen the internet die.
/r/BasedTed
Sitheral@reddit
Forums were great. These social media sites are total bs compared to them.
You had to find one that picked your interest, introduce yourself (or bit, heh) and then pretty much go into the boxing match with everyone else over stuff you actually cared about.
Then after awhile you were either eliminated or became a true member and you knew some of the inside jokes and stuff.
I remember this one magnificent forum that was called rockmetal something but you know, folks there after years of experiencing music collectively came to conclusion that rock and metal mostly sucks and its all about classical stuff, avantgarde etc.
So you can imagine people coming to a forum called metal and rock and being literally laughed at for liking some entry level bands. Man I had so much fun reading this.
The point is, these places had character, something beyond just cheap memes. You would know people there. If you left for a year people would probably notice.
It was great and I'm glad I know something else than this current shit.
Kgvdj860m@reddit
Forums are still around. You just have to make much more of an effort to find them, because search engines will not provide search results for them, and social media will not let you post links to them. For example, I just tried to announce on the r/retrobattelsations subforum that Blue Dwarf (https://bluedwarf.top) now provides support for computers and many of the major browsers from the 1990's, but it was taken down immediately. You would think that would be information that many owners of old computers would want to know, but they will never see it.
nichcat@reddit
Seeing similar sentiment around the place and I agree. I liked reading forums and using in-game chat for the reasons you mention.
It's hard to see things going back, though. Reddit and Discord have the benefit of centralization vs having to register for and check individual forums.
On top of that, more and more people have the mentality that everything has to be in the form of an app, even for trivial things they could easily do on their mobile web browser.
How do you convenience people -- increasingly accessing the internet through phones and apps specifically -- to go on their web browser to access forums (which in fairness aren't often the most mobile friendly things)? Just one of the many challenges facing forums today.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MMORPG/comments/12zip2x/new_world_forums_to_be_shut_down_communication/
https://www.reddit.com/r/truegaming/comments/z2mkmk/the_overreliance_on_discord_is_doing_more_harm/
https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/1310jzq/the_imgur_apocalypse_is_going_to_break_large/
techietraveller84@reddit
Isn't that sort of what Reddit has done also, replace forums?
VWH2@reddit
I don't think that this is caused by anonymity, but by the lack of an effective moderation system: when moderators don't handle user disputes in a way that users deem satisfactory, the users themselves do it. And one of the disputes is the scope of the community, if wide or deep. (So you get older members screeching at newbies.)
I'm pointing this out because it shows yet another thing that old style forums do considerably better than Discord and Reddit: moderation works better.
Karlor_Gaylord_Cries@reddit
Yea alot of people recommend discord and telegram and I just don't get it
Stiltzkinn@reddit
I have seen many forums working with Discourse.
ImTrying2FixU@reddit
The UI is terrible though. Why not phpBB?
Stiltzkinn@reddit
To each its own, I find phpBB worse.
ImTrying2FixU@reddit
You prefer the Discourse layout over the phpBB layout, or are you talking about other features?
Stiltzkinn@reddit
Layout and features.
Asad_13@reddit
You know what, let's bring back forums. Let's start on our own. Start with a free hosting. Make people realise just how modular a blank canvas with HTML and CSS and whatever language you want are. I was born near the end of the forum era, and honestly to this day, some of the best online memories I have are sitting on forums for my favourite games. Discord just doesn't have it for community stuff. It might be good for direct chat, but that's about it.
nuclearbananana@reddit
Linen.dev is a basically a publicly searchable discord alternative if that's what you're looking for.
MadCervantes@reddit
Is it open source and/or federated?
nuclearbananana@reddit
Open source https://github.com/linen-dev/linen.dev but not federated
ImTrying2FixU@reddit
Hey it's cool seeing you post this! I've been considering moving the microbiome subs off of reddit for a while. The main reasons to choose reddit are simplicity and no cost. It also has quite a few useful features and addons. There's much to dislike about reddit though, including the voting system.
There are lots of free forums https://best-web-hosting.org/free-forum-hosting/ but I think they have significant limitations. Do you know much about this?
The paid/self-hosted versions are all around $60-90/mo (can be less if you're small and not sending out many emails).
Here's my list of requirements: