Is the UK crap?
Posted by Tenshi1977@reddit | expats | View on Reddit | 510 comments
I know, harsh title, but please hear me out.
I've been living in the UK for nearly ten years. I have a good job, bought a house in London, my partner is English and I just had a baby, who will be half English. I am happily settled here, I've learnt to understand the country and the British ways and to love them. Can't say I have many British friends but people have always been nice and I am gratefully for the opportunities this place has given me.
And yet I find myself fantasising constantly about moving elsewhere, and what life would be like and would I be much happier? This is probably a response to the feeling that this is it, now the cards are all laid out on the table and I will stay here forever. I've lived in different countries and maybe I am just freaking out at the idea of settling down permanently away from home.
But I can't help having this feeling that no one really likes it here. That very much like its weather, this is a cold, miserable place that even the English want to escape from. It seems that everyone I know who's left thinks it's the best decision they've ever taken and not one seems to want to come back. I've lived in America and in Spain, and people do generally seem happier, whereas here there is a constant sense of discontent and looking forward to the next trip away. I know some of it's just the weather and some is also part of British culture, but still, is there more than that? Or is it all in my head? Am I just in a funk?
I need people to remind me why this place is great. What makes it special. Why you have no intention to leave.
Or alternatively convince me that no, it's not all in my head and grass is indeed greener so I can at least feel less anxious and maybe start planning my future.
Hutcho12@reddit
The UK is indeed crap. It’s like a mix between Europe and America but only the bad aspects of each. If you want to earn money, then go to America. If you want a good quality of life, go to real Europe. If you want to be poor and have a miserable quality of life, stay where you are.
blatchcorn@reddit
I've thought about this for a long time, interesting to see someone else say it.
I think you hear Canadians complain about Canada for similar reasons. They have a lot of negatives associated with North America but without the best economy in the world. UK has a lot of the negatives of Europe like high taxes (mainly for high income people and we tax the wrong things) but without the same level of public service provision as Europe
yallabunchafreaks@reddit
I know your comment is a year old, but if you had to choose, Canada or the UK? Only because I am a Brit trying to evaluate my options.
blatchcorn@reddit
Between the two I would say to a Canadian to stay in Canada and a Brit to stay in UK. There's not much benefit between moving between the two unless you have specific career or family considerations.
If you are set on leaving the UK you really might as well go to the US instead of Canada. It's the same effort and distance from home but the job prospects are much better than UK and Canada
yallabunchafreaks@reddit
Yeah, I do have family in Canada, a long distance boyfriend. He also thinks the US has better prospects and doesn't want to stay in Canada. Since I'm agreeing with everyone about the depressing nature of the UK after taking a trip to Quebec where he lives, I think life away from home could work for me. Thanks for your help, would love any more information if you have it
Hutcho12@reddit
Exactly right. I'd never go back to the UK. It's a dump.
WesternResearch5479@reddit
Every nation i can think of has some kind of anxiety on the wider level, plug yourself into any country's social media and you'll see a torrent of gloom and doom. Talk to an American or Spaniard, see how they feel about their national future at the moment (Spoiler: not good).
Ultimately what matters is your actual life, which from the sounds of it is fairly content and settled. If you are happy with it, then that's all the convincing you should need.
vdp74@reddit
No, it is not in your head. The UK is great, but has some things that are very difficult to accept. I am an immigrant from Bulgaria and have been living in the UK since 2006. Have a job that makes 80k, but there are things that I will never truly accept.
I have also lived in the USA for 7 years.
When I was living in my hometown Plovdiv, I didnt go on vacations for years. Never felt the need, because was truly content and happy. Same when I lived in Utah, loved the place and didnt need time away from it.
In the UK, I am going on 2 holidays per year, and 4-5 shorter breaks abroad. I am always looking to the next trip.
The UK is a great country, but there are some things that drive me crazy:
1 Horrible weather
2 Traffic
4 The class system, wlile subtle is evil in nature.
While people are really nice, you never will be accepted as equal. Didnt feel that in America, felt really at home there
Paperwork and difficulty getting things done: lots of hoops to open bank account, rent a place etc
Lack of proper customer service
NHS, yes its good to have it, but its not efficient and you have to be really lucky and assertive to get tests done and be diagnosed.
Saying all that, I still love the UK. If I could turn back time would have stayed in Bulgaria or USA. Now have to stick around to get my early pension in a few years.
OldShallot2121@reddit
i give you good advice- don’t trust English they more than 2 faces
OldShallot2121@reddit
You forgot to add that 99.9% brits are racist
FearlessNectarine86@reddit
Sorry for bringing up an old post, but are you earning 80K before or after tax? do you think the tax in the UK is far to high now? or is it worth it?
vdp74@reddit
Before
FearlessNectarine86@reddit
Ok so you can live comfortably on 80K before tax, that a relief. Are you living outside of London? Can you recommend some of the better city's in the Uk? Some people were saying unless you make over 150K avoid London.
toronado@reddit
That might be true in most of the UK but not London. It's the only city in the world that I know of where you are through and through accepted as a Londoner as soon as you know a few pubs and can navigate the tube. At that point, you're as much of a Londoner as someone who has always lived there
Top_Elephant_19004@reddit
I am British and now live in the USA. Had been trying to get back to the USA for 20 yrs after studying here. Thank you for so nicely listing all of the reasons why I left.
I especially hadn’t realized how depressed the horrible weather made me until I got to live with good weather for two years.
eeeking@reddit
I would agree with this sentiment. I'm born in the UK, and have lived in Europe and the US, now in UK. This is the worst part about the UK imo. It's much harder to assimilate in the UK vs the US, even for whites.
BadgerSame6600@reddit
It is not subtle if you grew up working class though.
eeeking@reddit
Indeed. But it exists even if you grew up middle class in another country, as I did.
sweepyjones@reddit
Agree with your number 3 - and when someone does eventually wipe and clean it, they never dry the table off. 🤨
Opposite_Ad_2025@reddit
Immigrant from Romania here and I'd like to add a few comments: 1. Weather can be shite, but the rain makes the parks & country green all year round. Ahh and the countryside... 2. Traffic - Not sure where you're based, but I think traffic in the UK is heaven compared to Eastern/Southern countries. Another thing I love here is drivers, most of them are incredibly respectful and patient. 3. Paperwork - I think the UK is one of the most digitalised countries in Europe e.g. Gov.uk makes my life so much easier 4. I also think customer service is great here
I think the summary is that the grass is always greener and to be happy as an immigrant one needs to stop comparing the adoptive country to other countries.
Being an immigrant is HARD, but a country is rarely what makes you happy. If you're not working on creating your own happiness, then moving somewhere else will be the exact same. I used to romantise moving back home or to Spain, Italy, but came to the conclusion that every country has its positives and negatives and if we focus on the negatives then you'll never find a perfect place to live in. It's also so time consuming, this constant thinking about "where should I live?" I've spent to much time debating this in my head and not living instead. I still struggle with this, but I've come to terms that it's okay to feel this way, I'm an immigrant and living abroad will never be easy, but it has its benefits, and then try to implement habits that can make me regain that mental stability.
Strict-Armadillo-199@reddit
This is a great post, the kind that keeps me returning to this sub time and again despite the occasional trolls and deluded loudmouths.
As someone (US)who lived in the UK as well as various other countries, I agree with your points and more importantly am happy so see someone able to be critical as well as realistic and polite/fair.
On a side note, I travelled to Bulgaria for New Years's Eve 1999. It's a wonderful memory I'll treasure for the rest of my life. Lovely people and Plovdiv was amazing. Even in the dead of winter 😆
OldShallot2121@reddit
uk is worse than 3rd world country.
ryley1234567@reddit
Has been since blair
Remarkable_Win4325@reddit
Mainly because the uk economy is broken very few make decent money rest work for shit pay overpriced housing doesn't help either.
I'm not rich but working and struggling
Sir_Cumsicion_69@reddit
Oh yeah! 100%. I was born and raised here and it is without a doubt a miserable country. No one wants to be here, it's a stomping ground where everyone is out for themselves. The weather's crap and miserable, no one is genuinely sociable, stiff upper lip is massive, house prices are soaring, barely any opportunity, I could go on but I won't. I will definitely be getting myself and my partner and kids out of here. Possible move to Spain or America.
Suspicious-Celery897@reddit
You‘re gut is telling you the right thing. I lived in London a decade ago for 5 years. Since then, lived in Austria, Germany, Spain and finally settled in the wonderful Munich area. Every single place I visited (travelled 7 US states, most of Europe, some of Asia and Africa) was better than London. It even ends up last in my list. I was there on a connecting flight last week and of course it was cancelled, which forced me and my partner to stay for a day. we were constantly bumped into, treated like numbers or robots, no customer service at all, abusive staff everywhere, I honestly would say it‘s the most dystopian, authoritarian, totalitarian place in the world right now next to places I haven‘t visited but expect to be bad like Iran or Oman. Any city in Romania or Hubgary or bigger cities in Africa like Mali or Lagos were much more functional, wonderful and friendly cities in comparison. I can only recommend you trust your gut feeling and leave before it‘s too late. Knowing German history I feel like UK people are in a similar mindset as the Nazi Germans in the 1930s, an arrogant and once proud nation in a deep crisis trying to take their lost self-esteem out on others. That‘s always dangerous.
Mysterious_Arugula94@reddit
It has gone downhill rapidly in recent years - an influx of too many illegal immigrants and lack of infrastructure to keep up with the change that has caused. Also everything now seems to be about making money rather than public service. If I was younger or wealthier I’d be emigrating from the U.K.
Goochregent@reddit
I have travelled a lot and I still pick the UK to live while not being particularly patriotic:
No natural disasters outside of limited flooding in certain regions.
Relatively temperate summers and winters. I love the cold and rain so this no doubt factors in. Humidity is a killer in many countries but thankfully quite light here on the most part.
Food is actually fairly cheap compared to many 1st world countries.
Better work life balance than the US and East Asia is general (arguably loses out to the EU a bit in this regard).
Relatively safe by global standards (admittedly varies by location but never really dips too low).
Food is good, despite the historic reputation. Diverse options available (I like that a lot).
Despite our own goals of late, the economy is still amongst the strongest.
Good worker protections, no getting fired instantly for no reason like in the US (not as good as France in this respect).
Politically we are in a bit of a state but not as fatally divided as the US. We do have relative freedom of speech unlike a lot of the world.
Not a society built on modern slavery like Dubai (low bar, I know).
Public transport is generally good.
The people are a good balance of of open/closed to me. Its not isolation like Korea/Japan but its not as overly friendly as the US. This will be a matter of personal taste of course.
Great schools for kids, internationally high ranking universities that still attract a lot of foreign students.
The only other place I would consider is Singapore but its so damn hot and one can only feasibly afford an apartment. The primary/secondary schooling is also way too competitive IMO.
SirWolfiejrjr@reddit
this person clearly never went to cumbria. you get dirty looks here for not being chatty and overly friendly.
AncientRules1896@reddit
You are delusional.
You may have traveled a lot but the weather here is disappointing, the "food" is third rate at best.
If you like miserable shit weather with cold temperatures then OK.
I don't want to get old here looking out the window staring at the crap weather 80% of the time.
You must live 500 years. Good for you.
Mini_gunslinger@reddit
I wouldn't tout the UK not being built on modern slavery as it was literally built from taking the commodification of people to the extreme for centuries, banked its money and empire and then stopped and started grand standing.
fluffylittlemango@reddit
People are getting tired of being made to feel ashamed of a past that they weren’t involved with. Especially when their ancestors at that time were overworked in factories and coal mines.
Britain abolished slavery, which should be celebrated. Something that existed for millennia was stopped by the British 🇬🇧
If one day, when eating meat becomes an ethical no no, will people look back on the people who introduced veganism as evil and should be ashamed because they too once ate meat?
Goochregent@reddit
Modern slavery. As in slaves now rather than hundreds of years ago. Aka something that could be stopped now.
UK was built from slavery that took place at a time where slavery was normal and any nation powerful enough to do it was doing it. Doesn't make it OK but sort of a moot point overall.
Kicking_Around@reddit
reporting from the U.S. I can confirm the points of comparison to the U.S. in this list. The gun violence is absolutely sickening, and as someone who thinks guns in general are idiotic, I find the mentality of most Americans about the issue terrifying. The partisan and increasing cultural divide over here is really draining too.
ClownyClownWorld@reddit
I agreed with that a decade ago, mocking Americans and their guns. But in recent years there's been a pretty big increase in violent crimes and drugs related gang violence. Honestly, I'd like to have a gun at home too now. Way too difficult and expensive to get one here though. Only the criminals and the police have them. And the police are nowhere to be found when there's crime, and even if they catch the guy, he'll be out on the street the next day.
I'd feel much safer having a gun in the house, even though I'd hope to never have to use it.
Kicking_Around@reddit
This illustrates my point very well. I’m sick of living in a society where we feel unsafe, and where my neighbors feel like having guns makes sense.
ClownyClownWorld@reddit
The thing is, here in Europe we have some of the stricters gun laws. So do you in the US in many Democrat run cities. And yet those are the very cities where there's the most gun violence, and here the fact that they are illegal clearly isn't preventing it. In fact it's getting worse, and when the Ukraine war comes to an end their corruption (which years ago was all over our media) will result in tons of weapons of war and grenades and such flooding Europe, ending up in the hands of violent gangs.
Combine the increase in crime with the feeling of lawlessness and lack of punishment for criminals, and you get the feeling like you're on your own. I would prefer to have a gun and be punished for using it in the defense of my family, than being killed or worse in a home invasion.
WeUsedToBe@reddit
I’m torn between residing in UK or Singapore in the long-term future, and your list really isn’t helping 😅
Goochregent@reddit
Sorry lol, appreciate its not too helpful. Singaporean food, transport and safety is indeed unbeatable worldwide. 0 antisocial behaviour except some weird uncles staring at your penis on rare occasions in mall bathrooms. Essentially 0 violent crime.
SG is the only alternative I would consider but, in terms of raising a kid, if you have the money to consider moving to Singapore then you probably have the ability to buy/secure your kids near guaranteed success here in the UK (harsh but true).
In SG you need to compete with almost every child studying all day and night, taking extracurricular studies to get an even more intense edge. Then male kids will need to go through national service (which I consider a good thing, just hypocritically not for my own family :P). I wouldn't have wanted that as a kid so I wouldn't want it for my hypothetical children.
As you say, you can also enjoyably walk outside and have time to do so in the UK. massive plus points.
bumblebatty00@reddit
Pretty much same reasons I chose the UK too! Was looking for a place I felt I could integrate, decent public transit, and good for climate change.
Specifically I moved to Scotland since the friendliness reminds me of home (Texas, but minus crazy politics and crazy weather lol). Plus the nature here is beautiful. As you said, the weather here is fairly temperate. I like rain and grey weather and Edinburgh actually isn't that rainy compared to Chicago or Seattle (Glasgow though lol).
Been here a bit over a year and intend to stay.
ieatkittentails@reddit
I moved to London for a few years from Sydney and the odd thing I found about the place is that it felt like it was having an identity crisis. People stubbornly set in their ways and that was that (football, pub, a week in Tenerife, etc), complaining about things not getting any better but expecting everything to stay the same.
If there's one thing I didn't feel in London, it was optimism. Just a lot of people content with no action, egged on by a nasty, cynical, omnipresent mass media
As an aside, the south cost and countryside of the UK - wow. Beautiful. Happier locals, too.
stever71@reddit
I live in London for a few years, it eventually got to me and I moved to Hove, what a difference, even the climate is better. But much better lifestyle.
Rough-Support-7749@reddit
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MungoJerrysBeard@reddit
I lived in London for about five years. After a couple of years I found myself jumping on a train most weekends and going trekking for miles in the surrounding countryside. Started to realise that as much as I loved London - the theatres, the pubs, the history and the parks - it’s a place best visited rather than lived in permanently. Bloody expensive too!
DealSolver@reddit
Agree with this as someone who lived in London for five years. London is overrated. The countryside is underrated.
Healey_Dell@reddit
The countryside is nice, but widely populated by folk with two black Land Rovers cluttering their pave-over driveway complaining about a phone mast a mile away. ;)
Rough-Support-7749@reddit
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Key_Procedure1278@reddit
That's called the suburbs, it doesnt reflect the countryside.
VegetableVindaloo@reddit
That’s the suburbs more though?
yr_momma@reddit
Yep. Suffolk countryside checking in here, this is a suburban hellscape being described.
Historical-Effort435@reddit
I dont think London is overrated, is the only place in the UK were I can have a lifestyle that is almost as healthy as the one I had in Spain, like there are so many things that exist in London that dont exist in the rest of the UK.
for example Gails, live in London and want to grab some freshly made salted bakery is just a walk to that store, same as I was doing in Spain.
I live in a town in the midlands, want some salted bakery, is getting the car and going to the salted section of whatever supermarket is in my area.
I was doing so much peatonal living back in Spain, I felt healthier happier, I cant do that in the town were I am, as yes you have the copy paste town center with the same stores.
So countryside and going to nature is very beautiful, god Snowdonia is amazingly beautifull area.
But for someone who has experienced living elsewhere, and a high standard of living London is definitively not overrated, it may be overrated for those who like a more car centric lifestyle , which I believe is part of why most regular brits dont really like London the lifestyle there is completely different and it takes privilege to truly appreciate, where is your not swiming on money and you are working a lot, you can easily miss what makes the city great.
Alternative-Dig-2066@reddit
I have to ask, what is salted bakery? I googled, got links to pretzels and the importance of salt in baked goods.
Historical-Effort435@reddit
In Spain there's a lot of bakeries who sell pizza, pretzels, ham and cheese napolitanas(I wish I could have a recently made one right now), empanadas, stuff like hornazo, the breakfast stuff like pantumaca this is just a few examples of salted bakery stuff in Spain.
In London there's also a lot of small stores that sell all kind of healthy bakery, or sandwiches filled with fresh vegetables, cheese and ham etc,etc.
I think I should have written salted pastries instead of trying to do a literal translation, but the concept is a bakery specialized in salted goods and healthy breakfast/brunch options.
Alternative-Dig-2066@reddit
Thanks! I learned something new today from you , wonderful descriptions
FirmMaintenance9705@reddit
It makes me sad when I hear of and read about people coming on holiday to the UK and they just stay in London the whole time. This seems really common, that they just stay in London. There is so much to see outside of London.
Jsc05@reddit
Sadly for many young people was only way to get a job until remote work became a thing
Spider_pig448@reddit
Yeah but the con is that you have to live in the countryside
Theocean12@reddit
Exactly this, i lived in london for a year: one of the most depressing times in my life,
I lived in cornwall st mawes for a year, and that was a pretty happy time!!! :-)
Aask115@reddit
It's the same in Belfast.
Some_Notice_8887@reddit
As an American I’d take that over soccer, pubs and brainwashed idiots with bad teeth. Atleast hockey is better to watch and play and there is shit to do in Canada if you are into winter sports. Like Canadians are always optimistic people from my experience. But I’ve spent some time in Canada and to me it’s not home. It think sometimes what matters most is where your family is and where you feel most comfortable.
Loose_Screw_@reddit
The media are a huge part of the fucked culture here for sure.
If we're all on the spectrum of phone junkies brainwashed by our shiny screens and trashy content, Daily Mail and Telegraph, hell even the Guardian are on the upper end of that spectrum. And by that I mean 90% of the UK. I don't know if it's common for humans not to be able to have their own thoughts but I'd like to think there's somewhere where it's better than here.
They train us from a young age here to follow the rules, do what we're told meaning the odd time we do break out of our programming, we have no idea how to deal with it and go completely irrational.
Agree on the countryside though, people are a bit less like wage earning robots out here.
Regin1257@reddit
Hello how are you doing do you care for a chat
Kevin0008555@reddit
But you are home now
ieatkittentails@reddit
Did you create a profile to write that lol
Strong_Silver1352@reddit
Yip reckon most British folks lives revolve round what's on the TV that night.
DonpakoIdo@reddit
yeah on TV dear you are there
Morgan_unknown@reddit
What about Liverpool? Thinking of going there for school! If you know anything:)
Low-Experience5257@reddit
What about smaller cities like Bristol etc? Where do they fall on the scale of London to countryside happiness?
RuinEnvironmental394@reddit
That's probably true of other places. Like Canada, for instance: Hockey, beer, a week in Cancun. :)
Mundstrom@reddit
There's a blight on old Blighty. I lived in London 1981-1992, age 6 to 17. It's been an important part of my formative years, and I spent many years missing it, occasionally considered moving back when I was younger. I was fully aware of how hard times were in the Thatcher years, I used to go all over London with my friends, in search of good skate spots. I've seen all the posh areas, and the hardest council estates. But seeing what's become of the UK in my absence, I can firmly state that it's turning to shit. My old neighborhood has become ridiculously expensive and upper class, it used to be a typical middle class area. Other parts have gone the complete opposite way, turning into ghettos and slums. One thing's for sure, there are far more closed shops, empty city centers, homeless people and far more crime than there ever was. The gap between classes has become a canyon, it's like it's back in Victorian times. There's no way I'd ever set foot in some of the places I used to feel safe in as a teen, and the cost of living after Brexit has put the UK on a path to becoming a third world country, from the look of it. Blame the government, London was the multicultural heart of Britain, so you can't "blame the foreigners" that's just naive. It's those useless, inbred, corrupt out-of-touch politicians. It doesn't matter who's in charge, they're all bloody useless.
Martin00018@reddit
Yes. There is nothing so crap as being part of a country that has achieved more than just about any other in the world, and has done more for the world than just about every other country and yet is filled with such self-loathing. I'm assuming it's some sort of "post - colonial guilt" or something, but it drives me nuts. We welcome people from all over the world, treat them well, embrace them, give them a far, far better life than most could ever enjoy in their countries of origin and then flagellate ourselves about how awful we really are and invite them to hate us. So yes, it's not great
IDontLikeColdFI@reddit
This country sucks
Time_Train1067@reddit
Yeah it's awful.
TheRAP79@reddit
Its been crap since Brexit. Nothing works, everyone is mean, immigration has gone flying through the roof, everyone is now worse off financially, the supermarkets fresh food is crap, you've got less cops on the street after thousands got pushed only to be replaced by noobs, many with an unsuitable psychological profile, the far right are on the rise, and now we've got a government that's getting pilloried (by a predominantly Tory cheerleading press) for having to pick up the mess the last one made.
Britain is a mess, and the generation thats experienced the last 14 years are angry AF because they got buttf××ked with lies and broken promises.
Born-Spinach5334@reddit
I really love, London cause It's quite a cool place 🤩.
TheRAP79@reddit
London is NOT the UK.
Better-Leather-4849@reddit
You're right. I'm British and never realised this until I left but it's basically taboo and disrespectful to be happy, hopeful or proud in British culture. To be polite, you need to downplay any positive and fixate on the negatives, and somehow you are a more righteous, respectful person for doing that. The consequence of a nation full of people with that attitude is quite depressing and stifling.
happyplaceshere@reddit
Oh my goodness this explains sooo many things. My grandparents immigrated from England to the US. This is how my Mom raised us! I could be happy, hopeful and proud but not too happy, hopeful or proud!
Silver_Candidate8594@reddit
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AmerikanischerTopfen@reddit
True in many East Asian and Eastern European cultures as well. I had a conversation about this with two woman from Czechia and China. Basically we read an article about how American culture teaches you to be positive and upbeat even if you don’t feel that way. It’s based on high “relational mobility.” Historically (and presently) people were highly mobile in the US and able to break and form relationships quickly. Americans are always losing connections and social/professional roles and have to make new ones at the same rate. It’s important to be constantly putting out a positive and confident vibe: advertising that you have something to offer and are someone people will enjoy being around.
In their cultures, relational mobility was lower. It was more important not to stick out or make others jealous in a way that could harm your social bonds, which were not discarded or remade as easily. One of them was talking about how, if something good happened to her like she got a promotion or went on vacation, she had to explain it in negative terms when asked by people from her home culture. “I will have to do so many tasks I hate if I take this promotion.” “How was your trip to France?” “Oh it rained and I was so tired.” I can’t remember the term the article gave for this kind of talk, but it said the function was to maintain social harmony and deflect envy. Where in a high relational mobility context, envy is less of a problem and it would be more likely to deter future potential connections who perceived you as a negative person.
tothet92@reddit
Having been born in Ukraine but grown up in the US, living in London was like having an identity crisis. My body so used to the cold dark winters was feeling like it was constant spring. The light rain was very refreshing and I did inhuman amounts of running (a marathon, several ultras, half marathons for fun a few times a week).
The social American side of me was deeply undernourished. I can say that I didn't have a single British friend. My Irish friends and I liked to joke how it is impossible to even start a conversation with a Brit unless they had at least a pint. I found the Irish to be a delight, even more so after a pint. I will say that I did have a deep emotional moment with a British boy I used to babysit after school after we baked a coffee cake together as a goodbye.
Last year I moved back to Eastern Europe - to Serbia. And here people are bubbly and enthusiastic like Americans in the summer but depressed and negative like Ukrainians in the winter. I feel right at home!
I do work for a British company and I hope to come back for at least a visit someday. I have very fond memories running along the canals and through pastures of the British countryside, navigating through sheep and waving back to the locals.
Express-Motor8292@reddit
Definitely not a British problem regarding how reserved people are, it’s a London problem. I’m from a small city in the north of England and used to house share with some Polish guys; they said it was like a poorer version of the city in Ireland they used to live in. It is just as friendly.
SensitiveDonkey5784@reddit
I would have thought that people in the US are friendlier because they historically have to be. In cultures with low movement you rely on kinship and shared cultural values in your dealings with others, so you can be a sourpuss because your friendliness doesn't matter if you're already part of the gang. In the US with so many immigrants, friendliness and open communication are the way to bridge gaps between culture and social groups because the shared values and mindset is never guaranteed.
james_the_wanderer@reddit
The US runs on something close to a toxic positivity.
justwe33@reddit
Toxic positivity? I find that in many countries, too many people suffer from toxic pessimism and cannot seem to find it in themselves to be genuinely happy for other’s good fortune or success.
Status-Disaster-5628@reddit
If you look at his post history he’s an American who loves china and hates his own country. He should move to china
justwe33@reddit
I disagree. Many people in the US live in the same area their family has lived for generations and are some of the friendliest and most generous people, even to total strangers. It’s not fake. they are genuinely good, kind people.
Pale-Subject-6735@reddit
Yup. This. I think this really does capture the inner-thoughts of a certain kind of Brit.
Jsc05@reddit
I love portugal where people just seem to be along for the journey
emsuperstar@reddit
Thanks for the link! That's a super interesting wiki article. In particular that bit about farming areas have low relational mobility rings true to me, and makes Denmark make slightly more sense. lol
romeodeficient@reddit
this is so well put! thank you for taking the time to explain. I would totally read this article if you were to find it! I wonder, would you say “tall poppy syndrome” is part of the reasons for deflection in the low relational mobility cultures?
AmerikanischerTopfen@reddit
Can’t find it but here’s the Wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relational_mobility?wprov=sfti1#Consequences_for_people's_behavior_and_way_of_thinking
romeodeficient@reddit
very cool, thanks!!
Better-Leather-4849@reddit
That makes sense but it doesn't have to be that way.
In SouthEast Asia and Latin America, people have very strong communities and family ties that they don't stray from yet are very happy and positive.
AmerikanischerTopfen@reddit
Latin America is actually cited as having the highest level of relational autonomy globally. It doesn’t mean not having strong family ties or community — it means having control over those relationships, being able to break them or form new ones. Americans have strong community too.
Better-Leather-4849@reddit
Is that a scientific way of saying they are promiscuous? Sure, but it doesn't refute my point.
AmerikanischerTopfen@reddit
I don’t know — just going off the sources from Wikipedia. Just edited my post with the link.
ldarcy@reddit
Isn’t second approach just, well, miserable? Not even in the context of social connections but just self-awareness/self-esteem?
AmerikanischerTopfen@reddit
It’s like most cultural traits — an adaptation that makes life easier given the circumstances.
goldenbeans@reddit
Really fascinating! Thanks for the write up .. I'm an immigrant in the NL and I think this applies here as well. I really recognize the "deflecting envy" part of it
emil_@reddit
This is a fascinating perspective i never though of, and, to me at least, makes a lot of sense sense. Thanks for sharing!
TumbleweedAbject355@reddit
It's because the British have always been self depreciating by nature. It was a form of humbleness. Now the world joins in with the jokes against us whilst we laugh thinking it's with us
British people need to realise that the self hating attitude only breeds weakness in the grandscale of life and that we should actually be proud of the country that we live in and what it has become
Flip264@reddit
Totally agree. I live in Japan and Japanese people are convinced that British food and weather are far worse than they actually are. I honestly think they’ve got the ideas from British people’s self deprecating humour.
FearlessNectarine86@reddit
Pretty sure some Japanese tourists must of wandered into an pie and mash shop and ordered jellied eels then made the assumption that is what we eat on a daily basis, I could not stomach jellied eels, I would throw up maybe I would eat a bowl of it for £10,000. Roast beef and Yorkshire's with a decent beer is nice. Scones and a decent cup tea is also pretty good, The quality of our meat and vegetable's is probably better than most country's we don't need to douse them in spices to hide the face the quality is bad. I do like Japan, you can tell them in the UK we also have 4 seasons! they seem to love their 4 seasons.
martasaka@reddit
Oh my god mate , I’m British living in Japan too and the amount of ignorance towards our country is hilarious. If I see one more picture of that fucking fish head pie… whenever I speak to people about London they’re like “oh amazing but you won’t be able to eat oishii food :( “… what?! London is one of the best places on earth for food, what cant you find there?!
Individual-Friend402@reddit
To be fair fewer than 20% of japanese citizens have a passport so most Japanese have never left Japan at all.
Which is crazy considering that the Japanese passport is one of the worlds most powerful passports to own.
CanWeNapPlease@reddit
I think you're spot on. I'm from South America and moved to the US when I was ten for over 15 years. I lived in Minnesota for 10 of those years and even though its terribly cold there for 2/3 of the year, people weren't miserable. They were joyful and kind.
I moved to the UK also nearly 10 years ago now and although I love a lot about it, the people are not in my top 10 list. There's too much about the depressing British personality that spans decades, maybe even centuries.
But it bleeds into a lot of their lives... Even in weird things like their willingness to try new food, I know it sounds like a stretch, but I feel like the majority of white British people I've met have no desire to try different foods because they just look at the negative of doing so... "I'm not paying money to risk eating something I don't like... So I'll order fish and chips or a pie please."
My husband's grandparents refuse to eat anything that's not the bog standard sandwiches, as far as meat they only eat chicken or one kind of fish, plain fruit, and plain chocolate. Many colleagues I've met here, unless they've lived abroad or have non-British backgrounds are also very picky eaters... Only eat at pubs or their "exotic" food only spans to Italian restaurants where they order lasagna or a pizza. Nobody wants to try salami or bologna with a nice spicy cheese.
I'm going on a rant about non-adventurous eaters again.
But this is my theory!
extraSauce88@reddit
Dumbest take I've ever heard. Our national dish is chicken tikka masala...a curry! "Nobody wants to try Salami!?" Stfu
CanWeNapPlease@reddit
Chicken Tikka Masala is British.....
Jsc05@reddit
Seems very generational, that describes my grandfather but not my parents
External-Bet-2375@reddit
So who is eating at all the restaurants in the UK serving food from around the world if British people won't eat it? I don't buy this argument, many British people eat all kinds of foods.
BobbieK07@reddit
You’re 100% correct, I’m British with foreign parents. Born & raised in Notting Hill which is extremely diverse in every way.
It wasn’t until I went university outside of London & dealing with white British people who are not from diverse areas, that you realise that: 1) They complain like hell and get shocked when you suggest they do YXZ. 2) The lack of willingness to try something different and wanting praise that they have.
All I’m going to say is that outside of London I (& other British born and bred POC) are treated rather differently.
I’m currently living in Canada, which is going well. I know I’ll return to London in a few years.
Overall_Ad5379@reddit
Canada looks nice but heard its super expensive and Canadians are looking to move.
BobbieK07@reddit
Yeah, it’s crazy expensive (for what you get). So that’s annoying on many levels. Having said that, being in Canada has allowed me progress more in the work place than in London. The nature in N America is eye catching, even for a cosmopolitan girl such as myself ☺️
Overall_Ad5379@reddit
Cool...Hope things go well.
sherlock314zza@reddit
I am debating moving from London to canada. Mind adding more context how is there and why would you return to London?
BobbieK07@reddit
Sure, I am biased lol.
You get more for your money - higher quality goods, multiple grocery stores to match your budget. Plus more deals/discounts. I’m in Vancouver, and I’ve noticed Safeway is just as expensive as Whole Foods, which is mind-boggling. You don’t have to go out of your as much in London to find a more reasonable grocery store depending on your budget. Plus, the quality of food in N America is crap compared to the UK and Europe. Please do not confuse cuisine with the quality of ingredients. Even spices and herbs in N America are worse than I thought possible. Because of that try to use fresh herbs only, which is expensive. But better for me. I find the food here heavy in density so I don’t eat as much. Restaurant prices in London is better too and that goes for posh places too. Again if you look online you can find good deals to. Having a different experience or treat once a year is doable (depending on your budget). Not sure how things are post covid.
You can visit museums and art galleries for free in London and the UK. I haven’t found that in Canada or the US (where my partner lives). I understand now why people in N America are somewhat more “chilled”.
Better public transportation - enough said.
I feel there’s more individuality in London than in Canada. I miss wearing my “fancy” outfits whenever I want. Here it's just beige and dark colours. Carbon copy of what's “in” or in a category on your hobbies, hiking/outdoors group, hippy group etc. It seems more cliquey that happens everywhere. I feel/see it more in N America. Perhaps because I’m not from here too, but some local people I know in Canada say the same.
London and certain parts of the country are more aesthetically pleasing for me. I would move to France, or perhaps Italy, if I could. I wouldn’t move to Spain as I’m not fond of the aesthetics as much.
Plus, it's my home; most of my friends are there, plus family. I still hope to buy a house in London someday.
I do like Canada, but I’m lucky as I have western privilege, as a black person. Plus my voice is naturally “posh“, so I’m treated fine, although some people are confused when they hear me before seeing me 😂. I guess my style is London/Paris smart casual, now known as “ quiet, luxury” 🙃. My experince would be very different if I came from Africa or Asia etc.
London is just different and so diverse.
However, I must say that housing is become expensive and competitive same in Canada.
Subject_Ad_9680@reddit
While I think American optimism can become borderline delusional sometimes, I personally enjoy the optimistic outlook on life. It has its place that benefits society imo
Pug_Grandma@reddit
Can't you just leave the British people, living in their own country, alone, and let them eat what they want?
Subject_Ad_9680@reddit
I think that's become rather controversial now because being proud of the UK implies proud of the British Empire (e.g. imperialism and colonialism)
Overall_Ad5379@reddit
Whats wrong with that?
dialectics_for_you@reddit
Yes that’s nationalism. We can love our community and friends, but nationalism is inherently exceptionalist and pluralistic. It’s a bad grounding for politics.
TumbleweedAbject355@reddit
But why. Because we have allowed people around the world to overshadow what the UK has become?
We have gone from the peak of a colonial country that was against most form of expression and integration in to one of the most forward thinking and multicultural countries on earth.
British history extends colonialism
Recoaj12@reddit
I always thought it was incredibly dumb, everyone else can be proud of their country but not the Brits? I'm from a past British colony myself, and whats past is past, I hold no hate for the new generation. Yet people just want someone to hate so they shit on the modern Brits for things they had no say in.
r0yal_buttplug@reddit
We are tangible, the people who committed whatever crime the person might be affected by can’t be held responsible, they’re dead as disco.. but they only have to look over at modern Brits living the high life & continuing to enjoy the benefits of being in a wealthy and extremely fortunate nation which feels like an insult to injury.
I say come on over and join us, im a Brit by naturalisation and a lot of the other young people I come into contact with in the SE share my view that we can’t control the past but this planets a sinking ship and if the UK is something of a life boat then we can make room.
Recoaj12@reddit
?? Come over and join you? Thanks for the welcome lol. We hate and blame our politicians more than we hate the British btw, but we ultimately also love our country. We aren't as backwards to the point where we're miserable all the time.
And most of the empires wealth went to the elites and wealthy corporations anyway, my British friends had ancestors who were just farmers and miners, i dont see how they benefitted to the point where they must feel ashamed of themselves.
To truly heal from the past, we do it with love, not judgement. We should be friends, do business and grow together. Those that suggest hate and shame for a new generation are the ones that will cause another war of hatred.
r0yal_buttplug@reddit
It’s a funny meme sure, but do you really believe we’re all miserable all the time lol
It’s the 6th or 7th most affluent country on the planet with about 65 million people, surely no one actually believes anything said in this thread is true for the majority of the people on this island?
Recoaj12@reddit
You misunderstand me, I wasn't implying that Britain was miserable all the time. I was saying many people often assume that MY country is miserable all the time because they think we're backwards. No offense meant to Britain man
r0yal_buttplug@reddit
I see that now. You feel the way I do about this, I wish we all had eachother’s freedom and happiness in our priorities more often but I think largely we are moving towards a globe without the need for borders and all the misery that goes with them. I see that you love your country, I think we differ on that point I never understood patriotism very well - I always imagined the goal was a world without flags and passports and one day in the near future a generation would come up in a world that’s forgotten what the UK, Brazil, China etc meant and find a way to live where we wanted, giving everyone an equal opportunity instead of this ridiculous genetic lottery system we have now. A future surely exists where we have a more globalised system of managing this little rock we are lucky enough to share.
Where are you from by the way?
Recoaj12@reddit
I don't particularly think patriotism is as bad as some people says. I see it as respecting and appreciating your own culture and people, because thats what a country is: a piece of land where a group of people share cuisines, culture, language, etc.
Though I do agree that when taken to the extreme, patriotism can be ugly. Like when people try to justify past atrocities, or when they use it to look down on people from other countries. As long as its done in a positive way, patriotism can be a beautiful thing. Different countries with their own unique strengths, being proud of their own country and being proud of OTHER countries. It can be a uplifting thing, if only people can just stop being so self centred and start appreciating people of different cultures.
To answer your question, I move alot between Malaysia and Singapore, have family in both.
Funnily enough, both were British colonies, and one became more successful than the other, and there is some jealousy between the two. Which is kinda sad. Our cultures are very similar and many consider us as brothers, considering that we squabble like brothers too. But both have progressed very far and so I'm proud of both countries. I love both very much
Skaffa1987@reddit
the UK is not a life boat for everyone to get on.
r0yal_buttplug@reddit
Meh
OutsideWishbone7@reddit
Disco never died
boblywobly11@reddit
Deprecate
TumbleweedAbject355@reddit
Yeah my bad
ethman14@reddit
I think I might belong there...or maybe I should just go back to therapy.
Thanmandrathor@reddit
It reminds me of part of an Eddie Izzard routine where he talks about the Can-Do attitude of Americans, and how as a kid his experience of career counselors was of the “yeah, aim lower than astronaut/Can’t-Do” variety.
https://youtu.be/xGGeLHnDQk8?si=3CjxWRiNP0XVeGsL
martasaka@reddit
I left the UK for Japan and immediately felt prouder of where I’m from. Not because Japan is bad, quite the contrary, but because it was refreshing to see a country with a sense of pride in their traditions and culture. I thought, “why can’t I feel like that too?”. It doesn’t mean you have to love EVERY single thing about your country, but there are certainly aspects of our culture and country that are beautiful, and I’m now much happier to be outwardly proud about them.
The pervasive sense of “it’s not cool to be proud” is really depressing, and honestly I think it’s damaged our reputation. Most of the world take things at face value . If I’m from, Cambridge , I might say “my town is shit”, because that’s what we do. We downplay where we’re from because being really earnest is seen as uncool. But a lot of cultures/ people online will take that literally and then have that impression of what is an incredible place. I think at this point our never ending moaning is doing our country reputational harm.
Historical-Effort435@reddit
I think is because is being hard to navigate patriotism vs nationalism, in Europe and particularly in the UK we have suffered a great deal from unhinged nationalism, and developing a sense of patriotism is not the easiest, I mean we can easily see how the people who most raging nationalistic in the UK are also the worst examples of our culture, so we can tend to go the opposite way not to be compared to those people.
We do that in every aspect of our lives, specially given how class affects everything that we do in the uk and people refrain themselves from doing things if it will make them be perceived as the wrong social class or loose social values.
Were a very judgmental country with things such as not wearing brown shoes in the city:https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2019/apr/09/why-does-the-city-hate-brown-shoes(sharing this in case this is read by someone not from the UK) so Im not surprised were not willing to express our feelings towards a lot of things in the UK if its going to make us feel alike a wide necked red faced hater.
laura1370@reddit
I think in reality it's because patriotism is so tightly intertwined with aggressive tribalism which tends to be quite EDL.
I think many Brits inc myself are ashamed because of things like Brexit, the way we under funded the NHS and the damage caused by extensive privatisation. Whilst I'll always be very British at my core and British people are amazing, there is a fair amount to be bleak about.
Better-Leather-4849@reddit
It's been like that my whole life long before Brexit or NHS problems. I don't mean people just being negative about the country/politics, it's people being negative about any goals or plans you or they might have, any achievement, any progress etc in your personal day to day lives.
LizP1959@reddit
Well stated. I also found it so when I lived and worked there.
franckJPLF@reddit
Looks a lot like the French 🤣
Demicore@reddit
Can confirm, as a Frenchman with two foreign parents. In my family I've always been taught to appreciate and be grateful of the great things we have here, but it's definitely frowned upon to be upbeat or happy about our country, so I've come to the point where I usually try to hide it! People will genuinely go into arguments with you if you express contentment about your own nation.
It's always crazy to me when foreigners see us as having a superiority complex and looking down on others. We definitely have a lot of issues, customer service and civility being big ones, but if you're being treated poorly here I can assure it's definitely not out of a feeling of superiority.
SensitiveDonkey5784@reddit
I mean, as a foreigner, I am only allowed to complain about France if it's something a French person would agree with. So I don't think all complaining is equal.
Since I don't see the negatives of France the way French people do, and since I cannot express my own personal discontent, I just stick to the positives and am seen as naive. Yes there is a superiority issue if thingd like smiling, seeing the positive side of things, and politely complimenting a country is seen as lacking in intelligence or experience.
Fisterupper@reddit
"Fixate on the negatives," describes most English people I've met. How can they be so smug about insulting people but gaslight them by saying it's done politely so it's okay. That's some narcissistic shit. Toxic AF.
BadgerSame6600@reddit
Another thing is that the shitty pay, the class hierarchy and less than equal opportunities that makes everyone your competition. People are jealous of what they see as someone getting a better lot in life, but that should be directed at the system, the political decisions ect., not the people around you. I find the U.K incredibly toxic too.
EntropyRX@reddit
Canadian here. I tried living in London and exploring the uk and it may not be what you want to hear, but it was crap to me. London I surely not worth it and wages are a joke, compared to the col. The uk in general is a small island that gave up on the privilege of free movement in the EU. Any problem we have in Canada (affordability, housing…) is just 10 time worse in the uk with the downside that the country now feel so small and isolated.
vanguard_SSBN@reddit
FOM wasn't really a privilege when you look at the numbers. Far, far more entering than leaving. Net immigration is still very high though.
EntropyRX@reddit
Come on man, from EU you would only get EU immigrants, meaning people coming from rich countries and western background. Uk was not in the Schengen area, so anything else was illegal immigration as it is still today after brexit. Now it made sure they’ll only get immigrants from third world countries lol But the worse part is that British people lost their privileges to go live anywhere in Europe, which is particularly bad for younger people who did not vote for brexit
whyamihere189@reddit
It was mostly Polish, Bulgarians and Romanians in large amounts, not the French and Germans. Not that I had anything against it, but most British people did not go to stay in the EU countries.
Any-Addition-281@reddit
They still have a european and western background (hence they are in EU). Poland is actually even better to live today than even the UK (when you compare crime, safety, cleanliness etc.).
Poland/Romania/Bulgaria are NOT alien cultures compared to where the current migrants to the UK are coning from which are mostly from India, pakistan, Bangladesh, middle east, africa etc. i.e. all third world countries with very different cultures (exactly what OP mentioned, non EU migrants) and those countries have nothing in common with the british culture.
Also remember, Poland/Romania/Bulgaria etc. have a much higher standard of living compared to those south asian countries the UK is receiving migrants today.
Dull_Cut_8431@reddit
London wages are better than Toronto/Vancouver. FAANG has a big presence in London and literally all the megacorps have offices here. Jane Street just has 3 offices around the world, with one being in London. Finance and banking pays very well. The UK is one of the only 3 countries to have a $1 trillion tech sector. London-Oxford-Cambridge golden triangle has more tech investment than all of Europe combined.
Efficient_Shirt_4098@reddit
I needed to find a post like this just to rant about how shit the weather is, holy fuck I am sweating like I was in a triathlon. Wish it wasn't so fucking humid here, Jesus Christ. My skin is literally crying 😭
drumbeg-monsmeg@reddit
Towns and Cities in the UK are a real mixed bag. Particularly medium sized towns and small cities that just feel like they are in decline with dying high streets.
London has always been a place that people love or hate. A lot of the replies you get on these threads are London-centric. Typically from people who moved to London for a bit then wither left or didn't. That's just a sign of the unequal state of the UKs economy I guess. All roads lead to London!
Anyway, it's all about perspective. I live in a beautiful part of Yorkshire surrounded by steep hills, 500 year old buildings, rivers, canals, great mountain biking, sailing, hiking, forests and independent businesses. Apart from the weather (which makes the place extremely green and lush) it's pretty idyllic.
Rare-Ad-5286@reddit
UK is crap. as others have said here, we’re like a middle ground between America and Europe, but the worst of both. And of course the weather.
we have high taxes, but crap public services. we have a ‘car culture’ (outside london), but crap roads with pot holes everywhere.
Some Brits bang on about the NHS, but honestly, it’s shit.
We have pretty high tax (much higher than USA, slightly lower than europe), but terrible public services. If you’re a high earner, then you are royally screwed at every turn, people view you like you stole it, not worked your arse off to try and do well. There’s a lot of jealousy for anyone who earns what is considered a high salary. Given how much tax is taken, and the extortionate cost of housing, even a £100k salary doesn’t go that far.
Then of course there’s the huge number of people that just cannot be bothered to work. There’s a huge culture of laziness and entitlement.
Most Brits are constantly amazed at how many people from around the world want to come and live and work here. Even for minimum wage jobs.
Eragon089@reddit
Try moving to the countryside, i much prefered it
Consistent_Pop_1639@reddit
I hate it here. Hate it.
Particular_Ebb9974@reddit
does a bear shit in the woods. tbf cant be that bad because half the world are rowing here on old innertubes
margonic@reddit
UK is becoming crap because it allowed too many Muslims in. The UK can cleanse itself of crap by deporting Muslims. It's so simple that even a brain dead liberal should be able to understand this concept. Wake up, Britannia!
Ok-Head4285@reddit
Large part's in the uk are depressing due to the government not giving a shit and investing to improve.
Where I am people don't have much to do they go to drugs or just not give a shit after work depressing isn't it.
Same thing really in most place's overpriced home's col crisis overpriced rental's mental health and physical health problems.
Alot of the local's are bored out there arse's there's not much to do anyway beside's go drinking or do drugs fuck me the uk is depressing.
Mainly because the news makes people paranoid over nothing.
fluffylittlemango@reddit
People are worried about being seen as nationalistic. It’s a deeply ingrained fear that comes from a focus on WW2 as the main bulk of history education.
People have become confused and basically think patriotism IS nationalism.
Aware-Advantage-6503@reddit
Roosevelt TRUMAN were too nice post war
Mezzeruk@reddit
Depends where you live, like any country.
Some of the systems are a mess and in some parts of the country the immigration and boats crossing through to the UK needs to stop.
We as a country struggle to look after our own yet we find time and room for potentially bad people who will only bring misery. Before you have a pop at me think about it. Syrians, Afghan and others who we, yes we as England were involved in bombing and war in these countries...they are hardly going to like us just because we let them in to this country.
Many of my customers who have moved down to the South East are sick of it.. the stories they tell me about London, Manchester, Birmingham and more is quite alarming... especially for our children's and grand children's futures.
All countries must retain their culture,history and morals..and things that make us Brits. Do not just toss that away in favour of diversity and multiculturalism as this will not work.
Even where I live and was born things have changed. Independent shops closing, strange local council decisions...some very wealthy folk living in their little Cotswolds villages oblivious to the real world. Lazy Brits who don't work living off the state but having a better life life than hard working people...so much mess...on the bright side there is plenty of work in the town I live in.
This country is certainly going to shit...there are serious problems, extremely lazy people who exploited COVID grants and payouts and more. People working from home but not really doing much work. Try getting a doctor's or dentist appointment... As a self employed guy it's a disaster.. it's all being tailored for folks working from home. Shops stopping cash payments even though card costs them a fair bit for the privilege. I saw a girl pay 50p on her card last week!!
I will recap. Like any country. Good and bad. Good areas can have bad people...lack of jobs in more deprived towns. The influence of too much diversity,losing what Britain stands for.
I will also say. The last ten years I've constantly had thoughts of leaving. It's certainly not the country it was and people are far too reserved and more interested in social media platforms, their ego and selfish ways of life and Netflix than what is happening around them and these things happening around them will affect their future in one way or another. Look at the bigger picture.
Still, it's beautiful today. Sunny and warm. 👍
Nikesh_9@reddit
Yes.
Nikesh_9@reddit
Yes.
delko07@reddit
I've been there yes. French expat living approx 11 years in UK. I found the place intensely bleak and sad. Weekends in particular, very boring, it just feels your dreams have stopped there, very metaphysical experience. At times i felt completely at odds with other expat's feelings concerning this place. In my last years in the UK i was litterally fantasizing of leaving this place all the time, like first thought in the morning to last one before going to bed.
Philgbhamuki1976@reddit
England are shit
Freshstepper25@reddit
Crap partly because most of you foreigners and that’s not racist, it’s a fact
granolanutbars@reddit
Yes the foreigners are the one running the country,
wandering_salad@reddit
I feel similar. I'm from western Europe and also lived in the North of Europe for a bit, and now in the UK for over a decade.
Interesting-Fox-5694@reddit
Ots
Money_Sherbert_7284@reddit
This is just a symptom of a realisation that things have gone to shit!!! Messed up politics. it's all a joke. Towns out of London closing down all stores, more homeless people, people forced to move to London. London is mixed with so many traumad people from so many different ethnicities and backgrounds living all together so tightly but do not communicate with each other unless it's from that ethnicity stereotypical business say Indian in east London/ Bethnal green with an off license or a post office higher class doctors, previous slaves of the British, I can say too much especially Bradford 😄 or Jamaican Man convinced to come here to work as part of the Windrush, then bullied by the British system and emasculated the man. He broke him from his black women. Gave black women more opportunities I higher places above the man. Placed them in south London, where there was high crime. Broke the man's pocket and not his cock! Gave the women sexual higher class through music videos, magazines then more Africans convinced to come to Europe as a safe haven white Jesus's but I won't say too much.... then Somalia Albania, Turkish loads of Turkish North Londonz Booming businesses Mafia bossesz Kurdish Beefz, Kebab Shops? Also Corner shops not post Offices though. STRICKLY/MOSTLY INDIAN OR BRITISH.... AM I LYING 🤥. Breakfast cafe Turkish or British. Indian man chicken and chips. Butchers Indian - Turkish - British in Britain 👀. It's all a set up.
Chinese food - Chinese people - China Town here in London
Indian takeaway in Britain, funny question for my Indian people dem. Is Chicken Korma/ Chicken Curry and others I can't remember really made in Britain? Is it Britain Indian? Not traditional Indian anyway...
Today, there are so many ethnicities Religions Mosques, churches, and synagogue temples, plus many more, no more than a couple meters apart with people that just walk past one another. All worshipping GOD but walk passed His creations 👀 with many excuses regardless of what it is its JUST an Excuse, right?
Albanian gangsters, Albanias came from a country of war and suffering under selfish leaders.. but does the general public know this?? Why not? WHOS RESPONSIBLE? Polish/Polski Romaniansz Gypsies, traveler's, Irish traveler's, Caravans everyone within their own communities.... ooo Gosh Who's responsible for soo many people but such a divide? Are we OK with these results?
Sorry for the rant haha 😄
ClassicMarketing4748@reddit
As some from Devon, ITS SHIT.
DimensionComplete497@reddit
yes
Successful-Rice-2916@reddit
Yes
Funny_Plan8566@reddit
Tax Tax and ermmm Tax. Grey weather mainly throughout the year, a couple of months of sunshine if ye lucky and lots of lovely lovely people (Not)
AssociateInside9680@reddit
The UK is not crap, no country is crap, and every country has some crap aspects. The amount of crap you are going to see depends on how crap you feel your life is and the type of things you first notice in a park. I doubt you would have had a child and settled down with an English woman if it was. I once visited Albania and no money on earth would have made me do likewise. I take it our free health care, our equality acts, and strong laws did not hurt either.
You complain about British people yet foreign people have always come over here and been able to live in their own bubble and imported little colonies in fact some have spent their entire lifetime doing this and no one has really bothered them or forced them to learn proper English. You can get help at a GP’s practice , engage with public institutions and many private ones in the UK without needing to speak a word of English , Muggins the tax payer will pay for such welcome pack goodies and take their chances with Cancer treatment waiting times down the local NHS should they need it .Try doing that in the Netherlands, France or any region in Spain you’ll be dicing with the grim reaper potentially in many parts of the world you can’t get basic help without a intermediate grasp of the local lingo.
British people? Well, we are not all Greggs munching, weather moaning whingers waiting for the next piss up. Down the local Spoons. In fact, many British people don’t drink and don’t like the pub and can find a wide range of societies and groups to suit their own preferences. Go into the Greggs equivalent in Spain and see how many Vegan or gluten free options are available in a day. You can avoid British food altogether and find ingredients and several eateries that will suit your dietary requirements
We are not all English we are four nations with our own cultures’ traditions and languages and dialects. Secondly despite our problems of which we have many we are one of the least insular nations in Western Europe. The UK provides interpreters free at the point of access to several nationalities when needs necessitates, that type of service is virtually non existent in Spain unless your speaking English. You can rock up in the UK with piss poor grasp of the official language and still get a white-collar job or an important one at that Try doing that in Spain.
Another lazy gripe about our country is that our food is all greasy rubbish I lived in Spain greasy fried food was the norm daily there were no decent ethnic options to escape it and customer service and many other things I could mention in Spain are the epitome of crap. People are miserable and seem entitled to their miserable ways in many cases that’s because they are locked to their job for life and probably feel inhibited from re-inventing themselves. The UK is re-invention central it is the type of country that homogenous Scandinavian countries pretend to be you can be everything to everybody in the UK Or nobody to yourself. In Spain you are probably going to be having a similar type of day to the one you had twenty years ago
AssociateInside9680@reddit
No country is entirely crap. Lets face it if it was crap you'd have gone back to where you feel you belong and not settled down with a English women and had a child . I'm guessing our free at the point of access healthcare , our modern culture of bending over backwards for every culture and strong discrimination laws (in comparison to many other countries ) ultra political correctness and workers rights (yes I know they have been eroded over the years ) with strong holiday and sick leave entitlement the norm in most jobs still stak up well against those of the American worker. I can't think of another country in Western Europe that caters for every dietary requirement and religious belief . Sexual orientation is protected by law and so are an assortment of learning difficulties , disabilities and mental health conditions . The UK is far more liberal and tolerant then overrated countries like the Netherlands who used to have a big rep as the heigh of liberal utopia , I visited the Netherlands a few years ago the place looks like it never left the 1970s and there are not as many food options even in big cities. By the way you mention the UK and harp on about English people when we are made up of four countries who enjoy vast devolved powers and strong cultures and traditions of their own . The prob for Johnny or Jane Foreigner is that they often go back home and moan about a London experience being + a UK experience , granted to explore the whole of the UK takes time and a lot of money the UK is not one of the cheapest places to visit , but I'd listen to someone who really gone deep into our cultures and history and then tells me that our country is rubbish. Which I can guarantee they won't. I also can't think of any other country in WE where you can rock up with a piss poor grasp of the national language and get a job in a Doctors surgery or as a Restaurant manager regardless of the fact that your English is limited . You can also get into University and College here without a good grasp of English , people will not see this as a barrier to making friends with you or including you in fact I'm sure that deficiency is now a protected characteristic. Try rocking up in Spain with a poor level of Spanish and see how far you get in society . In Doctors surgeries , CAB's and many other buildings you'll see a wall with a poster offering a language option list that would make the United Nations happy . If you phone the cops or need to go to court you'll get a free at the point of access interpreter ."it's the miserable British people who have to pay for that " Have you ever wondered why many of us are so "miserable . It's not the weather Sherlock . It's more probable it's down to our establishment bending over backward and rolling out the door mat for Jane and Johnny come lately. All of these welcome pack goodies come with a price like British people not being able to access essential health care like Caner treatments or other public support . People from abroad love to complain in a lazy manner how our food is terrible . The difference between the UK and Spain is that you can spend your whole life in Britain and not ever have to touch a crumb of our indigenous recipes. In fact generations of Indian and Pakistanis and many others for that matter. Have lived for decades in the British Isles and stuck to their own cooking and food preferences. In Spain you have Spanish food and a very limited amount of options for any other type of cuisine made well (with the exception of cuisine that originates from the countries of South America ) You don't even have to mix with us British people you can live in a bubble with members of your own community and moan about bad British food our miserable weather (have you lived in Canada ) and all us English people some of whom happen to be Welsh , Scottish , Northern Irish , Cornish etc etc. People have always done this now with the advent of the internet you can be a home away from home with no of the appalling factors which lead to the move , such as limited choices and homogenous autocracies , UK supermarkets are far more diverse and inclusive then Spanish ones all the way from Asda to Waitrose . I lived in Spain I married a Spanish women and she worked from 9am to 8pm the long Spanish lunch break is a sucker punch. In the UK you get a short lunch , ordinarily in the majority of cases you clock off before 6pm and people can change jobs and reinvent themselves a hundred times over without any great drama . I also found my Spanish had to be near perfect before Doctors and other emergency services would help me . I remember when I first came to the country they would refuse help or assistance even in some life or near death situations , Even with basic Spanish in the UK someone would phone you back and offer the services of an interpreter . There are many problems in the UK but why don't you up sticks with your family and live in Albania for a year then come back and tell us how crap we are?
Wise-Secretary5404@reddit
London is shit, not the UK.
Just-Gap8409@reddit
I live in the UK and I personally think it is crappy. Overall, some cities like Hull, Bradford and Essex or pretty dull except in its city centre. Only visit really historic cities like York, London and Bath because they’ll have more architecture. If you do fancy to visit the UK or see the UK/visit your country everywhere, those places are best.
Express-Motor8292@reddit
Being from Hull, shithole it may be but with the greatest respect, fuck you! :)
Gonad-Brained-Gimp@reddit
perhaps if you love Hull so much, why dont you hate the graffiti tagging going on?
https://old.reddit.com/r/Hull/comments/144gt8y/guilt_tags_around_hull/l9ja1o1/
Also, why are you suddenly commenting on very old threads?
The above is over a year old.
Your current comment is replying to a 2 month old comment by a 1 karma user on a deleted 7 month old post.
Express-Motor8292@reddit
It clearly wasn’t a serious comment. I don’t especially like Hull, and it does have some serious issues. However, it is more interesting than most British cities of the same size.
Also, I’ll comment on whatever I like.
Gonad-Brained-Gimp@reddit
So, you're trolling.
Right, fine.
Express-Motor8292@reddit
Incorrect. Look, it would seem we both would like the city to improve, but have different priorities.
ApprehensiveStore839@reddit
Yes it’s fucking shite
DragonflyOk2876@reddit
During my 12 years there I felt everything was designed to cause maximum stress.
The house buying system, the NHS, trying to get a good school for my kid, childcare.
I'm glad I moved to the Netherlands.
FamiliarSolid3315@reddit
Could not agree more.
aseeklee@reddit
Reddit comments on any part of the UK will leave you thinking that the place is a post apocalyptic hell scape. Spouse and I were looking to buy a home in N Wales and based on comments we expected far worse than we encountered when we actually visited towns/villages for ourselves. We joke when we roll up to a "shithole" medieval town with a castle in the middle.
Apart from the misrepresentation of UK on reddit I would say that in much of the UK not much really happens. It's kind of like a game of musical chairs only no chairs are taken away, so everyone gets up and runs around and makes a fuss then everyone sits down again. Not much changes. News outlets try to create drama and intrigue but compared to countries that have actual turmoil and mayhem, it's much ado about nothing.
The landscape is also middling. It's green and, you know, pretty, fine, meh. It's not stunning (I'm thinking mostly of England). Nature is greatly depleted bc it's overcrowded.
Overall it's kind of a middling, boring sort of place, but honestly that's part of its appeal. It's not trying to be the best. People are stuck in it together and that creates a nice warm solidarity. The people are generally warm and caring. You honestly won't find better people anywhere in the world.
Obviously, I don't live in London and I'm sure things are different there. My advice is to stop looking for the best place to live and live more fully where you are. Pros and cons lists won't help you divine where to live. If you aren't happy where you are you won't be happy anywhere so just start working on being happy where you are and save yourself thousands of pounds.
Express-Motor8292@reddit
Surely everything you say about being middling and safe applies to every western country? I’m not sure what you say explains the dissatisfaction that apparently a lot of people feel in the UK.
Personally, I think it’s all overblown. Most people I speak to are happy despite living in one of the poorest cities in the country, I feel safe despite the few recent murders in an around my street. True, my hobbies could be more dynamic, but I genuinely feel the dissatisfaction says more about the individual than the country. I work for a global company and trust me, no one is doing anything much different to me, whether in the US, Poland, Germany or wherever.
Hannita988@reddit
I live in a town in the North West. I'm originally from a South Eastern European country. I'm married to a Brit. He is lovely. His country is crap. I absolutely hate everything about it. The weather always grey, no sunshine, polite but extremely fake people that love small talk but don't really care how are you truly - there are exceptions though but that's the general vibe, public transport is completely unreliable and rare, Nhs is horrid - I swear they practice medicine from 18th century, if you want to go private is too expensive, you can't even get to the nhs dentist so I have a separate savings account just for dental, because I ain't gonna be losing a tooth just because I live in this horrid country. The British people life revolves around the sofa and Netflix and a nice cup of tea 😄. Because the weather is crap and there's nothing else to do. Now for the upper middle class, it's not so bad, they can travel a lot more and go grab some sunshine, go shopping, go to restaurants... There's entertainment for the rich. If you're working class, your quality of life is gonna be much much lower than in your country unless your country of origin is a war thorn zone or you live in the Antarctic where it's freezing cold. Oh I forgot to add the crap maternity pay and extortionate expenses for childcare which are making me never want to make a baby here - poor baby what a depressing life it would have anyway.
Now before someone ask me why am I still here - I am here because I'm stuck, ok? We paid far too much money for my visas and I don't have the heart to tell my husband it was all in vain. I love him so much. It's difficult to just switch from one country to another without some proper savings etc. And we would need to be separated again which would be soul breaking.
So please if you're considering to move, please please don’t! Save yourself whilst you still can!
Pale_Reputation_3158@reddit
The uk sucks, all the food is gross and greasy. Pubs are alright nothing special, its just a lesser america. Legit every american city is better than manchester and london is alright at best
SpBob81@reddit
Yes it is. The British society is rotten to the core, and everything is falling apart. Move away while you can.
TumbleweedAbject355@reddit
No, after 7 years Living between Amsterdam and Barcelona. I wish I never left at all.
Haunting-Effort912@reddit
Some of you are making laugh. Leaving the uk for another European country then saying I wish I never left like duh, those are countries people spent a day or two or simply visit for a few days, what was the reason for living there? Your life won’t be upgraded for leaving the uk for an eu country and worse, a less developed one with low paid jobs type of country, going to places like Australia won’t help either - you will face similar issues you faced in the uk or worse but the weather will be nice and salary much higher. This still doesn’t mean it’s nice to live in the uk, it’s not.
The weather alone means for some people, they’re sad all the time. Many people are happier in poorer countries, you just have to think well enough to choose a good country to live in. If you’re used to having a system that works then you will always want to move back to the uk. If you don’t care, you will easily find joy elsewhere. Life isn’t just about money, systems, etc., it’s why people not born and raised here find it easy to leave the uk with no hesitation because they know 100% life can be better. If you were born and raised in the uk, you don’t have much comparison to make and moving as an adult to find a happy place to live in is much harder
twy783@reddit
Are you saying amsterdam and barcelona are not good places compared to the UK?
TumbleweedAbject355@reddit
I am saying they are underwhelming and in no way better. Once the novelty wears off it's the same shit different weather.
Each city is unique. Is the way if life so much better it's worse the time and investment to move? Not unless a life changing opportunity comes up like earning 50k more a year
nomadingwildshape@reddit
As someone who loves Barcelona from a short trip and interested in living there, can you expand on why you didn't enjoy your time there?
TumbleweedAbject355@reddit
Because living here is nothing like the holiday lol. It's a faux insight that makes it look glamorous and grand when really it's pretty fake. With atrocious bureaucracy and a quality of life that doesnt match the perception
nomadingwildshape@reddit
I stayed in the gothic quarter and loved their restaurant/late night culture. Loved Spanish food. Loved on the weekend after work I could take a train north straight into a hiking trail 20-30 min from downtown. Beach within walking distance. Liberal (USA context) culture especially with nudity (first nude beach for me). Loved walking around and discovering a free street concert at night, cool buildings, great public transport.
But I only stayed two weeks.
I hear the bureaucracy is bad regarding banning and renting.
What did you find beneath the cracks though? Was it a poor salary, shitty people to foreigners?
TumbleweedAbject355@reddit
Even getting paid 50k a year which works out over doubled the minimum wage after tax I still hated it lol.
There is no one thing I can highlight specifically because ultimately it's personal preference and a combination of factors that just make living here more hastle than it's worth.
the beaches around Barcelona are mostly fake and will be gone within 20 years because of sea level rise/erosion and the cost of maintenance isn't sustainable
the climate will go from being like Catalonia to like Cadiz or North Africa. With more wild fires and less water. There is already a 34 month long drought now
housing costs are insane and whatever you think something will cost in comparison to the UK will actually end up 2/3x more. Because the standard here is 3 months deposit, a months IVA, insurance, a month upfront and then agency fees etc.
public transport isn't good and if you live outaide the city commuting to the city more than twice a week is enough to make the strongest person contemplate suicide
everything is severely over populated to the point you could go to the most recluse spot in the whole country and still find a fiesta of 50 people
everything is designed for appearance and not function.
doing anything government related can longer than you can ever imagine in your wildest dreams. And you will face a lot of prejudice for being either white, English, American, not speaking Spanish or for just existing as a foreigner that exists any return from your social security and tax payments. (Like healthcare)
It's basically just a tourist circus that's only going to get worse as the years go on. And for cheaper and equally as good life. You could chose much much better. From my experience Spain is nothing but a suck fund designed to get free and easy wealth transfer from idiots that fall for the reputation it has.
Now I'm not saying its the worse place on earth. You can just do better and find all the same things you want.
nomadingwildshape@reddit
Thanks for the write up. I hope you find your home!
storm_borm@reddit
I’ve been in Amsterdam for four years, left the UK before Brexit was finalised. The career opportunities have been fantastic for me and the thing I love about Amsterdam is that there is always fun events happening. It’s very vibrant in that way.
However, I do get homesick sometimes. I miss British people and the countryside. The UK has beautiful nature spots and the Netherlands does not (except dunes). I’m also not a natural city person so Amsterdam feels too busy sometimes.
TumbleweedAbject355@reddit
Don't get me wrong, Amsterdam Is great. But I would argue it's the same as living in London and manchester etc
Most people I meet who are convinced it's a different world are from small towns of cities that literally have nothing to do
Ok-Assist-9288@reddit
" idea of settling down permanently away from home." Exactly is not your home, you don't see it as home, your just a parasite so bugger off back where you came from.
Heavy-Attitude5376@reddit
move up north into the country
Alternative_Eagle_49@reddit
Yes, the UK is a rubbish country. It has beautiful countryside, and although the weather thankfully doesn't get to any dangerous extremes as it does in other parts of the world, the almost interminable grey skies and rain is dismal.
But I could tolerate the lacklustre weather if the people in the country weren't broadly unlikable. There's also a distinct lack of any good career opportunities for people who are poor and don't have connections - because it's not really what you know, but who you know - always has been.
And with the economy and culture in general on a downward spiral - largely due to our own making - the outlook isn't good.
Unfair_Patience1089@reddit
A death sentence cardio disfunction in England, is but a two week hospital stay in Italia. ✊🏼
daydreamerknow@reddit
It’s not in your head. This country unfortunately can feel quite depressing. The weather is a massive part of it but I also feel people dont really want to be here.
I don’t really see many people thriving here, just managing and getting by - apart from the rich.
Outside of that group, we’re all trying to get by and trying to keep going but if you dwell on the negatives, it’s enough to stop you in your tracks.
So that’s where the holidays and trips come in to help you get along but if you don’t have a solid self care routine and something to look forward to every week, it can feel super hard and depressing.
The coast and countryside in this country really is something special but doesn’t come with all that London has to offer, including diversity of culture.
woodinoutweed@reddit
Anyone over 21+ need a job ? DM
king_yid81@reddit
Amazing the amount of people moaning about the British moaning in here
Status-Disaster-5628@reddit
You are making me moan
king_yid81@reddit
Great reposte, was worth the wait
stateoffutility@reddit
You're asking on Reddit where there's a loud minority of whiny people that genuinely believe the UK is shit, has gone to shit, politics is shit and so on.
Let's start with the fact that London is very different from many parts of the UK. Secondly, no, I don't think the UK is a bad place. You can make a decent living and there is no real "winter" many parts of the UK. Some people love the fact that the Gulf Stream is the way it is with mediocre weather conditions throughout the whole year. Sure there is a lot of rain and there are many problems in the UK, but to say it's crap is an overstatement.
I like some things in the UK and others I don't, but trust me, having lived and seen different places I can truly say there are many open-minded, kind and warm people in the UK. You won't find so many people like that in many parts of Tier 1 European countries.
TheDotingNomad@reddit
There are "open-minded, kind and warm people" in most of Europe too, why is the UK special?
stateoffutility@reddit
Not special but far friendlier people than in the Baltics for example. Italy's not exactly friendly to foreigners in most parts of it. There are a lot of conservative parts to Europe where UK stands out much better in terms of friendliness.
Status-Disaster-5628@reddit
lol what? The baltics are super friendly. Y’all literally voted for brexit because you have this creepy obsession with being xenophobic towards people from the baltics
TheDotingNomad@reddit
Western and Northern Europe have some of the most left leaning policies in the world, the UK is not that much friendlier than Denmark, Estonia etc and that definitely wasn't my experience as someone who lived there for a number of years
stateoffutility@reddit
I'm in Estonia right now and have lived here for a year. People being friendly here is not the case. In fact, befriending a local is very hard considering even the Eesti sub-reddit is full of topics from foreigners asking on tips on how to find friends, with locals replying "when you do find out, let me know as I still haven't figured that one out".
My point is the UK stands out pretty well when comparing to many countries in EU. That's not to say that EU doesn't have places with open-minded people.
TheDotingNomad@reddit
"some people complained about not being able to make friends on a subreddit, therefore the country writ large is unfriendly" is your reasoning?
There are regularly posts in London subreddits about the clique-ish nature of the city and even the UK in general. Which posts should be believed and which ones shouldn't be?
You are not making the case for this country being "the friendliest" in Europe at all and it's another on the long list of aspects of the UK that are grossly overstated.
Rink-a-dinkPanther@reddit
I left the UK in March 2020 and I miss it like mad it’s my home. I lived in Germany for the first three years since I left and now for 5 months I am living in Louisiana. I certainly realise now how much I took for granted in the Uk… especially since moving to US. Given the people here in America are friendly but it’s just not home to me here…. And as for the politics here in the south (😱)
VegetableChart8720@reddit
What are the things you think you took for granted in the UK?
Rink-a-dinkPanther@reddit
Freedom of thinking (and speaking) in my mother language (when in Germany), pavements and cycle lanes and being able to go for a walk or pop to the local shop rather than needing to drive. My friends and family. The many vegan options available in the Uk, the humour. Public transport and especially trains (there’s like zero public transport here in the capital city of Louisiana where I now live). I also miss how British people are in general and don’t feel I have a lot in common with folk in this area of Louisiana (it’s a very religious area, lots of trump supporters, heavy meat eaters, and it’s anti woman’s rights and choice. It’s anti lesbian/gay rights too and in general judging by the people who get voted in here in Louisiana I am politically the opposite to everyone around me.)
FrancoisKBones@reddit
Shame you’re not in New Orleans which is one of the most liberal, hedonistic cities in the world.
Status-Disaster-5628@reddit
It’s actually not at all liberal but certainly very hedonistic
emsuperstar@reddit
Yeah, I was just thinking, if OP is comdited to staying in the US, they would probably be happier in a different (more liberal) area.
MrBitz1990@reddit
Even still, that doesn’t address the public transportation and other stuff he brought up. The US is the most conservative “free” country in the world. Our democrats here are basically Tories in the UK.
Th3LastBastion@reddit
You'd probably fair better on the west coast like Cali or Oregon, or in one of the New England states such as Maine. You'll likely not find anywhere in the south that you'll identify with, and the Midwest is... the Midwest. They're mostly conservative, but also neither here nor there, nor care. They just work and live.
Rink-a-dinkPanther@reddit
Yes, those are the areas we would live if we had a choice.
siloxanesavior@reddit
Oh fuck, heavy meat eaters?
Captain_taco27@reddit
Based on everything you have stated You really moved to the wrong state.
Overall_Ad5379@reddit
The U.K will be more religious in the future. I'd stay in the U.S for your long term safety and prosperity.
FearlessNectarine86@reddit
Sorry for bringing up an old post, But are you actually allot better of in the US in terms on income and taxes? right now the UK is so expensive and the tax system is brutal. How the next generation can actually save to by is house is... well it just wont happen.
Jsc05@reddit
have you visited since ? I found alot of the stuff I miss isn't how I remember them, they've changed or I miss it enough to visit but not to return.
Rink-a-dinkPanther@reddit
I was over last month for my moms funeral.
cheesecow007@reddit
Wow Louisiana that must be a massive culture shock. The Deep South of the US is another world. Enjoy the crawfish gumbo and beignets!
Rink-a-dinkPanther@reddit
Yes it’s very different way people live here. I won’t be eating those as I am vegan, I pretty much just eat at home here it’s safer.
nomadingwildshape@reddit
I mean yeah, I hope you had a good reason for moving to Louisiana... If you would've asked any American they would've told you not to do that. The south is trash and the Midwest is for settling down with a family as 22. You're from the UK so you should've went to New England area for any semblance of home. NYC has trains, good food, and not a swamp of red politics. I would never live in Louisiana as an American from Kentucky.
Opening-Box-8618@reddit
Britain sucks. It has a glorified sense of self and police who protect pedophile rings. That is all.
Sea_Consequence1183@reddit
Large part's of the uk are likely bad due to lack of investment from the goverment deprvied area's have suffered worse specially the north east.
But it's the uk it's not like the usa really, American's have no free healthcare so yeah there's that.
But canada isn't much better it's important to tell people the reality why canada has it's problems overpriced housing high cost of rental's insane really even in there suburbs they pay 1k a month for a apartment crazy.
Alot of asain's have moved here, but japan is a craphole too expensive hated visiting it too.
Also reading has had investment no longer a crap place.
I think also forming a company here is a low cost compared what a us state offer's.
cote-de-pablo638@reddit
Hmm
Several_Bonus5715@reddit
I think in large part's of the uk people have nothing to do after I work I work for a tv company alot of the place is quite boring and depressing.
So people just go home after work, make 25k pa but it's not a money thing living in a village next to manchester is just fucking boring nothing goes on here I had to move her because of the landlord.
Alot of people are struggling but it's the uk it's not exactly the usa with high wage's Manchester is a dump too.
I think because people after work lack of things to do since of lower income's there stuck in crap one box flat's.
Alot of place's lack investment too so the poor local's are affected by hand's of the state.
It's not a age thing or to do with adulthood the uk is just fucking miserable in part's same crap terraced overpriced home's.
CommunitySafetyWatch@reddit
The UK's stolen £1.2 trillion
ObjectiveMall@reddit
There's a lot more excess of negativity, self-deprecation and self-criticism in Germany than there is in Britain.
throwitaway333111@reddit
Completely untrue. It's a common misconception that British people have of Germany.
Germany has a very strong underlying belief that it does things better than anywhere else. Being self-critical, especially about their history, actually feeds this belief that they are better than other countries that are uncritical.
While it is certainly not part of the culture to outwardly display positivity, about the state of the country or not, it is always underlined by a strong faith that their people, the ones that make up the institutions within the culture, are wiser and more astute than almost any other country.
A good indicator of this is their outward scepticism towards foreign education. A foreign education in the UK would be seen as a positive in most cases. A foreign education is seen as a disadvantage in Germany, even more so when the person is German.
Commonly Germans will acknowledge things that other countries do better than them. For example, the French and Italians with food, the Dutch with cycling infrastructure, the Spanish with their climate and living the good life. Historically, even British humour (although that's changed in recent decades).
However, there is always an implicit assumption that they must acknowledge these specific strengths to demonstrate that they do not universally believe that their own culture is better in all respects, while otherwise believing that their culture is better in all other respects.
ObjectiveMall@reddit
What utter BS. There is no denying that an Ivy League education brings with it an unparalleled sense of name recognition, prestige, and global career opportunities, and no German institution will come close.
throwitaway333111@reddit
What on earth is that supposed to mean? Ivy League has branding and international reputation. That doesn't change the fact that Germans have an overwhelming belief that, overall, foreign education and training is inferior to their own. No other country would think that going, for example, to the Netherlands to get your degree was a cop out and indicative of someone who couldn't hack it (with a heavy implication that they paid for their qualification).
Intrepid-Patient7309@reddit
Throwitaway is making brilliant points little understood and noticed about German culture. I am from the USA but studied for four years in Germany.
The underlying faith idea is completely misunderstood by people who have not studied or worked there.
Strict-Armadillo-199@reddit
Hmm. Lived in UK and worked internationally for British institution (most of my friends are British, from this time) and have been a PR in Germany for 20 years.
I really disagree with "a lot more excess" comparison. Germans love to moan about their government, etc. but I'd draw the line at genuine self-criticism. In my experience there's an underlying belief that everything here but the weather is better than elsewhere. In some cases I think they're right, such as quality of training/skills for tradespeople, that is reflected in the service you get time and again. Definitely not the case in US or UK in my experience.
Perhaps it depends on who you spend time with (and how much time on forums like this!). I've found over time it's rare to meet someone who is genuinely self-critical or even self-aware of differences, and that's always someone who's travelled and usually lived abroad. Most people I encounter in my rural area do not fit that description.
RueSando@reddit
I've only been drinking in Germany a handful of times but almost every time someone (very drunkenly) apologised for WWII.
Like, chill man you weren't even alive then.
leedscam@reddit
It was beautiful and I loved living here but certain people are destroying it because of greed or cowardice (both shameful)
Significant_Owl7745@reddit
I left the UK but its ok and you can have a good life there. Id say moaning and complaining is a national British past time so it may lead you to think everyone hates it there when its just how the cultures setup.
GreyGoosey@reddit
British folks love to moan and complain and some of it is also just the classic British banter. I’ve married into a British family and after a decade I’ve gotten used to it and it doesn’t bother me no more - dare I say I enjoy it now!
Living in the UK and with British folks requires building up a tolerance to negativity and being able to retreat to your happy place in your mind. Only some from my experience were able to.
Don’t sweat it if you’re unable to :)
FearlessNectarine86@reddit
I can't stand the moaning and the negativity and I'm English! You know if I have a business idea or I start a goal (going to the gym) In the Uk now I just keep it to my self and get my head down.
If it was in the US people are like AWESOME!!!!! keep up the good work! I don't know how sincere it is but on the surface people are generally positive. In the UK people are like you cant do that because Blaahh blahhh your gonna fail so why even bother I wanted to be xyz but I cant because so n so did this to me!!!! soo what gives you the audacity to even try...
GreyGoosey@reddit
I mean, as with anywhere it does come down to the folks around you.
In North America yes, they project the positivity more on average, but it really boils down to the folks on whether it is actually genuine or not.
Likewise the folks around me who are British, they may dish out some banter but a fair few are just joking and do actually wish you well on your big ideas.
Amnesia1507@reddit
it’s a dump
domsolanke@reddit
During the last ten years I’ve lived in Denmark, the UK, Costa Rica, Australia and South Korea, and with all things considered, the UK is by far the best place to live. It’s not even close, really.
domsolanke@reddit
Denmark and especially Australia are WAY too boring for my taste, South Korea was interesting in the beginning but just not very doable long-term (for a long list of reasons) and Costa Rica was too humid and in many ways too backwards for my liking. No country is perfect, but the UK just has the perfect blend of everything in my opinion.
Tenshi1977@reddit (OP)
That's a great sample of very different places, would you care to elaborate why?
BlueMaelstromX@reddit
It looks crap when I watch those UK ambulance shows.. they loading up a lot of drunks.. also dont they have like tiny houses with really low ceilings jn the more rural areas.
That-Whereas3367@reddit
Remove London and you are left with a developing country with terrible weather. The glory days ended 120 years ago but the British still haven't got the message.
Wealthy migrants are going to Australia, Canada and NZ.
FlappyBored@reddit
They aren’t really. The amount of migrants from NZ moving to London for better wages and career prospects than in NZ proves it really.
FirmMaintenance9705@reddit
The people of the UK are different depending on which part of the country you are in. I am currently in a rural part of the country where people are very cold and reserved. I went to Brighton for uni and the people were so different it was almost like being in a whole different country. The people in Brighton were warm, friendly, generally happier and outgoing.
There is a thing called ''northern hospitality'' i.e people up North are friendlier than downsouth. You might just be in a part of the UK like the part I am in currently where people are cold and reserved.
JoeLovesTradBows@reddit
Grew up in London, lived there for 25 years. Yes, it's shit.
DeutschlandUS@reddit
The UK weather issue is not unique. It is shared by many in the northern hemisphere.
Key_Caterpillar_5047@reddit
I lived in the UK for 9 years, grew up in Vancouver but was sent to a boarding school when Mt parents moved for work in the UK. It was pretty awful, a lot of bad things happen in places like that. I have a pretty negative view of the country overall but I think I'm just biased. Anyway, I came back to Canada, have some issues adjusting into normal life but I've been trying my best. The UK was very restrictive and I didn't really make a lot of friends, I dreamt every day of returning to Canada. I used to hide pictures of Vancouver in my shoes haha. The English students would destroy them, because they knew they held value for me. This happened over years, now I find it hard to keep possessions. I have like one mattress in my apartment. It keeps going through my head someone will come onto my room and destroy everything. I have an aversion to loss but I am trying to work through it. The one thing that the UK taught me is that you have to be comfortable with losing everything in life, especially if it means you can be happier elsewhere. But make sure your there for your kids and don't send them away to a place like I was sent to.
Tenshi1977@reddit (OP)
Sounds absolutely awful, sorry to hear that. The boarding school culture in the UK sounds like one of the most toxic environments I've heard of, wouldn't send my kid to one in a million years.
LegitimateBoot1395@reddit
Have this debate a lot with my friends. We all grew up in the UK, some of us have lived abroad. The best way to describe the UK is it has no extreme negative features. Honestly, I think it is the best balance of all countries. For sure, it doesn't rank #1 in any particular part of modern life, but it also doesn't have any major weaknesses. E.g. you earn less than the US, but you don't worry about being bankrupted by medical bills. You have rain, but no forest fires or tornados or tsunamis. People can be miserable, but no one is going to take an AR-15 into a shopping mall. There are crappy politicians, but the law is followed and there is minimal corruption Etc etc etc.
TheDotingNomad@reddit
Canada...
krispyricewithanegg@reddit
As an American, I'm considering moving to the UK. The UK has so many things I want: walkability, safety, lots of parks/green spaces in London, beautiful walking/hiking trails, compact country that's easy to get around, proximity to Europe, funny, self-deprecating humor.
Also I find American toxic positivity really draining. Here you basically are forced to be every second of your life. People cannot handle negativity at all here. It's very strange.
Other negatives: school shootings, need a car to drive everywhere, inflation is insane, tipping culture, weather where I live is either very cold or very hot and muggy, etc.
Subject_Ad_9680@reddit
You have not seen the inflation rate in UK, have you?
krispyricewithanegg@reddit
You get a lot more for your money right now in the UK I think. I was blown away by how cheap it was compared to the states. A glass of wine costs $15-17. And that doesn't include state tax and a 20% tip.
hanterloar@reddit
Prices cheap compared to the US because in the UK average salaries in many industries are much lower. Some things are much more expensive in UK (petrol, heating), and other things more expensive in US (food).
blatchcorn@reddit
Also income tax is much higher and I believe no US state has higher sales tax than the UK VAT
GreyGoosey@reddit
This is the funny thing I’ve found too and really depends on where in North America you are.
Petrol for the UK is hands down bloody expensive compared to even the most expensive in North America.
Heating actually depends. Comparing my family and friends in both areas, North America can appear cheaper because the summers are as cheap as chips, but once that -48c weather rolls around you can get waaaay more expensive more months than the UK at the end of those months. But, because in the UK you are likely to have the heat on every so often for more months, it can even out on average likely.
Electricity id agree, but again, depends where you are in North America. Where I have data on, it is about on par. UK seems more to my group because the heating components of the home are mostly electrical too. But, for the average Joe - about on par if not JUST a little more expensive in the UK.
The one thing I’ve found is electronics are much more expensive in the UK. Household appliances too, but the thing I’ve noticed is that the UK at least has quality options for the lower budgets. A good enough hob that will work for a very long time is like £150 (I know because we have one in our family - they say about £100 at the time they got it). But, in North America you’d be lucky to find something like that for $400 + tax that would last you 5 years.
In my group we’ve basically boiled it down to the UK being good and cheap(er) for necessities (housing aside in some areas, but again that’s the case in every country nowadays), but expensive (or at least more expensive) for items considered as more of a luxury item.
Whereas North America is cheaper for luxury items, but unbelievably expensive (including poor quality) for things folks need to survive, like food, internet and telecommunications access, vehicles, etc…
PlatypusAmbitious430@reddit
British people complain about public transport all the time - we think it's terrible.
We complain about our trains, our buses and our roads but we also vocally oppose any developments that could improve any of it all.
Fun_Abies_7436@reddit
that said, idk if london is that safe rn
Fun_Abies_7436@reddit
a dose of nice whiskey in nyc is $30, after tax and tips. it's insane.
larrykeras@reddit
no, the internet complainers tend to have a very narrow point of view
the US CPI, indexed to 2015, is at 131
the UK CPI, indexed to 2015, is at 130-132, depending on inclusion of housing.
blatchcorn@reddit
Now compare wage growth since 2015 for the US vs the UK. That will give you a more complete picture of why people in the UK are poor
Goochregent@reddit
I too struggle with the American positivity. Its so draining haha. Sometimes things are not fun and just need to be done, right? I think its admirable in its own right but not for me.
krispyricewithanegg@reddit
I am generally positive but there are times when I wish I could just be honest. Or blow off steam. But it's almost taboo lol
aseeklee@reddit
British people are def not honest about what they are feeling. Above all they will try to be polite and passive aggressive if the situation calls for it. They can be quite indirect. Americans are far more direct.
Goochregent@reddit
I can believe it. I work with a lot of Americans and sometimes I think "you can't possibly think this generic paperwork is THIS exciting right?"
Wematanye99@reddit
Couple of problems with this post as a Brit. The walkablity is not by design it’s because we all live on top of each other.Everything is close because it has to be there isn’t any space. Most houses are semi detached and you get to hear your neighbors cutting vegetables across the wall. Safety is subjective. No school shooting but if you are walking on your own and run into a group of lads you are not safe.
krispyricewithanegg@reddit
Thanks for your perspective. I have probably romanticized the UK in my head as I've never lived there before. The semi-detached house thing is a bit strange to me as an American.
But have you lived in the states? It's genuinely so isolating and annoying to live in most American suburbs because they're built for cars. You can't walk to literally anything - not coffee, not a grocery store, not a bar. Need milk? You're getting in your car and driving to the store.
Almost everything in this country is built for cars, not people. To live in the vast majority of our cities (besides Chicago, Philly and NYC) you need a car. We spend so much time in traffic. It's insane.
larrykeras@reddit
...
but have you...considered NOT living in the suburbs?
cars are the #1 mode of transport in the UK, at 3x the rate of public transport, and 40% of cars were used for journeys <2 miles.
transport is also the highest average household expenditure, higher than housing + utilities, and higher than food and meals.
source: uk office of national statistics
krispyricewithanegg@reddit
I've lived in many American cities. You still need a car in most cities such as Denver and Austin. As I said, there are several American cities where you don't need a car like NYC, Chicago, and Philly. But we have very poor public transit for the most part. And very few trains which is a bummer.
larrykeras@reddit
I've lived in both Denver and Austin.
Austin is not strongly car-dependent. It's a student city with 50,000 population, who don't all live on campus (they live south in Riverside or spread across north of campus)
Denver happens to have both trains and lightrail. From downtown, I rode my bike to work.
krispyricewithanegg@reddit
I would argue it is. I lived there for 3 years. The city of Austin's walk score is 42, making it a car-dependent city.
Can you walk on S. Lamar? Yes. Is it fun? Not at all.
https://www.walkscore.com/TX/Austin
FlusteredPigeon@reddit
As a Brit, I will say that the UK as a whole is very walkable. If you live in a big town or city, you don't need a car, as public transport is frequent, and urban areas are very walkable. Our town centres in most smaller towns also tend to be pedestrianised where no traffic passes through, or is heavily limited, which is lovely.
You do need a car in the countryside, just because transport links between villages are very limited.
If I lived in London, it would be a total waste of money owning a car, personally, and when I've lived in other cities I've never needed a car.
Strict-Armadillo-199@reddit
Yes, as an American who has lived in the UK, you have definitely romanticised it. I agree with everything the British user said. I also have a nostalgic view of the UK. It was the second stop in my expat tour, the first place I lived as a real adult, including my own country. I was 27, got married, got a residence permit, got a shit job and then another shot job to pay the bills (barely) because using my degree in a white collar job was a fantasy there. My husband with his master's fell back on doing building work, his trade before getting a first class honors degree from Glasgow University. Or, he was on the dole to survive. About cars, yes, public transport was decent in the city. Taking a bus trip to a historic site out if town was a rare treat, though, because of cost. We had to scrimp and save the rest of the month if we did that. If you have some job in finance or something, disregard what I'm saying. But as two people educated in arts/liberal arts we might as well not have had those degrees for the jobs available. We lived hand to mouth. A question everyone asked "Does you husband have work? Oh that's good, that's good.". With the current COL crisis people are really suffering right now, even with full-time work. I listen to a daily call-in show where "How are you going without to have Christmas" type topics are a regular feature. And this is a station associated with middle class typrs. We eventually left for teaching jobs in Europe and our standard of living was much better. So I have my fond memories, but also a huge dose of reality. If you're serious about emigrating there, I really suggest taking a dose of that same so you know what you're getting into.
I still listen to BBC 4 for my news for at least an hour every day (often more) because of my nostalgic connection (and because I have 0 interest in the farce that is US politics at this point). I suggest you do the same for 6 weeks or so. That's a real eye opener as to how the NSH is in severe crisis and people are going without healthcare, even in emergencies. You'll hear about knife crime, the rise in people depending on food banks, systemic racism, and government that many will tell you is selling out the country to benefit the 1%. I used to think I'd jump at the chance to move back to the UK, but at least in Germany I have a decent standard of living and don't fear gangs of antisocial youth on corners and public transport (my husband was put in the hospital once from a beating over football clubs, I got chased for wearing a dress they didn't like. And verbal abuse is just a daily occurrence you put up with). I know I'm far better just daydreaming about my less than perfect 20s in the UK than I ever would be moving back. I take holidays there in the summer for the countryside, the pubs, the food, the banter. And to relive the not so good good old days.
Impossible_Most5861@reddit
My cousin has lived in Atlanta for nearly 20 years. When her mum used to visit her she used to go on a daily walk as she would back home. She was in her late 60's when she last went. She would be constantly stopped by cars asking if she wanted a ride. She'd tell them no thank you she just needed to walk! People would be so confused seeing an elderly lady out walking because no one else was.
I think this is why I've only ever been drawn to visiting NYC so I'm able to get on the subway. Everywhere else just seems so vast with everything so far apart. And I'm scared to drive on the wrong side of the road lol.
Sweet-Swordfish@reddit
London and safety is a thing of the past but yeah I guess there’s less guns. Definitely come visit the uk 🍻
RueSando@reddit
MiL came to visit and got robbed shortly after landing in Heathrow.
Wife also witnessed someone getting stabbed.
Always heard used to hear about it but never experienced any of it myself during the 20-odd years I lived there.
Needless to say it's coloured their opinion of us. :L
Goochregent@reddit
Compared to many US cities, London is quite safe (unfortunately!). Not just counting guns, knife crime is less too.
krispyricewithanegg@reddit
I was literally just there for two weeks lol.
noizey65@reddit
just as an outside voice, you’ve got the life I wish I could have in many ways. American who lived so happily in London till I left my job and gave up my T2 visa to move back stateside during pandemic (had a baby and needed to be close to family). It’s very challenging to get back unless my job responsored me, which is unlikely, and every day I long for how happy we were as a family in London. Walking everywhere, indulging in the beautiful nooks and crannies of local cafes, quality of produce, access to nhs, people’s care for their neighbor and community, and being steeped in tradition and history. These are things I think you realize and recognize, but perhaps have been there long enough to take slightly for granted?
Tenshi1977@reddit (OP)
I think you're absolutely right, thank you. Do you feel there's more of a sense of community here? Not many people say this about London and I always felt that was one of the strongest things about the US, a strong sense of neighbour and community (obviously depends on where you live).
noizey65@reddit
It depends very much so on where you live, state and county and city / town wise when in the states. I would venture to say that in the east and west coast major cities that no, there’s less community and rather a higher level of individualism and selfish, narcissistic behavior post covid than ever before. Midwest and small town america have their charm and fair share of community.
I think another aspect is- when you’ve got a child, parents can feel tremendous weight of loneliness and isolation because your world now just got both simultaneously smaller and bigger all at once. Smaller because you’ve got a strong reason to be home and caring for your partner and newborn, and bigger because your purpose is now far beyond your own existence. That weight of responsibility can be quite a bit much. So you feel guilty or rather, commoditize those moments that belong to you and which you need - whether an egg and cress in the park at 12:30 on a Tuesday or a cheeky pint at 4. Indulge in that which is not self destructive but allows you to be yourself and also make sure you have your partner have some time to themselves too
I must say London is a brilliant place to allow for an individual to feel that freedom and be lost if not just for a little while
Tenshi1977@reddit (OP)
That's tremendously insightful, thanks again.
Bluebrother1878@reddit
English born and bred (North West), I've travelled extensively and have lived in various cities worldwide.
Is the UK crap? IMO, yes, it is. But it isn't just as simple as saying that, it has many good things going for it. The countryside, sporting culture, engineering expertise, humour, food diversity to name a few but there's plenty wrong with the country also. A lot of people are very closed minded, the transport systems - both public and roads is awful and expensive, the media is depressing, the political parties even more so, everything seems Londoncentric (H2S as an example). But more than anything, and maybe this is just me, but there seems a huge sense of entitlement and selfishness towards pretty much every aspect of life. I don't usually get that feeling when I'm abroad although I appreciate that maybe because I don't fluently speak the language or spend enough time there. Just my thoughts though.
_u_0112_@reddit
As someone having had recently become British but not born here, I must say that even after 7 years of living here, I am still in love with the country. It is true, my English partner always has something bad to say about the UK, and especially London (so maybe it is an English trait).
But I am always just in awe. Just go outside, in a big city, see the diversity, the entertainment, the possibilities, how vibrant and dynamic life can be; alternatively go coast or countryside and see the beautifully changing seasons, the architecture, the greenery everywhere.
Let alone the ubiquitous British culture with its pubs and chill life; or the fascinating history of the country; or the weather that is always a mood; or even the food which I absolutely love. I don't know man, I am probably just obsessed :))
But just remember why you chose to move here in the first instance, you surely saw something in the UK that appealed to you, find it again
EleFacCafele@reddit
As a Romanian settled legally in the early 90s I had to endure discrimination at work (I was an IT professional), anti-Romanian propaganda starting around 2012 and still going on, horrible weather, huge prices, longhours commuting, no British friends, to name a few of the problems. If I was complaining, the Britons told me to go back in my country, bitting the hand that feeds, etc.
And guess what? In 2019, just before covid, I relocated in Bucharest, my hometown. I started to work as a contractor in Europe with my Romanian passport as British one is worthless in terms of working rights. My life is much better in Bucharest in every sense. I would never relocate back to the UK.
someguy984@reddit
Man arrested for wearing a Halloween costume?? UK has thought crime laws, what a dump.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-67294873
NomadicDillon@reddit
Yes
CrowtheHathaway@reddit
I once attended an acting class where we had to work on the concept of “thinking the thoughts of a character”. What I learned was that every character has a core belief that you need to identify and interpret. The acting coach also said that nationalities also have a core belief. So for a Russian their core belief is that “Life is hard”. For an English person their core belief is that “Life is Shit”. Everything about living in England makes me believe that this is true. English people accept and put up with a lot of shit in their lives. It’s as if deep down they don’t believe that life can be better.
Direct-Ad2561@reddit
This is so beautifully explained.
RueSando@reddit
Not even gonna try refute this. :L
Bolvane@reddit
I have to say I agree with you there, I lived for 7 years in the UK growing up and given I left at the first chance i got I definitely hold some very... mixed feelings towards it...
The country has a lot going for it - So much culture, sport, good food, nightlife, a decent economy (more so pre-Brexit but still) and much more, but theres also a constant lingering sense of something off that I could never shake and it lies mainly with some of the people there.
Theres many excellent folks there of course, but it does feel like the national pysche is a rather pessimistic one tbh, sorta like people are sick of everything, but too set in their ways to even care about changing it. Suppose the collapse of the empire and traditional industries and the identity crisis that brought doesn't help either, the whole thing gives off a very depressing atmosphere at times, and I say that as someone from dark and isolated Iceland of all places...
Mountain_Disaster743@reddit
The grass is greener where you water it. Or it’s green because it’s the UK. In the 90s, my family moved to Madrid when I was a teenager. I remember seeing the city and surrounding areas from the airplane. It was flat and brown with no vegetation. Nothing can really grow there without irrigation and if it what can grow is only suitable if you’re a goat. Two summers later, I flew to the UK for a summer camp in York. I flew into Heathrow and it was green and beautiful, like the Emerald City. Gardens and trees and parks with grass. It was such a relief.
You must be really successful if you can afford a home in London, btw.
Aggravating-End-7774@reddit
Not so different from the US, IMO. Which is bad.
Very bad.
Vireosolitarius@reddit
Don’t let the door hit your ass as you leave
Wide_Annual_3091@reddit
It’s a case of “the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence”. I always imagined moving abroad and did so last year. I’ve never been more unhappy, and we’re actively planning on moving home (having been taught quite a valuable lesson about expectations V reality). I don’t think that’s everyone’s experience obviously - a lot of people move and absolutely love it - but it’s not guaranteed by any measure.
kodix4@reddit
Where did you move to and where are you from?
Wide_Annual_3091@reddit
From the UK to Malta. Everything is subjective and I think I have some fair criticisms, but tbh it’s mostly just that the landscape and social culture is way different from what I’m used to and I haven’t been able to adapt. Many people love it, so I’m not hating on the place - it’s just not for me.
kodix4@reddit
Wow, super interesting, thanks for sharing! :)
Outside-Island-206@reddit
Agree, it took moving abroad for me to appreciate all the things I love about the UK. The access to so much history, culture, travel and generally things to and see, in such a small space, is unrivalled anywhere else I've been. I live in Australia now, and yes the beaches are nice but I'm honestly bored to death.
domsolanke@reddit
Same. I’m on my fourth year in Australia (Melbourne/Sydney) and it’s mindnumbingly boring down here compared to the UK and the rest of western/northern Europe. The lack of decent cultural offers really gets to you after a while as a native European.
wookiewonderland@reddit
This. I've lived in the Netherlands for 23 years, and in that time, I've seen more people go back home (UK) than actually stay. Some leave after 6 months, others after 3 years. Expectations V reality was definitely a factor for some of them.
Federal-Membership-1@reddit
Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way
OutsideWishbone7@reddit
I’ve always hated the U.K. my parents worked abroad from when I was 7 to 18 and I spent holidays with them. Maybe it is grass is always greener syndrome, but the vibrancy of life in other countries puts the U.K. to shame. Here it seems to be work/walk to a pub/sit at home. The streets are empty, the whole country feels post-apocalyptic with supermarkets having little on their shelves. I’ve now worked all over the world and found Latin America alive, South East Asia alive, Europe alive, North America alive and amazing money…. U.K. dead, cold, wet. Everyone looks like they have been chewing wasps. So as soon as my children were grown I have transplanted elsewhere…. Ok so we have some history, but I can see that on a 2 week visit.
hijo_de_puta_69@reddit
What countries did you enjoy the most?
MaltaMassive@reddit
The life of an immigrant is a lonely one. I don’t want to go back to the UK, but I don’t want to stay where I am. Where next?
SuperLux78@reddit
If you can afford to buy a house London you're doing better than nearly everyone else. Maybe you should count your blessings. It is crap though, that's why I left.
bluecheese2040@reddit
No, we are having an identity crisis. Brits moan more than most. Our weather is terrible...our government is bad...or roads sick...public transport us bad booohooo people are dying to come here everyday. Things are struggling yes but post brexit we've been told we are finished everyday fir years and people believe it.
People in the UK and especially on social media tend to be dumb and ignorant. We had bad times and they became good times. It's boom and bust. But people don't know their history cause our education system doesn't teach them.
pentesticals@reddit
I’d say it’s pretty crap, from the Uk, moved away 6 years and would probably never go back.
victoriascrumptious@reddit
Hey. You feel like this because you have lived elsewhere. Not because it’s good/band. This is just the expat experience. Is it crap in the Uk? Yes and no. If you moved anywhere else you’d have the same thought process. Everywhere you go is both crap and great at the same time
onitshaanambra@reddit
If you're tired of London, you are tired of life.
gweilo_waygook_guiri@reddit
Yeah
uniquechill@reddit
"a cold, miserable place that even the English want to escape from"
There is a reason this small island built a global empire.
musa_maximus@reddit
I've heard this saying which goes something like "British food and British women were the bedrock for a great nation of seafarers" ;-)
Key-Ad-742@reddit
That was greed and apathy.
Embarrassed_Put_7892@reddit
I don’t think it’s crap. I don’t like London particularly but I’m from Devon and the moors and beaches are wonderful. Especially in the summer. I am looking to move back in the next couple of years cos I miss it a lot.
NoCare7846@reddit
if you bought a house in london, youre loaded. Get a life
Jsc05@reddit
I would say it's going through a moment but having lived aboard for a while you often see people with grass is always greener. It's not a bad place but certainly a harder place to lvie than before and why many are emigrating.
Optimistic_Lalala@reddit
I’m from China and I only managed to get a job in the UK as I finished my university here. Comparing to China, the UK is great in many aspects, but comparing to other Western countries? Not really.
I would much prefer to live in Singapore or Taiwan if I have a choice, especially Singapore.
lookwhoshere0@reddit
FOMO
callmedavo@reddit
London is expensive. London is challenging. But it is extremely difficult to replace its cosmopolitan-ess. I’ve also lived in several places; I grew up here tried the States, Africa, and Europe. Ended up back in London. And I am able to list all the problems easily, but I am uncertain where I could find an equivalent for everything else! For now.
Aask115@reddit
I lived in the UK for 3 years. Leaving soon “officially” (cuz my visa ends), and I'm not sad about it at all. I'm excited for my next chapter.
Overcast skies probably 300 days of the year (or damn near), rain as well, on top of lots of drinking (esp in northern Ireland; England isn't far off). In fact, in northern Ireland a famous painting from ages ago said basically “what we live to to do is drink and eat” and that has not changed IMO and its been hundreds of years.
Reasonable-Branch681@reddit
I came to the UK as an expat, lived there a long while and then emigrated somewhere better, warmer, with a better standard of living and balance of life.
I never like it from the off. I wanted to leave my whole life there and eventually did. I have no regrets.
What is good about the UK are cultural things mainly - British humour, the pub life, the belief in decency and fairness and opportunity to start businesses and do what you want in life.
Most other countries have much of this too. I don’t think that the UK has a great quality of life to offer unless you are in the top 15% of income.
Poverty has got worse, the place is going down hill after such a lousy government and it’s self inflicted wound of leaving the EU to go backwards what it was in the 1970s.
So I’m a bit negative I’m afraid. You probably wouldn’t miss it that much if you left for somewhere decent in Europe or maybe the US or Canada or New Zealand
TheChanger@reddit
I moved back from London to Ireland due to unfortunate circumstances. The weather's worse, public transport is non-existent compared to the UK. I miss life there – the availability of restaurants, pubs, museums, events and amazing choice of gigs. Plus it's easier to travel to Europe with the Eurostar, and more airports.
Trying to return.
PibeauTheConqueror@reddit
There's a reason the British were the best sailor: the weather, the women, and the food
MonkeyKingCoffee@reddit
The American South chiming in.
I'm basically required to be contrite and ashamed of my past. And yet, the American South gave the world:
1) Jazz
2) Rock 'n' Roll
3) Bourbon
4) Barbecue
5) Fried Chicken
6) Biscuits (totally different from your biscuits -- I understand the difference. I'll take a Southern biscuit over a billion UK "biscuits.")
7) Cola. (Coke? Pepsi? Both Southern.)
I can be proud of that (and who wouldn't be?) But I can also realize that god damn did we do some awful things. And yet, other than Cola, the rest of the list was a "we're all in this together" invention/innovation. Especially jazz.
It's the same with the UK. I can list things to be proud of all day -- James Watt, Charles Darwin, exploration in general, the Magna Carta, Scottish philosophers who created the modern liberal republic, IPA, pasties, Scotch whiskey, prog rock, punk.
Be proud of the good things. And acknowledge the bad.
last_minute_winner@reddit
I think this misses the point of why Brits are how we are. We’re not miserable because we’re ashamed, we just live in a bleak grey country with little in the way of food culture, with familial structures that aren’t as interconnected as elsewhere.
We become grumpy, independent adults who work too much for too little with the goal posts always changing. I have a good job and a salary that many here would consider a very good one yet I still have pretty average things.
It’s a slowly decaying place, hollowed out with foreign investment and the mega rich.
That’s why it seems meh, because it truly is. But I don’t think any sort of guilt complex from “ruling the seas” plays into it.
MonkeyKingCoffee@reddit
You have great food in the UK. And lovely summers. (I've visited at all times of the year.)
Food-wise, you're basically like the US was 30 years ago -- with mostly mass-market crap being sold at carbon-copy supermarkets. But when I go out into the rural areas -- where I can find the best cheese on earth -- it reminds me what an embarrassment of riches you have. Everything dairy related is peerless. (The French will take issue but who cares? I also don't think they're be best bakers on Earth.)
There is nothing stopping you from seeking out "the good stuff" and eating that.
As for your weather, it is generally pleasant. Sort of like San Francisco -- which is the place I visit most. It doesn't matter what time of the year it is, I know what I'm going to get. Yes, I like to joke that the coldest I have ever been was England in July (and that's actually true -- 5am, 7c, pouring rain at Stonehenge for private access and I was not equipped for that.)
last_minute_winner@reddit
With all respect (how British 😉), I have grown up here but also extensively travelled so feel like I can compare fairly well home to where I’ve visited.
You’re totally right about the mass market chain shite that pervades every single British town making for a relatively identikit experience. It wasn’t always like this, it’s been a gradual thing for the past 20 years. However before that what was available was often even worse!
We don’t have a good ingrained food culture, partly because of what previous generations could actually grow but also because of our changeable climate. Not being able to eat outdoors for 4/5 months of the year does that to a nation.
I’m originally from Devon so have access to some of the best food you can get, it’s not all bad but as an overall picture it doesn’t compare to most places I’ve been.
Now when I say bleak and grey, I’m not saying I don’t like it - it makes me feel like I’m home 🙂
My fiancée is Mexican and we are moving over next year… now that is a fantastic food culture. I’ve also been over to the states and definitely felt like that was ahead in terms of what you can get food wise.
MonkeyKingCoffee@reddit
Food in the US is "the best of times, the worst of times."
At least today you can walk into any megamart and get some food which doesn't suck.
Most of our bread still contains enough sugar to be considered cake. Our dairy is literally toxic. But there is decent food available. And in some parts of the country, we can finally buy milk which doesn't need to be pasteurized because it isn't toxic.
There were always pockets of greatness in a land where the food culture was best described as "bleak" for 50 years. Southern barbecue and fried chicken, northern seafood, the entire west coast, Tex-Mex, New Mexico's chili culture.
But for most people, the food landscape is still best described as bleak. People can buy the good stuff -- they simply don't. They also don't cook. And they're killing themselves with microwaved industrial garbage and near-constant takeout. Most people here won't cook. It's not that they can't, or cannot afford to. They simply won't.
When I visit the UK -- even Tesco -- I can acquire better quality ingredients than I can in all but the most high-end US markets. Neither country is Italy, of course. But you really don't have it so bad on your side of the Atlantic.
If it makes you feel any better, I got sick of it as well. I bought a farm in Hawaii and I have surrounded myself with "best of the best in the world." The tomatoes and avocados which are basically infinite taste like heaven. Everything I grow is the best-tasting thing I have ever eaten.
People still eat garbage -- even here. It's depressing. But I don't have to worry about it. If people want to kill themselves eating McDonald's every day, that's their choice.
Enjoy Mexico. I always enjoy going there. And I agree their food scene is outstanding. If anything, they are underrated. Their cuisine is right up there with France, China and Italy.
bl4h101bl4h@reddit
Just stop watching the news. That simple.
CheetahUnited770@reddit
British native here, born in London grew up in and around London moved away at 19 to live in NZ and Aus for almost a decade then thought to myself "Wouldn't it be nice to move back home for a few years"...worst decision of my life, I was so depressed with the bubble, violence and shallow vapid nature of that city. I lasted about a year during which I saw my mental and physical health take a huge dive (pollution, drinking culture, expense of healthy food). I moved to BC, Canada a little over 4 years ago and even going back home to occasionally visit family gives me the heebie jeebies.
ToBeOrNotToBeHereNow@reddit
U.K. is not London, London is not U.K. 😊 London is London, a country on its own with its own specificities. Each neighbourhood is different and it all depends on the way you see life.
If you feel otherwise, nobody can change your mind (and it wouldn’t be recommended anyway).
Bear in mind that most workers are living in a certain place out of necessity, as a struggle, not as a choice. If you’re well off, then things are way different. Life’s always nicer (anywhere on this planet) when you have a home in a nice/safe area, freedom to plan your daily activities as you wish (not 2 hrs commuting + 9 hrs in an office => typical rat race), ability to enjoy your hobbies whenever you want, time to spend with your kids, etc.
ExeRiver@reddit
Most people I’ve known who have lived in different countries myself included are always missing something. You can settle down and be overall happy but still would like to move from time to time.
videki_man@reddit
Not sure, perhaps because I don't live in London (we live in the Southwest), but people here seem generally nice and positive. We've been only living here for 5 years but since we're from Eastern Europe which is well-known to be depressing, perhaps people seem happy to me only because I compare them to Eastern Europeans.
jupijap@reddit
Brexit
AdvantageBig568@reddit
Why do you think the British were so desperate to colonise the furthest reaches of Earth?
Herbiehund@reddit
Yes it's crap.
There's worse places but there's also far better.
And yes the weather is traumatic through winter and no real summer.
Many places in Europe have much better weather, transport, general infrastructure, housing, safety. and without the thuggish drinking culture.
People in the UK will be self deprecating but paradoxically if someone gets critical about the place they get all defensive. I actually think most people in the UK that haven't lived somewhere else don't realise how bad it is.
Goochregent@reddit
Sorry but its objectively not crap. "Traumatic" winter? Many places would be happy to show us what a traumatic winter is haha.
Its possible you find people get defensive because you start with declaring its crap just because many places in Europe (which are arguably a selection of the best countries in the world to live in) do things better. Losing in many respects to Germany, Austria or Switzerland is no shame in my mind.
I agree the drinking culture sucks, i am not a fan of it and I enjoy going to countries that have a nightlife not revolving about binge drinking.
NikNakskes@reddit
Hmmm. How you like the local weather is very subjective. I can see how a UK winter (or Dutch, German, Belgian, northern France etc) is "traumatic".
People look at me like I am a nutcase for saying the winters here in Northern Finland are much nicer than in Belgium (where I am from). In middle europe winters are chilly, wet, grey and gloomy. Here winter is freezing cold and darkness is pretty much 24/7 for a couple of months, but yet it isn't nearly as gloomy as middle europe. There is snow to brighten up the landscape, there are often open skies showing stars or northern lights and that very special winter sunlight that tries to almost come briefly around noon. Or the blue moment that occurs at dawn and dusk, when the landscape has this intense blue color.
Despite winters being maybe objectively more traumatic here, I find the gloom and wet much more depressing.
Historical-Effort435@reddit
This is the same experience for me, where im from winter was colder, but there was also less general humidity and the houses were more prepared, were Im livin g in the uk theres most everywhere and I have to have a dehumifier working 24/7.
And yes once I own a house and If I decide to do so, I can make it better and fix some of the issues, but still I miss the quality of the houses and apartments in mainland Europe
SensitiveDonkey5784@reddit
I agree that wet cold is harder to deal with than dry cold. At least with dry cold if you put on enough layers you "win" whereas with wet cold the damp will soak into your hair and clothes and end up down your neck and up your sleeves.
Pug_Grandma@reddit
Some people like cooler weather and hate hot places. Like me, for example.
snipdockter@reddit
Agree that cooler weather is nice, but its the constant rain and grey skies that got to me. There's places in the world where the weather is cooler and more temperate, but without the dampness.
Goochregent@reddit
Same. Can't deal with the tropical 28-36 degrees and 70% humidity all year!
Outside-Island-206@reddit
I thought I wanted hot weather until I lived in the tropics. Now it's occurred to me that I spent more time outside when I lived in the UK. However grey it might be, the weather is at least temperate. UK doesn't have the cold extremes of Canada or hot extremes of Australia, for example.
Goochregent@reddit
Yep. I relish the coming winter each year here in the UK. Fingers crossed we stand the test of global warming and don't lose what we have.
Singapore is exhausting honestly, you just want to hide in aircon.
m_jl_c@reddit
I lasted 4 years in London with many of the thoughts you’re having now. Noped the hell out and moved back to New York and am happy again. After getting back I finally could admit I hated it there. The damp gray really sucks the life out of the vibe. And everything is 100% harder than it needs to be, exacerbated by “keep calm and carry on” which is code for don’t complain. The words cunning, cheeky and slippery are nice ways of saying everyone’s trying to steal from you.
One of my early trips about 6 months in was to Barcelona and I remember thinking “look at all of these lazy idiots and how happy they are for no reason” at which point I caught myself and realized I was being a negative little bitch, a product of not having seen the sun for 6 months. The seasonal depression sneaks up on you except it’s all year round.
Mind you, I was living in Chelsea and making money… enough to live comfortably in London so this was not a function of not being able to enjoy it. Caught many a game at Stamford Bridge after hitting Zuma for cocktails beforehand, hung at 5 Hertford St etc. Rode motorbikes in Surrey on the weekend. Spent bank holiday weekends in Europe.
I also made some dear friends while I was there, and although most were not English I collected a couple natives. But the underlying energy and crabs in a bucket mentality really got to me.
I’m not telling you what to do, just my own personal anecdote. Best of luck on the journey.
Historical-Effort435@reddit
I was raised in Spain and to be honest I like the UK my spanish wife does not.
Its the same the other way around, british move overseas and after a few years feel homesick ,when you have the possibility of living in a faily developed modern country and your used to a way of living, its easy to go back home and hard to move elsewhere, because one thing is spending some years exploring some new country but other is to decided that your going to grow old away from your country and your family.
AmerikanischerTopfen@reddit
Comparison is the thief of joy. Your happiness in life has way more to do with having good relationships, family, and community, having a reasonably rewarding job, hobbies you enjoy, liking your everyday environment, and being able to afford everything you need. Building those things in a country takes a long time and often has very little to do with the country itself.
Another country could be “better” but your life there may not be.
Tenshi1977@reddit (OP)
Thank you, I needed to hear this.
Kicking_Around@reddit
Can confirm. I live in the U.S. in California with great weather and I dream of being able to move to Europe. I’m getting so sick of the lunacy taking hold in this country, and it seems like people in the U.K. are much more sane and rational as a whole. And have much better manners.
Subject_Ad_9680@reddit
The success of being an expat is more determined by the relationships you form in the new country, rather than weather or public transport.
Sassywhat@reddit
Good public transport (and urbanism in general) makes it a lot easier to form relationships. I found better community and friends in just one year in Tokyo than many in California.
GreyGoosey@reddit
To add to the above, you shouldn’t discount indirect positives derived from things like weather and public transport, however, as the accessibility of things like easy public transport can open up the chances of a successful relationship being built.
Subject_Ad_9680@reddit
Yes, I agree, but this sub already HEAVILY favors things like easy public transport so for most people here, it's already factored in to their decision making. Ability to build relationships? Not as much
AmerikanischerTopfen@reddit
Exactly. When people ask “which (usually rich, developed) nation is best?” I always want to reply: probably the one where you can make friends, maintain interest and progress in language learning, and fit in well with the culture and values. Anything different is going to be a long slog.
smedsterwho@reddit
I'm English, late 30s, lived in the UK all my life until I was 29.
I try and spend at most two months of the year here - there are things to love in the UK, but I find it so depressed compared to everywhere else.
Not depressing, depressed.
My family is here, but I could not imagine spending my next 40 years here. The world is so beautiful, and there's wonderful ways to live your life.
I don't want to knock the UK too hard, I can absolutely write some wonderful things about it, but (especially since the B word), this country feels tired and worn out.
Girl-Incognit0@reddit
Not London, but I lived 3 years in a middle-sized town north of London. I absolutely loved it, every minute of it. If it hadn’t been for Covid, I’d still be there. I had kids, and I can honestly say, the school systems in the UK are much better than the US. They loved school there, and the transition back to the US was so difficult, it’s taken a lot of therapy and several years. And even being home 3 years now they still miss their school there.
I’m assuming you’re American? Apologies if not. If so, I’d recommend staying where you are (or trying out another EU country) to raise your child. Don’t do it here. At least until they’re out of school. We’ve done multiple school systems (public, private, charter) and the UK’s is the best we’ve tried so far. We did both public and private there.
If you feel like you need a change, maybe get out of the city and try a smaller town. I loved our town. Also, don’t forget you’re in a location that makes weekend travels to all kinds of places so easy. Get out and explore, take some mini holidays if you can, especially before your baby starts school and it gets a bit harder.
You’re living in a very magical place. Remember that you don’t have to feel miserable just because the locals do. Those attitudes will have been instilled in them from a young age and are probably never going to change. You’re fortunate because you still have the opportunity to look around you and see the magic and the beauty. Don’t let anyone take that from you.
Harry-le-Roy@reddit
This is an exercise in selection bias. All of the people who left were unhappy there. Moreover if you're unhappy there, you notice all of the people talking about being unhappy. The people who are happy there and who have no intention of ever leaving are comparatively invisible.
iate12muffins@reddit
I think you just sound like a miserable sod.
Which means you are now a fully integrated English person. Congratulations.
ComprehensiveNewt378@reddit
Yes
DenseElephant1856@reddit
Living abroad "breaks" you. You will always find something missing, because you will never really belong.
Coming back home won't help either, because it will not fell totally like home anymore.
You are something in between, and this feeling sucks.
I'm living in Germany and I feel the same way.
Just try checking Reddit subs for other countries, you will see the same complaints all over. I mean, the reason for the complaining changes, but the underline issue is just the same.
Overall_Ad5379@reddit
Always been like this. I saw a interesting interview by an expat who's lived in Singapore for over 40 yrs. He had the same views about London and the U.K
Shuggy539@reddit
My wife is British and we lived in Halifax for four years. Finally got out and won't be moving back.
Ok_Compiler@reddit
Absolute shit hole. How you manage four years in that dump?
Shuggy539@reddit
I drank a lot, basically.
Subject_Ad_9680@reddit
Won't be moving back to UK or Halifax?
Shuggy539@reddit
Both. Won't be moving back to the U.S. either, for that matter. Too many more interesting places to live.
Pug_Grandma@reddit
Halifax, Nova Scotia?
Shuggy539@reddit
West Yorkshire.
robotbike2@reddit
No, the building society. 🙄
khanto0@reddit
Personally I feel like the country feels a bit like gritting your teeth and bareing it all winter, but when summer comes everybody is out there loving life. We almost celebrate the summer in a way I think a lot of countries don't, except for maybe other North European countries and maybe Canada. The sheer number of summer events, festivals, bbqs, beer gardens, country fairs, running, hiking that people do make me feel like people love it during these months.
In a way you have to take the good with the bad to appreciate. I didn't really care about another hot sunny day when I lived in Australia, but when I'm here, its always a bit special.
Alone-Butterscotch59@reddit
Worth noting that life in London does not give a fair reflection on the rest of the UK. It's a very different life
D_O_liphin@reddit
I'm not sure... I always thought this was just an attitude thing. I'm happy basically wherever I go. Some people are never happy, others are always happy. I can think of dozens of cities I'd happily live in.
I'm not trying to brag, I just really think that's how it is. There are people I know who are miserable all the time (I do agree, this is a British attitude). It's exhausting, cringe and childish. They have no idea how lucky they are to live in London!
angelesdon@reddit
American in London here. Originally from Southern California. I've lived in London for 8 years. At first i really loved it. I suppose I was happy to be back in a city from my previous suburban life in the states. But now I'm getting the itch, and like OP states I'm really living for trips out of the country to sunnier climes. I feel like I always want to keep a foot in London, but the British sourness has gotten to me, and I'm looking forward to my next trip back to the states. I need that optimism dose. I think overall Europeans (and that includes Brits) tend to be more cynical and downcast. Don't run a new idea by any of them because it will get shot down before you start. I understand that having a much longer history will make you more cynical because you have more of a past to draw from, and Americans are thought to be "naive." However, Americans are more open to new ideas and doing things a different way and I think that translates to business and encouraging new ways of doing things. Yes, the Brits and others will jump on the startup train but only after it's proven by the U.S. first.
But then there are days when it's a glorious day and I'm walking in Central London and it's so incredibly beautiful and I think how lucky I am to be here. I suppose grass is always greener.
sssourgrapes@reddit
Hey I’m in the same position. My partner is British born and bred and I’m not (I was originally from Singapore but I’ve been in the UK for 7 years). Ever since I had my terrifying incident with Sepsis and nearly dying because of how overstretched NHS A&E services were, I’ve grown to fall out of love with the UK.
There’re of course a plethora of other reasons, such as the state of politics and government in this country and the fact that our public services are declining. The UK economy is no longer as robust as many other first-world countries.
It also didn’t help when a lot of our friends have graduated from being in the UK and either moved abroad or back home to settle down.
I might be biased, considering I was originally from a first-world country that has one of the best healthcare systems in the world and ranks highly on economic growth, safety and stability and home ownership. Living in the UK now is almost akin to a culture shock for me considering the discrepancy in quality of services between Singapore and the UK.
People get angry when I tell them I have it better back home, until they realise where I’m actually from.
maestroenglish@reddit
Obviously not. Stupid question.
killerkillsu@reddit
Honestly, yeah.
Tardislass@reddit
I'm going to be kind and say that after Brexit the whole mood and feel of the UK has gone downhill and become even more pessimistic. Not going to sugarcoat it but I think many eyes have been open about just how bad the government and now that the Queen is dead, many are seeing the royals for who they really are as the Queen hid it well.
I think the whole proud to be British has gone down the tubes-hopefully as I find these people as irritating as the "patriotic American". Sadly, I've seen my pretty optimistic UK friends become as cynical about the UK as we here in America. I used to think after the whole Brexit/Tory mess that saner heads would steer the ship around.
It's interesting, I was a lifelong Anglophile and if you'd ask me in 2005, I would have told you that the UK was better the US and I would have moved there in a heartbeat. Nowadays, I think Europe looks much more promising and at least in the US, the people aren't quite so miserable. If you want to move, I'd move.
FruityVampire69@reddit
London is a nice place if you haven’t lived there for your whole life. Otherwise, it’s better to stay there for a few weeks-months then leave. I’m bored of it & while I enjoy it when I come back, I constantly leave. I think if you’re an expat, there’s still a lot more to explore for you. But long term - no, I wouldn’t recommend. Most people are boring & fake polite, don’t know how to hold conversation. Prices are rising faster than you can say “fuck the tories”. You get stuck in routines, going to the same cafes and pubs and shops. You’re expected to work fast and hard like a machine, the grind mindset is very much alive in London. And you’re supposed to be grateful that you live there when really it’s just not that nice a place. As an aside, I like the weather but would highly recommend moving somewhere in Europe. Spain, France (you may face the same weather issues), Portugal, Malta - all good options.
leafsobsessed@reddit
1) I read a study recently linking being judgmental to being less happy, in which they found that less happy people are more judgmental. They also noted Brits are more judgmental than other groups. 2) I moved here last year and have been subject to more racism than ever before (I’m Canadian-Chinese).
So there seem to be cultural differences in mindset. But do with that info what you will - if you like the country enough to ignore its downsides, then stay. There’s no perfect country or culture - they all have their flaws. If your gut is telling you strongly to leave and it’s not because you need to escape other unidentified sources of dissatisfaction in your life, then maybe continue to listen to your intuition.
Strict-Armadillo-199@reddit
Well said
biest229@reddit
Yes. I’m English and I left. I don’t like this negative moaning and doing nothing about it culture. It’s everywhere. I was not raised to complain and do nothing, I find it demotivating, irritating, and futile.
Plus the weather is dire and there’s not the same culture as in other countries. I don’t mind the cold, it’s the incessant rain I can’t deal with.
I do also think your kid might have a better quality of life outside of the U.K. - Spain seems great for kids.
Sephass@reddit
In the end, living in one place is a little bit like being in committed long term relationship. You miss the feeling of having options and choice, but often the 'options' were not worth it anyway, you just don't remember that.
Of course you can still try and check if the grass is indeed greener. I tried it several times just to discover that once you reach some decent level of living (developed country, well organized infrastructure, decent lifestyle and worklife balance) it doesn't really change that much anymore - you have different people you're not going to be friends with (most likely), you have different architecture you're going to see only when you really go out (which is not that often) and different language you will probably refuse to learn anyway.
nimrodella@reddit
It is interesting that you write this, i lived in Hungary for 17 years and I also felt like this. Now I live in Belgium and the feeling has not changet. Looks like when you are an outsider you can view things differently, and see the good things others dont. But yeah the cinstant complaining is super annoying, even if it is justified.
I also feel a lot of comllaining comes from the fearmongering media too. Free online media is clickbatey, because thisnis how they can drive the nubbers that attract advertizers, yet they perpetuate the constant division and dissatisfaction in media. I do nt think this will get better with moving. If you are settled then it will lead to a lot of uncertainty.
That being said I also moved while I was quite settled in Hungary, owning property, having a toddler and having a good job. But my partner shared my dissatisfaction and we decided to move anyway. Maybe discuss it with your partner and see if he/she thinks it is also a good idea.
owzleee@reddit
I’m English and left after Brexit and the Tories being voted in yet again. But you do you.
Healey_Dell@reddit
Having a truly awful government doesn't help. Half the country hate them. The half that vote for them hate everything anyway.
Short-termist decision making and populist rabbble-rousing rule the day. Rentier capitalism runs rampant.
Brexit being the backward, gerontocratic step that it so clearly was, adds to this.
Critical_Pin@reddit
Harsh but fair .. and I was born here.
hebedebe@reddit
Brit here. In my opinion, the best parts of the UK are beyond towns and cities, in the countryside. The Yorkshire Dales, the Lakes, Constable Country, the Peak District etc. In general, people are friendlier, happier and things are quainter and far more enjoyable. If your a fan of the outdoors, the UK has lots to offer.
Life in cities and large towns, especially in the south around London, however, is mostly miserable. People in the south have less time for one another, and don’t trust others. Crime rates are increasing, and in general society is going down the toilet. You can see a stark difference in happiness and pride in your local area if you compare rural and urban areas.
I’m an expat living in Europe, and wouldn’t return as my quality of life would drop dramatically due to living costs, general quality of services etc. I’m from Essex originally, but the drab grey industrial wastelands of the south east will never pull me back. Life is expensive now wherever you live, but after living abroad for several years, the divide in living better for less in Europe is shocking. Plus, the beers are nicer.
It’s a shame to feel little to no pride in my country. Much of the UK’s landscapes are being destroyed, and housing estates and new towns built to replace them only inspire misery and destroy individuality. If I win the lottery, maybe a Yorkshire farmhouse where minimal contact with others might be the ticket, though.
corvusmonedula@reddit
If you're young and educated, I would say so yes. The deal used to be that it's crap, but you have a stability, a reasonable paying job, a house, a few holidays, and generally live a soft life. Now you can be a graduate, experienced, but be expected to slog it out just to afford a dark damp hovel for the next thirty years. For what?
I'm from the UK, have lived away for several years before coming back, have a foreign partner, and as soon as we can we will be leaving. It's just not worth it, I've rarely been so miserable in my life.
Remarkable-Pin-8565@reddit
It’s very misguided to lump in the whole UK as one though, different local and national cultures have different ways of getting on through life not to mention that their surroundings affect their mental well-being.
mbo25@reddit
We're a pessimistic, cynical bunch. But the last few years has not been kind to the UK, and particularly post-COVID the place just feels... rundown. I'm a Brit but haven't lived there in over 10 years, and every time I go back I am reminded why I left. London is too expensive and public services are at breaking point, if you work in the arts it might be worth it to live there, but otherwise? I can think of dozens of cities in Europe that offer a better QOL for the average person.
amberaus613@reddit
It’s basically a shithole
riseabovepoison@reddit
Maybe ask yourself what you would regret if you were to die in a year. Is your instinct to stay and appreciate your current context or to try and find something better within that period of time?
GreyGoosey@reddit
A good question.
Regret is a terrible feeling and if you truly would regret not at least giving it a whirl to potentially have a better life… it may be the right move.
Just make sure you have an acceptable revert plan (I.e. can you come back to the UK if it appears to not work out?)
riseabovepoison@reddit
Most people cannot go to the same place they left. Time is always moving forward.
There are exceptions. There was a story i think on reddit or some travel forum of a vietnamese couple where the wife moved with the husband to the usa for his masters degree. On paper it looked like a good choice but she was extremely miserable. They had actually planned to stay in the US but she just hated it so much even though they knew English. They ended up moving back and he commented that she took to it like a fish returning to the water.
I, on the other hand have moved back and forth to countless countries and I can tell you that my experience shows it isn't the same. You change to adapt to the new context, your friends back home adapt without you, and when you go back both sides are changed. Reverse culture shock is very real.
But of course yes if you want to try something you always leave the option of coming back if that's what you think is right.
IRERSA@reddit
Tbh now it’s a bad moment to live in the UK for many reasons and also the time change and the fact we are heading towards winter doesn’t help. But in spring everything will look better…right? Where are you from anyway?
(A Spaniard living in the UK for 10 years)
ramakitty@reddit
It’s OK I guess
tolucalake367@reddit
It has its advantages, but the country is seriously overpopulated, overcrowded, congested, and expensive. There are unfortunate pockets or crime and deprivation. If you have a choice, I'd avoid it and I say that as a Brit. You're better off somewhere like Poland or Czechia
dunzdeck@reddit
I think it is, compared to the "golden" years pre brexit when the economy had recovered from the 2008-2013 crises. It's probably rose tinted glasses a little bit, but still. I left the country in 2016 but whenever I'm back now I notice the slide... looks dirtier, people are under more pressure, even more atomization than before. My favorite pub of yore has been remodeled into something sterile. Bought mince at sainsburys that only kept for three days. Cracked pavements. It's all anecdotal, but noticeable still.
guesswhat8@reddit
I could have written this. 10 years in the UK. Thinking about moving but also a bit attached to my lifestyle. I would earn a lot more money elsewhere and could afford to buy. Very much torn .
Mobile_Nothing_1686@reddit
I left around the time the Brexit stuff hit it's apex. Nearly every day someone would say something derogatory about foreigners. That they should just leave etc, so I would make jokes about me being foreign; "oh but it's not you I mean" then what do you mean? Other things in life contributed to me just leaving and never looking back (still have some stuff there sadly).
Head_Lecture_7084@reddit
I lived in London for 10 years, made a lot of friends, my career was only moving forward and upward but culturally it was a struggle.
The negativity and “stiffness” of the society as a whole made me absolutely miserable.
Now in the Netherlands I have probably 2 friends I can count on as, is really really hard to make friends here, still if it were for me to move back to London, it would be for my friends only.
Still a great place to visit.
FlusteredPigeon@reddit
British people are utterly miserable. I'm a fairly upbeat Brit, and I find it pretty exhausting, and I'm looking to emigrate in the future.
Our society is also fairly broken; high cost of living, rigid class system, many people stuck in a cycle of apathy and poverty, low aspirations, poor attitude to education and self improvement. It's very depressing.
Antisocial behaviour is rife, as well as general public rudeness. Those who aren't antisocial are generally entitled snobs.
It's just pretty crap tbh.
proudream@reddit
I'm also an expat, been living in London for \~10 years and I think there are much better places out there. I think London is very unsafe (because it's a huge international city which makes it a target for potential terrorist attacks - and given the wars in and near Europe nowadays you never know)...
I also think it's shockingly expensive... the real estate industry feels like mafia. Rent costs keep going up and mortgages keep increasing but the salaries keep stagnating...
Positives: The weather is ok especially given global warming that affects southern countries. No guns, unlike the US. Lots of opportunities for career but also hobbies, going out etc (in London at least)
last_minute_winner@reddit
London isn’t England, it’s totally unique and we treat it as a separate entity
proudream@reddit
I know, this is why I specified "London" in my comment and not UK.
RueSando@reddit
It's hard to consider London a part of the UK when you've lived elsewhere in the country. Completely different vibe and people.
proudream@reddit
I know, this is why I specified "London" in my comment and not UK.
jasmine_tea_@reddit
I lived in France for about 10 years and couldn’t wait to move to the UK officially, although I had been spending a lot of time in both countries in reality.
I think it’s a “grass is greener” thing. My two favorite cities are NYC and London, with Paris in 3rd place.
I don’t generally want to move back to the US (and I visit often), but I wouldn’t mind living in NYC again.
I think I’m just a big city girl.
godlovesayterrier@reddit
I always have such a great time in England. The countryside is beautiful, the people are fun and interesting, and the food is surprisingly good.
I'm only there in the summers though.
Midnightdusk16@reddit
I grew up in Asia and went back home near 17-18 years old. In my case the grass is greener on the other side, can't wait to hopefully go back I think I enjoy the feeling of living somewhere else, bit of weird to explain, even though Asia has a lot of drawbacks I'm in France now and I have the same feeling as you
TheRustyDonut@reddit
I mean you moved to London, what do you expect. That place is a hell hole. If you move to any major city in any country and you will see the same misery.
As for the weather, it's an island surrounded by ocean and precipitation is a given. The weather is very similar to other northern European countries.
Bewaretheicespiders@reddit
Whats not to like about a place where posting the wrong opinions on youtube can get you arrested in the middle of the night? /s
The food sucks the weather sucks the economy is ruined the government is oppressing man GTFO of there if you can and you're not happy.
Best of luck to you.
storm_borm@reddit
British food does not suck. That’s one misconception I won’t take. People judge British cuisine on the stereotypical post-wartime dishes, but modern British cuisine is comforting and full of flavour. Plus, the variety of international cuisine that you access there is fantastic.
mymentor79@reddit
The food and weather are wonderful.
PlatformFrequent4052@reddit
Just hope the pound shop Tony Blair doesn’t become PM. Blair was the one who dragged the UK down. Imported 5 million immigrants to bring down wages and double house prices. Deregulated gambling. Etc…
Uk people have short memories!
pixiepoops9@reddit
Let’s not forget he also pretty much got rid of NHS waiting lists and improved education but why let that stand in the way of your half assed horse shit answer.
pixiepoops9@reddit
The food is actually pretty good, the rest I won’t disagree with you.
caedriel@reddit
Why is this a question?
WanderingMozzie@reddit
The UK has been on a downward spiral since the immigration policies of Blair in 1997. There is now a huge amount of people living in the UK that despise British culture. Did you know that London is now 17% Muslim?
rotichai@reddit
For me it’s the weather. London is my fav city and I’ve lived there for 15 years. But now that I have the ability to live and work anywhere I choose to spend summers in London and winters in warmer places like Asia. Every winter in the U.K. had been miserable for me.
StrateJ@reddit
I'm British, I left the UK last year for MENA.
Unfortunately, the UK has had a string of bad politicians making bad decisions which has ultimately flooded down to the population.
There is a significant amount of culture loss which is upsetting to see. I'd say that the majority of people would leave the UK without a heartbeat if given the opportunity however people are hesitant to leave because it's still home no matter how shitty it gets and are under the illusion that it'll get better.
Crime, miserable people, inflation, weather, poorly spent tax money - It's all rolled into just a bit of a dire place and screams lack of vision.
Personally, I believe it all started with Brexit, where the older population in the majority made the decision that segregating the UK from the global stage even further because they saw an article on the Daily Mail about migrants this and money spent that. They thought that leaving the EU would result in a 50 metre high wall around the country, when in reality it's prevented the younger population from working in most countries in Europe without Visa arrangements. But it also showed the younger generation including myself that it felt like their vote didn't matter.
The NHS, the global standard for free health care is now globally recognised for it's wait times and poor care, while nurses and doctors try their hardest with very little in return. They're still expected to pay for parking at their workplace.
I try to not blame the weather, but being in dark / grey weather for 9-10 months of the year gets a no no from me.
But with all that said, it is still home. I never get bored of seeing the UK when I fly in, I still enjoy feeling properly at home like I belong somewhere. But the first sentence that comes out of everyones mouth when I return 'Nothing's changed here'.
Subject_Ad_9680@reddit
That doesn't necessarily mean UK is crap. You are just restless. If I live in Amsterdam, own a house there but constantly fantasize about moving elsewhere, does that mean Amsterdam is shit? No, not necessarily.
Professional_Elk_489@reddit
Baller
number1ddrfan@reddit
The British are one of the few self-governing peoples in a world of animals. Most cultures don't even have the concept of a queue.
Strict-Armadillo-199@reddit
I do long for the British queue here in Germany,almost every time I'm in the shop.
kitesurfr@reddit
I judge countries by their cuisine so...
Strict-Armadillo-199@reddit
So you frequently travel to the UK for the Indian restaurants, pub food, cafe grub, and just variety of international food like me is what I assume you are saying.
Because the joke about British food is about 40 years out of date at least. However, Hollywood still leans on it, taking advantage of US ignorance of the world, so who knows?
Lollidrake@reddit
I'm British and agree it's crap. However, part of the British blitz spirit is that everyone realizes it's crap and bond over its crappiness. We do banter and self-deprecation like nobody else. In a way, it's comforting to be around people who all hate the country as much as you d。
jerifishnisshin@reddit
The UK is fantastic to visit in the summer as long as it is one of the years that actually has a summer.
ARA-GOD@reddit
The Uk is a tricky one, for expacts, i think it's the most decent place where there's isn't much racism comparing to first world countries , like germany or france or usa, the only countries that are better in europe would be spain and portugal due to the weather and quality of life, but salaries and opportunities aren't as high, like i said, it's very tricky
Extension_Waltz2805@reddit
This is it.
Ripper31189@reddit
There's a reason for our history as explorers and why to this day, so many of us are leaving.
p1p68@reddit
I've lived in Florida for a decade and chose to come back to the uk. I didn't want my kids born into the American culture. I missed the British sense of humor, I always felt 'other' when in the US. I missed short days in winter long ones in summer. The seasons. Our news reports. There are things I miss about America tho. I think you will always have a yearn for your homeland but don't give up on us here. Without the crappy rain I am literally listening to while writing, the sunny days wouldn't be quite so sweet.
GreyGoosey@reddit
Everyone I’ve known who have moved from their home country have always eventually reached a point where they do up a needs chart and wrote out their pro/cons for those for each country.
The important part to realize is that each country is shit in their own way - but outside of friends and family - you need to look at what each country can or can’t provide for your needs.
For simplicity sake say weather, accessible activities and travel, prospects for your future kids, and public transit are your “needs”, then you focus on okay with country offers the most/least. And then rank them.
Afterwards, you can look at the needs and see how each country provides the ability to bridge those needs to bolster the family and friends category (I.e. public transit enabling you to make better connections or visit folks more often).
Once you’re able to see this distinction clearly you can rather easily see which country is probably better for you. Oftentimes I’ve seen people get caught up on the negatives of a country without realizing that sure they have more negatives, but they are also in categories that don’t really affect the true needs they have and actually the country provides more positives in that regard
Kaptain_Kappa91@reddit
English people live lives of mediocrity.
Most people are like that but British people do it because it's 'propa'.
They basically assume their parents behaviours a geeza will drink at the pub and watch footy every sunday. This is what people think is expected of them.
Personally as a British person it annoyed me too. But you got people like this everywhere. It's just really obvious when it's not a culture you were born into lol.
roywill2@reddit
I lived in Los Angeles 30 years. Moved with family to Edinburgh. No wildfire, no drought, no earthquakes rather soft scottish mist. No trump no guns no children in shooter drills. Good education free college.
Electrical_Turn7@reddit
I love London but the weather will never grow on me. And yes, everyone complains, a lot. Please stop telling me about your bus being four minutes late, when it is both realistic and affordable for you to travel across London via public transport in an hour or so. London is a commuter’s paradise, TRUST me.
youremakingnosense@reddit
I would fucking LOVE if the CTA busses showed up 4 minutes late…or even just showed up at all
Goochregent@reddit
Compared to many places, yep!
ShelyChelle@reddit
If life is good for you there, why be concerned how other people view it? You are a grown up with a family now!
mymentor79@reddit
Horses for courses. Not everyone is going to like the same things.
For me, I love it. It's absolutely where I want to retire to, and when I've visited it's the happiest I've ever been. The things people complain about - like so-called dreary weather - I absolutely love. But that's me and that's them. Neither of us are wrong.
I want to spend my autumn years travelling about the beautiful verdant countryside, exploring more of the wild Scottish moors, walking through quaint Welsh villages, eating in the restaurants tucked away in London's uber-cool alleyways. Not feeling like I'm being cooked alive in summer. Having all of Europe just a hop and a skip away.
You do what works for you.
Fun_Cucumber1382@reddit
I’m British and I moved away 7 years ago. There’s aspects of the U.K. I really miss like the humour but I think the country kinda sucks, most expensive train service in Europe, shit weather, shit government…
pyfinx@reddit
Learn to love football.
Bangeederlander@reddit
Yes. Nice to visit though.
trueworldcapital@reddit
Yes you can live twice the life in Australia
Tenshi1977@reddit (OP)
Australia has the obvious problem of being a million miles away from anyone we know, but it's actually one of these countries I find myself often wondering about. It seems to me, every Brit who moves there has no intention to come back, which makes me feel that, indeed, life would be better.
trueworldcapital@reddit
Being in the international relocation industry we’ve seen all walks of life move from uk to aus
DRK-SHDW@reddit
I've been living in Australia, and I love it but I do miss the ease of travel. I'd recommend to anyone moving from UK/EU to Aus to really have scratched that EU travel itch before moving over, because its just not feasible to do over here. Yes, you're closer to some great spots in Asia, but you're still looking at hours of flying and expensive tickets.
Majestic-liee@reddit
Thanks for sharing. After visiting AUS, I've been thinking about moving (for work and life experiences). However, being from the EU, I'm unsure if I could handle it. I'd miss everything home, especially how easy it is to move by public transportation and travel. And many many other things… but one would never know if one never tries…
HuaHin2023@reddit
Here's some simple advice and take it as you will!! If you don't like it here then Fuck Off back to where you came from!!
butterflycaught2@reddit
Don’t underestimate the weather. I haven’t lived in Britain, but I come from Austria, where have a very grey and depressing long winter of 6 months or so. Moving to Australia changed everything for me! The sky where I live is blue on most days, even when there are clouds there is usually a spot of blue somewhere (we’ve made a joke out of this! There is always blue skies somewhere to be found haha). This can have an effect on mood, no doubt about it.
Disastrous_Fudge_368@reddit
3 things that define UK: - the weather is horrible - the food sucks - the women are ugly
robotbike2@reddit
You got one right, so there is that…
demolitionrob@reddit
the food has improved. tons of great food coming out the UK
levenspiel_s@reddit
I think it's alright, but I am not staying in the UK for long, that's certain.
This is my 4th country of long-term assignment. Except for the climate, which affects me a lot, there's not much wrong with it, but I was much happier in Eastern Europe, particularly in Budapest, and that's where I am trying to go back.
qbpd77@reddit
What were your favourite things about Budapest?
kitesurfr@reddit
I judge countries by their cuisine so...
robotbike2@reddit
Ergo? If you’re implying something negative about food in the UK, you missed the bandwagon by about 40 years.
Guilty-Minute8711@reddit
I can speak as one of those who grew up there and moved away. It's not exactly crap but there is a definite tone of unpleasantness hanging over many. In the sense that the entire country used to be bogs and hills which translates to a generally dreary environment aesthetically. There's a surface level drag that doesn't really get noticed until you leave but there are many beautiful places in the UK too, you just need to move around more. You've kind of opened a door of thoughts I've never voiced before but it doesn't manifest as disappointment with the UK or anything. More like i never noticed how locked in I was over there until I left. Now I live in a much more aesthetically open environment and the difference in me is noticable. What it comes down to is that if the city is hitting you hard you should try looking at the countryside. The UK is an old land and you feel it almost everywhere, a much more toned down pace that settles in better with people who enjoy the company they keep without needing to expand too much.
Old-Razzmatazz1553@reddit
Yes
piglet33@reddit
Born and bred Brit, emigrated to Australia then the US about 13 years ago total and this nationwide depression was a main factor for me. I describe the UK as claustrophobic, it feels like I’m a bird with my wings clipped whenever I go back. Of course, I get nostalgia for foods from childhood and being closer to family and I really miss banter, but none of those is a strong enough reason for me to move back. BUT I made the moves when I was young, no partner or anything, and I would consider long and hard about relocating to another country now. The thought of uprooting my life for something that may be better is not appealing. I love life, even if there are things that I would change. I guess I’m sharing this to say: no you’re not wrong about the UK - the gold tinted glasses finally came off - but is it bad enough that it’s truly worth upheaving your life for?
Thor-Marvel@reddit
It is crap. You are not alone. Nobody wants excellence and everybody settles for the good enough, which, in fact, isn’t really that good. Everyone complains about everything but don’t you dare complain about Britain itself.
Carnivore_92@reddit
No, its not just all in your head. The weather is horrible, it think its the root of half of the problems here. 😅 😂
FondantSlow1023@reddit
Lol I am in L.A. and can't wait to move back to London
LowRevolution6175@reddit
you are Mark Corrigan.
zinfandelbruschetta@reddit
The US is crap the UK is gold in comparison
jammyboot@reddit
It would be helpful if you added some context to your statement
Goochregent@reddit
A lot of extremely strong opinions here with no context yeah.
DesperateJudgment899@reddit
As an American who has enjoyed several long stay trips in London, I dream of living there someday. The weather is certainly not the draw, but I love everything else about the city.
This-Silver553@reddit
Yes
Playful_Assignment98@reddit
You will never get objective answers about English speaking countries on Reddit. Everyone thinks it is trendy to backlash Britain and America, yet they are lining up for the citizenship.
hockeyhud10@reddit
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McFuzzyChipmunk@reddit
Agreed, whenever I go back to the UK the place just feels so run down and depressing compared to where I live now. If it wasn't for the fact my friends and family are there I would probably never even visit.
HVP2019@reddit
This is not how approach this.
Migration is a lot of work stress and risk so any country that I decide to migrate ( again) has to offer SUBSTANTIAL benefits to compensate for the work/time/stress.
USA is a good country ( I migrated here 20 years ago from Eastern Europe). Both UK and Spain are good countries ( I have acquaintances from my childhood who moved and settled in UK and Spain at about the same time, who are reasonably well)
Neither of us is thinking about migration between our respective adoptive countries because this time it would be too much work/risk but not as much benefit.
My_Feet_Are_Cold_@reddit
Because you're in London.
Tenshi1977@reddit (OP)
Where to then?
My_Feet_Are_Cold_@reddit
Lots of nice places around
kairu99877@reddit
Yes
Captlard@reddit
It’s amazing…diverse, range of amazing cities, awesome countryside, range of food, great transportation link, good savings regimes (isa, Lisa & sipp). Anywhere is what you make it!
pixiepoops9@reddit
It’s a British thing to crave disappointment, sounds like you are becoming much more like a native now 😂. (Seriously though, it’s a bit shit here, it depends where you live and your lifestyle but it’s not great).
uzibunny@reddit
It's not all in your head, you're right. Unfortunately it is a part of British culture that I hate, British people love to suffer and complain instead of trying to change things. Not to mention Brexit, Tory government, this country is on a downward spiral.
horse-chiropractor@reddit
By the sound of it i feel like while there is a problem with the uk “philosophy” being a little miserable, its probably about how you deal with your time and resources. Its definetely harder to be “positive” very generally put in a place with fewer people like this but you can do it. Maybe these thoughts are a result of your need for excitement/feeling that you lack it right now? For me as a creative person london seems veeery exciting and full of things to do, especially music-wise. I also feel like people arent very grateful there. I live in a place with absolutely nothing to do, and still i find it relatively easy to think of new things to try out. Im assuming here that the reason for miserable people is boredom.
simplesteveslow@reddit
Yes Britain is crap. If you find someone that’s lived there 10 years they should be able to articulate why. Try Georgia, the country.
Any-City7196@reddit
I'm English. It's shit and it's only getting worse. It's partly the weather, partly the people, partly the work culture, partly the alcohol culture. But just get out brother, it's better elsewhere.
anotherboringdj@reddit
Yes, it is. A sh.thole
No-Commercial-5653@reddit
Yes.
SpiffyPenguin@reddit
I like it here! The weather’s actually pretty decent compared to where I’m from, there’s a ton of cultural stuff to do, lots of parks in London, and I’ve made some wonderful friends. There are people and things I miss from home but I’d be very happy to settle down here permanently.