Anyone familiar with this double carry handle setup?

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Riker557118@reddit

This screams "I was issued an extra caring handle and they will fine my ass if I lose it so I'm bolting onto my gun"

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You can go to military jail in Israel for losing equipment. Not sure if something is as simple as a carrying handle but ammo for sure. I heard of someone who got a months long sentence for losing their Night Vision goggles. Also heard of one guys base that was full of weed smokers who all took turns getting caught and doing a couple weeks in jail. Then somehow a .50 cal was stolen off a truck overnight and the guy who was supposed to be on watch was fuuuuuckkked. This was around 2015ish.

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youy23@reddit

Holy fuck, I’d bolt that shit on too.

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Zaphnath_Paneah@reddit

Lmao yea. The guy who was supposed to be on watch wasn't just processed into jail like any guy who loses their own equipment. He was interrogated and treated as a potential criminal/collaborator because how the fuck do you not see someone unbolting an M2 and carrying it away. Not sure the exact details of what happened to him, but needless to say the other guys on base never saw him again in the time I was talking with them over the next year.

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TheCastro@reddit

Sometimes you gotta take a shit

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Zaphnath_Paneah@reddit

😂

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ACrimeSoClassic@reddit

I hate to say it, but I'd be crazy suspicious of him too. Those damn things are heavy as hell, you don't just lose one lol.

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ACrimeSoClassic@reddit

We had some asshole in my platoon steal the 1SG's NODs after an FTX in White Sands. They locked us in the fucking basement of the barracks for three days before finally giving up on finding them. I guess they eventually found them at a pawn shop just outside of post a couple of days after they let us out.

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TheCastro@reddit

It's weird what's accepted in the military to have done to you isn't it?

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ACrimeSoClassic@reddit

Oh, for damn sure. I experienced a lot of weird shit that would never fly in a civilian workplace, lol.

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Dr_Smesh@reddit

Yeah we do that too, at least in the Marine Corps we did. Who knows what the army does.

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ModernT1mes@reddit

Ain't no one going to jail over some missing nods in the US military. They just fill out a flippl and maybe some pay deduction.

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Dr_Smesh@reddit

They used to.

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ModernT1mes@reddit

Definitely "extra duty" if you get in trouble. But I've never heard of someone going to jail for losing equipment. Ft. Leavenworth? Really?

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TheCastro@reddit

To Supermax with you!

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Chubbywater0022@reddit

You forgot about going on a spiritual journey with you’re squad leader in the tree line if you lose you’re serialized gear.

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Ornery_Secretary_850@reddit

you're is a contraction for you are. Your indicates possession or attachment.

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Amazing_Ad_516@reddit

Yay agricultural adventures!!

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GumboDiplomacy@reddit

I lost a gas mask on the way back from a deployment, but somehow I was lucky enough that supply lost the record that they issued it to me. Probably burned up about a quarter of my life's luck in that one instance.

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Silverhand487@reddit

I've been told from multiple ex military buddies that this is *exactly* why they did this. They had to keep it on them even though they were issued actual optics.

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oh_three_dum_dum@reddit

That’s not a bad guess. When the Marine Corps used to issue us detachable carry handle irons as part of our armory issue we would often attach them to a rail where there was space just to keep accountability of them.

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Hurtjacket@reddit

Wouldn't that also be a good failsafe for a broken optic, like your ass takes a fall and fuckers up your main and now you have a backup? I mean I'm a civi and I keep flip ups on mine for that reason.

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oh_three_dum_dum@reddit

Yes, but it’s also pretty hard to break an ACOG even if you are treating it roughly. It happens and they aren’t indestructible, but they can take a lot more than a little fall and still function. In any case that was around 2009-2010 and they stopped giving us those in favor of flip up irons after a while. In this case, though, his optic is already on top of his iron sights, so there’s no point in having tertiary irons.

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Hurtjacket@reddit

Ah ok, makes sense, I've never ran an acog I've ran a holographic and irons with a flip to the side nv monocle.

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Psiwolf@reddit

It's to carry with both hands. You could injure yourself, lifting one haded. 😆

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kreeperskid@reddit

I saw someone's comment about it being a way to make sure you're not losing it, and I'm going to argue that's the most likely situation, however, I might also have an idea. Maybe on top of the idea of not losing it, they might also be used by as a mount for some kind of an old school magnifier, and he keeps the handle there so it's always with the rifle, but I feel like that'd be a pain in the ass to take a red dot off the back magnifier, move it to the front, them mount something on the back one. So not much of a *real* suggestion, more just here to stir some ideas lol

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kalash762x39@reddit

So he can co witness his front and rear sight

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YaBoiDanTheDirty@reddit

Maybe trying to use the second peep sight as a front sight seeing as he doesn't have one?

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Bran_Nuthin@reddit

🤔 Spitballing here, but could it have something to do with rifle grenades?

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ProblemEfficient6502@reddit

Nothing about a carry handle would affect the usage of rifle grenades

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Bran_Nuthin@reddit

I meant it potentially being used as some kind of makeshift sight for rifle grenades. Again, just spitballing.

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ProblemEfficient6502@reddit

You wouldn't be able to see it through the scope mount and it wouldn't have any kind of adjustment for grenades. It wouldn't be any better than just using the scope. Also, I don't think any countries are employing rifle grenades for AR platforms.

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Bran_Nuthin@reddit

You're probably right. Doesn't Israel have a door breaching rifle grenade?

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ProblemEfficient6502@reddit

Yeah you're right. I didn't think any existed for the AR since it wasn't designed with one in mind.

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Bran_Nuthin@reddit

I remember seeing it on Future Weapons ages ago.

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MaxHound22@reddit

I’ve heard those things are heavy, wouldn’t be surprised if he needs two hands. I heard they’re as heavy as 10 boxes that you might be lifting

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EatMoreBaconNow@reddit

backup torgue wrench, rail has to get on someway...

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EatMoreBaconNow@reddit

well, that is one way to shoulder your rifle...

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meemmen@reddit

Never seen it before but you're giving me ideas.

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DarthVader0351@reddit

It's not mine I swear I'm holding it for a friend!

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BrassWillyLLC@reddit

Yo dawg I heard you like carry handles . . .

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Aeropro@reddit

It’s called a BUIS, look it up

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TheJango22@reddit

You have 2 hands. Wouldn't you want 2 handles?

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Aeropro@reddit

Two hands two handles, makes sense

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sierra0060@reddit

Honestly. The person doesn’t appear to have a front sight. They have a low profile gas block. But I don’t see a front sight. Could they be using both charging handles as sights? They’re facing each other. So there has to be intent on why they’re like that.

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ProblemEfficient6502@reddit

You mean carry handles, right? And I don't think you'd be able to see the irons at all for that optic mounted on it. Even if you could, two holes 4 inches apart wouldn't be much of an improvement over just the rear sight.

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Excelius@reddit (OP)

> two holes 6 inches apart It might not have been obvious from the grainy screen-grab but it's much more obvious watching the actual video, but the second forward mounted carry handle is actually *backwards*. Which puts the second aperture almost out to where the front sight would normally be.

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sierra0060@reddit

Yeah. Sorry. To me that’s the only other logical reason. If you used the night sight on the front and the day sight on the back, maybe that’s something? I don’t see logic in its assembly besides that.

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TurdMcDirk@reddit

Front sight is there. [You can see it poking out.](https://imgur.com/a/Rnvoh6u) You can also see the bayonet lug on the underside.

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WolfmanWalt@reddit

After looking at it closer, that almost looks like part of a tree sticking up and blends in with the flip up grenade sight bolted on there. Ofcourse that also makes no sense because he’s sans TOOB so who knows what the actual answer is.

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1leggeddog@reddit

That is a grenade launcher flip up sight that's giving the impression it's another handle

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mikmckn@reddit

Mom can we have FAMAS? NO. We have FAMAS at home. FAMAS at home:

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BoggsMcMuncher@reddit

Yes, this set up is only 2/3rds as effective as the elite triple carry handle set up, generally reserved for only those with the most extreme carrying requirements

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TristanDuboisOLG@reddit

Doesn’t look like he has front irons?

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Crackercroaker55@reddit

I wonder if this guy did this on purpose just to make Americans scratch their heads and talk about it for months

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ohmanicantpickaname@reddit

He did it for the engagement

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yingling247@reddit

I've seen lots of US troops doing this too. But usually under the hand guard. You get issued a carry handle and optic of some sort. They expect to get both back. Most everyone is gonna run the optic. Bolting the carry handle to the rifle ensures you don't lose it and it's out of the way and somewhere accessible if needed.

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DocMalcontent@reddit

This was primarily the Marines when ACOGs were initially being issued. Some high ranking guy was visited by the Good Idea Fairy and said folk needed back up sights in case their scopes failed. So, everyone was issued the carry handle as well, which was “Don’t Lose This” equipment. So, they bolted it underbarrel. Took entirely too long for someone else to point out how fucking stupid that Good Idea was.

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legion_2k@reddit

That's some Escape From Tarkov shit right there..

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12x20x1@reddit

It makes it twice as accurate

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Excelius@reddit (OP)

Was watching some \[Task & Purpose\]([https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpA5SOEq15c](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpA5SOEq15c)) videos and noticed some of the Israeli military stock footage had some people run two carry handles on an AR/M4 style rifle. This one has an optic mounted on the rear handle with the secondary mounted on the handguard, but there were also some clips of people running an optic on the second forward carry handle. Never seen this before and I'm not sure why you would do this?

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DocMalcontent@reddit

Well, it’s just good practice to run back-ups nowadays. Some folk just don’t have access to the flip up type.

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Hurtjacket@reddit

I just made a comment about that issue as a civi.

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Excelius@reddit (OP)

Another clip from the same video here, showing the forward mounted carry handle with the optic on it: https://youtu.be/XpA5SOEq15c?t=745

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RightTopics@reddit

you would only do it if you don't know anything about guns sheila jackson lee, david cicillini, biden, backwards ass country bumpkin not in the US, etc. even the country bumpkins here in the US know better lol

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StorkyMcGee@reddit

He doesn't want to risk losing the zero on the optic by using THAT carry andle, so he uses this one.

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frostyjhammer@reddit

AI? Check for a hand with six fingers.

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CheeseMints@reddit

I remember back in the day some people calling the wings on the front sight of an AK the poor mans reflex sight for close quarters - just point and pull the trigger at anything inside them. Wonder if painting the aperture sight bright orange or red on the second carry handle would have the same effect?

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Ornery_Secretary_850@reddit

Isn't this a frame grab from a movie? This same picture was floating around a couple weeks ago. It's some prop directors idea of a firearm.

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Excelius@reddit (OP)

> Isn't this a frame grab from a movie? No idea to be honest. They don't attribute their "b-roll" background footage, but generally they don't seem to use fictional clips.

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