Holy fuk , the west is full propaganda, I'm sure hamas and isis are enemies. Iran support hamas and any group allied with Iran fought isis. Isis hate shias more then jews lol
Hamas is Sunni, and yet Iran supports them because they hate Jews more. Many ISIS elements fled to Hamas after ISIS was destroyed, and they carried ISIS flags into Israel during the Oct 7 attack.
None of this is true , and that isis flag was obviously planted by IDF lol, you can't be serious ???
Hamas is backed by Iran and guess what Iran hates isis and even fought them, also hezbollah hates isis. That isis flag makes no sense and is clearly propaganda by Israel. Israel knows that people are ignorant and clueless so they try to say hamas = isis when, in reality, those two would be fighting ironically. Thousands of iraniaj proxies were killed by isis, especially shia muslims, which Iran is shia.
Israel is spreading propaganda and lies as usual... lol
If iran knew they were part of isis they would killed, Iran doesn't fk with isis. It's turkey and the west that backed isis back then because they helped destroy the middle east and syria
A truer word never spoken. Probably except the last sentence there lol.
Everyone needs to ask themselves why it is only regimes of oppression and misery that support Palestine, like Iran, China, North Korea, and regimes that love democracy and civil liberties support Israel.
I will never go to war for Israel. They claim they can take care of it themselves, so stop giving them weapons and let them do it themselves. I have nothing against Israeli citizens and have friends in Israel and a old friend currently in the IDF and I wish them well. But Hamas will most likely not be eradicated thousands more civilians will die because it’s impossible not too in a place so densely packed with people.
You don't get to make that choice. The US government is completely bought and paid for by Israel and will put their interests above all else, including most of America.
Okay. Any NATO country. Japan, Australia, New Zealand, Taiwan, South Korea, Switzerland, Austria, Ireland. Not a country but the Falklands. None of which are currently bombing innocent civilians like shooting fish in a barrel.
Of course that’s your opinion but that doesn’t make it true. Israel SHOULD try to take out Hamas instead of directly targeting civilians with actual guided rockets. I don’t support or condone the actions of Hamas, they are terrorists. But the vast majority of Palestinians are not Terrorists and should not be punished for the actions of Hamas against Israel. Which let me be very clear because people don’t seem to be able to get into their heads that being pro-Palestinian doesn’t make you a supporter of terrorists. There is a bunch of people saying and doing stupid things on that side that I don’t condone either. But that doesn’t mean Israel hasn’t had a part to play in this. You can’t exactly lock people up in open air prisons while taking their land away and not allow them to travel with in their own country and bomb them for decades without pissing off people and driving them to the point where they have no other options available to them because Israel refuses to follow international law. I feel for Israel’s losses they were absolutely terrible. But this all could have been prevented by at least providing a modicum of sympathy for innocent civilians and actually allowing Palestinians to have rights on their own land. So yes go after Hamas but leave the civilians alone and leave your ancient bullshit at the door.
It’s a deliberate tactic by Hamas to gain the world’s sympathy, along with massively overinflating any actual numbers of death and injury. Of course, news media and the UN don’t verify these numbers, they take them at face value.
We all know now Hamas lies through their teeth, a la the hospital bombing killing 500 that wasn’t even Israel and maybe killed 10 people.
Or like the safe route Hamas bombed themselves and killed 70, but blamed on Israel.
Or like the overall numbers of deaths of children, which independent journalists put at 5-10% of official numbers.
Or like… well , you get the point. I’m not saying no one is dying, war is awful, but be sceptical of whatever you hear coming out from Gaza. They’ve truly earned that scepticism.
It is not unfortunate, it’s is deliberate on the part of Hamas.
That is why they are evil and must be stopped - it will lead to far fewer Palestinian deaths in the long run.
Sometimes countries need a harsh ruler. Libya is not a nice place right now. Probably one of the worst places in the world to live. It was doing pretty good under gadaffi.
Before the invasion, Libya had the highest Human Development Index , the lowest Infant Mortality and the highest Life Expectancy in Africa. How exactly did he lead his country to ruin?
Uhhhhh what exactly did he do to lead his country to ruin? His country kind of got invaded, and even Obama admitted it was the biggest regret of his presidency.
Loudly trumpet planning mass murder along tribal lines in the quintuple digits far enough in advance that Rome and Paris got to Washington to take a "Never Again" requisition form.
Oh shit, it’s the most based Argie this side of the Mississippi! Don’t be mean to Gaddafi. Pigs are both delicious and [incredibly cute.](https://youtube.com/watch?v=p5HH2UfZ2wE)
>\*casus belli
TIL English actually got Latin right:
https://www.etymonline.com/word/casus%20belli
https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=genitive&ia=definition
Thus, "War's cause."
>Also, Gaddafi was a pig.
Yes, and the USA sent back-channel appeals begging him on our knees to at least stop his officials from saying luridly genocidal things on national TV every night of the week. All we needed him to do was a little dissimulation for a while so we could resist French attempts at shaming us into "do\[ing\] the right thing after exhausting all other possibilities."
Religion is absolutely a factor. When Hamas started this war because they didn’t want to share the temple mouth with Jews, and when their charter says they want to kill all Jews, you cannot claim with any degree of authority that this “isn’t about religion”.
Yes ofcourse. Hamas is the one who dragged religion into this. Not the country whose entire basis for existence is the Jewish right to a homeland. It’s amazing how people conveniently forget how closely Israel has tied itself to Jews, yet won’t waste a second calling people anti semites for criticising Israel.
You’re right, it started with racist policies of the Arab nations when they persecuted Jews for thousands of years, then wanted to wipe Jews off the map in 1948 when Israel was declared so much, they took over the land for a Palestinian state.
If the region wasn’t so racist, this would have been settled back in 1948.
Of course, racist Hamas arose on the ‘80s with their genocidal “kill the Jews” charter and haven’t changed since.
The Palestinian cause is the most racist cause I’ve ever seen anywhere in the world. So thanks for the reminder.
It is far worse than ISIS and even the Nazis.
Obviously any innocent civilians shouldn’t suffer for it, but the government of Palestine is genuinely one of the most extreme and inhumane organizations that have ever existed, at least for the last 100+ years.
To who? For Israel it is Israeli citizens which is quite frankly where a nations interest should lie. For hamas it's also Israeli citizens, as they ar more than happy to habe many if their citizens die just to take out a single Jew. That is really the origin of the dysfunctional of the region though.
As an outside observer they are equal, but I'm not going to condemn a country for prioritizing the lives of their own nation. That is what a nation should do an again if hamas started actually caring about their lives then things might improve.
All if this is just dodging the question though. Do you think having more deaths on one side has any bearing on the underlying morality?
I mean, I'm still waiting for you to say the death toll of each side. Maybe afterwards I'll think about aswering your logical gatcha about a humanitary tragedy
Eh like 20 to 1 before Oct 7th and about 4 to 1 now post Oct 7th. Sorry, thought it was a rhetorical question since it's pretty common knowledge.
Now, do you think having greater deaths on your side implies greater morality?
Also noteworthy you yet again dodged giving a response to the most recent reply. Notice I answered your question even with your deflection rather than crying about it two comments later. Just saying
Ok. 20 to 1. Israel is worst. Way worse. Also they helped put hamas in power, so they are even more evil. Israel should be dismantled alongside hamas, and a new country under a secular rule should be put in place.
Ah so you do believe that having more deaths on your side means you're the moral party. Utter deranged though but explains some of your positions.
You also seem to be repeating all the misinformation around this conflict. Hamas was not put into power by Israel. The Palestinian people were given a choice and chose hamas.
To preempt your argument, supporting the more moderate precursor nearly 20 years before the election which was halted when they turned violent doesn't really count.
Nor does releasing funds a decade after the election when hamas was firmly in control. This is a particularly bad argument since you're effectively advocating a complete shutdown on Gaza to starve out hamas. Really see just taking out of both sides of your mouth.
Show me something solid around the time of the election beyond "oh of course the Palestinians were going to pick a terror group to lead them. They just don't know any better"
So you are saying 20 people killed for 1 person killed is a moral and right thing, also a proportional response... utterly deranged and pychopatic, but it makes a lot of sense honestly since you also seem to be a genocide denier.
Also sure. Given a choice. This nonsense may work on people who live in the western "paradise", not on someone who lives in a country who has felt the weight of election interference of "civilized" world.
I mean it's a proxy war they didn't start though. Do you actually believe there was a legitimate threat to Russia? Would you mind sending me a source if the last time a nuclear power was invaded?
NATO is a existential threat to every country that doesn't pay tribute or workship the USA as the world saviors and leaders. I dont expect a debate lord to understand this though.
Man you really think you have a killer argument with that one don't you? Saying that the only form of warfare is land invasions, when countries face famines due to economic sanctions, when the USA have spy programs, directly and indirectly interfere with internal politics... I can't tell if you are actually a paid propagandist or just brain rotted due to propaganda.
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It lessens NATO influence in the region? Stops a proxy agent for interference existing? I mean, Putin is a piece of shit don't get me wrong, but its pretty obvious why he doesn't want ukraine in NATO.
No what makes it worse is that Israel is a bully and when they "defend themselves" they're doing nothing but asserting their "right" to hold people under their thumb. And they do so by killing civilians, journalists, medical personnel and everyone in between. They're a truly disgusting terror state and that's all they are.
I'm guessing you're young since you seem to only understand it term of school yard bully terms. Based on what you're saying I'd also hazard a guess you're rather uninformed on the history of the region.
Israel would like nothing more than to disengage from Gaza entirely. They even tried to pay Egypt to take it back as part of their peace deal. It's why they disengaged after 2005. They would like nothing more than to never have to think of them again. Gaza is the one decided to continue a blood feud over am 80 year old grevience.
There're so many posters on Reddit who really have no grasp of history or geopolitics whatsoever yet converse as though they're leading experts on the matter.
It's amusing to watch.
Bud, you need to spend some time outside your echo chambers if you think hamas and Israel are anywhere close to equal.
Seriously take a step back and look at who you're advocating for. Have you ever read the hamas charter or are you just mindlessly repeating pro-palestine talking points while being uninformed of the implications of what you're saying?
You should probably take a break bud. You've replied to like every comment chain I've had on this thread even ones that didn't involve you. Often with the same point. Just keep it to one bud.
No, why would I want to support hamas whose stated goal is genocide. If you somehow thing Israel is committing genocide isn't a third party getting involved the exact sort of thing you want? If you don't support hamas it's difficult to understand why you'd be opposed to this.
Because Israel is an illegitimate apartheid state built on the continual genocide and expulsion of Palestinians that began with the Nakba in 1948.
Why would someone oppose this? Because carpet bombing Gaza is not a solution. Liberating Palestine from settler colonialism is.
Hamas only exists because of Israeli [funding](https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/) and political legitimization that was intended to draw support away from the secular PLO, but more specifically, the communist faction of the PLO, which was/ is the 2nd largest coalition.
The only "conflict" at hand is a European zionist state that exists on stolen land.
Man that brain rot hit you hard didn't it. Besides if hamas is a counter productive group created by Israel why would forming an nternational group to oust them be a bad thing.
>if hamas is a counter productive group created by Israel why would forming an nternational group to oust them be a bad thing.
Maybe more effort needs to be put into not creating and perpetuating these groups in the first place.
After the US invaded Iraq and disbanded its army, there were a whole bunch of soldiers without a job. It was a pretty easy transition to jump on board with ISIS.
Now we have a massive population in Gaza that's been made homeless due to Israeli air strikes. What do you think a lot of those now homeless people are going to do now? You think they're going to thank Israel for destroying their homes and making them homeless, or do you think they're more likely to join in on the fight against Israel?
>Maybe more effort needs to be put into not creating and perpetuating these groups in the first place.
Inventing a time machine isn't a realistic solution. What else you got?
Why would forming a group made up of the countries who created the problem in the first place would be a bad ideia? Thats a very smart question yes. Very intelectually honest
All land is stolen land if you trace it back far enough.
If you do not have the resources/force to enforce a claim on land, it’s not yours.
Palestine does not have the political cohesion to take back the land that was “stolen”. And if they did have the force to take it back, they would murder every last Jew. They celebrate the death of every Jew.
And you think authority over that land should be turned over to a clearly Hamas run authority? Get fucking real.
> All land is stolen land if you trace it back far enough. If you do not have the resources/force to enforce a claim on land, it’s not yours.
Sounds like you're saying Palestinians are well within their right to fight for the land back.
> And if they did have the force to take it back, they would murder every last Jew.
Colonialists can only imagine a world based on violence, so they assume everyone thinks the same. Colonialism has fallen throughout history, and Israel is no exception to the rule. Whether that collapse comes internally/ externally is up to Israeli society.
Under a Free Palestine, Israelis who want to be productive members can stay, but ardent zionists would have to leave.
It’s not an “imagination” of a world of violence when Hamas marches across the border and slaughters 700 people in their homes. Where’s the imagination in that?
Palestinians can fight for it, sure, but Israel is well within their right to defend it. Hamas can fight, and God willing they will die choking on the dust from their own rockets.
Israelis wouldn’t be “asked to leave” by Hamas or Palestinians, they’d be murdered or expelled. Don’t kid yourself. Hamas has made their goals clear in no uncertain terms, your fairy tale land of a cooperating Palestinian state is foolish.
> but Israel is well within their right to defend it.
There is no equivalence of the self defense of the occupied and the "self defence" of the occupier. This is like saying Russia is defending itself in Ukraine.
> Don’t kid yourself.
No one is kidding anyone. The 2nd largest force in the PLO was/ is the communist forces. They more than want a one democratic state, and more and more people will rally to their cause because it's a just one.
Russia is the *aggressor* in Ukraine, in much the same way Hamas aggressed onto Israeli soil. Hm. You comparison holds no weight because in this case Hamas (Russia) is contesting Israel (Ukraine) over “stolen land.
Ukraine has been free of Russian control for decades, nobody is suggesting that Russia has any rightful claim over that land anymore, odd that you’re suggesting Palestine still has any claim over land they have not controlled for over half a century.
If Hamas wants to fight, awesome, but the idea that Israel should hand over their land after Hamas butchers their people and calls for genocide is insanity.
Not that I’d expect any rational thought out of a Hamas supporter like yourself. Eat shit and die.
It's not really about Hamas calling for anything. If Hamas didn't exist, my position would still be the same.
Israel is an apartheid settler state that exists on stolen land. End of discussion indeed.
Because the focus should be of stopping genocide and terrorist actions from israel and hamas.
Anything that focus solelly on hamas is supporting genocide by Israel.
So if you don't want Israel leading the charge against hamas you would want this international group handling it instead. Kills two birds with one stone
Mhmm, guessing you would jump at the opportunity if this exact same thing was offered in response to Israel. You are painfully transparent. But I'll give you a chance how do you think hamas should be handled.
I think Israel should be subjected to sanctions harsher than the ones given to cuba, Iran and north korea. About hamas, idk, maybe Israel should have supported the palestinian national authority instead of some fucked up 4d chess to justify genocide, but what do I know.
Yes keep dropping that mask bud. You admittedly don't think anything should be done about hamas. Pretty fucked up dude. You're so deeply partisan that you're coming down on the side of terrorist who gleefully commit atrocities such as Oct. 7th.
Get off the internet. You need some time in the real world.
I live in Brazil bud. I feel in my life the good intentions of those western countries everyday, we had a military coup, a political coup and honestly we are in the "lucky" spectrum of being fucked up by the west. I would be more vocal about hamas atrocities if Israel and its allies hadnt been doing worst for God knows how long.
Not like Israel itself cared about stopping hamas, given their work to undermine a secular goverment in palestine and their terrorist and genocidal actions helping hamas to recruit and gain favor with the general palestinan population.
Hamas is a lot like the Sinaloa cartel. If we made policies towards individual Mexican states on the same rubric as Israel, the insanity of it would rapidly come into focus.
I don't quite understand what you're saying here. If there was a rogue Mexican state that was no longer controlled by the federal Mexican government why wouldn't we treat them different? Particularly, if that rogue state was launching attacks and raids into US.
Because Sinaloa and the other cartels are already responsible for thousands of grisly murders each year.
It would be insane to imprison and bomb the hapless residents of those districts for generations, or offer them the Devil's bargain of leaving their holdings behind to become refugees in a foreign state.
We would use absurdist, hyperbolic language, such as "Mexico has a right to defend itself," or "Mexico has a right to exist," all while shooting out the water tanks on top of houses, and bombing homes because suspected Sinaloa cartel members might have been there once, "hiding behind easily targeted (sub)human shields."
I find it a bit funny how off the mark this comparison really is. If a Mexican state went rogue and declared war on the federal government of Mexico they wouldn't just shrug their shoulders.
IDF is evil, which I implied heavily. The Palestinians are obviously the biggest victims in all of this, but they have no way of bettering the situation, and with the evil country (Israel) fucking them still in charge, there is nobody who will make it better. The only way is for a third party, who isn’t so malignant, to take over all of it. What would you suggest?
Sure, but when you're killing 10 civilians for every terrorist, it turns out that you're creating a whole new generation of future terrorists that are pissed off that you killed all those civilians.
China 6 carpet bomb and destroy all basic life necessities of the Uyghur, and realistically, nobody knows what actually goes on in those parts anyway. We just here about how bad China is, with essentially nothing to back it up. The Uyghers are a convenient demographic for west to use to talk down China. They are used as propaganda tool.
Russia still suffers terrorist attacks at the hands of Chechens on an almost yearly basis. This happens because Russia still occupies their land.
The terrorist attacks that Chechens commit in Russia are done because the Chechens know they have no other option to fight back. They can't go toe to toe with the Russian army, and terrorist attacks on Russian soil are meant to put pressure on the Russian people to hold their government accountable for continuing to occupy Chechen lands.
Correct, the Ughyers are in “re-education” facilities. I assure you, several generations of Israeli “re-education” of Palestinians will yield similar results.
Terrorism in Russia has been pretty low grade since the most recent war. I am sure Israel would prefer that to literally daily rickets being shot at it.
A combination of Russia’s brutality approach combined with Chinese re-education techniques and the area can be pacified within a couple of generations.
Granting that is true, a campaign has to be properly carried out lest it create more terrorists. case in point, the war on terror...which led to the creation of ISIS. possibly the biggest terror recruitment drive ever.
Who could ever have imagined a campaign with no clear objectives and record breaking collateral damage on fabricated evidence anger and radicalize a region.
The thing creating more terrorists are the terrorists themselves.
They indoctrinate early - early like kids.
Hamas needs to be prevented from brainwashing kids.
What is to come will hurt like hell either way. The story that gets told about it will decide the amount of new terrorists that are born.
I can easily demonstrate with an example.
Imagine a hypothetical where can can separate all the combatants from all the civilians into two grounds that are NOT intermingled.
The IDF would only directly target the combatant group, because their goal is to wipe out enemy combatants.
The terrorists would specifically target the civilian group, because their goal is to spread terror.
This hypothetical doesn't make sense considering the IDF has killed civilians en masse for decades. We know about the past 15 years due to the UN watching them. 1400 Palestinian kids killed by the IDF from 2007 to 2023 prior to the recent flareups. That's terrorism to anyone objectively looking at it. That's too large a number to be an accident.
France was so worried about stability that they banned Pro-Palestine rallies so I can only imagine the negative implications for stability such an action would have. Putting French or any western troops on the ground in Gaza would be a disaster...
Put Indian troops there. Put Chinese troops. Put Irish Peacekeepers. Put polar bears if those are willing to protect peace in that region. Gazza was an Israel only problem for far too long.
Avoiding disaster isn't the priority for these highly unpopular heads of state. It's a sad world with grifters like Macron and Netanyahu looking to line their pockets while marching youth to their death.
Oh please. While I understand the simple pleasures of saying politicians bad, the world is sadly more complex. Neither of them is evil, but perhaps misguided. However, claiming that trying to combat Hamas is marching innocent youth to a meat grinder is like complaining that we're sending weapons to Ukraine because it prolongs the war. Certainly someone is making money on all bad shit somewhere, but this is just a ignorant cop out.
Macron has a superficial appreciation for democracy trying to force through retirement age pension against a strong and passionate majority while having questionable patronage ties to media baron Arnault.
"Mr. Netanyahu, who faces a litany of bribery, fraud and breach of trust charges, has denied all accusations, vociferously attacking those who seek to prosecute him. The trial put Israel into uncharted territory, dominating political life and fueling a debate about the state of Israeli democracy and the country’s legal system." (source: [NYTimes](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/03/world/middleeast/netanyahu-corruption-charges-israel.html)). And, not surprisingly, he's trying to disempower the judicial system.
Due to the aging population and decreasing birth rate, the ratio of dependents to working people will rise to very high levels, which would be economically unsustainable, as the government wouldn't have the revenue in order to run the services it has, unless it either: raises taxes, takes out more debt, cuts services, or raises the ratio of workers to dependants. I agree that it wasn't exactly democratic, but I think it was necessary long term, and while it wasn't very popular, it's better to act now than 10 years down the line when you're already in the shit. I'm sure there are reasons to hate him, I just don't think this reason alone should be used to paint him as the same as Netanyahu, because he is absolutely absolutely a piece of shit.
None of this shit is necessary. Disillusion yourself of their propaganda.
Inequality is at extreme levels and they can tax the rich far more. If we need more workers and they're sincere, they can make raising children more affordable. Technology and, thus, productivity increases essentially every year.
Taxing the rich and closing tax evasion loopholes will definitely help, but will more than likely not cover the deficit caused by the ageing population. The same is true with incentivising children, it's something that should be done, but is not an instant solution, once they are born they are still dependents for around 2 decades before they become useful (although there is a solution which would be encouraging immigration in order to get a higher working aged population). Finally, while productivity increases every year, so does our consumption, a state of the art touch screen requires a lot more resources and energy to produce than a 2000s flip phone. The same is true with an ageing population, while technology has allowed us to live longer, the costs associated with this, such as medical care, increase the older you get.
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> “You can fight without hesitation,” he said, “but without widening the conflict. A targeted operation is essential.”
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> It wasn’t fully clear whether he was referring to Herzog’s comments about Lebanon or Israel’s plans for a major ground offensive into Gaza, or both.
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> [[Image](https://static.timesofisrael.com/www/uploads/2023/10/33Z22ER-highres-640x400.jpg)](https://static.timesofisrael.com/www/uploads/2023/10/33Z22ER-highres.jpg)
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> French President Emmanuel Macron arrives at Ben Gurion Airport near Tel Aviv on October 24, 2023, as he visits Israel amid the war against Hamas. (Photo by Christophe Ena / POOL / AFP)
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> Macron added that France warned “other potential terrorist groups wanting to join this operation” to stay out of the fight, and “clearly warned Hezbollah with direct messages.”
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> Macron arrived in Israel on Tuesday morning to express his country’s “full solidarity” with the Jewish state after the deadly October 7 massacres by Palestinian terror group Hamas.
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> Macron headed to Tel Aviv, where he met with families of French and French-Israeli nationals killed in the Hamas onslaught or being held hostage by terrorists in Gaza.
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> His visit comes more than two weeks after thousands of Palestinian terrorists stormed into Israel from the Gaza Strip and killed at least 1,400 people, mostly civilians who were shot, mutilated or burnt to death in their homes and at an outdoor music festival. Among them were 30 French citizens.
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> At least 224 people were also taken into Gaza as captives.
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> Nine French citizens are still missing: One of them, a French woman, has been confirmed as among the hostages taken by Hamas. Macron has said the others are also thought to be hostages, but there has not yet been confirmation.
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> > Emmanuel Macron en Israël: le président rencontre les familles des victimes françaises <https://twitter.com/BFMTV/status/1716683225685225868/video/1>
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> ***(continues in next comment)***
> > — BFMTV (@BFMTV) [October 24, 2023](https://twitter.com/BFMTV/status/1716683225685225868?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)
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> The French head of state also met in Jerusalem with Opposition Leader Yair Lapid and now-minister Benny Gantz, whose opposition National Unity party joined the coalition to form an emergency war cabinet.
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> Macron will travel to the West Bank to meet Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas in Ramallah. He will then continue on to Jordan to meet King Abdullah II of Jordan. He is expected to speak with, Egyptian President Abdel-Fattah el-Sissi and leaders of Gulf nations as well, the Elysee said.
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> More than 5,000 people have died during Israel’s attacks, according to unverified numbers given by the Hamas-run health ministry. They are believed to include its own fighters and the victims of hundreds of misfired Palestinian rockets Israel says have landed in Gaza since October 7, including one that hit a hospital parking lot and killed scores of civilians.
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> Israel says its offensive is aimed at destroying Hamas’s infrastructure, and has vowed to eliminate the entire terror group, which rules the Strip. It says it is targeting all areas where Hamas operates, while seeking to minimize civilian casualties.
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> [[Image](https://static.timesofisrael.com/www/uploads/2020/01/WhatsApp-Image-2020-01-22-at-10.24.35-640x400.jpeg)](https://static.timesofisrael.com/www/uploads/2020/01/WhatsApp-Image-2020-01-22-at-10.24.35.jpeg)
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> Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu (right) hosts French President Emmanuel Macron at the Prime Minister’s Residence in Jerusalem, January 22, 2020. (Koby Gideon/GPO/File)
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> US President Joe Biden, German Chancellor Olaf Scholz, British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni, Greek Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis and Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte have already visited Israel since the war began.
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> _AFP contributed to this report._
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