People who were initially cynical about the whole Captain Tom thing and got shouted down by friends and family, how's that working for you now?
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When it all started I mentioned on a family Zoom gathering that I thought once the Covid dust had settled something dodgy would come to light. I was told I was cynically minded and not capable of seeing the good in people. My wife actually apologised to me a couple of weeks ago.
fursty_ferret@reddit
It was obvious from the start that something fishy was going on given the way his daughter acted as an interlocutor and wouldn’t let him speak directly to anyone in the media about the money being raised.
Quirky-Respond93@reddit
Exactly. First thing I noticed.
pacmanfunky@reddit
I knew it was going to be a cash grab when I saw a Captain Tom bong for sale online.
lodge28@reddit
Was less a garden, more like an acre of land. It was a huge garden.
WatermelonCandy5@reddit
I feel vindicated and smug and I’ll enjoy it. I also feel vindicated about the banging of the pots and pans. A disgusting act of virtue signalling that allows people to absolve themselves from the guilt of doing nothing and call themselves a good person who cares. Anyone who’s been in a community with ‘allies’ from outside of it could see that. We know what it’s like to be ‘supported’ by allies whilst rights are taken away to the sound of silence.
Careful-Swimmer-2658@reddit
Pots and pans banging. Like a really shit version of the two minute hate in 1984.
amboandy@reddit
NHS worker here, please don't disrespect the pots and pans banging. Every Thursday or Tuesday... whenever the fuck it was, I don't remember and quite frankly don't care... My partner and I would stand teary eyed at our front door, and listen to the sounds of change within this country, no longer would NHS worker be treated like pond scum, we would be respected and valued for the hard work we do....we were heroes!
Tbh I was either at work or binge watching the tiger king or queens gambit, probably having to turn the TV volume up, finishing my first bottle of wine.
Viral_anal_SWAB-69@reddit
Thanks for being a nurse but I fkin hated it. You being a nurse and saying you liked it won't change my mind.
amboandy@reddit
Nah not a nurse, you people get some real shit
Viral_anal_SWAB-69@reddit
Don't care. Yawn
I don't care for clanging or clapping.
You needed a pay raise. Not the banging of a fucking pan. Why do you think they told people to do that shit? They wanted people's minds off that pay raise.
Leather_Web_7491@reddit
Drawing attention to something makes a pay rise less likely how?
Viral_anal_SWAB-69@reddit
Because it was EXACTLY when the nhs was asking for pay raises. You know? Extra work due to pandemic? The fact they work 18 hours alot?
The government used this to shut them up for a bit.
Pay raise over clanging pots and the clapping of hands.
Leather_Web_7491@reddit
How though? How are they related?
Viral_anal_SWAB-69@reddit
Distraction. That's how.
They made you clang pots and pans as appeasement because nhs staff were asking for pay raises.
They pretended to look into it whilst they created pot hanging and clapping .
That's how they're related
Leather_Web_7491@reddit
Bringing up the fact that nhs staff are working hard is drawing attention to it though not distracting from it. More people would be aware of it not less so how does that not help? Are you saying you think if people didn’t do this then you would have got your pay rise? I just think when the government are having to most people to sit on their arses it’s hardly likely that they are going to have the money to give out pay rises.
Viral_anal_SWAB-69@reddit
I didn't say any of that. Stop strawmanning me.
I said THE GOVERNMENT concocted this virtue signaling nonsense to take away from the nhs protests. Which is fact
They took your focus off what the nhs wanted. They didn't want claps and pot bangs. They want to be fairly compensated for thier time.
Pots clanging and clapping is the last thing I'd want as stressed out nurse. Pots and clapping isn't compensating me for the 18 hour shift I had to do.
Leather_Web_7491@reddit
I’m not saying that’s what you said, just trying to work out where you’re coming from.
I never banged any pots and pans, I thought it was ridiculous, they didn’t take my focus off anything. My opinion doesn’t matter and has no affect on the government’s decisions.
Viral_anal_SWAB-69@reddit
That's your opinion then.
Leather_Web_7491@reddit
I didn’t fall for anything, I don’t actually care.
iiibehemothiii@reddit
I'm loving the (deliberate, I'm sure) irony here.
As doctors, nurses, physios, ambulance drivers and others all went on strike for poor pay, conditions, understaffing and deliberate underfunding.
I, for one, do not feel my colleagues and I have been treated like heroes.
Those fervently cheering on the streets were cheering themselves.
punky67@reddit
And the media tried to tried to paint them as being lazy and entitled for striking. I guess all that shit they were put though during COVID didn't mean anything
iiibehemothiii@reddit
The most delicious irony is that a doctor earns less now, in real terms, than we did during the pandemic.
We literally went through all that, while most of the country was at home on 80% pay, and we can afford LESS today.
Can't speak for other healthcare workers, but I believe they could claim the same.
Fluffy-Eyeball@reddit
Can confirm. EMT, and my partner is a hospital HCA.
If you look at our wages combined, it would be a reasonably wealthy amount 10 years ago. No longer.
Our combined wages don’t last the month, ever, tens of thousands in debt to loans/credit cards we have no prospect of paying off this side of the next two decades, no prospect of owning our own home. Now my partner is on maternity leave and this last wage was reduced approximately £500.
The 5% our government graciously gifted us hasn’t even touched the sides.
iiibehemothiii@reddit
Absolutely appalling, im sorry that two "essential workers" are forced to be in this situation.
SavageComic@reddit
My flatmate is a nurse. She's considering bankruptcy because her wages are so shit.
iiibehemothiii@reddit
She has my sympathies, truly.
I wish her colleagues had fought harder during their industrial action and got what they deserved.
EdgarTFriendly@reddit
As someone who has been in the NHS for nearly 20 years and knew work colleagues who died of covid, 100% agree. Talk is cheap, and pot banging every night was only one tier up from the 'thoughts and prayers ' posts on facebook. It gave those assholes who were partying at 10 Downing Street an easy - and cheap- means to get people to direct their need to do something (and of course, virtue signal) and then shit on us when the time came to discuss pay and working conditions.
PoliceAlarm@reddit
It became a one-upmanship contest absolutely immediately. People clapped, and then people wanted to be louder, so they got the pots and pans out. The next time, people were honking car horns. The last time it was Socially Acceptable to do the pots and pans I distinctly remember a firework or two near my area.
No one who did that gave two fucks about doing it for the NHS. It was just a competition at who could clap the loudest.
centopar@reddit
Vuvuzela. Someone turned up outside the hospital I was in on a Thursday with a vuvuzela. I wish I was making this up.
xaeromancer@reddit
At least they were near a hospital for the inevitable and well deserved kicking they'd have got.
Legitimate_Corgi_981@reddit
I'm sure the parps out of the vuvuzela inserted where the sun don't shine every time a kick landed would have put a certain twist to proceedings.
ice-lollies@reddit
I’m going to have to google vuvuzela.
YeOldeCheese@reddit
I had neighbours frequently shout at me for not joining in, as I walked to work for my A&E night shift. 🙃
Fire_Bucket@reddit
Someone on my estate purposefully set their house alarm off for it.
iiibehemothiii@reddit
At a distance (and through a computer screen), that is fucking hilarious
Fire_Bucket@reddit
I'd have found it funnier at the time if they weren't outside their door, also smashing pans together, and giving me filthy looks for walking past and not clapping.
ceeearan@reddit
Absolute normal behaviour all round, dear lord.
MadamKitsune@reddit
There was someone near my MIL who went full throttle with fireworks for an hour every week. Between that and the pots and pans her poor dog became a complete nervous wreck by late afternoon every Thursday, just waiting for it to start. He's still terrified of bangs now, even though he was previously ok during things like Bonfire Night.
Icy_Gap_9067@reddit
Someone on our local Facebook felt the need to film and post their street every week 'X Street doing us proud' sort of thing. It angered me a lot, such self congratulating behaviour.
iiibehemothiii@reddit
The best example of virtue signalling
This_Rom_Bites@reddit
I'm also NHS and 100% second everything you've said.
I went out one evening with my lanyard on and bellowed to everyone on my street that a straw poll of my colleagues indicated that what the front line staff (especially the infection control ones) would really appreciate was if the clappers and bangers would just wear their effing masks, wash their effing hands, and stay the eff away from other humans.
AdAltruistic8513@reddit
Do you have any thoughts or opinions on lockdown in hindsight?
Did the lockdowns effect outweight the economic/social issues it's caused in your opinion?
Heavy questions I know but curious as to someone who has lived and breathed both side closer than most the general public.
iiibehemothiii@reddit
Meanwhile, my neighbours had a meet and greet garden party.
I remember being kept awake at 11pm listening to the sound of one fine 20-something gentleman asking a young woman what her name was and which Uni course she studied.
pajamakitten@reddit
I'd wager the loudest were those breaking the rules the most often.
Last_Motor7077@reddit
My wife, an A&E nurse, refused to go out for it and loathed it. ‘Let’s see how they are treating us in a few months, when they have to queue for hours to be seen or show up drunk and angry’.
She was 100% right. Cunts sarcastically applauding when they got seen. Punches through at them. Not a shred of respect for the ‘heroes’
iiibehemothiii@reddit
Entitled is the word for the current state of the British public
pm_me_your_amphibian@reddit
I found it really useful as it reminded me it was Thursday and I needed to put the bins out.
meglingbubble@reddit
Those cheering in the streets are not responsible for the appalling treatment of clinical staff within the NHS.
Sure, cheering them on didn't magically fix the NHS, that was never the aim, but it did allow people to come together as a community at a time when we weren't allowed outside our front door, to let those who WERE out there battling the pandemic know that they were appreciated.
Don't be such a cynical dick. Just because u didn't like it, many others took it as the positive thing it was meant to be.
iiibehemothiii@reddit
What did you do during the pandemic, Dad?
But the public as a whole IS responsible for choosing who's in power. The public has voted for the current government (not the leaders specifically, but the government as a whole) for the last 13 years.
The public has known about the gradual worsening of our health system, schools, infrastructure over this time.
To cheer on the hobbled workers, fighting with one hand tied behind their backs, having voted for the people that did the hand-tying, stinks of hypocrisy, no?
Vacant gestures and virtue signalling.
Especially when, once healthcare workers carried the public out of this catastrophe, that same public comes out with "Lazy nurses, lazy GPs, cant-see-a-doctor-for-love-nor-money"
Surely you can see why many healthcare workers are angered by the entitlement of a public which pats itself on the back for clapping for 5 mins a week and then goes back to watching Tiger king.
meglingbubble@reddit
Yeah alot of the healthcare workers I know didn't hate the clapping. In fact I can name one who had an issue with it. I work for the NHS btw... I also have a BiL who was an intensive care nurse through the entire pandemic
I wrote a whole rebuttal to your points but then realised I CBA to get into an argument with a brick wall this evening
katie-kaboom@reddit
You don't understand though. This ~~PR specialist~~ totally naive girl started a ~~bandwagon effort~~ people's movement from ~~her home office~~ the Internet! Clearly it was a ~~cynical headline grab to make people overlook billions of wasted funds and effort while the NHS was drowning in overwork and underfunding~~ show of genuine support!
Zexy_Killah@reddit
Also weren't people in Italy already doing it before we went into the first lockdown?
stocksy@reddit
I will admit I participated the first few times. It seemed like a nice gesture everyone could do in the short term while the necessary arrangements were being put in place to give actual, tangible support to the NHS and its staff. Of course, when it became clear that nothing of the sort would happen, I felt foolish. I suppose I was naïve, but the sentiment was sincere.
EldritchCleavage@reddit
Ditto.
amboandy@reddit
We were heroes though, we do our job with some mythos that carries us through almost getting stabbed, vile hags that think a two hour wait is too long for their toe pain that they've had for a month or the sheer amount of lascivious behaviour towards drunken men and female members of staff. Heroes don't require better pay and conditions because they're heroes.
iiibehemothiii@reddit
Excellent word.
And you're damn right about the rest.
The problem is that we martyr ourselves before the altar of this national health service.
We accept poor conditions, pay etc when we know we deserve better. We accept it because we believed (past tense, there's been a shift now) that we had a moral duty to keep this institution afloat, and if that meant sacrificing our bodies, youth, happiness, pay and relationships, then that's what we would do. That's what I did.
So in devaluing ourselves, our customers/service-users/the public/certainly the government, begin to devalue us in kind.
We went from Hero Nurses to Greedy Nurses. Doctors on the front line to Doctors in the firing line.
Fickle public.
toxicgecko@reddit
The people who clapped and cheered were the same ones muttering under their breath when shops let NHS staff in ahead of them
MonsieurGump@reddit
I think you’ve been treated like heroes.
When someone in power starts describing you as a hero you can guarantee that they are about to ask you to do something you shouldn’t have to do for very little actual reward.
360Saturn@reddit
The thing about it that gets me as well...
Say you live in a terraced street and the rule at the time is people have to stay 6 feet apart at all times of people they don't live with...
Well then every time the whole street comes out to bang pots and pans 'for the NHS' then everyone in the street is in that moment breaking the distance rule. But, for some reason, that's not only ok, but everyone is encouraged and guilted into doing it. (Meanwhile, two friends going for a walk in the countryside together with a flask of coffee are going to be arrested for breaking the rules)
WuTangFlan_@reddit
It’s embarrassing. A lot of the pots and pans bashers would have been moaning they should ‘just get back to work’ while they were / are on strike. Crabs in a bucket mentality in the country is a joke
AggressiveStagger@reddit
For some reason, Scorpions - Wind of Change has popped into my head.
Classic.
ManyHabit8785@reddit
The pots and pans thing was really entertaining. My neighbour was so unhinged that they bought a new, shiny pan, from an upmarket brand, because she didn’t want the neighbours to think she didn’t have decent cook ware or that she wasn’t showing due respect by only using an old knackered pan. It still makes me smile when I think about it. It’s so fucking stupid.
AdAltruistic8513@reddit
such a british middle class thing to do. I both love and loathe it.
sarahlizzy@reddit
That is the most gloriously British bit of neuroticism ever. I love it!
amboandy@reddit
Lockdown online shopping with lockdown wine binges were next level. However, I've never been one for 'keeping up with the Joneses' Hyacinth Bucket type bollocks.
ManyHabit8785@reddit
Now there’s a bit of distance from the pandemic I’m quite enjoying remembering all the unhinged and weird stuff that everyone got up to. It was stressful, but also perversely fascinating how everyone went weird.
knityourownlentils@reddit
My neighbour is an NHS dinner lady. She used to stand on the doorstep in her best clothes, bowing.
I felt very sorry for her as she clearly doesn’t have much of a life.
amboandy@reddit
I think the caterers in the NHS are some of god's real people, every single one I've met has been lovely. Much nicer than my grumpy arse.
Enough-Ad3818@reddit
Agreed. The catering staff at my Trust are good people, and I'm an absolute dickhead.
GingerbreadMary@reddit
Porters, Housekeeping, Clerical Workers all keep the Good Ship NHS afloat.
Health Care Assistants are worth their weight in gold.
Almost always overlooked and under appreciated.
*Retired ITU Sister
SuzLouA@reddit
When my week old baby was admitted to hospital for four nights due to a virus that was causing her to struggle to breathe, it was a HCA who helped me to hold her without disturbing all the wires and monitors, and when I promptly burst into tears, she laid a loving hand on my shoulder and said, in the most comforting and British way possible, “Shall I fetch you a brew?” When she returned, she winked and said, “I pinched you some of the good biscuits, too.”
She was absolutely lovely, as were the rest of the staff, medical and otherwise. It looked like we were going to have to be in over Christmas and between that and just generally being scared, it was a really hard few days (we ended up being discharged 8am on the 25th, it was a Christmas miracle).
It was their job to fix her, and they did, but the fact that so many also took a moment to check that I was also doing okay when they were no doubt very busy, that was amazingly kind.
DontBullyMyBread@reddit
Even just the overlooked people like receptionists. The receptionist in the NICU my daughter was in was so nice and cheerful every day 🥲
snufflycat@reddit
The fact that most HCAs are band 2 is shameful
GingerbreadMary@reddit
I agree 100%.
amboandy@reddit
A high pressure environment like itu needs a well functioning team and as you know a team is only as good as it's weakest link. If your Healthcares aren't on the ball with what they're doing then someone has to pick up the slack.
A great anecdote I heard related to this was when journalists were interviewing mission control staff in Houston prior to the launch of Apollo 11. One journo saw a guy tidying up and sweeping the floor, and asked "what do you do around here?" The janitor replied "I'm helping put a man on the moon"
amboandy@reddit
Well hello fellow dickhead.
DoctorOctagonapus@reddit
Catering staff in general are amazing. People who keep the workplace clean, working, and well fed are always worth their weight in gold.
DontBullyMyBread@reddit
I could have hugged the woman who bought me toast and a cup of tea after the birth of my daughter. I'd been awake for 36 hours, and was ravenous. I mean if I wasn't bedbound from my spinal from my cesarean I absolutely would have lmao
DoctorOctagonapus@reddit
That's hilarious and I kinda wish more NHS people were doing this during the lockdowns
BrainlessPackhorse@reddit
I got jump scared by them as I walked home from the hospital, thought the jerries were invading!
Impossible_Command23@reddit
I didn't even know it was a thing the first time! (I hadnt been watching TV for a couple of weeks, wasn't very well and avoided most things online too for a little while other than the odd quick browse), I had absolutely no idea what was going on, I thought the clapping was some kind of mad rain so I ran to the window thinking wtf, wtf?? And then I thought it was just some thing with all my neighbours where they'd finally post the plot and started cheering and clapping like idk some sort of ironic statement about how good those times were. Had to text my mum to tell her about the crazy neighbours, then I learnt
amboandy@reddit
Ah yes, the terrible Hun and their new Wunderwaffe...the fearsome pot and pan. In all seriousness after 12 hours you don't need anything getting in-between you and your bed.
DontBullyMyBread@reddit
Lmao I worked in a hospital during covid in a clinical department that basically became a ghost town because majority of our work depends on routine surgical cases, which were cancelled. The small number of urgent surgical & maternity cases didn't keep us awfully busy. We were sitting around, bored out of our goddamn minds and catching up on all our overdue audits because we had such little work to do. If my neighbours had started congratulating me when I came home from work idk if I'd have the heart to tell them I wasn't one of the true heroes in A&E/ITU/whatever, in reality I'd sat on my ass in front of a PC all day filling out overdue health and safety audit number 56 of the week 😭
_Yalan@reddit
Different people had different perspectives. I have about 7 people in my life who are NHS patient facing workers. Only one of them appreciated the gesture. The rest actively asked their families and friends not to participate. I get it, considering what they were, and still are going through with very little, if no change, it felt like a distraction tactic at best, and it worked for a while.
Scary-Jury1059@reddit
I was working NHS over Covid in IT. My housemate was really into the banging shit abd it was annoying. Apparently I was being miserable when I said 7 extra people on my team would be a fuck load more useful
ThinkAboutThatFor1Se@reddit
Yea. Won’t somebody think of the poor NHS IT workers.
_Yalan@reddit
Yeah cos it's not like the NHS would function without them or anything.
pajamakitten@reddit
It feels like we function is spite of them sometimes.
ThinkAboutThatFor1Se@reddit
Plenty of organisations, departments, companies wouldn’t function without It. There’s nothing special about being in IT in the NHS.
Daewoo40@reddit
Argument could be made it's hardly functioning with them but that'd be overly cynical of the state of the NHS at present...
_Yalan@reddit
Yes but it's not the fault of IT that it's hardly functioning, it's the lack of funding and staff lol.
itsableeder@reddit
You obviously have absolutely no fucking idea how stressful it was to still have to go into the office while the rest of the country was being ordered to remain indoors for their own safety.
ThinkAboutThatFor1Se@reddit
😂😂
Pull the other one mate.
itsableeder@reddit
Point proven.
ThinkAboutThatFor1Se@reddit
Pretending that working in IT and going to the office is somehow hard and more worthy than the millions of other professionals that had to also work is a new low dude.
When people were clapping for the NHS it was front line healthcare workers.
It wasnt Colin in middle management trying to figure out how to make his RAG report go green.
itsableeder@reddit
Nobody is pretending that. All I said is that you obviously don't understand how stressful it actually was, which you've aptly demonstrated.
stone-toes@reddit
The transition to many people having to work from home at the same time as the NHS was at it's busiest put an incredibly amount of pressure on NHS IT departments.
nine16@reddit
i qualified as a nurse during the end of feburary 2020…..so a couple of weeks before the entire world went to shit. i asked my family not to participate but they still did anyways
amboandy@reddit
The narrative at the time was that we were heroes. Heroes, put up with shite because they're heroic. Heroes can work hard with very little reward because they're heroic. Heroes put their lives on the line, because they're heroic. It takes humanity away from the people who are close to burning out, and allows you to discard them afterwards as people who are asking for ridiculous and fiscally unaffordable pay rises.
snufflycat@reddit
I'm an ex nurse and it used to make my blood boil when someone would call me "an angel without wings". Fuck right off with that shit, I'm not an angel I'm a tired, overworked, stressed out human being. But if people can see you as more than human, they feel ok expecting more than human feats from you.
stella585@reddit
It’s called Vocational Awe.
I’m not trying to be condescending or anything. I only learnt about this term recently myself and I think it needs to be much more widely used; this seemed like a good opportunity to raise awareness.
ice-lollies@reddit
Interesting
JotiimaSHOSH@reddit
But you were heroes either way, it's the fact that the government accepted that as their only reward for you all. Money should have flowed to you like Kings as if we were at war, because the government doesn't bat an eyelid towards defence spending when a war pops up.
The amount they could have pumped into the NHS would have been insignificant compared to let's say the Ukraine aid, yet it would have been enough.
You all should have got huge raises, extra benefits. You were on the front line.
So yes it's nice to be clapped but it does nothing, because the respect from the people was always there. So that's why it sucked. Your government abandoned you and made billions with deals to their mates for PPE and all sorts of loan fraud shenanigans.
amboandy@reddit
Aid to Ukraine I accept, it's part of strategic defence. This is hugely cynical but every Russian plane shot down or tank destroyed is a human life and that is tragic however, it's less leverage that Russia has over others, including ourselves. Nevertheless, I think we get 300 million extra a week now.
reguk32@reddit
I thought it was pretty condescending to be honest. I felt a better way to show our appreciation to frontline worker - shop workers and refuse collectors as well as NHS workers - would be to pay them better, rather than a patronising clap. The government and tesco and the likes just preferred the clapping.
amboandy@reddit
Don't forget the George Cross lol, I'm still waiting to find out if I can call myself u/amboandy BSc MSc GC
iiibehemothiii@reddit
It's on my CV
amboandy@reddit
Aye my DofE was a piss up across the Shropshire hills at the age of 17, casual alcoholism prepared me for a life in healthcare
iiibehemothiii@reddit
Casual alcoholism or defence mechanism?
amboandy@reddit
I come from a long line of Scottish alcoholics, I'll lie and say coping mechanism.
iiibehemothiii@reddit
nods
The way god intended
itsableeder@reddit
I had a neighbour knock on my door about a month in to ask why he'd never seen my partner and I out on our balcony clapping and didn't I think it was disrespectful?
At the time I worked in healthcare (though thankfully not patient facing) and was still going into the office while everyone else was furloughed so while my building were calling and hollering I was trying to eat my dinner and relax before bed before I spent an hour walking to work again the next morning because I didn't want to get on a bus and potentially catch COVID.
Effelumps@reddit
Thank you, I understand it is your work, but sincerely thanks. Being at a loss locked in alone, other than trying to chivvy up with mates and kin over the telephone, there was no other way than trying to stay out of the NHS's way by staying put.
It was a time when many of us were alone or stressed. I clapped to say, with you all; but it was also reassuring that the neighbours who made a noise from their window regularly (we are in flats) were also trying not to end up another case and also saying with you all, noisy buggers, perhaps they banged for themselves , I don't know.
Occassionally I still see a little rainbow drawn by a child with Thank You NHS, in the corner of a window when I am out for a walk. Many of are under no illusion of the endeavour, as we all come to terms with changes and loss and pain to the majority.
Niceicescoop@reddit
As an NHS worker…I hated the banging pots and pans. It was cringe worthy at the start, and definitely virtue signalling. Luckily I was usually on shift so mainly just heard about it from my family
gilestowler@reddit
An ex of mine is a nurse. Finished her training just when Covid was really kicking off. I met with her for a drink when things were starting to settle down a bit and I asked her "did that make it all worthwhile when people clapped for you?"
I'd always seen the expression "withering look" in books but I'd never really seen it up to that point.
amboandy@reddit
Those were the members of staff I pitied the most. New starters who arrived with the modicum of enthusiasm they had after finishing their diploma/BSc, after a month or so in a pressure cooker, were completely jaded or broken.
Ok_Possibility2812@reddit
Hahahahaha truth.
We couldn’t hear the clapping from outside our Psych Hospital, people forgot about us 😅
amboandy@reddit
It just gets drowned out by the voices in your head...oh wait you're staff.
BarkingWithDogs@reddit
Fellow NHS worker, how you feeling now?
amboandy@reddit
I've always been the type that can survive, I'm happy with what I do. I feel it's a combination of wine and an almost sociopathic indifference to 99% of people, that helps me thrive on this hell hole. It does make me sad when I see friends succumb to burn out though, the people that replace them just get worse and worse.
long-live-apollo@reddit
Don’t shit on the people banging the pots and pans, that is an extremely myopic and stupid thing to do. Shit on the people that engineered it. The people that said “clap and bang pots” out of one side of their mouths while all but saying “fuck the NHS” put the other. Most of the people clapping didn’t need to absolve themselves in the first place. They fucking pay their national insurance, they have paid the system their due. Most people could never afford to give more so for someone like you to tell them they needed to absolve themselves when no absolution is required at all is fucking insulting.
feelersthrowaway420@reddit
The people that stood outside their houses clapping like performing seals because Facebook told them to were, and are, absolute fucking morons.
long-live-apollo@reddit
What a fucking bellend you are.
Viral_anal_SWAB-69@reddit
Instead of a pay raise.. LET'S BANG SOME POTS.
because useless noise pays nurses and drs bills. It covers thier possibility if cptsd and burnout....
Clang bloody clang
Ddog78@reddit
Oh you want them to go to protests during COVID then? Or what pay more taxes?
Viral_anal_SWAB-69@reddit
Funny you say that because blm was allowed to protest and people like you didn't give a shit. other people like just stop oil, extinction rebellion ect we're also allowed.. you never bitched either.
Shut up
long-live-apollo@reddit
Literally everyone wants the NHS workers to get a pay rise. But no one can exactly reach into their pocket and pull out an extra ten grand a year for nurses out their fucking pockets can they. And besides which, we all pay NI so we already do our bit to save the NHS, the government needs to pay them and no one disagrees with that.
feelersthrowaway420@reddit
👏👏👏
long-live-apollo@reddit
Thank you for your continued support.
feelersthrowaway420@reddit
Thanks bro
Ddog78@reddit
Morons who pay taxes. They have no obligation to do anything else.
And like you're any better? Then performing outside their house doesn't help - they should instead be discussing wage raise. You complaining about them doesn't help - discuss wage raise instead.
feelersthrowaway420@reddit
I’m too busy shitposting on Reddit to advocate for the NHS
gogybo@reddit
Sorry but this is an incredibly toxic attitude to have. People weren't (necessarily) doing it because they thought it would somehow help the NHS, they were doing it to maintain some sort of human connection at a time when we could barely connect with anybody.
I was stuck in a shared house with just one other guy who I didn't know too well, and the sound of the pots banging on whatever day it was did actually bring a bit of comfort because it reminded me there was a whole community out there going through something similar, and that we were all in it together. Now you might have a negative view on the fact that it was tied to the NHS, or might say that it was engineered to make people think they were helping when they were actually doing nothing, but to call everyone who participated an "absolute fucking moron" is quite frankly "absolutely fucking ridiculous".
Throwaway72667@reddit
I agree, these comments are making me cringe more than banging pots and pans ever could
noodledoodledoo@reddit
On the flip side, it actually made me feel really negative about people and a bit depressed, rather than like there was a community. Because everyone was just doing this weird thing that honestly had bizarre 1984 vibes just because they saw it on Facebook. And especially the first few times when I had absolutely no idea what was even happening! It was actually a bit scary/uncanny(?) that first couple of times because I'd never heard of it. And even when I found out I felt like I was surrounded by delusional people. Especially because a lot of the people doing the clapping were also breaking a lot of the lockdown rules. Made me feel really hopeless actually. I'm glad it seemed to help you but every time they started up with the banging and the clapping week after week I genuinely felt like either I was going mad or everyone else was. It also made me really anxious because I felt a lot of pressure to join in.
ice-lollies@reddit
Me too. I think I dissociated for about 3 weeks. Genuinely wasn’t sure I was in real life or a really bad film.
pinkzebraprintbikini@reddit
Yeah remember those pictures of all the police and some hospital staff on the bridge in London clapping 30cm from each other.
Mattress117work@reddit
Aww pots and pans friends?
feelersthrowaway420@reddit
Sure thing, clappy boi
AdministrativeShip2@reddit
Chappy Jubs.
giraffeboy77@reddit
I used to like doing a run at that time and pretend I was winning the Olympics 800m title
Swiss_James@reddit
Lol gotim
LegitimateUse3985@reddit
Agreed. Thanks to the media and politicians, the NHS had an almost religious / cult-like status at that point.
In the same way that all religious people are low-intelligence / mentally ill, so too was every single dipshit who stood at their front door like a gawping idiot whilst banging on a pan with a wooden spoon.
I have never, ever, been so ashamed to be a human being.
dream-smasher@reddit
Really? That is the most you have ever been ashamed to be a human being? That fairly innocuous attempt at connection by people who have had to isolate themselves for the first time in their lives? That?
Yeah, alright love.
LegitimateUse3985@reddit
Mass delusion is one of the most dangerous things humans are capable of.
And the fact that this one was seemingly entirely wilful makes it a thousand times worse.
thejadedfalcon@reddit
It's not that, it's more that we kind of figured a genocide or two would have crossed the line of "most shame" first.
dream-smasher@reddit
Exactly.
ice-lollies@reddit
I didn’t go out but my husband did and he was telling me people were using drums and cymbals on my street at one point.
Did people think the louder that they were the better person they were? Is that the thought process?
h00dman@reddit
You are really overthinking this.
hill-biscuit@reddit
The guy with the drum kit is overthinking this
getoutandwalkyouslut@reddit
My Chinese neighbour had a gong
ice-lollies@reddit
Probably.
Jetxoxo93@reddit
People by me set off fireworks. Honestly I’m embarrassed for anyone who participated
LegitimateUse3985@reddit
I think that claiming they are capable of thought, let alone having a process, is incredibly generous.
long-live-apollo@reddit
Terrified people were showing appreciation to people whom they believed were saving their lives from a potentially deadly virus, and given that no one was allowed to go anywhere, see anyone or talk to anyone, maybe they wanted a little human connection at a time they were more disconnected from their community. Not everyone is a misanthropic, cynical, mouth breathing hermit like you are.
SojournerInThisVale@reddit
It’s always had that. It’s why whenever someone suggests making even the most modest, and very necessary reformed, people scream about American healthcare
electricmohair@reddit
I know this is Reddit but this is probably one of the most needlessly bitter and cynical comments I’ve ever read. Christ, people were just showing appreciation to those who were putting their lives on the line at a very scary time. Combine that with wanting to connect with others when where we were all forced apart, and sheer boredom, and that was the outcome. Does it seem a bit silly in hindsight? Yeah, maybe. Did it hurt anyone? No. So you’re really not clever or superior for being this miserable about it.
sphericalhorses@reddit
Exhausted shift workers trying to sleep hate this simple trick!
RoyalConflict1@reddit
Yep, my neighbour kept setting off fireworks at that time and then criticising me for not being out there with them. Instead I was consoling my toddler who'd been woken up by some twat making an absolute tonne of noise right outside her bedroom window!
getoutandwalkyouslut@reddit
Like that ice water thing a few years ago
SojournerInThisVale@reddit
I didn’t do the pots and pans thing, because it continues to put the nhs on a pedestal, but don’t talk about people like that. Even if one thinks what they did was stupid, it doesn’t make them stupid. You can see plenty of goodwill and community spiritedness in the act (again, I thought it was a waste of time)
RainbowWarfare@reddit
And who put those who engineered it in power merely months before?
mrsilver76@reddit
It was actually engineered by Just one person - a Dutch woman living in London by the name of Annemarie Plas.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clap_for_Our_Carers
littleloucc@reddit
Agree that it was engineered by the politicians who don't give a damn, about the NHS or anyone who uses the health services.
However, as someone who is comfortable to Covid, and who worries about older and vulnerable family members, there were plenty of pan-bangers who then went about the rest of their week taking no precautions and flouting the restrictions and guidance, thus putting more pressure on the NHS and its workers.
anp1997@reddit
Man reddit is crazy toxic.
To all the people here calling those that clapped, morons: do you really think that people were clapping because they felt that was helping the NHS? Of course fucking not. People were clapping to show their appreciation and because it was the most isolating, lonely period of their lives so this, at least in a small way, gave them a sense of community. Is there really anything wrong with that or moronic and shameful as some miserable bastards here are saying?
moubliepas@reddit
Yes. It was noisy, disruptive, and in many cases got outright aggressive, as you would know if you had bothered to read any of these replies. Big bloody deal you felt a bit bored, boo boo. Arrange a weekly zoom tea party, or get an essential job.
Absolutely nothing more frustrating than finishing a long shift, getting home to wolf down some food and sleep before tomorrow's 12 hour shift, and having to see an entire street full of twats all congregating outside all 'LOOK AT US GUYS WE'RE LONELY AND ISOLATED SO WE'RE GOING TO SPREAD COVID FUCK YOU'. Trying to ignore them, making a mental note of any house who apparently has decided to socially distance and therefore deserves your eternal gratitude, which you probably won't ever communicate because they make a point of trying to stay indoors or out of crowds.
And don't come back at me with your denial shit, or 'oh well the government were doing it I don't see why we should feel guilty'. Every one of you should feel guilty.
Adventurous_Train_48@reddit
During the pots and pans, I could only think:
Clang
Bring out yer deaaaaad
Clang
EmuPersonal7708@reddit
That pots and pans thing put me very close to the edge of insanity.
AdAltruistic8513@reddit
My neighbour asked me once in a tone why I wasn't out simping with the others on the street. I'd never been more baffled at the hive mind.
I said I thought it was stupid and went about my business.
No-Mango8923@reddit
Well said, my man (woman?)
JayR_97@reddit
The whole clapping, banging pans thing got culty very quickly. You had people getting shamed for not doing it
Throwaway72667@reddit
People are getting shamed for doing it lol
Geeky_Monkey@reddit
As an NHS worker I hated it - it always started just as I’d got home from a 16 hour shift and wanted to enjoy my tea in peace.
One of my neighbours had a word with me for not taking part! While I was wearing my NHS lanyard, and had my maternity ward uniform on!
Aggressive_Freedom28@reddit
Yea I didn't go for it and my neighbor who is a carer called me out on it.....only she was having parties every weekend....obviously not social distancing and I even heard her saying she didn't believe in Covid anyway. But yea I was the arsehole for not clapping.
TheNathanNS@reddit
Never did it, thought the same as you. Banging your pans and clapping doesn't do fucking anything for the doctors and nurses putting themselves at risk.
I'd much rather they got some kind of special benefits for their work.
Feynization@reddit
I don’t want to speak on behalf of nurses, but doctors would settle for wages in line with inflation.
assblasters_inc@reddit
The annoying thing about the pots and pans is it’s gong to be used as propaganda for years to come just like blitz spirit.
Neu96@reddit
Dunkirk blitz tea and crumpets stiff upper lip its coming home Greggs Vera Lynn this one's for the strivers Brussels bloody frogs come on Eileen
zonked282@reddit
I was working double shifts in NHS procurement during the early pandemic, was absolute hell for months and it's fair to say that nobody in the hospital was anything other than utterly embarrassed by the national clap 😂
Random_Nobody1991@reddit
The pots and pans, as well as the clapping was the cringiest thing around the whole thing, which was cringey as a whole looking back on it. I only did the clapping once and even then I find it embarrassing when I look back.
centopar@reddit
I was in hospital in May 2020, having a baby. On the Thursday when I'd been awake for 72 hours, was feeling terrified and isolated having, you know, just had a baby on my own, in a mask, without my husband, had finally got my little boy - who was poorly when he was born - to sleep, I closed my eyes and started to drift off myself...and the pots and pans started.
And the car horns. And some fucker with a vuvuzela.
Virtue-signalling dipshittery, to the DIRECT detriment of people being treated in the hospitals in this particular instance.
ice-lollies@reddit
That’s why I felt I couldn’t clap. We should have been clapping for everyone, including you and your little family. I was very aware that there were people like you that were going through indescribably hard times and I still don’t feel that it’s right that you had to go through that.
I wish I had the words to make it better.
dgj130@reddit
I remember when some of my older neighbours noted my absence at the biweekly pot banging. Like I was being judged for not coming out and participating in a bizarre cult like meaningless gesture
VixenRoss@reddit
Pots and pans banging didn’t really bother me, it was the Lynch Mob that would take to the Facebook pages saying things like “good turnout today, apart from number , 42, but I was expecting that, they are not very nice people”.
DoctorOctagonapus@reddit
The whole clapping for NHS had the same energy as sharing a hashtag for some campaign. Zero effort, zero effect, but you can pat yourself on the back saying you've done something.
MrLubricator@reddit
As soon as you say the phrase "virtue signalling", everyone knows you're a miserable bellend.
GarethGore@reddit
for me the captain tom thing was nice, but I was like "probably easier to donate directly, and its a bit sad an old bloke doing laps is needed to save the NHS"
The pots and pans I felt was utter bullshit though, like you've done the square root of fuck all, banged some pans and berate people who don't, while achieving nothing. good job
yoiven@reddit
They stood clapping and banging pots, and two years later they're complaining that nurses and doctors are selfish for striking and not accepting terrible working conditions and piss poor pay deals.
My partner is a nurse and we were the only people on our street who didn't clap.
00332200@reddit
This is such a pathetic way to be.
Jazzlike-Mistake2764@reddit
I'm glad I don't have such an aggressively pessimistic view of the world and others. Cheer up.
troy_mambo@reddit
Ok I'll bite. What, instead of banging pots and pans, were people able to do? What were you doing, while you were not banging pots and pans?
Careful_Contract_806@reddit
On my local FB group a lady tried to arrange us to clap for the real heroes of COVID, the children 🤣 then after it happened and no one clapped she posted a very angry rant about how awful we all are for not clapping for the brave little kids.
WealthMain2987@reddit
The claps were just bullshit and people know it. Purchase proper ppe and pay the NHS staff more would have been better however our great media outlets said to cla for their efforts.
SojournerInThisVale@reddit
Why? The money Moore raised went where it was intended. It’s his family that then seemed to abuse that
ice-lollies@reddit
I hated the clapping. I could have done it if it was for everyone because everyone was affected in different ways. But to single one demographic out as more virtuous based on their employer didn’t seem right.
Realistic-Stay-7352@reddit
I like bringing up 100 year old Dabirul Islam Choudhury whose similar fundraising thing raised 170 times as much money as Tom Moore did initially but for some reason I can't quite put my finger on he didn't become the nation's darling.
Tirandi@reddit
He was praised by many, many people, received an OBE and got a outpour of support.
Captain Tom became big because he died during it and then his family went nuts
Funmachine@reddit
Captain Tom hot a fucking knighthood.
Pornthrowaway78@reddit
He served during ww2, which I think probably counted for a lot.
The other guy doesn't even have a wikipedia page. Odd.
gilestowler@reddit
Captain Tom also sang a song with Michael Ball which I'm sure was just what the nation needed in hard times to really lift their spirits.
Pornthrowaway78@reddit
Michael Ball had Captain Tom's daughter on the radio more than once I bet he feels like a big fat idiot.
Neu96@reddit
Well he has got twice the amount of blood in his body as a normal man
TheHoneyMonster1995@reddit
I Know!
Icy-Calligrapher-253@reddit
I thought it was the kitchen table...? 🤔
SoloMarko@reddit
Might have been a really big radio.
And comfy.
Cleanshirt-buswanker@reddit
I hope it was imagine
gilestowler@reddit
Oh it was worse than that. https://youtu.be/LcouA_oWsnU?si=1t7pkLaU5241Sd1f
Cleanshirt-buswanker@reddit
Yep that was pretty cringe.
fac-gce@reddit
He also got given COVID by British airways
bakeyyy18@reddit
No one made them all fly to the Caribbean when the pandemic was far from over
fac-gce@reddit
It was a joke mark
yabyebyibyobyub@reddit
Hot knighthood? is that where the Queen taps you on the shoulders with her tits?
SoloMarko@reddit
Not really a royalist, more like, 'Oh we have a Queen? Right you are then type. But, I am really regretting not trying for a hot knighthood in my life. Again, not for any pervy stuff, just the fact of the Queen's tits whomping me, you know, summat to tell the Grandkids.
Yes I know she's gone now, I meant back when I could have been arsed to go for that kind of award.
redditreader1972@reddit
Yer a funny guy, but that's not true.
It's a tap with a red hot sword.
Let's just say it's a seremony you won't forget easily.
yabyebyibyobyub@reddit
So prince andrew trouserless near a 10yr old girl.
C2H5OHNightSwimming@reddit
What a day to have eyes 🤣🤣🤣
Tirandi@reddit
So did Chodhury that's the point. He wasn't ignored because he was Muslim
Realistic-Stay-7352@reddit
He didn't get a knighthood.
lock_the_backdoor@reddit
You're having a mare trying to be outraged here...just slink off back into the background and do yourself a favour.
Realistic-Stay-7352@reddit
Alternatively, no.
lock_the_backdoor@reddit
This is truly embarrassing for you.
ClmrThnUR@reddit
you look embarrassed enough for all of us, now
Realistic-Stay-7352@reddit
I'm an anonymous redditor how could this possibly be embarrassing for me.
New-Fig8494@reddit
Well said.
Bluffwatcher@reddit
"On 17 July 2020, he was personally knighted by Queen Elizabeth II at Windsor Castle."
Realistic-Stay-7352@reddit
I don't know where you got the quote from but he still didn't get a knighthood.
Bluffwatcher@reddit
whatever
pepesilvia000@reddit
he got an OBE not a knighthood - why bother making up a quote with no references?
Bluffwatcher@reddit
https://www.royal.uk/queen-confers-honour-knighthood-captain-sir-thomas-moore
pepesilvia000@reddit
I think you’re getting confused with this thread - Capt Moore got a knighthood (nobody is disputing that), but this thread is about Dabiral Choudhury who definitely did not.
joethesaint@reddit
I think you're being intentionally obtuse here; there's clearly a vast chasm between the two people in terms of how much public attention each got.
Funmachine@reddit
An OBE is not a knighthood.
_InTheDesert@reddit
Bollocks. Captain Tom was massive before he finished his laps.
getoutandwalkyouslut@reddit
He obviously didn't do enough laps, why am I so massive?
Level-Bet-868@reddit
West Ham
johnnydanger91@reddit
CPN TOM IS MASSIVE EVERYWHERE HE GOESSS
TheCurrentThings@reddit
You're wrong.
strolls@reddit
I thought Captain Tom died of a heart attack, jerking off in an airplane toilet trying to join the mile-high club over Bermuda.
theworldsaplayground@reddit
Died becuse of the vxx
as1992@reddit
Lmfao, why are you lying? He was massive way before he died
JLB_cleanshirt@reddit
I never heard of him until now
ThatHairyGingerGuy@reddit
I've literally never heard of him too
Hypselospinus@reddit
Yeah--you seem to be missing afew things there, Champ.
Namely the fact Choudhury started his campaign AFTER Captain Tom had started his and was already "the nation's darling" and was inspired to do so because of Captain Tom.
And Choudhury was recognized for it--he got a well-deserved OBE.
KoalaSiege@reddit
Also missing that Choudhury’s family got some racial abuse from people angry at him for trying to steal Captain Tom’s thunder.
ChefPaula81@reddit
Not surprising tbh.
Sadly we live in a pretty racist country and it’s getting more racist every day
smokeyphil@reddit
Your not wrong things are certainly backsliding as things get more desperate.
PsilocybeDudencis@reddit
What planet do you lot live on?
smokeyphil@reddit
The one where i keep walking past blatant "p*kis go home" graffiti painted on the side of a predominantly non white line of terraced houses among other things.
It gets cleaned off and its back up within a week every time.
PsilocybeDudencis@reddit
Go to Somalia and you will be murdered if you leave the hotel compound.
You need to broaden your horizons instead of conflating mean words with murder, kidnap, and terrorism. You should be proud of what we have achieved in our society - it's truly incredible.
smokeyphil@reddit
That it is worse somewhere else doesn't negate the bad here.
PsilocybeDudencis@reddit
I'd argue that it certainly does. Don't take what we have for granted. Make sure to appreciate it every now and then.
Crankyjak98@reddit
Whatabouttery is the worst, cheapest, most desperate way to try and win an argument. You’re also displaying a delicious lack of knowledge of Somalian history.
PsilocybeDudencis@reddit
Would you prefer to be LGBT here or in Pakistan?
If you don't think our society is becoming increasingly tolerant you are lying to yourself.
throwaway2736636a@reddit
Yeah you’re right, 9/11 wasn’t bad because the holocaust killed more people 👍🏼
(/s because you never know)
Koholinthibiscus@reddit
We don’t need to put up with something just because it’s worse in another country you know. Jesus Christ bar is in hell. Depressing.
C_beside_the_seaside@reddit
for some people
Icy-Calligrapher-253@reddit
Totally agree with you.
ChefPaula81@reddit
Racism being even more apparent somewhere else does not in any way discount the fact that racism in society is quite strong here right now and is getting worse compared to how it was 20 years ago, which in turn was even worse than it had been in the 90s. Britain is downward trending at an increasing speed towards a very racist place.
I’m sure there are other countries where this is also happening, and I’m sure that in some of those countries, racism is even worse now than it is here. This does not mean that Britain isn’t racist, and it doesn’t mean that Britain isnt more racist now than it used to be.
aetonnen@reddit
What region do you live in? I don’t see that nonsense where I’m from
Alternative-Wish2767@reddit
Same one as you mate. We just pay attention
PsilocybeDudencis@reddit
Maybe you pay attention to your little microbubble, but compared to the rest of the world we live in a phenomenally peaceful multicultural society.
C_beside_the_seaside@reddit
Oh well, that's good enough then. All the people dying in the channel should just accept that britin iz full yeah
pajamakitten@reddit
£10 says you are a straight white man who has never had to deal with prejudice.
Alternative-Wish2767@reddit
We’ll, you’re pleasant aren’t you. Personally I think grinding progress to a halt because your nationalism will only allow you to perceive the rest of the world as being worse than us is literally pathetic. But I appreciate we all have our views.
habibi-bourguiba@reddit
The UK is by far the LEAST racist country on earth and I say that as an African Muslim. Literally every country on earth has worse racism than the UK per capita
Realistic-Stay-7352@reddit
I guess I'm approaching it from a different perspective, namely that it's an outrage that anyone should feel motivated to fundraise for the NHS in the first place.
Your average person on the street might well have changed their view about Tom Moore after his family shat all over the legacy such that it was but I would bet money on very few of them even knowing who Choudhury is.
RandomaccountB@reddit
I mean that really isn’t how your first comment came across 🤨
Realistic-Stay-7352@reddit
The whole thread is about winding up folk who bought into the hagiography and my contribution is needling them about why it panned out how it did.
LPL09@reddit
Go and talk to somebody who cares
Baiting on Reddit, rapidly switching arguments, and generally just rambling contrived nonsense.
Realistic-Stay-7352@reddit
In 2021 were giant neon flashing signs drawing parallels between the communal response to COVID and the 'Blitz Spirit'. It is fairly obvious why one face fitted that narrative and gets talked about to this day and one doesn't.
LPL09@reddit
Are you implying the British used a very important resilient period from relatively recent British history to boost morale and help with public health messaging?
The absolute disgrace! Send us all to Racist Alcatraz for reeducation sir.
curiouscabbage69@reddit
If you really want to see racism everywhere, you will see racism everywhere
Entrynode@reddit
Yes I wonder why a WW2 veteran would be best suited for invoking the 'Blitz Spirit'...
everybodyctfd@reddit
Their water system was working fine. Israel has blocked the water access which is now back up, what they haven't allowed for is the fuel for desalination plants to work. So in essence, Israel have blocked their water access. Some pipes may have been used to make weapons but to claim 'all water is not working in Gaza because of Hamas' is disingenuous.
LPL09@reddit
Nobody said all water wasn't working.
They disconnected loads of active water pipes to make missiles.
Gaza has its own water supply and storage in addition to external, but the actual grid and connection of it is deteriorating and becoming less reliable with less redundancy because...
everybodyctfd@reddit
You just said "Palestinians who have used their water pipes to make missiles and are now blaming Israel for being thirsty"
They are thirsty, and Israel has the means to stop this. It has little to do with the pipes used to make weapons as their water system was working fine before the war. The siege of the means to actually operate their desalination plants is the primary issue. Israel also has the access to all fresh water sources. Not sure where else Gaza is meant to get it's water from.
LPL09@reddit
Their water system was working fine because they had the redundancy of extra water coming from the country they were bombing and about to attack en masse?
If their own system wasn't on its last legs they would be less reliant on external water being pushed in. It's an extremely simple concept.
everybodyctfd@reddit
Gaza's water comes from 1. desalination plans which need fuel to power which it isn't getting. 2. Piped from Israel and surrounding area which also still needs to be treated. Turning the water back on and saying they have water when they can't treat it to make it drinkable is bullshit.
LPL09@reddit
If you can't understand this basic concept there's no use arguing.
They ripped out water pipes. That will be a mitigating factor on all of the above. It will increase the burden on other areas with remaining pipes.
There may be areas with local supply that was effectively shut down to make missiles and just joined onto another supply instead.
everybodyctfd@reddit
No I think you are the one who is mistaken. The desalination power stations need fuel to run. Israel has cut this off. It's quite simple.
Realistic-Stay-7352@reddit
I'm genuinely sorry you can't follow the purpose of the thread.
inventingalex@reddit
that is literally nothing to do with your first comment. at all.
Realistic-Stay-7352@reddit
It's the basis of the entire thread. Cynicism about the whole thing.
bendezhashein@reddit
Dw I understand
inventingalex@reddit
if you keep moving the goal posts people are going to be less likely to want to play with you
Realistic-Stay-7352@reddit
It just is what the thread's about though.
tiredfaces@reddit
nah that's not what you were getting at
inventingalex@reddit
"I like bringing up 100 year old Dabirul Islam Choudhury whose similar fundraising thing raised 170 times as much money as Tom Moore did initially but for some reason I can't quite put my finger on he didn't become the nation's darling."
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"I guess I'm approaching it from a different perspective, namely that it's an outrage that anyone should feel motivated to fundraise for the NHS in the first place.
Your average person on the street might well have changed their view about Tom Moore after his family shat all over the legacy such that it was but I would bet money on very few of them even knowing who Choudhury is."
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this isnt really moving the goalposts, more changing the game from football to hide and seek.
Realistic-Stay-7352@reddit
I don't really know what else to say to you without engaging in a probably fruitless explanation of how a conversation about a subject works.
ObadiahWistlethrop@reddit
Your outrage is misplaced. Moore wasn't fundraising for the NHS. All money used in the NHS comes from taxes, not charitable donations. He was raising money for NHS Charities Together, an umbrella organisation for other charities.
Realistic-Stay-7352@reddit
With a stated goal of alleviating pressure on the overstretched NHS. It would be childish to say he wasn't elevated because it took attention away from why the NHS is overstretched. That's where our cynicism comes from.
Teembeau@reddit
It's possible that it's racism, but the news also loves a novelty. 100 year old bloke walks around garden for charity. Plus, he is ex-forces which people love. Second person who does it isn't a novelty.
Also, something that grinds my gears is people going gaga for people in the military who never saw any action. I have no problem with showing some extra respect to heroes like Johnson Beharry, and would buy him a drink if I ever met him, but Captain Tom wasn't running up Sword Beach, he was training people in riding motorbikes in Bombay, which was safer than living in London.
Leather_Web_7491@reddit
It’s not like he got to chose where he was sent during the war is it? He did his bit and contributed to the defence of the country during ww2, surely that’s all that matters?
Teembeau@reddit
He was conscripted, like most people's grandfathers or great grandfathers. Millions of men did likewise, doesn't make them exceptional.
Leather_Web_7491@reddit
And the majority of people put in more dangerous situations would have also been conscripted, they weren’t doing it because they were braver than most, they were all just doing their bit. I really don’t get your point. Who said it made him exceptional, he contributed to possibly our greatest defence, which not many people can say these days and all you want to do is downplay it. What was he meant to do? Demand that he got sent to France so that people like you would be more impressed?
KnightsOfCidona@reddit
IIRC he wasn't even supposed to be still called a captain, and said in an interview he wasn't too comfortable with it but his daughter still kept milking it
Tuarangi@reddit
If you are an officer and have 15 years commissioned service you can keep your rank after retirement though it's not illegal for you to keep using it regardless just not "proper". As he left the forces in 1946 after 6 years service he wasn't entitled to keep using it though there would be no comeuppance for doing so.
Teembeau@reddit
Yeah. No-one went after Captain Beefheart or Captain Sensible for it
Bloodyinboil@reddit
I live near captain sensible. I could have a word if you like!
Teembeau@reddit
Said what?
SoloMarko@reddit
Back of the net!
Kinelll@reddit
His sidestep into pop was a nice reprieve from the rest of the Damned going so goth.
Neu96@reddit
Tell him Happy Talk on TOTP gave my mum nightmares in the 80s.
BlackJackKetchum@reddit
We’ve also got General Saint and Colonel Abrams to consider.
Tuarangi@reddit
Or Major Tom
Fickle-Presence6358@reddit
I think this is one of the issues - people acted like any criticism of his family meant people were attacking him.
I don't think I've ever actually seen someone criticise him, but they were accused of it when pointing out that his daughter seemed like a dodgy asshole.
aetonnen@reddit
I believe that’s a rather unjust and reductive portrayal of Captain Tom’s service in WWII, but I do get your point in general.
SavageComic@reddit
I swear there was a thing that he saw service and did a possible war crime in the Malayan emergency?
That might have just been twitter
AdAltruistic8513@reddit
Racism feels a bit of a stretch, don't you think?
GordonLivingstone@reddit
Pretty sure that, after doing the motorbike training in Bombay, he saw active service in Burma which, notoriously, was not a holiday spot.
Certainly, to a completely non military guy like me, that sounds like enough to qualify you as a proper soldier.
Teembeau@reddit
4.5 million men were "proper soldiers" by the same definition. And we owe them a debt of gratitude, but going to Burma for 4 months hardly makes him some big war hero.
Prior_Eye_1577@reddit
Johnson Beharry - nice reference.
Teembeau@reddit
His citation is just extraordinary. Thoroughly deserved his VC.
Defaintfart@reddit
How are those cherries you picked?
SojournerInThisVale@reddit
Because he’s not a World War II veteran
Phantom_Dave@reddit
He’s misrepresenting by using Captain Tom’s stated target when he started of £1,000 instead of the ~£33m he did raise and comparing it to Choudhurys final total raised of ~£150,000 rather than his stated target of £1,000, so not only misrepresenting but also failing at math
SoloMarko@reddit
The back end of your maths fell off mate.
Phantom_Dave@reddit
Your karma comment is over 10 hours too late mate
SoloMarko@reddit
You are not my boss and, I'm not on the clock, so I'm never late. Always on time.
Pay me, and I'll be 10 hours earlier to correct your Yankeedankness next time. Plus, it's the internet, that thing could be up for years and years, with other people, not even born yet, ready to chip in.
Phantom_Dave@reddit
If you make the same point 10/11 hours after someone else did you’re late, literally adds nothing to the thread
SoloMarko@reddit
No I'm not, I could do it months from now if I like. :) Plus I feel I'm adding weight to the other poster, so they don't feel alone. I could add to the thread though, by saying, 'Yes, pick on me for being late so we can allllll forget about your dropped bollock'. I don't mind, I can take it.
Love_Land90@reddit
Maths.
OldGodsAndNew@reddit
So he actually raised 220 times less, lmao
smay1989@reddit
No wonder ive never heard of the guy!
SavageComic@reddit
"Captain Tom was just in it for the pussy"
Meaaage in a group chat on the day he died.
Realistic-Stay-7352@reddit
'He's in heaven railing Vera Lynn now' was the best one in mine.
IndependentGolf5421@reddit
There’s no place for Islam in the UK. Sorry to break it to you. /s
Jonoabbo@reddit
Wouldn't that be billions of pounds? That sounds pretty unbelievable
6033624@reddit
I’ve never heard of him before. Had to Google him. The fact I know who ‘Captain Tom’ was (wasn’t he given an official promotion?) what he did and that he was knighted DO indicate there was different treatment..
Teembeau@reddit
All sorts of people, including absolute scumbags get knighted. Walked around a field and you get a knighthood? GTFO. It was purely because he became a news story, so the royals/government wanted to tag onto it.
I have family members who work a charity stall at a market every Saturday. Have done it for years. Bit different to walking around his garden once.
yabyebyibyobyub@reddit
Molest kids on 1970s BBC and have the company AND the royal family cover it up? thats a knighthood.
Alert_Elephant_7273@reddit
Woah woah there. I am not having that, totally unacceptable comment, how dare you. It was the 70s, 80s and probably 90s thank you very much. Two decades at least, give the man the recognition he deserves.
yabyebyibyobyub@reddit
try 2010s and into 2023....if anyone thinks it stopped.
They might as well call it BBC Paedo's: the Next Generation
EpochRaine@reddit
In this week's episode of "Through the asshole", we take a peep at John's sphyncter... right after Jeremy drops the soap!
Tuarangi@reddit
Molest kids and defile corpses in NHS hospitals and have the NHS not only cover it up but give you access all areas keys, a room in the hospital and free reign? That's a knighthood
Nothing to do with the millions he raised and charity fundraising of course
greatdrams23@reddit
Dabirul Islam Choudhury was awarded an OBE for raising £420,000 after, tom raised 33 million.
orbital0000@reddit
In fairness, looking at the shit show that's left in Tom's departure, being out of the limelight is no bad thing.
HerbiieTheGinge@reddit
Maybe because he raised 0.45% of the total Captain Tom did.
Ukcheatingwife@reddit
Also this other guy raised billions of pounds??
Ukcheatingwife@reddit
Whoever does it first is going to be the more popular of the two.
TheYorkshireGripper@reddit
You like trying to start racial issues where there is non?
Weird flex but ok.
CaptainPedge@reddit
You mean his daughter isn't a pr guru
GingerbreadMary@reddit
If ever someone was in need of good PR it’s her.
Realistic-Stay-7352@reddit
Proper belly laughed there
wildgoldchai@reddit
Say it louder for those in the back
Altharion1@reddit
Get out with that American shite
wildgoldchai@reddit
I’m not fucking American
MassivePea5763@reddit
Thank god, that poor little non white man has you here to let everyone know that they're racist
GuardianGundam@reddit
I'm outraged on behalf of this person without knowing all of the facts! Classic reddit use
Haramdour@reddit
Tom was a WW2 vet, that’s the ‘darling’ bit
polaris183@reddit
Must just be a pigment of your imagination 🤷♂️
wherearemyfeet@reddit
He received an OBE and was widely celebrated. Naturally Tom Moore was widely known because the PR efforts were more successful and he was a decorated veteran, and the sums of money raised by his campaign escalated very quickly (more than £1m in its first year).
ProfPMJ-123@reddit
The poor sod wasn’t walking round the garden to raise money for the NHS, he was looking for a way to escape.
keep_giving_up@reddit
Told one of my friends that taking him to Barbados was a totally stupid idea, and that they’d regret it.
Pointed out again when he passed that it was completely selfish and irresponsible, and that they really had nobody to blame but themselves.
I got told to kill myself, basically, for ever being so disgusting to think that, he was a national hero and he was amazing.
Now it’s come out his daughter decided to monetise his recovery from a fall, and essentially risked his life to get some cash and a free holiday.
We’re not friends anymore but I do get tempted to send links to some of the stuff coming out now
Does-It-Now@reddit
Fucking hell mate, let it go!
keep_giving_up@reddit
She told me to kill myself over it lol, I’m allowed to be smug
BryanWithoutB@reddit
Send links, do it!
polarpam@reddit
“Needless to say, I HAD THE LST LAUGH”
Apprehensive-Owl-101@reddit
Seal clapping and captain tom I stayed well away from.
are_you_nucking_futs@reddit
I remembered the sage words of Christopher Hitchens: whenever a politician or the media say “we”, ask yourself, “who is this ‘we’ and how are you able to speak on behalf of them?”
I have a strong suspicion most Brits didn’t think too much about Captain Tom, despite the media and government saying that “we” all cared so deeply about him.
Sporting_Hero_147@reddit
Somebody at my work said they cried when he died. It was sad to hear but cry over a stranger?
Anyway, probably didn’t help that his family took him to Barbados at the age of 100 whilst covid was still rife.
jai_kasavin@reddit
I've never heard of him until this post on reddit
are_you_nucking_futs@reddit
r/ChristopherHitchens
Very intelligent man.
halfwheels@reddit
Except for all the pro-Iraq war stuff…
are_you_nucking_futs@reddit
r/Hitchens
PanningForSalt@reddit
he was definitely spoken about a lot, but that doesn't translate to deep care necessarily
ScreamingPoo7@reddit
People my age didn't, just a few crass jokes about croaking out a version of You'll Never Walk Alone etc.
As much as I hate to say it, my older family lapped it up. It hit that 'The One Show' demographic perfectly (BBC1 average watcher is 61?), lapped up by the print media, all over the news.
LalaLovesIt777@reddit
I completely agree, I’m an NHS nurse who worked front line during the first and second waves, and while the captain Tom thing was sweet, it was too saccharine for me. Especially the hysterical over sentimentalism of him and the glint of glee from the daughter enjoying the press attention. I’m aware I sound very cynical but huge public displays of charity seem more self serving than charitable, more in this case, from sir Tom’s family.
destria@reddit
I mean I'm secretly smug but I don't really bring it up. I didn't buy into any of the COVID virtue signalling rubbish at the time and saw firsthand how insidious it could be. I was once shouted at by a stranger because I was out for a walk during the pots and pans banging time, they said "You should be ashamed of yourself!" Nevermind that I was a key worker, risking my own life every day and who was going out for a late evening walk after work to try to de-stress. Fuck that guy .
Uelele115@reddit
This reminds me of the WWII white feathers… I had similar, the only fucker from my Close that worked on site throughout Covid so that anything with any kind of plastic could be manufactured in a hurry (gloves and other stuff) and people weren’t happy when I didn’t made an idiot of myself.
namtab99@reddit
WWI, but you're right, the mob didn't consider circumstance or context. They just followed the other sheep.
Charlie_Mouse@reddit
Apparently soldiers weren’t exactly happy with it either - quite apart from having a far greater appreciation of what it was like at the front than the people handing out the white feathers apparently it was a real pain in the arse when they were home in leave and went out in civilian clothes.
namtab99@reddit
There's a famous case of a soldier in civilian clothing heading to a medal ceremony in which he was to receive the Victoria cross and being given a white feather.
Uelele115@reddit
Thanks for the correction.
AberNurse@reddit
As an NHS nurse I had to hide during the pots and pans. I absolutely didn’t want to join in, I didn’t want to encourage anyone and I didn’t want to accidentally make eye contact with any of my neighbours who know I’m a nurse.
magicalthinker@reddit
We were out clapping and the local heroin dealer/partaker was walking past. We live in a narrow street, like Coronation Street. She walked the whole length saying thank you to everyone for clapping her. It was quite entertaining.
No_Butterscotch_8297@reddit
I remember going for a run when people were doing it, felt like an Olympian. Haven't run a faster 5k since.
ThePingPangPong@reddit
I came back from a walk during The Clap and sauntered down the middle of the road feeling like I was a returning war hero
Pink-socks@reddit
Congratulations for getting the clap.
APiousCultist@reddit
Their sense of pride wasn't the only thing burning.
DaveBeBad@reddit
Same. Thanks guys but I’ve only walked 5 miles. It’s not worth the cheering
keep_giving_up@reddit
The videos of people returning from runs etc during the clapping were absolutely hilarious
polarpam@reddit
Yeah it’s funny but this whole original post is very Partridge
el_trumpo1@reddit
For someone who doesn't buy into virtue signalling, you sure virtue signal a lot.
NKFurry@reddit
My mum's an A&E nurse, she had to go round each pots/pans house to ask them to stop as they woke her up in her (very very limited) sleep between shifts
TheMemeDreamSupreme@reddit
Remember the neighbours making a post about us on the community fb page for not clapping for the NHS after the 3rd time.
We were working at the hospital at the time
Ceejayncl@reddit
Actually the money he raised was given to the NHS. The NHS actually used it to buy a load of Nissan Leafs for Dr’s and other staff to do house calls.
The fleet services for the NHS is ran by one of the local NHS trusts around me, and the cars actually came into the Port of Tyne.
The money that has went missing, been paid to family members, and paid mortgages etc was money that they got selling his royalties (he wrote books), as well likeness rights they sold, and general trademarks they created on the back of it.
realmofconfusion@reddit
The initial Captain Tom stuff was fine. He did a challenging (for him) thing, the nation took it to heart (more on that later) and he raised a lot of money for the NHS charity.
Where it stinks is later on. His media profile was raised by his daughter, Hannah Ingram-Moore, and all the shit that’s been taking place since he died seems to be down to her and her grifting family. “Ingram”… wasn’t that the name of the infamous “coughing major” on WWTBAM? Why, yes it was! I’m sure that’s just coincidence and they’re not related… oh wait, yes I believe that they are.
It seems to me that all the media profile stuff was the prep work for the later grift, and continuing to use Tom’s good name to continue “fund raising” which in reality she would take a huge slice of as director of the charity.
IMHO, she’s the one that stinks, not him.
Hatanta@reddit
Apparently they're not, the rumour was that the coughing captain is her brother-in-law. But it's a rumour I spread at every opportunity regardless.
realmofconfusion@reddit
Good to know. Wasn’t sure which is what I couched it in “I believe” terms so it’s not slanderous.
Happy to withdraw that particular accusation!
😀
ABomBAdam@reddit
Wonderful. I called it from the very start. Feeling this smug is one of life's great pleasures.
Person012345@reddit
What the fuck is a captain tom.
ww82@reddit
My whole family and all of my friends have apologised to me. I knew they were nasty, dodgy fuckers from the get go. The whole thing made me feel nauseous.
Hatanta@reddit
They're family, though - what can you do?
Unstable-Chair@reddit
You shouldn’t say such things about your family and friends! (/s in case it’s necessary, even in a a UK sub)
ww82@reddit
That made me laugh! Thanks kind stranger! Some of my family are nasty, terrible fuckers though.
LiftingHistorian@reddit
I just found the whole thing creepy from the start? Maybe I'm not "patriotic" enough but wasn't there a little boy that was hero workshiping him or something? I mean... I _guess_ was was a hero but... seemed weird?
Adventurous_Train_48@reddit
I just thought it was ridiculous how people went on, so I got shot down more about calling him "the doddery owld twat" than my cynicism on the situation. It was fun to wind people up who were praising the ridiculous murals and shit and acting like he'd both cured cancer and solved world hunger in one.
I don't really think it was him to blame, and he probably did just want to do a nice thing and it was abused. I'm cynical about everything, so I don't think anyone would expect anything else of me, but I tell people it's best to stay cynical because this sort of thing seems to be a pattern.
Outcasted_introvert@reddit
For those of us not in the know, what has happened?
360Saturn@reddit
Short version: Captain Tom raised money for charity and 'the Captain Tom foundation', run by his adult daughter was then set up as a charity. The Captain Tom foundation charity has subsequently ended up paying the daughter lots of money to run the charity. What the charity actually does seems to be a bit murky.
Recently it's come out that the 'charity office' they built on their home land (yes they are landowners, because of course) for some reason looks a lot like a spa and swimming pool, and also that the sales of Captain Tom's book/autobiography which was assumed to be raising money for charity, was actually going straight into her back pocket. To the tune of several hundred thousand. There might be more but that's the bits I know. The daughter has been doing the interview circuit with the defence "Captain Tom was a hero who just wanted to support his family" and has been bringing along her school age daughter for sympathy points.
polarpam@reddit
What I never got is why she didn’t just take a fat pay check running the charity. Maybe she did? But I doubt anyone would have cared that much if she paid herself 80k a year and then some expenses. Maybe some questions but meh. I don’t really know what other CEOs earn. I’m not saying it’s right but she was simply too brazen.
Technical-Tart-7343@reddit
She did pay herself £85k a year to lead the charity, would have been higher but for the Charity Commission limiting her salary…
As you say, the whole spa fiasco and £800k pocketed from his book framed as for charity was very brazen lol
DarkangelUK@reddit
So a bit like BLM but with significantly less money involved?
sphericalhorses@reddit
Yes. And also less rioting.
Outcasted_introvert@reddit
Ah OK. Thanks.
williamshatnersbeast@reddit
Old man walked round his garden. Raised millions of £££ for NHS charities. Popped his clogs. One of his daughters and her family misappropriated a lot of money and built themselves a spa that massively breached the planning permissions which they claimed was because it’s a community asset and could be used by old people in the area at least 7 or 8 days a year to help avoid loneliness.
The gist of it is that a lot of people predicted that a lot of money donated to the foundation would find its way into the daughter and her family’s pockets because she always came across as a bit of a fucking parasite.
um_-_no@reddit
Wasn't it also known ages ago that she had a really high salary and she was all like "whoops! Hadn't thought about how inappropriate, oops, I'll cut my pay" and then suddenly it turns out she was just getting the money another way/possibly the same way, I can't remember the details
Outcasted_introvert@reddit
Ugh, people never cease to amaze me with their ability to sink to new lows of depravity.
TheSecretIsMarmite@reddit
Short version: Grifters gonna grift.
CJThunderbird@reddit
I never liked it for no other reason that I figured if you were living a house that had a garden big enough that walking around it could be described as a "lap" then it was likely another example of some well heeled, middle to upper middle class Englishman that gets so championed in this country.
Alarmed_Crazy_6620@reddit
I'm actually still pro-Tom.
Was it all a bit engineered? A bit.
Did the NHS get the absolute-absolute majority of the money, even if it was a drop in the ocean? Yes. Did the old geezer have some fun? Absolutely. Did the offspring get away with all the nonsense afterwards? No.
Win-win-win.
Thanks Captain Tom
ExpressAffect3262@reddit
The only research I did into it was a fair few months after the money had been raised and all I could find was that there was 12 sets of tables/chairs bought for various cafeteria's in hospitals.
Maybe just me but when NHS receives donations, you always assume it's going to some life saving machines.
Alarmed_Crazy_6620@reddit
NHS needs chairs, computers and mops too
mandatoryfield@reddit
This man is having a heart attack, keep rubbing the mop on his face...to the rhythm of 'Staying Alive' by the Bee Gees
ExpressAffect3262@reddit
No they don't, that's just a mad mans dream.
Alarmed_Crazy_6620@reddit
You serious or just mild trolling?
DontBullyMyBread@reddit
The trust I work for received a small amount of the money & we built a quiet space/room with it. Idk a lot of staff use it if they're having a crappy day so that's nice 🤷♀️
greatdrams23@reddit
He raised 38 million. This money went to the hospitals.
ExpressAffect3262@reddit
Yeah... that's what I said lol
LauraDurnst@reddit
My partner got a tote bag with some vouchers, a single bag of crisps from a multipack, some sweets, and a pair of flimsy cardboard spa slippers. Felt like even more of a kick in the teeth.
ExpressAffect3262@reddit
Oh shit yeah I remember the gifts lol
I was working in the NHS throughout covid and we got a notepad...
phoebsmon@reddit
I was in hospital a few years pre-covid and it was a brand new one. They'd been doing the official opening or whatever and the nurse was telling me how unimpressed she was over the free pen, and at least the ones on the earlier shift got a free bacon butty.
Would love to know what she thought of whatever was in her Covid Party Bag.
HendoKloppo@reddit
Lucky you. I got grumpy patients and ungrateful practice managers.
realmofconfusion@reddit
Sweets plural? As in more than one? Count yourself lucky! One Christmas the new owners of the company I used to work at did something “nice” for everyone who worked there.
Bear in mind that under the old boss we would usually get a Christmas bonus of a £50 Amazon gift card, and one year got a £100 gift card.
The new boss went round and everyone else was given a single Jelly Baby (a gummy candy for any Americans not familiar with the term), and when I say “everyone” I should clarify that as actually being “everyone, until we ran out because we did’t buy enough bags” so about 20% of people didn’t even get that.
aurordream@reddit
I got a rainbow pinbadge declaring me part of the "Covid-19 response #1BigTeam"
I'd rather have had some sweets and crisps to be honest!
holebabydoll26@reddit
We got £7 each sent to us in our trust.
IllustriousCheese614@reddit
I worked for an admin team for community nurses at the time and we got allocated some of the captain Tom fund. Can’t remember what the money was used for now though
canihaveasquash@reddit
IIRC he was fundraising for NHS Charities, which is more related to supporting staff and the community than funding the things the govt should fund - hence why things like tables and chairs get bought. It's nice to have somewhere to take a break!
DontBullyMyBread@reddit
My NHS trust got some of the raised money. We built a little quiet room/prayer room/de-stressing room with it. People still use it today if they just need 5min to decompress or be alone. So that's nice
Alarmed_Crazy_6620@reddit
Sounds ace. I'm sure they could have donated all the money to a single hospital wing but actually find it pleasing that the money was spread around
NorthernSoul1977@reddit
Don't ruin the smug cynic party mate! These very clever people knew immediately to not buy in and it's important you acknowledge how ahead of everyone else they are!
LegitimateUse3985@reddit
Is anyone actually now anti-Tom?
To me it feels like people have respect for his efforts, but it is his family who are taking the proverbial.
As far as I am concerned, Captain Tom himself did nothing wrong, even though I thought it was all a bit cringeworthy at the time.
cegsywegs@reddit
Yes- and always have been 🤷🏼♂️ Couldn’t care less about some old guy walking in his garden, nor how it made him a hero..
isotopesfan@reddit
I hated the whole... thing... for various reasons in part because I felt really bad for him having to do something gruelling then being paraded around in the media like a prize turkey when he could have been sat with his feet up in a dressing gown eating Wether's Originals, as I intend to do at that age.
LegitimateUse3985@reddit
Me too!
Alarmed_Crazy_6620@reddit
I think nobody hates the old guy but think there's a lot of the edgy "remember that guy walking around his garden and us donating money – how mad was that?"
shakaman_@reddit
His family took him (an extremely old and vulnerable man) on holiday (obviously with themselves) while COVID was still killing thousands. He predictably caught it and died.
CrepsNotCrepes@reddit
I read his book and he did love traveling. Obviously no one will really know the truth but I wonder if he knew the risks and wanted to have one more adventure etc
I kinda feel like if I had that opportunity at 100 years old I might take the risk too.
BriarcliffInmate@reddit
I mean, OK, but in the middle of a fucking pandemic it was not only dangerous but incredibly tin-eared to jet off to Barbados.
caniuserealname@reddit
It's not like he was going to go on to live a long fulfilling life if he didn't get covid.
shakaman_@reddit
A few more years with your great grandchildren can be very meaningful
caniuserealname@reddit
At that age? Probably not. One big, fantastic last memory would be much more meaningful to both.
General-Pound6215@reddit
Until something comes up that shows he did anything dodgy I'll still think he was ok. The whole thing was odd, his family paying him to walk laps and all that, and the government shouldn't be leaving the NHS so underfunded but he did a nice thing at a horrible time, raised money for the NHS and some people felt better seeing it so that's all nice.
Things got a bit over the top with knighthoods and making him some kind of national hero but that doesn't really hurt anyone.
But his daughter and son in law seem to be utter scumbags enriching themselves off that nice thing so hopefully they get fully exposed and punished
SojournerInThisVale@reddit
Exactly. The story here is about a thoroughly decent man trying to do something decent for others and then others seemingly trying to take advantage of it for their own gain
procrastinating_b@reddit
Are his family grifters? Yes. Win win /s
East-Transition-5494@reddit (OP)
Yeah, fair play to the man himself and I didn't subscribe to the notion that his family were forcing him to do it etc.
GoufGroup@reddit
I was cynical about a lot of covid things and proved right. People were just a little insane back then
Illwillfuture@reddit
A little insane? Half the country turned into little Hitlers and loved every second of it.
FatStoic@reddit
I could have accepted the little hitlers, it was the people who refused to mask up or socially isolate that boiled me.
I haven't seen my family in three months but you're refusing to wear a mask on your job in a train station?
EmuPersonal7708@reddit
You were one of the little hitlers.
Jamericho@reddit
I mean, Hitler would probably be more like yourself and be against mask wearing. It kind of gets in the way of all the gas.
starlinguk@reddit
I lost three family members because of people like that. Another survived, but purely because he was a doctor and was very aware of what his symptoms meant (blood clot, heart attack).
Coastis@reddit
And the other half turned into pathetic little children throwing temper tantrums because they where expected to endure a mild inconvenience.
Neu96@reddit
I know right? That bloody Hitler and his mask mandates!
thejadedfalcon@reddit
Hateful, incompetent and unwilling to listen to instructions from people who know better? Yeah, "little Hitlers" sums up quite a lot of the people who wore masks around their chins actually.
goldensnow24@reddit
Just needed to get an exemption badge/lanyard, no need to wear a mask on your chin.
thejadedfalcon@reddit
Or, get this, we could not pervert something meant to be used by people that actually need exemptions?
Though I did enjoy the numerous stories of drooling idiots getting confused by people wearing the sunflower lanyard and a mask.
goldensnow24@reddit
Yeah but that didn’t stop anyone from doing it anyway.
Illwillfuture@reddit
You coping okay with the lockdown withdrawals? You must be jonesing for just one more hit of furlough about now :/
Jazzlike-Mistake2764@reddit
You coping okay without having something to be contrarian on so you can feel special and not a "sheep"?
thejadedfalcon@reddit
Of course, that's always your kind's go to, isn't it? Are you capable of wearing a bit of fabric on your face to protect yourself and others? "You're just an addict!" Able to stop invading personal space for a few months? "Little Hitlers!" You people are fucking sad.
Whyisthethethe@reddit
I still remember the 180 degree turn everyone made about Covid regulations when the protests started. I kept thinking, ‘the pandemic’s still going on...? Why isn’t it in the news anymore...?’ Then a few months later everyone just pretended it never happened and went back to caring about Covid again. It felt like going crazy
GoufGroup@reddit
That was literally nuts. People suddenly thought that it didn’t spread if you were rioting over something that didn’t even happen in this country lmfao
LegitimateUse3985@reddit
There was so much insanity. It really brought out the "sheep-like" and "tyrant-like" nature in A LOT of people.
I remember supermarket workers barking at me on three separate occasions. The first was because I wasn't standing on the floor sticker whilst I was in the queue. The second was because I had dared to go down a 'one way' aisle the wrong way (at 6am whilst I was the only customer in the shop). And finally, I arrived for my click and collect order and attempted to get out of the car, you know, to put the stuff in the boot, and I was quickly ordered to stay in my vehicle. It was on the finally occasion I decided I'd had enough of it and explained to the supermarket worker that I am perfectly allowed to exit my vehicle if I want to, and if she wants to run to the bushes to take cover, I won't be offended.
Dan_85@reddit
I'll never forget nipping the wrong way down a one way aisle to try and grab a loaf of bread that was less than 10 feet away from me, only to be barked at and ordered to go back, to perform a loop round the entire store, thereby coming in closer contact with dozens if not hundreds of people, all so I could entire the aisle from the "correct" end. People were unhinged in those times lol.
starlinguk@reddit
Ah yes, "those times". I assume the UK media hadn't been reporting on the sky rocketing cases and the fact that everybody's vaccination has expired.
MaddisonSplatter@reddit
I don’t think either of you come off too well in that last story. Yes, the supermarket worker was potentially being slightly overzealous but these would have been rules that came from further up the organisation. You snapping back like some sort of sovereign citizen makes you sound like a pin in the arse.
LegitimateUse3985@reddit
That's the difference - I was perfectly calm and polite, but in all of these incidences, the supermarket worker was pretty much shouting at me as if I was a naughty child. Everyone has their limit when it comes to being spoken to like that.
starlinguk@reddit
Being polite doesn't make you not wrong.
thejadedfalcon@reddit
Yeah, and their limit was having to repeatedly tell a legion of adults how to follow basic instructions every single day, while being told how vital to the planet they are but getting paid minimum wage to deal with idiots who don't think they're people.
jaimefay@reddit
Gods, yes. We were doing click and collect from the library for a while, and one day I nipped to the loo and while I was gone, for all of two minutes tops, someone wrenched the turned-off automatic doors open, walked around the 6' tall banner explaining we weren't open for browsing, moved the table positioned across the inner doorway, and started wandering around looking at books.
Predictably they were outraged when told that they had to leave and no, they couldn't "just look for a couple of books" now they were here.
When we were open with strict time and spacing limitations it was even worse, and I do not wish to recall some of the things people threatened to do to me when we were a collection point for health and social care staff to pick up COVID tests. Some pillock mentioned it to a family member, who told a mate, and before you know it I'm getting a queue full of entitled arseholes who "can't wear a mask" spitting with rage as they detail exactly how they're going to beat the crap out of me if they don't get a box of lateral flow tests NOW.
Anything customer facing was a bastard during the restrictions - so many people think the rules don't apply to them. Saw a Muslim bloke refusing to use hand sanitiser because there was alcohol in it... The staff member lost it a bit and snarled "I'm not asking you to fucking drink it!"
PanningForSalt@reddit
You were the naughty child in that scenario I'm afraid.
isotopesfan@reddit
It was a terrifying, unprecedented time and if measures were put in place to improve overall safety I think we can forgive people being quite zealous in enforcing them. I'd rather the supermarket worker was strict about encouraging behaviour change to improve overall social distancing vs letting shoppers pick and choose when to follow the guidance, esp as some members of the public are incredibly dumb.
GoufGroup@reddit
The jobsworths loved every second of it
Interrogatingthecat@reddit
God forbid they had to follow the instructions given to them by their management and the government during a worldwide fucking pandemic huh?
I'd bet you were one of the twats that decided getting pissy was a good idea when told you had to wear a mask to enter the store.
GoufGroup@reddit
Yeah I was 🤣
thejadedfalcon@reddit
Naturally, the employee who told you off was just a robot and metal can't get respiratory diseases. Why bother thinking of them?
Jamericho@reddit
I just choose to be cynical about everything. That way, when i’m finally right about something, I can gloat and berate my family for not seeing the good in people. When they point out the other 70 things I was wrong about, i’ll keep shouting over them “but I wasn’t wrong about this one though was i?!” I just love being right more than I do my family enjoying anything. /s
dpoodle@reddit
Hey OP how has it worked for you are you any less of a pessimist?
Ponder_wisely@reddit
Captain Tom served in Burma in the 1950s, where Britain was putting down an independence movement. By decapitating young protesters. https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/f/how-morning-star-exposed-britains-decapitation-war-crimes
skyersjet@reddit
Being cynical is the Reddit pseud way to look right all the time.
chickendipperzzzz@reddit
My ex worked as an ICU nurse at Birmingham children's at the time. I refused to go out and clap. Absolute bullshit. Why would I clap for a service I pay for. Do I go out and clap for the bin men when they collect my bins which I fucking pay for them to do?
Fun-Consequence4950@reddit
I think what Captain Tom did was very admirable. What his daughter did with it after the fact was not.
OutrageousCourse4172@reddit
Have you followed the story at all? It was all her idea to put money in her pocket?
Fun-Consequence4950@reddit
I can still respect what he did and the honest intentions he had. If he was supposedly in on the scam then that's a hell of a burden of proof you got
OutrageousCourse4172@reddit
No, I didn’t say he was part of the scam. But apparently it was her idea for him to do 100 laps of the garden and she persuaded him to do it. She came up with the brand of “captain Tom”. It’s obviously nonsense to refer to someone as captain when they left the army 80 years ago… I think in reality he had very little to do with the entire thing.
TobyChan@reddit
I feel smug, but I still don’t have a spa at the bottom of my garden
InJaaaammmmm@reddit
The great thing about being cynical about everything is you'll often be shown to be right. You'll be an absolute miserable cunt, but one who is right sometimes.
mythical_tiramisu@reddit
It wasn’t just the charity thing itself though. It was all the Captain Tom products that emerged. The most bemusing one was the gin. I don’t like gin so I was never tempted, did anyone on here get some, and how was it?
dinocheese@reddit
You obviously didn't get to see the bongs, skirts and duvet covers.
mythical_tiramisu@reddit
You’re correct on that. Just wow on the very idea of those.
Ex-Perdition@reddit
Didn’t give a shit before, still don’t now
Chance_Ad_469@reddit
I feel pretty damn smug but I don’t dare bring it up because people thought I was enough of a dick first time round…
AbsoluteScenes4@reddit
Let's be honest 100yr old man walk hauling himself up and down his garden to raise money for the NHS was always a shocking indictment of healthcare funding in this country.
As Henning Wehn once said “We don’t do charity in Germany. We pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments’ responsibilities.”.
Viral charity campaigns often cause more problems than they solve too. When you have small charities and individual fundraisers suddenly receiving millions in donations that they are not equipped to handle and a lot of the money never actually gets used for it's intended cause. Remember the Ice Bucket Challenge? The charities that were benefiting from that had to invest huge sums of those donations into additional infrastructure and staffing to process the donations and manage the finances caused by their sudden surge of donations. Once the fad died down they then had to scale it all back again. Even if Capt Tom's family had honest intentions they simply were not equipped to handle that volume of donations. Almost overnight they became a multi-million pound operation and it's just not practical to scale up that fast without some serious investments in infrastructure and expertise. It was always going to end badly.
are_you_nucking_futs@reddit
People defending the NHS charity came up with odd arguments. They said “oh it’s funding things like mental health support for workers and nicer break rooms for hospital staff.”
I want / expect that to be taxpayer funded!
TrumpGrabbedMyCat@reddit
Defending/ supporting the charity and thinking they should be taxpayer funded aren't mutually exclusive.
I'd bet my wage that the vast majority of people who talked about it fall into both categories
um_-_no@reddit
This is completely true, but equally the pandering to viewing the NHS as a charity and the pots and pans etc doesn't help anything with getting more funding and now we're back to no one giving a shit and the government keeping quiet again. A different form of action could have taken place to improve funding
TrumpGrabbedMyCat@reddit
Yeah that'd be great. What changes to the NHS are you helping introduce now?
FatStoic@reddit
No one in public sector gets a nice break room. Bring your own mug, teabag and milk, thank god the kettle works.
AIMBOT_BOB@reddit
I nearly got lynched at work when I found the whole rhetoric around clapping, Captain Tom etc. farcical - nobody seemed to quite understand me when I tried to explain the clapping is an empty gesture from a government that's done nothing but decimate the healthcare sector in the last decade + and Captain Tom's walking showed that, no government services should need charity to begin with!
I said it then and say it now, fuck the claps I'd rather see them funded properly and have adequate facilities, staffing levels etc.
PanningForSalt@reddit
Problem is, to achieve that, we need much more tax income, and I don't see that happening, ever.
Lamenter_@reddit
I got a mug lol. It was one of the things that made me move into academia, along with the clapping at the doorstep whilst simultaneously calling us Lazy for striking.
CompactDesk@reddit
Surely those who are able and willing to give beyond their tax obligations during a time of unprecedented struggle is a good thing?
AbsoluteScenes4@reddit
Where did I say otherwise?
Giving is fine. But when everyone gives at once it can cause a charity as many problems as it solves.
Tigertotz_411@reddit
I don't necessarily disagree with charity. If we consider that say, the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation has probably been a large part of the reason malaria deaths in Africa have dropped by a good half. Whatever many flaws the Gates family have, their work has saved countless lives.
But yeah, it's easily taken advantage of and Captain Tom's family (not him) unfortunately did exactly that.
AbsoluteScenes4@reddit
Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation was built on the back of a multi-billion dollar business that had been built over a long time. Its hardly a direct comparison to the sudden short but massive surges of income that viral charity causes get.
Styrofoamman123@reddit
That's the German mindset, we have a different mindset. Charities are way more efficient than our government is.
IgamOg@reddit
They objectively aren't.
wherearemyfeet@reddit
And When is talking out his arse seeing how there are some 23,000 charitable foundations and some 600,000 charitable associations in Germany. Governments cannot possibly solve every single issue that a charity serves, especially since most are sports teams, theatre groups, social groups (like the Scouts) or are single-focus charities such as raising money for building specific niche facilities that would be overwhelming for a local council to be able to focus on every single one. They're not all "help the homeless" charities.
_Rookwood_@reddit
We need a term for "reverse patroitism" - when you're so cynical and upset about your own countries decisions that you believe in the most clearly nonsensical things about other countries. And hold those foreign countries in very high esteem as a result.
Yeah, no charities in Germany, pull the other one.
butineurope@reddit
My dad lives in Germany. They do plenty right, but this conversation is driving me a bit nuts because they don't actually have universal healthcare!
PiemasterUK@reddit
Germany is quite original though I must admit. Usually people pick a Scandanavian country when they want to pull a ridiculous comparison out of their arse.
AbsoluteScenes4@reddit
World giving index 2021 ranks Germany 85th vs UK at 22 (a record low position for the UK that year). As a German comedian comparing his country the the UK he has a solid point in that regard. Him saying Germans don't do charity obviously doesn't apply to all Germans the same as it wouldn't apply if he said all Brits give to charity when in reality only 62% do.
The difference is the kind of charities Germans give money to compared to the UK. They donate to support their favourite sports clubs and museums, things you wouldn't expect to be state funded. Brits give to maintain the infrastructure of things that absolutely should be state funded. We are an island nation yet rely on charity to fund our lifeboat service. I work for a charity that relies on donations and volunteers to ensure that medical scientists, engineers, physicists and technicians working in the NHS keep their skills and training up to date - the taxpayer pays their salary but it is charity that makes sure they are actually competent and safe to do their jobs. That is an absolute scandal.
AbsoluteScenes4@reddit
He was a German comedian playing to a British audience and when you compare the statistics of German charitable donations per capita to the UK he certainly makes a point.
There are 16m more Germans than Brits and in Germany's best year for charitable donations in 15 years they still only donated half as much to charity as Britain did.
As you say they are supporting things like sports teams that you wouldn't expect to be state funded. In the UK we literally rely on charity for all kinds of things that should be state funded. We are an island nation yet rely on charity to fund our lifeboat service. I work for a charity that relies on donations and volunteers to ensure that medical scientists, engineers, physicists and technicians working in the NHS keep their skills and training up to date - the taxpayer pays their salary but it is charity that makes sure they are actually competent and safe to do their jobs. That is an absolute scandal.
wherearemyfeet@reddit
His point was that taxes sort problems in Germany, not charities. And on that point, he's demonstrably wrong. Even if you exclude things like Scouts or sports teams, the idea that there aren't any "help those in difficulty" charities in Germany because Taxes have sorted those is simply nonsense.
Just to make the above point, this sounds nearly identical to Arbeiter-Samariter-Bund Deutschland who do something very similar.
TrashbatLondon@reddit
This is simultaneously incorrect, but also an incredibly important point about how the whole thing was perceived. NHS Charities together are a foundation not under the control of the NHS that supports a network of charities attached to hospital and healthcare trusts. The engage in community activity and support, as well as supplementary services for hospitals. That money does not fund healthcare in anyway. BUT, many people certainly believed they were directly funding nurses salaries when donating to the captain tom appeal and that’s where it should be scary. Many NHS charities are preparing for a time when either of the current main parties guts the NHS and their remits will be forced to extend into paying for care or core services.
Any specific examples of this? While dealing with an income increase can be a challenge, the guidelines for trustees to handle this are pretty clear and easy to follow.
This report is full of praise and states that 5 new genes that contribute to ALS (of MND in our lingo) were discovered as a direct result of the increased funding. It is generally seen as a huge success that had exactly the impact people desire.
Tay74@reddit
I don't think people thought it was about funding nurses salaries, but that the support and facilities the charities do fund should still come under the remit of funding a functioning health service
Qrbrrbl@reddit
Thats not true. I had discussions with multiple people around the time who were under the misconception it was to fund front line medical services including salaries
TrashbatLondon@reddit
A functioning society, sure, but the remit of NHS CT goes into things like community gardens and meals on wheels services. These are absolutely worthwhile, and contribute to reducing burden on the health service, but aren’t really functions of the health service and I think that was the fundamental difference between what captain Tom’s donors thought they were giving to (and likely what he and his family thought they were funding probably) compared to what that money was going to.
AbsoluteScenes4@reddit
Which absolutely should not be needed at all. If the NHS relies on charity to fund ancillary services then that is as comprehensive a failing of state support for healthcare as you could ever see.
I literally gave the ice bucket challenge as an example. And it's a massive assumption that those trustees have the skills and experience to handle suddenly running a multi-million pound organisation overnight. Most of them will be volunteers who attend a handful of meetings a year and suddenly their organisation has to become a full time operation. I work for a small charity right now and just 2 weeks ago in a training session we were asked to come up with ideas on how we would uses a £1m donation and the reality of it was that even a donation of that size would cause as many problems as it helped for small charity. ALS charities at the time of the Ice Bucket Challenge were openly stating how they were struggling to cope with the influx of donations.
I never said that the money donated didn't do some good. My point is that it could have done far more good if it had been received over a longer period of manageable and sustainable growth instead of a sudden influx of revenue followed by a sharp decline. You also could not have found a more biased report that one from the actual ALS Association who were the main recipients of the donations. They are not exactly going to publish a report admitting how much of the money didn't go where it was intended. Often charities find they can't actually give away/spend donations quick enough which can cause all kinds of logistical, legal and taxation problems if they don't have an experienced team who knows how to handle such situations (which most small charities don't) and it's not uncommon for charities to spend money on unnecessary expenditures just to reduce their reserves down to a more manageable level. In the UK having a surplus of donations usually means dealing with the charity commission and can often cause huge PR headaches for charities.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/charity-fundraising-appeals-for-specific-purposes/charity-fundraising-appeals-using-donations-when-youve-raised-more-than-you-need
https://actionplanning.co.uk/insights/when-the-problem-is-having-too-much-money
https://ciof.org.uk/IoF/media/IOF/Policy/iof-acceptance-refusal-and-return-a-practical-guide-to-dealing-with-donations-(5).pdf?ext=.pdf
TrashbatLondon@reddit
It’s probably more nuanced than that. Providing safety equipment for emergency response vehicles absolutely should be an element of healthcare funding and not the responsibility of charity, but building community gardens (while obviously something lg should do) is something that isn’t as problematic to be funded by voluntary contributions. Elements like supplementary career guidance for staff too. There’s a core service funded directly by the NHS, and additional support from NHSCT.
It’s not just NHSCT, I’d wager most charity donors have a hard time articulating what the organisations they give to actually spend money on. Pretty normal, just scary when Wes Streeting might become health secretary and start selling off services.
It isn’t an example though, because the organisation spent their money in an effective and impactful way.
But they don’t need to handle a multi-million pound organisation overnight because the framework of the charity system in the UK removes certain decisions from their remit that they would have to make were they running a for profit company. It is literally easier to handle unexpected income as a charity.
Obviously sustainable growth is the most desirable, but we aren’t talking about a scenario where there was a choice, are we? They couldn’t refuse the money, and while it might have been a pain in the hole for the finance team to handle, it ultimately was a net positive for the organisation.
Why don’t you post the published reports stating how much of the money didn’t go where intended then?
I can think of RNLI getting a bit of grief 20 years ago, but can you point to others who’ve had issues because of a surplus of donations?
This is about restricted income.
This is sensible advice to spend more and invest in long term gain.
Did you read this one before posting? It’s guidance for returning gifts based on repetitional risk, or under performance of restricted appeals. It has nothing to do with having too much money from a viral campaign.
bigtunes@reddit
The NHS is funded from general taxation & NI. NHS Charities were the recipients of his funding. It's an important distinction. Ideally there would be no need for NHS Charities and staff restrooms, counselling for staff and all the other stuff they do for staff and the community should be part of the budget for the NHS in general but here we are.
854,000 charities & NGOs in Germany v 220,000 in the UK.
https://www.globalgiving.org/atlas/features
AbsoluteScenes4@reddit
Yet in 2020 the German population as a whole donated less than half what the Brits did to charities despite having 16m more people.
2020 was a 15 year high for German charity donations and they still didn't get close to the UK for donations.
Look up Germany's place on the World Giving Index. 85th in the world in 2021.
Swiss_James@reddit
Not a great example- that really helped accelerate the research into ALS
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/als-ice-bucket-challenge-research-impact
AbsoluteScenes4@reddit
It did but even the charities themselves were openly admitting that they were struggling to cope. A lot of the money ended up being spent on staffing and infrastructure as well as research.
A lot of Captain Tom's donations went to the NHS too but when that much money is involved significant sums always end up being used for things other than what they were actually donated for.
Swiss_James@reddit
Staffing and infrastructure seem like a necessary part of running a charity to me.
Building a massive spa in the background of your house not so much mind you.
AbsoluteScenes4@reddit
Yes but when you need them suddenly and only for a short period it's not an efficient way of running that charity.
I have worked in the charity sector for about 15 years on and off and honestly the sudden windfall and rapid drop off is known in the sector as the nightmare scenario. For all the good it does in the short term that money would almost always be better received over several years of slowly increasing incriments. Even charities with the best intentions become incredibly vulnerable when they receive a massive sudden boost out of nowhere. ALS charities were well established and they struggled. Capt Tom's family, even if they had been totally honest, basically had no chance of coping when they were basically just a kickstarter campaign with no infrastructure or expertise.
Swiss_James@reddit
That's an interesting viewpoint. Do you think the family are being unfairly criticised?
AbsoluteScenes4@reddit
Not at all, they clearly used the funds dishonestly. But going back to OPs original question about people feeling cynical when Capt Tom started his fundraising efforts, to many it seemed inevitable that the sudden influx of money would cause problems for the family. However, the expectation was that they would misuse the money through ignorance and not knowing how to manage it rather than through greed.
thejadedfalcon@reddit
I mean, it was also used by a lot of people who had no idea what ALS is, didn't try to advance the cause at all and some of those morons even got themselves killed doing it.
SojournerInThisVale@reddit
What an absolutely load of rubbish. I guess the German charities I wrote reports to for work don’t exist
This_Specialist6972@reddit
My mam & dad said the exact same thing as soon as Captain Tom passed :( no one ever seems to have good intentions these days!
made-of-questions@reddit
I feel sad I was proven correct. My default tendency is to be cynical. But as I aged I realised it's a cheap way to be right... and still lose. Believe someone will disappoint you and sooner or later they will. It never feels like a victory though. Just a lose-lose. I really appreciate people that believe in other people despite the numerous times that was not deserved.
nr191@reddit
The whole thing was bonkers. That along with people standing on doorsteps slapping pots and pans together. Fucking hell.
I was told by friends and family that I didn’t give a toss about the NHS because I thought both events were narcissistic bollocks.
um_-_no@reddit
My mum was told the same thing... And she's an NHS nurse...
AnneBonney3@reddit
I was supportive when it was about fundraising and giving people a good news story at a dark time. I did sympathise with people who said it was overblown, but then that's British tabloid media so I didn't think too hard about it.
I did start raising my eyebrows when his family jetted off to Barbados on holiday in the middle of a hard lockdown for the rest of us. I didn't suffer badly compared to others in COVID, but my first Christmas ever away from my family really hurt. I felt a little jaded that it seemed not to be a problem for them.
Now all the other dodgy business has come to light I am disappointed. A lot of people say it's the fault of the family and not Tom himself, but then I do wonder why he never instilled better values in his children if he was a good egg himself.
PiemasterUK@reddit
The truth is nobody knows how they will react when they are put in a position of power/money until it actually happens. It can turn seemingly the nicest people into greedy vultures.
In fact, a lot of the people on Reddit constantly complaining about greedy/corrupt individuals/companies/politicians would probably act as badly or worse if they ever found themselves in the same position.
um_-_no@reddit
But... But... His kids were already rich? Did you see the house he walking around?
And the truth is, we don't know he didn't have a part of the plan. I'm not saying he did, I'm just saying you can't say you can't make assumptions whilst making assumptions
Whyisthethethe@reddit
What a nasty way of thinking
youwon_jane@reddit
Tangentially related but I reckon those Lad Baby people are definitely at it like Captain Tom’s family is
dinocheese@reddit
Wtf is a lad baby anyway
Shitelark@reddit
There probably isn't a good word for it in English. Maybe some German word for sucking on a sour sweet; a bit like I feel about B****t.
Joshawott27@reddit
My Mum still defends Captain Tom himself, but has absolutely nothing nice to say about his daughter.
No-Mango8923@reddit
I bet they're feeling the same as people who shat on Sinead O'Connor when she spoke out against the Catholic Church.
ExplorerNo4668@reddit
Very early on I said to my fella that I just felt something wasn't right, at first I did get a backlash from my family and his family for suggesting something wasn't right.
But the moment they took him on holiday to Barbados my sister said they were trying to kill him intentionally ... so I has a team mate 😆
I have to say it was brilliant watching my fellas face when things turned. It was an I told you so moment! I've always been very perceptive with people and I knew early on that something was off with Hannah Ingram-Moore, it was in my gut that she was trying to take advantage of Captain Tom...
Honestly I'm glad Captain Tom isn't here to see his waste of a space daughter and what she has done to his legacy.
Non-Combatant@reddit
I'm not 100% on the ins and outs of it, from what I understand his family have kept some money from book sales that was never intended to go to charity?
shortfry7@reddit
the "some" was a substantial amount
Non-Combatant@reddit
And who's money was it?
shortfry7@reddit
like yourself I'm not clued up on the in's and outs. Merely know the stated figure that's been made public
Non-Combatant@reddit
You could just say it, it's not a secret. The daughter kept £800,000 that she claims her father wanted her to have. What I don't understand is all the drama, but I'm not terribly arsed either.
BangkokiPodParty@reddit
Educate yourself before commenting.
Non-Combatant@reddit
Don't take it too seriously mate it's only reddit...
BangkokiPodParty@reddit
And illegally built a massive spa complex on his dime.
And stood up at Wimbledon to a standing ovation and tried to steal the limelight.
And took a freebee holiday to Barbados in which their old father DIED.
Grifters.
luke62389@reddit
My wife apologied to me 😂😂
skipperskipsskipping@reddit
I’m a cynical old bird.. kept saying it all seemed a bit off. How everybody was taken in is baffling to me
SilasMarner77@reddit
Anyone with any experience of the charity sector was probably seeing red flags from the get-go.
lessthandave89@reddit
The fact that there's a charity sector at all is pretty damning in and of itself. There are far too many people in this country that have to rely on charity to survive.
PiemasterUK@reddit
As opposed to which country past or present that has no charity sector?
starlinguk@reddit
I'm in Germany. Our air ambulance, for example, is funded by the government. Because it effing should be. We have one charity shop in the city, for the "Tafel", which is a little like a food bank, but they cook and deliver food to people. That's it. The government funds cancer research, no "Cancer Research" charity required. See also Asthma, child protection, breast cancer, care of the elderly, etc.
PiemasterUK@reddit
Well I stand corrected.
It's awesome to know that the German government has managed to cure cancer BTW. They kept it quiet, but at least I know where to go for treatment if I ever get it.
lessthandave89@reddit
My bad, I forgot because something hasn't been accomplished before it's not worth striving for.
In all honesty, I'm probably conflating sector with industry. That there's enough demand for charity for companies to pour money and resources into hiring staff to prowl the highest reet for charitable donations to causes that should just be funded anyway, is grim to me.
PiemasterUK@reddit
I think that's a separate issue. If every there is a demand for something, supply will arise to fill it - likely competing supply from several sources. People want to give money to charity, so charities will exist to fill that need. They essentially 'sell' feeling good about yourself.
I agree it feels grimy, as do all industries where a simple economic transaction is somehow intertwined with 'virtue'. But this is nothing to do with how well funded things are, the industry would exist regardless, hence my original comment.
PanningForSalt@reddit
the charity sector includes all sorts of things, not all are damning of gov/society. Youth organisations like Scouting, Heritage organisations, environmental organisations, art funds, community centres etc.
garyk1968@reddit
Lots of dodgy things have to come to light after the covid dust had settled but hey don’t want to go off topic.
Sol-idSnake@reddit
I'll never forget, around 2007 it was Christmas and I was with my family. Jim'll fix it highlights were on TV and I said "He looks like a pedophile....
...my family collectively lost their minds. I doubled down and said he was creepy and clearly a pedophile and they really berated me for it.
Well now....
Fakjbf@reddit
As an American at first I thought you were talking about Mad Cap’n Tom.
gll5dm85@reddit
Yes, the thieving bastards. I could see it a mile off.
Ukcheatingwife@reddit
I wish I was wrong but I knew all along they would siphon that money in to their own pockets.
No-Transition4060@reddit
I mean it was predictable as shit, you make any regular person the head of a charity that now suddenly has millions, and it’s gonna happen. BLM did it too and they were so above criticism that you were some racist cunt if you assumed they might. I did manage to get a bit more smug about it this time cause I said that this exactly would happen the first time I saw the family and the way they’d shoehorned themselves into it, it was probably too early to call but I’ve always been overly cynical and I did end up right about it.
BriarcliffInmate@reddit
Couple of people on Facebook apologised to me, because I said from Day 1 something dodgy was going on.
I got told I was cynical and "evil" because I couldn't see the amazing work done. But I knew I was right. I worked in PR for years, I can smell an orchestrated campaign and grift like a fart in a lift.
Thankfully, most of my close family actually agreed with me that it was too weird, so I didn't feel alienated or anything.
BitchofEndor@reddit
But Cpatian Tom didn't do anything wrong at all.
kevinmorice@reddit
Same as always, everyone else claims they said so at the time and I am imagining the hate I got.
LegendEater@reddit
I haven't brought it up once, but I've enjoyed every bit of the dismantling of this farce.
theresamaysicr@reddit
Obvious chancers from the moment it began.
drLens_in_da@reddit
Excuse me what are we talking about. Captain who? I could Google it but why not ask here
sjintje@reddit
hey, did op get deleted? i suspected he might have a spiky personality.
cmpthepirate@reddit
I would absolutely relish the opportunity to interview Hannah Ingram-Moore for a job.
Obviously I wouldn't even trust her to put my bins out on alternate weeks, but question time would be fun!
CALCIUM_CANNONS@reddit
Never trust a woman with that kind of haircut
wozblar@reddit
TLDR for someone on the other side of the pond porfavor?
gizmostrumpet@reddit
During the 2020 lockdown, a news story broke about a WWII veteran called Captain Tom. He was raising money for our national health service charities by walking 100 laps of his garden.
He became a national news story - lots of people celebrating him as a hero of a dark time - he had a number one single, a knighthood, books and TV specials - you name it.
In our second lockdown in December/ January 2021 he and his family went on holiday to Barbados where he contracted COVID and died.
His daughter eet up the "Captain Tom foundation" a charity in his name.
Since then it's been found out she took £800,000 worth of money made from his books, and the foundation was shut down after she tried to build a spa in her back garden.
Cleantech2020@reddit
I am not from the UK and this showed up in my reddit feed. So I have heard about Cap Tom and his fundraising in Canada as well but ofcourse didn't hear any issues after. What's the dodgy bit?
gizmostrumpet@reddit
His daughter pocketed £800,000 from his books.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/oct/11/capt-tom-moore-daughter-says-she-kept-800000-his-books-made-on-his-wishes
The charity his family started was shut down after they tried to build a spa in their back garden.
https://news.sky.com/story/captain-tom-foundation-to-close-down-as-daughter-fights-spa-demolition-12986324
gizmostrumpet@reddit
I struggled a lot in lockdown 2.0 so seeing him and his family go off to Barbados and everyone getting angry if you commented on it stung.
Also, the same over-zealous pro-lockdown at all cost people in my life who were happy to name and shame their friends and neighbours for sitting in gardens became all "well we all broke lockdown lots of times!" when the party-gate stuff leaked.
Professional_Elk_489@reddit
People are slapping me on the back buying me pints sincerely apologising for getting it wrong and telling me how wise and smart I am.
Fruitpicker15@reddit
I think he was a decent old man who was cynically exploited. The PR machine was already up and running as he took his first steps and a quick look on Companies House made me wonder what was really going on.
offaseptimus@reddit
Why are people generally surprised when charities turn out to be dodgy?
It isn't particularly about captain Tom, they are all paying their execs big salaries and enormous expenses, Oxfam was paying for non disclosure agreements for victims of their staff, wikimedia foundation spends 96% their money on a thinktank unrelated to Wikipedia, everything was crooked at Kids Company.
Phinbart@reddit
I remember saying to immediate family how it spelled out what a state the country and the NHS was in if they were relying on 100-year-old blokes to walk around their garden, rather than letting them enjoy their retirement in as little pain as possible, having contributed to the nation through work when they were younger.
I didn't feel comfortable at all saying that to extended family or posting it online, as I knew I'd be castigated. I feel kinda vindicated now.
DeadliftYourNan@reddit
Nobody listens to me now that listened to me then. And I work with idiotic anti-vax Russia sympathetics who get all their news and theories from Tik Tok
WoodyManic@reddit
I knew it was a grift from day one. I feel somewhat vindicated now.
r-og@reddit
Even if it's not, it's fucking bizarre. Like the pots and pans banging, it reeked of self-importance and a weird middle-englander mindset.
Colman91@reddit
Not only that but the bitchiness from people who participated levied against those who didn’t was just as bizarre.
r-og@reddit
Thank Christ I live in a city and not in some shitty suburb where everyone knows your business
BrawDev@reddit
Well, like everything we tend not to bring up events such as that because proving parents, and anyone of an older age wrong is against the Magna Carta I'm pretty sure.
mas-sive@reddit
Got downvoted for mentioning, now who’s laughing
lessthandave89@reddit
That's fair. I'd just rather we drew the line somewhere else as a society, so people got that dopamine hit from sourcing new kit for a kids football team, or a new church roof, rather than life and death stuff like food banks and cancer research.
holebabydoll26@reddit
Don’t know how widely known this is, but for some reason the money he raised was shared equally between all NHS through a one off payment (at least in my trust) and I got sent £7. Money well spent..
2hazy2cry@reddit
Captain Tom sounds like a darstardly skallywag
Timely_Egg_6827@reddit
Captain Tom was genuine enough in what he set off to do which was raise money for charity and get exercise during Covid. He deserves a lot of respect for that. What came after shouldn't detract from that.
The media saw a feel good story and ran with it. That came with a lot of donations from a public needing a feel good story. And can see how family got tempted. Sad how it all ended but the man still did his laps.
Money_Visual_5227@reddit
I can feel your joy in being right, fucking nation of scam artists it seems.
toxicgecko@reddit
I remember stating that our NHS should be funded by the government and not an 100+ year old man and I got piled on by certain acquaintances for ‘hating a charitable good man’.
More power to captain Tom but if he wasn’t a little old war veteran I really doubt he would’ve got such attention (oh and his family pushing for publicising) he finished his original goal and then felt pressured to do even more laps of his garden- I don’t speak to the people who dogpiled me over it but they’re the kinda people to pretend they knew all along ¯\(ツ)/¯
McCQ@reddit
I didn't have an issue with the sentiment, but it was pushed so far that you couldn't help but think something was fishy. The holiday thing seemed like a terrible idea all round.
ChildrenOfChrist@reddit
All “Charity’s” are blatant scams and tax avoidance schemes so I wasn’t surprised at all and honestly think anyone who didn’t see this coming has a room temperature IQ.
Cancer research CEO base salary of £254,900 Nuffield Health CEO base salary of £840,000. Steve Grey earned over 1.2 million with bonuses in 2021 St Andrews Charity CEO base salary of £430,000
I could go on and on, this isn’t including their bonuses which often ensure they are earning millions a year.
Competitive-Cry-1154@reddit
The Nuffield Trust funded most of the research that led to the new malaria vaccine. That wasn't a scam. The beneficiaries of the vaccine will be mostly children in poor countries who would otherwise die.
The Welcome Foundation was set up to benefit humanity with a bequest from a drug maker uberlord. It's got a vast amount of money which has been given to it, not scammed. That situation demands someone with a range of scarce skills and knowledge run the thing, otherwise the vast resource is not going to be used effectively to further the aims set down. The fact is that most of us don't have those skills and knowledge and in a capitalist setup you get what you pay for when you put someone in a job.
Large and complex organisations with huge resources ought not to be run by amateurs and especially not in the field of medical research where the top managers mostly have highly technical backgrounds in science as well as a business brain.
I think you're being way too cynical. But here's the thing - you don't need to donate any money to these organisations if you don't want to support them. But expecting them to be run by clueless clowns is just a bit silly.
ChildrenOfChrist@reddit
A 14 year old boy Heman Bekele has just come up with a bar of soap that treats melanoma. He’s 14 and came up with this for the Young Scientists Challenge.
Cancer research got £23 million in taxpayers money (Not donations. From the government) and managed to get cigarette packs changed to universal colours and sun beds banned for under 18s.
It is well known the Wellcome Trust has billions of investments in companies related to the problems the philanthropy wants to solve so they’re not exactly the best example. I get what you’re saying, obviously not all charity is inherently corrupt but when you are paying your CEO millions (and thats not including any of the other high ranking employees who are likely also on hundreds of thousands) how many thousands and thousands people donate a pound or whatever change they have for it not to go towards the people that need it and instead line the pockets of the ultra rich.
Competitive-Cry-1154@reddit
I suppose in a better world these huge charities wouldn't be needed.
What happened with the Captain Tom industry is an example of how things go wrong when you have a total amateur trying to run an organisation with multiple millions of assets. Greed and incompetence set in.
cloche_du_fromage@reddit
I'm a trustee of a small charity, after working in senior corporate positions. I take a very below minimum wage pay, and would never expect to draw down a commercially comparable income, particularly at the expense of the charity beneficiaries.
SojournerInThisVale@reddit
They’re not scams. They’re paying those levels (which, working in the charity sector, I deeply dislike) because they need people who are effectively competent to manage a multi million pound business equivalent. They’re also competing with the private sector. Would you rather they paid £50,000 and employed people without that level of experience. And again, I say this working in the charity sector (for a huge charity) whose CEO pays himself a wage well below market rate)
HarassedPatient@reddit
There are thousands of small local charities where no one involved is making any money at all. You can go over board on the cynicism. I do agree with you on the big one's though.
ChildrenOfChrist@reddit
Big charities were once small charities.
Have a read of the Journal of Financial Crime. Vol 26, No. 1 “Fraud in small charities: evidence from England and Wales”
Just like how a small time drug dealer hides under the radar while everyone knows about the big players.
HarassedPatient@reddit
Paywalled I fear. But there's limited scope for fraud where a charities income is a grand or less a year. The food kitchen that feeds the homeless using donated food from supermarkets might have the odd tin go missing, but I don't think the volunteers are giving up hours each night for a free tin of soup. The locals who litter pick the local park ain't doing it in the hope of finding 10p in the grass. There is such a thing as being too cynical.
yabyebyibyobyub@reddit
"It's not dodgy, my dead grandpa WANTED me to steal over 800k he raised for good causes. Ask him if you don't believe me"
EvasiveUsernam3@reddit
Call me callus, but I was in hysterics when the captain who was lauded as a hero for protecting the NHS then went on a foreign holiday during a worldwide pandemic, caught the virus that made him famous, and promptly died from it, putting more unnecessary strain on the NHS, who his campaigning for got him the holiday in the first place. And to add to it his family indulged themselves in the money. Brilliant.
Never join the mob, regardless of whether they are lauding a new hero or baying for someones blood.
FeralSquirrels@reddit
100% was with Captain Tom - he's an absolute star and one of the few little glimmers of positivity during the period.
The money raised going to a good cause? Excellent.
While I'm not au-fait with every in/out/angle with his family....well it stands to reason they'll have found or have a way to profit from it in some way.
If it's underhanded, well I can't say I'm surprised, if it was legit, well that should be made more clear or as usual the media need to stop being such hounds looking for more blood just to make a story and stick to facts.
Interrogatingthecat@reddit
Well there's the whole spa thing built with charity funds, that's pretty underhanded.
cloche_du_fromage@reddit
And the £800k from his books, that people purchased thinking the proceeds were going to charity.
GeronimoSonjack@reddit
Unless the claim was actually made, then that's on them.
Abrusia@reddit
I don't actually care and never have. I also don't see the issue with them keeping the money. That's probably what Tom wanted. This is all a storm in a tea cup. There are billionaires and corpos not paying their taxes. Why are we upset about some suburban nobodies building an extension? Who cares?
blinky84@reddit
I was very cynical about it, and the stupid clapping thing too. Colleagues were all in.
I think not being able to be smug about all this to them is honestly the worst think about having quit that job.
LegitimateUse3985@reddit
Why not pop in for a quick coffee and a gloat?
blinky84@reddit
Pretty sure they'd still find a reason for me to be a Horrible Person™ but that's up to them haha
mjoq@reddit
So then don't pop in. Stand outside and bang a pot and pan together as they leave the office
blinky84@reddit
YES
grannysGarden@reddit
Some backstory would be helpful here - I remember people doing the NHS clap but I’ve never heard of “Captain Tom”…
ATSOAS87@reddit
I didn't really follow it, it seemed weird that an old man was walking his garden to raise money for charity in one of the richest nations in the world. I have been paying attention to the amount of money that has been pissed away by the government during COVID.
watsee@reddit
People are basically trying to drill down on the point that Captain Tom himself was the *ahem* "hero" and didn't have anything to do with the misappropriation of funds. That was his daughter/family.
So they still try to hero worship the bloke whilst effectively plugging their ears and going "lalalalalalalala"
BangkokiPodParty@reddit
I was hugely cynical about it and called it out from day 1.
It was a twee crap, which no one in Scotland bought into.
Personally I have no opinion about Father Tom, I know nothing about him other than he was aged 100 when he died in Barbados.
With that said, it was Dunkirk spirit, flag shagging, poppy wearing, crap by wealthy middle-Englanders.
The standing ovation that the grifter got at Wimbledon made me feel sick. I mean, genuinely, what had she done to deserve that?
I can say, that hand on heart, I don't know one person who didn't see right through it.
I am DELIGHTED she's been outed for being nothing but a GRIFTER who sought to steal the limelight from her 100 year old father.
SomeGuyInShanghai@reddit
What happened?
DVPL0ver@reddit
The same way I feel about everything else that happened over covid and I was right about, people just believe what they’re told with no critical thinking.
Viral_anal_SWAB-69@reddit
The same "friend" who wouldn't take I was exempt from masks (severe sinus issues, anxiety, cptsd) physically assualted me by trying to ram a face nappy on me... kept being reoccurring sinus and gum issues that MAGICALLY stopped after masking stopped being "mandatory"
Hmm..I wonder what could causes both of those things? Can't possibly be from breathing back in your own crap? Accumulation of bacteria being harboured on a cloth or n95? The damp environment?
Kaiisim@reddit
In my experience those cynical about that are just cynical about everything. They didn't notice anything particular about captain tom other than everyone supported it, so they took the opposite position.
Most are too busy taking a contrary cynical position on something else to do a victory lap.
Even then Captain Tom wasn't the issue, it was his shitty daughter.
Jazzlike-Mistake2764@reddit
Especially evident when you ask them what they did for charity at the time, or what they did to support NHS workers instead of clapping - they just stop replying
They complain about virtue signalling while virtue signalling their self-perceived intellectual prowess for being savvy and not following the herd, without actually doing anything to address what they're complaining about themselves
williamshatnersbeast@reddit
I think this is one of the biggest issues here. Captain Tom himself never actually benefited (apart from maybe his Caribbean holiday that probably actually got him infected and killed) and people seem to think that’s the argument. Anyone that thought he was scamming and is now declaring themselves as in ‘smug mode’ is completely wrong.
Whereas a lot of people, myself included, picked his daughter as being a parasite from the off. Something always felt ‘off’ about her appearances with him in the media and I predicted there would be issues that arose from them setting up a charity. Not saying she didn’t care for him but it certainly felt like she knew there’d be something in it for her. Lo and behold there have been many allegations of mismanagement about the charitable trust and her misuse of funds. They spent more on admin and running the charity than they did supporting good causes in its first year I believe.
I’m not smug about it, however. Just disappointed that someone, for personal gain, has abused what should have been a wonderful thing. That’s the world we live in though.
blueeyedtangle@reddit
The amount of people who are gloating about feeling smug over this situation is baffling…
cricklecoux@reddit
Fill me in, I’m a bit out of the loop? I just tried to look up any news on him and it seems that there was some controversy over building a spa?
Hammy747@reddit
Fine. I knew I was right, and the people who had a go at me way back when I first mentioned it all get very sheepish whenever anyone dares bring the subject up.
Usopp_D_Bum@reddit
It’s hard being the only one to see clearly.
ThatBlokeYouKnow@reddit
I rounded everybody up and got them to kneel in front of me and tell me i was right, whilst I was sat there all smug thinking I am above these cretins.
FatMartialArtist@reddit
I feel smug vindication whenever it is brought up and stare smugly at my mother, sister, and wife, who all thought it was wonderful and the sun shone out his arse.
I said from day one, "He's an old bloke going for a walk in his garden, and I bet he pockets the lot." I was told I was a horrible bastard and a cynic etc. Well...
I also didn't like how it was just accepted that an old bloke raising money for the NHS is a great thing, when the NHS shouldn't even need that if it was funded properly.
So aye, smug mode.
SpartanS034@reddit
I believe you're misinformed about this bit anyway. The money was never for the NHS itself it was always for NHS Charities Together to support the front line staff.
lessthandave89@reddit
His point stands though to be fair. A properly funded NHS, with adaquate pensions/sick pay/support for staff, shouldn't need any outside help from charities.
trukk@reddit
As with almost all public sector bodies, pensions, sick pay, job security and other benefits (such as parental leave) are exceptionally good for NHS workers. Better than almost anything you'd get in the private sector.
Whatever you think of the state of healthcare funding, it's not just true to say that pensions and sick pay are inadequate.
SpartanS034@reddit
Agreed. But I definitely think it's different to a donation straight to the NHS itself as it's so often portrayed as.
Dirtywelderboy@reddit
It basically is if it is covering a shortfall in wages
SpartanS034@reddit
Is that what it is?
Dirtywelderboy@reddit
As far as i am aware, like others have said it was for charities that support nhs staff. If you are donating to a charity that supports nhs staff because their wages are so bad then you are essentially paying the money to the nhs as it doesnt have to pay decent wages.
FatMartialArtist@reddit
Why do NHS Front line staff need a charity?
Or rather, why should they?
Mismanagement.
SpartanS034@reddit
Don't ask me. It wasn't my decision.
FatMartialArtist@reddit
Was your decision to call me misinformed, though.
SpartanS034@reddit
Maybe you weren't but if you knew the difference don't you think it's misleading to imply the money was to go directly to the NHS itself? To me that suggests it will be spent on care, equipment, medication etc.
FatMartialArtist@reddit
NHS front line staff are paid by the NHS budget.
And, if you actually look up where his funds went (the bits that actually did go to the NHs), you can see it clearly went into hospitals directly, not just staff. Wards were upgraded, IT equipment, shower rooms for staff, surgical equipment.
Sounds like the only misinformed person here is you, mate.
WalesnotWhales2@reddit
We could just fund the NHS properly so that staff can receive support.
SpartanS034@reddit
Sure. Let's do it!
_mister_pink_@reddit
I understand the counter point and the difference but I think people still think that front line staff shouldn’t need a charity to support them. The fact that they aren’t supported properly by the government is still a problem.
Hypselospinus@reddit
But he didn't pocket the lot. Every penny he raised went to charity. It's his daughter/granddaughter/whatever she is who is the absolute grifter.
Fair_Woodpecker_6088@reddit
You won’t get into Silicon Valley by being in smug mode though
FatMartialArtist@reddit
Calculators are always smug and they go there.
Tirandi@reddit
Except that's exactly what you are. Every penny he raised went to charity.
It's his family who are awful, not him.
No, just ignorance
FatMartialArtist@reddit
I never said he was awful.
Christonabikeman@reddit
I’ve always applied the same logic to Help for Heroes too. Not to mention the dangerous undercurrent of nationalism it helps weaponise.
Drink_Drugger@reddit
What have I missed now?
WalesnotWhales2@reddit
If anyone hasn't seen it there's a bong for Captain Tom here - https://twitter.com/OhBabyLetMegIn/status/1360208266307993601
I don't think it's for sale anymore.
BrotherNature93@reddit
Had me howling when I first got recommended the Captain Tom memorial bong, quality product I’m sure.
Mannerhymen@reddit
Love the union flag surrounded by "made in China", really epitomises modern Britain.
Old_Telephone_7587@reddit
To be honest I believed and still believe Captain Tom himself was just a decent bloke just trying to help. However his Family i had labbled as wrong ens from the start, you could almost see dollar signs flash up in there eyes like a old looney toons cartoon.
Ariadeyy@reddit
I don’t think anything was dodgey with Sir Tom but I didn’t like the curly haired daughter the first time I saw her elbow her way on screen.
Not at all surprised.
New-Fig8494@reddit
I'm in the same boat as OP.
Unhappy_Archer9483@reddit
You are cynical and coming on Reddit to do a "I told you so" to people who you didn't even say it to is childish.
Whole situation is a shit show
RyXzzor@reddit
The fact people found an old bloke walking around his garden before he pops his clogs something to behold and worthy of charity is mental.
SojournerInThisVale@reddit
Why? It was an expression of the old fashioned idea of doing what one could. An elderly man doing 100 laps around his ‘pretty large’ garden is a relatively big achievement for a man of his age. It was a thoroughly decent thing to do that he needn’t have done
gsej2@reddit
My cynicism isn't around him or his family, but the very strange idea that people want to give to a charity or some good cause but won't actually do it unless someone performs an unusual act first.
Liverspoon18@reddit
I remember seeing Wimbledon on TV (2021 it must have been) and Cpt. Tom’s daughter was one of the guests of honour. When the camera panned to her she really took it in, waving and smiling. After her, the camera showed one of the scientists that had engineered the Oxford/AZ, who just did the stereotypical British half-smile and nod.
After seeing this I was struck with a feeling that she just loved the limelight, and now that all of this is coming out, I do feel rather vindicated.
ScreamingPoo7@reddit
I actually feel bad about it, even though I was 'right' about so many things. Being the contrarian at the dinner table isn't fun, but it also isn't fun to watch the people you love get sucked into such a bullshit media spin.
louisbo12@reddit
You lot want a medal or something? If you were not vindicated in your beliefs, you’d sit there quietly fuming to yourselves because you’re the typical reddit contrarians who dislike anything popular in society.
Yes it went overboard and the family are scum. Congrats on winning what was essentially a mental bet.
SojournerInThisVale@reddit
What’s to be cynical about. It’s a generation divide thing. One was about a man doing what he saw was his bit for his country and then about his family seemingly taking advantage of it after his demise. It shouldn’t lead one to be cynical about Sir Tom himself
SouthernFailway@reddit
we never found out his best lap time
Independent-Chair-27@reddit
I think Captain Tom had pretty reasonable intentions. I don't think it was a plan from the start. It was a made for the GBeebies crowd, story. WW2 veteran and old white man.
I think his daughter can't see past the enormous amounts of money they have now earned from it and thinks some of it is hers.
A charity is actually a good money maker. Pay yourself a wage to administer a charity. You need premises etc
HarrisonAtArea51@reddit
I'm out of the loop, did something dodgy come to light about him like you said?
arielatreyu@reddit
So I lost friends and also had work colleagues stop talking to me as I was very cynical to begin with. They haven't said a word to me since. It's like they are in complete denial
Fun_Efficiency3097@reddit
Are you right so rarely that this stands out?
conscious_synthetic@reddit
Why did this get deleted?
audigex@reddit
I'm smug internally
I do find it frustrating, but I try to keep my "I told you so's" limited, because people get really arsey about it and I'm not willing to lose friends just to point out that they were wrong and have shit critical thinking skills, and it's not gonna make any difference next time I'm right anyway, they won't suddenly think" Oh, /u/audigex is always right about this stuff
So yeah, I just stay quiet, it's not worth it
CartmanConspiracy@reddit
Same as people who shouted and got angry for people who went to the Supermarket more than once a week.
beware_oftheleopard@reddit
Everyone I spoke with thought it was all a bit ITV and a load of old bollocks.
ellisellisrocks@reddit
I'm trying my best to say nothing but they know I'm smug deep down.
DeviousBeevious@reddit
Captain Tom was fine, it's his family that have tarnished his reputation.
whoops53@reddit
I thought it was a bit odd, but then considered the fact he was a brave old bean who grew up during worse times than us and survived. He seemed delighted with all the attention to be fair, and when he was hauled off abroad by his family I raised an eyebrow thinking "wtf...that wasn't his idea, surely". Then he died and all this came to light, so....
....I didn't clap either. Or bang pots and pans. I did let healthcare workers jump the queue though.
SpareUmbrella@reddit
Vindicated is a strong word.
I think it all got blown out of proportion, but I definitely had no ill-will for the man. However much the media latched onto it like he was some kind of modern day Vera Lynn, it seemed very clear to me Captain Tom was doing it for the right reasons.
There was always going to be some snake that tried to profit from the whole thing though.
Drewski811@reddit
Nothing wrong with Tom himself.
WalesnotWhales2@reddit
I made a joke saying how about getting my 86 year old gran with Alzheimer's to walk up and down the stairs to raise money for bin collections which was met with some nasty comments.
The point was we shouldn't rely on the mobility of those who are nearly dead to decide if services should get extra funding.
Many still don't understand this point.
ThaiFoodThaiFood@reddit
I don't bother expressing my cynicism, I never overtly express my opinion on things like this, just silently roll my eyes and ignore as best I can.
I just smile and nod when people inevitably flip-flop.
pencilrain99@reddit
She had to have learned her cuntish ways from someone, I've never seen any footage of him walking around the garden either just a few steps on the patio.
GammaPhonic@reddit
It was cynically minded though. Just because your baseless hunch turned out to be correct doesn’t mean it wasn’t baseless.
If you’d presented evidence and it was ignored, then you’d be owed an apology.
It’s fine to have a negative opinion based purely on speculation. And it’s also fine to challenge a negative opinion based purely on speculation. Neither of those things need to be apologised for.
Tacklestiffener@reddit
As soon as I heard they were setting up a separate charity I thought about massive lunch bills going on the expenses. Or a "fact finding" trip to Thailand or a "conference" in Hawaii.
360Saturn@reddit
Like so many things from during lockdown, it's cold comfort to be proven right to be cynical three years after the point at which it would have been any use.
AdSoft6392@reddit
Always a good feeling to be proven right