A review of "No Grid Survival Projects" by Major, Robinson, Davis, and Walton
Posted by pumpkinbeerman@reddit | preppers | View on Reddit | 72 comments
I've been seeing ads for this book everywhere. It seems to be the most heavily advertised book in this hobby I've seen, so I wanted to get it and post an honest review of the book for anyone looking at the $40 price tag. That's about as expensive as renting one of my college textbooks, so I'm assuming people want to know if it is worth the price, and how applicable it is.
The good: -the project instructions are very clear, and the authors are clearly better handymen than me. I am looking forward to starting some of the projects, it really feels like they put effort in to make sure the average joe can do these projects. -the pricing is by and large accurate. If there is a project listed for $100 you can find the part listed for the price. That being said, not every project has a price, and it would be nice to have seen more pricing options in there. -The solar power section, and really the whole "projects related to electricity" section, is very well written and breaks down a topic that is very intimidating to people without much electrical experience like myself. After reading it, I am confident in what I need to get and how to set up a small scale solar power station. -the medicinal herb section is very nice. Lots of options and redundancies in herbs listed, and as a prepper who focuses a lot on gardening, the info lined up with a lot of what I knew before reading the book.
The bad: -Holy damn do not make the canned Amish poor man's steak. The canning process described in the book is bluntly dangerous, and will make someone sick who uses it. Meat should never be canned with a water bath only. I assume this is common knowledge, but for a $40 book I would expect better. The rest of the food section is milquetoast at best, but nothing as egregious as this "canned" meat. -"The only 7 seeds you need to stockpile for a crisis" really hams home the point a poster made last week about people needing experience with the seeds they save up. Two of the recommended seeds were emmer wheat and amaranthe, with no information on threshing or winnowing to make the grains useable. Someone with little knowledge on gardening would be screwed following their garden practices, and anyone who preps for a garden really doesn't need to spend money on this book. -the book advertises reasonable cost setup for preppers. Then they advertise raised beds, one of the most expensive ways to get into gardening. I would have liked to see a section that summarized some other no till methods, or even how to till a garden for use. It's not like SHTF tilling is going to be the worst thing to go down. -The book makes some bold claims about herbal remedies. I love herbal and natural remedies wherever possible as much as the next guy, but some things need medicine. That's why we prepare. The book talks about inserting a garlic clove into your hoo hah to treat a yeast infection in page 269. I mean, SHTF it might work. Or you can keep antifungal in your first aid kit.
The ugly: The typos and poor formatting that are present through the entire book makes me believe they never put this before an editor, and if they did, that editor really needs to find a new line of work. Again, I would expect better from a $40 book.
The projects are really cool, and I'm looking forward to piddling around the garage to do them and maybe get a little more prepared if they work. The rainwater collection system and biogas factory are first on my list, because they look cool.
Overall, I would not recommend buying this book as part of a prep unless you like the look of the projects. The price point is too high for the quality and effort of over half the book. Let me know if you agree or disagree.
overratedwalrus@reddit
I knew this was an AI book the moment it was out everywhere. Definitely gov opp. Dont buy it. Research the people whp write the boks - most of then are fake
TieDomi28-canada@reddit
Is there abook u would recommend?
Fun-Algae1977@reddit
Thanks for such an in depth review, has made my decision to not buy easier as the food and garden side of it is something I'd like good knowledges information on 🍻
InspectorBean@reddit
Dear all,
Instead of this book. Which do you all recommend getting?
Would love to have a survival book like this for when something unforeseen will happen to prepare.
Just became parents last week and this troubles my mind alot lately.
blu91rs@reddit
I came here looking for a review on this book, and another one called “The Lost Ways”. I found a review on The Lost Ways, as I was skeptical that this book as well as that one were the same exact price and had a similar looking website. I will be ordering instead, “Country Living” and “Back to Basics”. Link for reviews.
https://commonsensehome.com/best-homesteading-books/
TrendyPistol@reddit
"Country Living" and "Back to Basics" seem great!! But what about books containing the electricity side of survival? I do think it would be helpful to have a manual for building your own solar panel and things of the like.
huberkenobi@reddit
I also wanna know this part
InspectorBean@reddit
Many thanks for your message.
Will look into this.
TechDante@reddit
Here for this question too
Horror_Young_4540@reddit
I have the pdf if anyone needs it its free
Ok-Sparky-Down@reddit
love4fun4life@gmail.com if you could. Thx dude greatly appreciated!
Odd_Froyo_5605@reddit
Hi! can you send me this pdf? And others you might have? pankapustaa2@gmail.com <3
Horror_Young_4540@reddit
Let me know when u get it ?
Upper-Ree@reddit
I would also love to get the pdf. please.
therealreereej@gmail.com
Horror_Young_4540@reddit
Did u get the pdf?
Horror_Young_4540@reddit
Check your email i used maildrop because it was large file … please let me know when you recieve
shredder2010@reddit
Id love to get that. If you'd be so kind.
Horror_Young_4540@reddit
I have the pdf i can email it i dont know how to send it here
deepfriedsounds@reddit
Can you send me the PDF for "No Grid Living" ? Thank you
zean789@gmail.com
Still-Literature--@reddit
Yes please 🙏🏽 DM me?
doloreschiller@reddit
Yes please!
FunnyTurtleRunner@reddit
I just saw an add for this book today. Thank you redditors for discouraging me to buy or waste my thoughts on this book.
The knowledge for survival will also be geography and culture(long practiced, effective ways) specific…
All the best to everyone whose anxiety was triggered.
pumpkinbeerman@reddit (OP)
Since somebody keeps making comments about "what other books do you recommend " to this year old fucking thread:
The casual peppers beginner guide to the apocalypse
When there is no doctor
A local foraging book (with practice and if possible a local guide)
A local medicinal plants guide
This subreddit
Common sense
Basic Internet research
Literally anything else, this author just threw some stuff together and can't take basic criticism. I tried to give it some positives but the constant notifications are pissing me off and show me this book is just a grift to get preppers to spend money on useless information. Stay safe, and make sure you have some informational literacy and preparedness because this author is counting on you not having any.
7-grand-loves@reddit
What survival grid book do you recommend
Ok_Vacation4752@reddit
Points all well taken and I appreciate you taking the time to write this. For the record though, a garlic clove up the snatch absolutely cures a yeast infection fast. I had to use it in a pinch once in a very remote part of Argentina. What’s the difference between shoving a monistat pod up there and a clove?
Motor-Load-1477@reddit
how about uti?
Rocknrazrbld@reddit
Tell me you don't know female anatomy without telling me you don't know female anatomy. Pee comes our of the Urethra, not the vagina. They are two different holes in the body.
TwoPercentCherry@reddit
I mean, it's technically possible? Adding anything to the general groin area increases the likelihood. But just practice good hygiene and I highly doubt it'd do anything
HamptonSt1722@reddit
To all the reviewers -- if this book is bad, then what do you recommend? I see none mentioned.
If you're such an expert on what's bad, the least you could do is recommend what is good! IMHO.
Perfect_Tadpole2922@reddit
Just out of curiosity who wrote this book and is it from China??? I've seen a few that In fact were from China.... That would explain some of the grain info being kinda vague as the majority of people that live in the rural areas of China already posses these skills. It would also explain the miss spelling in the book.🤔
LimeDismal6150@reddit
u/pumpkinbeerman - BRILLIANT review, thank you. Reddit literally was the next result under amazon ..... so here I am. I am a total newb in both areas, and so your review is wildly beneficial.
Do you have any books you do suggest that are good to start with - for someone who can only really cook ad maybe make a fire... no guarantees to the safety of said fire once made lol.
Would love to hear if there are any suggestions on better options?
Will be doing my own digging too, thank you
TechDante@reddit
This book seams like one of those 8millon woodworking plans for ÂŁ50 scams that pop up on my feed every now and again. It's the same as the the home apothecary books that keep getting pushed to me. Can anyone recommend books that actually do have decent info. I already have the book " the knowledge" which is quite good altho very broard and the ball Mason jar canning book. I'm mainly looking for one's about generators but any would be useful
slinkimalinki@reddit
If the food advice is dangerous to health, you should tell the publisher because they ought to recall that book.
Moist-Nebula-7918@reddit
Going to burst your bubble here. My Amish neighbors ALL waterbath can their food. There IS a procedure that needs to be followed for waterbath canning. Not a single person in their community has died from this practice.Â
Far_Alarm5887@reddit
I read else where that when waterbath canning meat you should add vinegar to up the acidity for acceptable water bath results!
thebeakman@reddit
DO NOT DO THIS. Waterbath is never 100% safe, even with vinegar. You can add vinegar to some things like salsa to make them last longer/be safer, but not meat.
This is coming from a multi-generational beef farmer. PRESSURE CAN only for meat!!!!
Far_Alarm5887@reddit
Thank you for responding.I did read other posters saying it’s precarious!
EarlyJackfruit4418@reddit
It's all about Ph of your canned food. If the ph is high enough, you can water bath can anything. Getting the ph high enough is the trick, and I don't know if any reliable way to guarantee ph levels that are home diy priced.
PH strips are NOT accurate enough for this kind of thing.
KountryKrone@reddit
I think that the publisher, Global Brother SRL, is a self-publishing company. They basically print and sell the books and take a chunk of the sales. They are also based in Romania, so suing them would be a challenge. :(
Brick-237@reddit
Plus you're too dead from the Amish poor man's steak to find an attorney.
ImaginationFew7007@reddit
This is ridiculous y’all. Do some actual research before jumping all over this book. It’s completely safe and COMMON PRACTICE to waterbath meat. Y’all get a gd grip.Â
Trench_Marshmallow@reddit
Yep, you right. Idk why and whom all these canning experts trying to convince, but it's a really common practice, for example, for post-soviet countries to preserve meat like that. But for chopped beef pieces boiling time is 5-6 hours usually. Ofc with autoclave you can make it quicker, and local experts will be satisfied. And for experts who will jump all over my comment: don't forget you can face botulism even with industrially processed canned meat, so high pressure is not a solution.
Salty_Idealist@reddit
No the fuck it is not. Water bath is fine for acidic foods but you’re asking for food poisoning water bathing meats or many vegetables. Those need pressure canning.
pumpkinbeerman@reddit (OP)
Ohh, account made yesterday with no karma. Did you make this account specifically to comment on this post?
WildImpact158@reddit
lol
NervousCosmos@reddit
I’m a little late to this discussion but I came here because I searched on Google about why the Amish ways book, the lost ways, this one and another all have identical prices and websites. My conclusion (assumption) was that they’re written by AI and then an actor or spokesperson is appointed to market the book as their “work” …. I felt a little paranoid at first but now that I’ve lined up all the books and their websites (thanks to this post) it seems that it is either scavenged writing or AI nonsense and I shouldn’t waste my money.
I’m looking for good step by step instructions on how to source/ store water and how to build my own solar panels (or maybe some form of physical cycle that could power something, a bike etc) but it seems like I’m gonna have to do it the regular way- learn about it haha.
Thanks for taking one for the team!
simplylittlebird@reddit
I came looking for this information because so often it seems new "books", especially these kind of reference books, are "written" by AI and I wanted to know what a REAL person thought! Do you have any book or author recs? We're not preppers, but what interested me was the "no grid" generator, stand alone solar panel, and the sink/ toilet tank project.
ctinalol@reddit
Do you have any alternative prep book recommendations???
Commercial_Rub_6389@reddit
Ok, so as far as water bathing meat, apparently in order to destroy the botulism SPORES, you need to get the product to 240-250°F, which would require pressure canning. If for whatever reason you are unable to do that, boiling the product after opening and before eating for at least 5 -10 minutes (10 minutes for high elevations) will destroy the TOXINS
ImaginationFew7007@reddit
Well it’d be great for you to get your info right before attacking the author of the book. You 100% can can meat in a water bath canner. Please do your actual real research prior to trying to drag someone through the mud. If you’re even in that book being self sufficient has gotta be at minimum an interest. There’s gotta be some insecurity about trusting your government that’s fine. But that being said, again do your research. The Amish and every other country have been waterbathing meat since we started canning. So while I imagine your intentions are good, you’re misinformed. As far as the herbal remedy you had an issue with. That is also a very common/well known cure in the natural community. Again. Do your actual research prior to dragging people. Anyone who knows anything about any of this knows this stuff. Come on man.
pumpkinbeerman@reddit (OP)
https://ucanr.edu/sites/camasterfoodpreservers/files/341238.pdf
On canning meat
https://www.goodrx.com/conditions/yeast-infection/use-garlic-for-yeast-infection
On the garlic in the hoo hah.
Took me literally 2 minutes. I am far from misinformed on these topics, homesteading has been a big part of my life for years. If you want to water bath can some meat that's your choice, the risks have been well studied and published. Modern food safety and knowledge is the reason for a decrease in foodborne illnesses, that argument that "they did this since we started canning" purposely ignores just how sick people would get from improperly preserved foods in the past.
Upstairs-Focus2591@reddit
JUNK JUNK JUNK you can get most of the info from a simple internet search for alot less money. save your money.
Gbcrew@reddit
Then what would you recommend.
catmarch4@reddit
Do you have a recommendation for a different book covering these processes?
Icy_Pie3938@reddit
It’s on tiktok shop for like £8.99 heads up anyone wanting to buy it. 🫶🏻
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DisastrousBeautiful9@reddit
Do you have a recommendation for another prepped book that you do like better than this one?
neofrogs@reddit
Thanks for this, having these sorts of books on my shelves brings peace of mind- would love to hear any suggestions to add to my collection of descents ones :)
JonNovaSilvson@reddit
Is there a better book that you recommend?
paracelsus53@reddit
" Two of the recommended seeds were emmer wheat and amaranthe, with no information on threshing or winnowing to make the grains useable."
If you want to grow wheat, you need horses to plow. You cannot plow by human power. Then harvesting and winnowing. And if you need horses, you need to grow hay to feed them in the winter. Horses aren't called "hay burners" for nothing. This is just a huge fail. A 19th-century farm is a major endeavor that requires an extended family willing and able to work and occasional added labor during planting and harvest. All that and nobody needs bread to live.
pumpkinbeerman@reddit (OP)
Good point, I didn't even think of the plowing part. I mean, I guess you could grow some in a raised bed. A lot of work and space for half a loaf though lmao.
I'll stick with my three sisters and friends personally
mjsante@reddit
Amaranth is useful - leaves are edible too & provides lysine. Totally agree about wheat tho! And appreciate the book review & cautions
paracelsus53@reddit
Or if people want starch, they can grow potatoes. Easy, productive, and no horses necessary. Plus pretty much everyone loves them and they are gluten free. :)
pumpkinbeerman@reddit (OP)
And potatoes are so easy! Next year I'm going to try and start another Ruth Stout field with them, just mow the grass real low, put the seed potatoes in, and cover it with hay. People get amazing results with it.
DisastrousRent3479@reddit
Greatly appreciate the review. I have been wondering if it was worth the money. Is anything out there with the same info, safer, that is more cost effective?
AKCzech@reddit
You would be much better off getting Emery's "Country Living", instead of the Lost Ways book. Don't ask me how I know, but the "author" and of the Lost Ways book, and quite a few others, (websites also), is basically a marketer. They pay for articles written by others with unknown levels of experience, but I've seen some of the articles that are absolute trash, yet are supposedly written by "advanced" or "experienced" folk. You'd probably be surprised by the number of articles they're continuously asking for, from creative writers.
In the end, the book might be worth the money to some, but you can get far better information from the 'net - but you'll have to do your homework. Having enough knowledge to identify the pearls in the crap simply takes time and experience. There are no free rides, unfortunately.
If you're looking for one basic book that covers simple living, homestead tech, grid down food production, etc - then get Emery's book. Past that, for other subjects, you'll have to go down a path of getting more specialized books, spending time in forums, and doing activities in RL.
Good luck on your journey, it's worth it as long as you don't go overboard.
Desperate-Space1988@reddit
I recently picked up a fantastic farm DIY guide. What drew me in were the clear instructions with material lists and step-by-step photos for every project. It's perfect for all skill levels and a great way to get the kids involved in some hands-on engineering projects.
KountryKrone@reddit
Those were my thoughts also. Some interesting projects, but some of the suggestions are dangerous. There is a project about putting a sink above your toilet tank. Not a bad project, but who wants to wash their hands in cold water? Also, they say it won't harm your toilet and it won't, but it will let soap scum build up in your tank and that is NOT a good thing.
newarkdanny@reddit
Excellent write up, thanks.
Endmedic@reddit
Thanks! Have seen the ads quite a bit and saved it in my Amazon cart. Never pulled the trigger cause pricey! I Imagine I already have the useful parts in other books that weren’t so much.
Pontiacsentinel@reddit
Please share this online where you bought the book as a service to others, it sounds awful.