Who do you think killed Jill Dando and do you think it will ever be solved?

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ExcellentAdvance5089@reddit

Nope. Jimmy saville connection. She was rumoured the be trying to expose a pedophile ring being ran at the BBC and mentioned high profile celebrities involved.

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Twinkubusz@reddit

Only incredibly gullible people believe this

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Twinkubuss@reddit

And in the decades since, there have been 0 witnesses or documents discovered backing that up?

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WonderfulHotel2590@reddit

I don’t agree

Only 1 shot fired + shell casing left at scene + Broad daylight in a busy London suburb

Screams sloppy & opportunistic to me

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I thought this too until I read Jill Dando's Wiki. They mention the possibility of a "hard contact execution" where a professional will put the gun up to the body and use it to silence the shot. It's mentioned almost no one heard the shot and a silencer is super rare. So either the low-iq weirdo got super lucky or it was done by a pro.

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DJL1964@reddit

what do you mean a silencer is super rare?

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reddit_faa7777@reddit

Or they were confident-enough and wanted to send a message?

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Twinkubuss@reddit

This is absolute fantasy land.

You think criminals in the business of carrying out professional hits are trying to make it riskier to 'send a message'?

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ExcellentAdvance5089@reddit

Ermmm if it was a criminal hit then it worked. They were never caught. So you saying it couldn't be a professional hit because they made it easy to get caught, clearly not because nobody was ever caught for it. I believe Jimmy saville put a hit on her as she was trying to expose a pedophile ring being ran at the bbc. She had reported it to the BBC in the mid nineties and nothing was done about it.

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Puzzled-Night-2590@reddit

If nothing was done about it, why would he have her killed?

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ExcellentAdvance5089@reddit

Let's remember who Jill Dando was, she was seen as the people's sweetheart news presenter. Many compared her to princess Diana, they trusted her completely. Her exposing this would have destroyed Saville because people trusted Jill completely. Just like they trusted Diana.

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Puzzled-Night-2590@reddit

Go and read the piece by Nick Ross, it's very informative. It really puts the spotlight on who it actually should be on, Barry George. All the others theories are just what they are, made up theories with no shred of evidence attached to them at all.

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ExcellentAdvance5089@reddit

And what you are saying is a theory. It cannot be proven in a court of law.

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Puzzled-Night-2590@reddit

What do you mean what I'm saying is a theory? Which part of what I'm saying is a theory and cannot be proven in a court of law?

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Round-Efficiency8393@reddit

The part that cannot be proven in a court of law is the part that wasn’t proven in a court of law, mainly that it is no more likely that the FDR came from a gun fired by George than another source. FDR particles are not distinctive enough to be used as evidence and can potentially be found in the clothing of 1 out of 100 people.

Personally I do think George may be responsible but that does not amount to guilty beyond reasonable doubt which is the standard jurors should adhere to for a guilty verdict.

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Puzzled-Night-2590@reddit

It actually was proven in a court of law though, that's where you're wrong. George was convicted with that evidence central to the conviction. He was acquitted in the retrial years later.

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ExcellentAdvance5089@reddit

If there is evidence to convict Barry George he would be convicted. Has the killer of Jill Dando been caught and convicted? I know Barry George was convicted but then exonerated. The killer of Jill Dando has not been caught and convicted. There is reasonable doubt that Barry George did it. Do you know what reasonable doubt means?

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Puzzled-Night-2590@reddit

Well he was convicted in a court of law. As I've stated, he was exonerated on the premise of chance & probability which again is utterly ridiculous. They got it totally wrong, thought about it the wrong way. As I said, even the 'expert' used to prove the cross contamination theory has openly stated she was wrong about what she said giving evidence. This is all factual. I'm not saying it's an open & shut case but Barry George is a bloody strong candidate based on a lot of circumstantial evidence and 1 piece of crucial physical evidence that should never have been overturned how it was in court, people involved have said as much now.

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ExcellentAdvance5089@reddit

Because the BBC did nothing about it, but she was a world famous journalist and TV presenter. She was actively trying to expose it.

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Puzzled-Night-2590@reddit

She wasn't though. I've read a detailed piece by Nick Ross who said she wasn't and he said the police actively looked into the Serbian links and came up with absolutely nothing. It's just wild speculation, Barry George did it. He had that speck of gun powder residue in his pocket, the piece by Nick Ross explores that and kinda dispels the fact it could have been passed there as a myth and hugely unlikely.

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ExcellentAdvance5089@reddit

Yes this is just speculation. This case was never solved. Everything is merely speculation. Everything you just stated is also speculation. It cannot be proved in a court of law.

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Puzzled-Night-2590@reddit

No actually it's not speculation that Barry George had a speck of gun powder residue in his coat pocket from the scene, that matched the same residue found on Jill's hair and clothes, that is factual evidence and it was proved in a court of law when he was convicted. The fact that it was overturned on appeal is utterly preposterous and Nick Ross in his piece revisits this fact and proves that it was ridiculous to overturn it. One of the experts who was used to prove the possibility of cross contamination has openly said in an interview now that she would change what she said. Read the piece and come back to me.

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ExcellentAdvance5089@reddit

Also, I have no desire to listen to the testimony of somebody who goes into a court of law, testifies on something like this, then years later flip flops and says "I wouldn't testify that now". That merely proves that person should NEVER testify in a court of law ever again because they are not to be trusted.

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Puzzled-Night-2590@reddit

Exactly right and this persons' evidence was crucial to overturning the conviction of Barry George. I'll say again, she openly admits she was wrong about her theory. Nick Ross's piece proves it was bull shit.

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ExcellentAdvance5089@reddit

Yes, I'm sure Nicks piece does prove it... In your mind. We can agree to disagree. Is that enough for you? Or do you want to try to beat me over my head with your opinion until I say "you are right"? Because you will not get that.

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Puzzled-Night-2590@reddit

Put it this way, there was 1 speck of residue in Barry George's pocket, just 1 tiny speck, the smallest detectable amount. Experts have since proved that it would have been impossible to plant or transfer that tiny amount, completely impossible even if you wanted to frame someone etc.

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ExcellentAdvance5089@reddit

Yes you have already said all this. We can agree to disagree, no?

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Puzzled-Night-2590@reddit

This is part of the piece:-

But you don’t need to take my word – or my calculations – for it. Even the forensic team whose evidence led to the acquittal acknowledge their evidence may have been misunderstood. The scientist Robin Keely died in 2010 but his equally expert colleague, Angela Shaw, accepts that their own estimates could be considered even more damning than mine. At the time of the appeal they reckoned there was a one in a hundred chance the particle could have got into the pocket through incidental contamination. All it needed was for Orlando Pownall, QC for the prosecution, to ask the obvious question: “Are you saying there is a 99% chance that it did not get there by accident?”. Ms Shaw concedes she would have answered ‘yes’.

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anubis_81@reddit

IMO opinion I lean more towards George being guilty after reading Ross' piece. The only thing I find curious is what Noel 'Razor' Smith had to say about all of this.

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Puzzled-Night-2590@reddit

Course you can think what you want. I'm just saying you voiced your opinion so read Nick Ross's piece I think you'll find it very interesting. It might change your view.

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ExcellentAdvance5089@reddit

We can agree to disagree.

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Puzzled-Night-2590@reddit

Because I've provided hard evidence and you've provided none. You need to read more into it, how George was exonerated and how it was totally ridiculous. It proves he almost certainly did it if so in my eyes as the only way that speck of gun powder residue could have got there was when he shot the gun against Jill's head. No brainer.

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ExcellentAdvance5089@reddit

😂 hard evidence? That is inadmissible in a court of law? The evidence you are giving is from a person who can't make up their mind. A person who helped exonerate Barry, and then flip flopped. And what made her change her mind? As far as I am aware, no new evidence or update in forensic analysis. Simply just a change of her mind. Don't get a big head 😂 You have proved nothing.

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reddit_faa7777@reddit

Where did I say it was "criminals"?

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Twinkubuss@reddit

...that's the whole subject of the comment thread

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reddit_faa7777@reddit

No it's not. The original comment says "professional hit"

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Twinkubuss@reddit

A professional hit would be done by criminals, yeah

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reddit_faa7777@reddit

Before you label people's comments "fantasy" have a think about any false assumptions you're unaware you're making. Not all professional hits are done by criminals.

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Twinkubuss@reddit

...well yes they are, though. It wouldn't be a 'professional hit' if they just got some bloke who'd worked in an office his whole life to go do it

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Rick-Dastardly@reddit

They should make a comedy drama about an amateur hitman

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Blood_Incantation@reddit

Are you 'avin a laff?

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bobblebob100@reddit

From what i could gather she rarely goes to her house/flat there. And the walk deom her car to the flat is about 10 seconds. Either someone got very lucky or they knew she was going to be there

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kaitek78@reddit

Just seems way more speculative (if exciting) than the convicted rapist stalker living around the corner surrounded by newspaper cuttings of Jill Dando, and who had a gun that matched that used in the crime. Really feel like a lot of his stuff got brushed over towards the end of the documentary, because they kind of played into the 'wrongfully accused' narrative, which felt utterly macabre to me.

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Environmental-Win778@reddit

Your ignorance is outstanding. He wasn't a rapist (attempted). He wasn't "surrounded" by newspaper cuttings of JD at all. He hoarded newspapers that (not surprisingly for the time) had lots of articles about Dando,like it had loads of articles about other female celebs that George didn't kill either 🙄

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luniversellearagne@reddit

This aged poorly https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/clyqwx1yp8po.amp

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Starlightmoonshine12@reddit

I agree, I hated how so many people referred to him as a harmless eccentric as if he didn’t have proof and convictions of SA and stalking

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Maxild212@reddit

Barry Georg killed Jill Dando.

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Maxild212@reddit

And Ian Bailey killed Sophie Toscan du Plantier.

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bobblebob100@reddit

Would a professional hitman do it in broad daylight tho? I dunno maybe they would, but just seems more risky

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ExcellentAdvance5089@reddit

Yes. Those in the industry heard the rumours that Jill was killed for attempting to expose pedophillia rings at the BBC and Jimmy saville. This hit let everybody know to not try and expose them or the same will happen to them.

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Ok-Plankton9215@reddit

Yes even the New York Mafia shot people in restaurants in broad daylight.

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Remomain1859@reddit

If anything yes...they know what their doing and how to get away. I doubt Barry would have the balls and confidence to do that during the day. If you know what your doing and are good at it, you'll do it anytime of the day.

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Best_Cry9058@reddit

A while ago a dutch TV-Presentator was killed in broad daylight in the middle of a busy city. His name was Peter R de Vries. And he was killed by Mocro-Maffia. Also to send a message to others who got in their way: watch yourself because we are not afraid of anything or this will happen to you anywhere and anytime of the day.

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salteddiamond@reddit

To shock people

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NewToIceHockey@reddit

No professional would use a gun like that and fire ONE shot

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Environmental-Win778@reddit

One shot is all that was necessary dumb dumb from a pro

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NewToIceHockey@reddit

Sorry genius expert on contract murder

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Ok-Plankton9215@reddit

Most professional hits are 1 or 2 shots, no more. The journalist who did time in prison even said at the end theirs talks about someone from the underworld who did it and I don’t know if you know this but I’ve done years in prison myself and the Serbian crime network runs deep and they’re very organised, even here in Australia. I had multiple Serbian associates in prison that were part of major syndicates.

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Maxild212@reddit

Barry Georg killed Jill Dando and Ian Bailey killed Sophie Toscan du Plantier. Barry Georg even attempted to kill Princess Diana, but she ended up being assassinated, by western Intelligence.

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Environmental-Win778@reddit

You're a conspiracy theory nut job. He didn't attempt to kill Diana (where do you even get that from?) And she wasn't assassinated. Hope you've found a comfortable padded cell since this was posted.

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TheUpIsJig@reddit

The bit that leans towards that is the traffic warden who spotted a suspicious vehicle which was then picked up by CCTV but has never been traced.

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Agreeable-Dinner@reddit

Agree, I think she knew something someone didn't want sharing.

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Throwmeaway20somting@reddit

But it makes no sense. She was the presenter of the show. Sure she was involved in some research but all information was shared with a very large number of people, across Crimewatch's staff.

Crimewatch isn't just a TV version of a paper where you can write to the Editor or single out a contributing writer.

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bluechrispin@reddit

It sends a message, if we can do this to someone high profile what about you...

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Manwelio@reddit

So they’re gonna what? Stop presenting news?

If you do some high-profile thing it’s usually attached to a warning or a request. There was no threat to cease their work and no one else had it happen to them.

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BaseballEnough@reddit

There were a few other BBC presenters and other high profile people who received letters containing death threats shortly before this murder. A similar one was sent to Jill Dando. Some of these people were given police security for a while. Alice Beer (another presenter ) received a letter very close to the time Jill received hers. She has spoken in interviews on her frustration that police did not follow up properly on this angle after Jill died.

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Striking-Life-704@reddit (OP)

And the thing about it being linked to her involvement with Crimewatch just makes no sense. How many years was the show still going even after her death and no other presenter was killed.

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Intelligent-Salt-404@reddit

She did, and she told the wrong person 48 hours before she was murdered.

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themisanthrope117@reddit

Same people that covered up for jimmy saville and andrew

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Prestigious-Area2414@reddit

I don't understand why Barry George gets to be a free man. He obviously killed Jill Dando but gets to be a free man - then, receives compensation for wrongful imprisonment! There's definitely something wrong with the system!

He's also been in court multiple times for rapes and has dark, shady behavior, has shown obsessive behavior toward people. He was as a messenger at BBC Television Centre where Dando was. What more does one need to know that he did it and should have to do the time for it!

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Lucky-Ant-3528@reddit

I think it's ex-boyfriend's. They are all spooky. One an ex gamekeeper, one she lent money to, one as cold as ice.

Like the Claudia Lawrence case, there is no evidence, and someone was employed to do the bump off.

Same/similar.

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izabees@reddit

Serbians… too close to the NATO bombing to be a coincidence.

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Cherrybaby2025@reddit

Rubbish. How often are reporters bumped of because they're reporting . Never

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Manwelio@reddit

Or precisely a coincidence just because it was the same week. A butterfly flaps its wings in Central Park and it rains in London?

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ghold71@reddit

It was a professional hit. And if you knew the reason why, you would know who did it. That's what the ex-con on the inside said. Personally, I'd be looking at Bob Wheaton, a hell of a lot closer. Most women are killed by someone they know He was an ex-boyfriend He was known to be controlling In the documentary, he seems very narcissistic In the documentary, he is very eager to point out every possible theory except himself As he himself said, he had plenty of money His ex had announced she was getting married later that year. Classic if I can't have you No one can scenario. It lines up with what the ex-com said

I'd definitely look into him more

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Cherrybaby2025@reddit

I absolutely agree. Thought he was so shifty and unpleasant

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Plus_Buddy4107@reddit

This is why some people shouldn’t watch true crime

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Obvious-Ad-7217@reddit

the way the ex criminal on the netflix show said i cant tell you why it was done because then you'll know who did it.. interesting!

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reddit_faa7777@reddit

Who do you reckon he was referring to?

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jazzyx26@reddit

Just watched the documentary. What if the uncovering pedophile theory is true buthad to do with Prince Andrew. "It is not who you think" seems to make sense in that case.

Making it look "unprofessional" deliberately because they wanted to make it seem like a loner had done it.

I also believe the Serbian connection theory though.

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reddit_faa7777@reddit

So they kill Britain's most-popular TV presenter..... but leave Virginia (?) to tell her story and he gets in trouble anyway?

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jazzyx26@reddit

Virginia Giuffre’s father: My daughter did not die by suicide https://share.google/FQ3Th09tNBqRsTJ6X

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Obvious-Ad-7217@reddit

Literally no idea. What do you think?

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bigdog94_10@reddit

He was an absolute wannabe and a spoofer.

I got the impression that he simply has his own theory like everyone else does. I wouldn't place any greater weight on it just because he sounds 'ard and done time.

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nmrb190@reddit

Yeah I don’t get how he gets away with saying that…….. so must be talking absolute shit

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ljm3003@reddit

I didn’t believe him for a second, he’s saying that for attention.

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deadcharliebrown1@reddit

She was killed because she was going to expose the elites, and that Jimmy Savile sourced children for high society

FACT.

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No-Chair-8625@reddit

Errrr sorry but it's on a fact if you can prove it. With facts. So what ones do you have?

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robertodurian@reddit

I still think Barry George did it. He had a history of violence against women. He often beat & raped his wife. Neighbours called the police on him several times. He was into guns, he had posters of Dando on his walls at home and posed next to them holding a gun. He was a fantasist who posed as a policeman, pretended to be in the SAS, pretended to be Freddie Mercury’s cousin, and would often approach women in the street to ask their address. He also lived close to Dando.

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OhHiFelicia@reddit

The guy is seriously mentally deficient. Have you seen his flat? There is no way he did it without leaving any trace evidence. Had he continued with his lifestyle and behaviour, he would undoubtedly have served prison time for his acts, but I have a very hard time believing he could plan an execution and going through with it so smoothly. The single shot to the head was not his style, he would have been more frantic and more violent. From what I've learnt, he was a horrible man, a violent pervert and fantasist, but there is no evidence he is a murderer.

He did not have posters of Jill Dando. He had a wall of photographs he had taken of women, and some of those photos were of his TV with female celebrities, none of which were Jill. He did have newspaper articles of Jill Dando, but he was a prolific horder, I suspect he had piles of newspapers.

I am in no way saying George was a nice guy, I personally believe he belonged in prison, and his incarnation saved women from his perverse actions, but not all sex offenders go on to murder. There were many, many things wrong with Barry George's behaviour, but the police majorly bungled this case and should never have stopped investing. This case needs reopening with a fresh task force.

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dementedpresident@reddit

But he did leave evidence. The clothing he wore on that day had gu shot residue of the same composition on the residue found on Dando

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Puzzled-Night-2590@reddit

Would have been inadmissible evidence as it could have been transferred from officers so it's not a solid piece of evidence unfortunately.

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Environmental-Win778@reddit

Contaminated microscopic residue

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AGW2@reddit

He did not have a wall of photographs - you are confusing the wall of undeveloped photos used for the Netflix documentary.

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Manwelio@reddit

Who says execution? He could have gone up to her opportunistically hoping to push her into her home but she didn’t open the door before he grabbed her. It’s clear that she was physically accosted, she had bruising on her arm, and then was on the ground and shot with the gun pushed against her head. That’s not a profesional hit. It could have been an accident that the gun went off instead of just used to get the victim to do what they want. It was also clear the gun had been modified because of the ballistic info.

Barry George easily has a background that fits this kind of crime. Sometimes crime isn’t smart it’s just lucky that evidence isn’t there.

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rusty_croissant@reddit

Does the opportunist take really make sense though? She didn’t spend much time at that house. The day she happened to go home, pretty randomly to pick up a fax, he happened to be walking by with a loaded, modified 9mm pistol?

Neighbours also supposedly heard her scream, but couldn’t hear the shot from a pistol both modified and wielded by a man on the border of having a severe mental handicap?

All the signs prior to the event build him to be someone capable of this, but the execution of the attack and the lack of resulting evidence make me think that he just couldn’t have done this…

The physical altercation makes me think that someone who knew how to operate that kind of weapon positioned her such as to reduce the resulting GSR and blood spatter.

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Manwelio@reddit

Yeah, it does, because it was opportunistic. Some rando walking down the road doesn’t know her schedule. It’s wrong place wrong time. Happens all the time.

What does mental handicap have to do with people who didn’t hear a gunshot?

It was deemed not a proper handgun but a starter pistol. And having a mental handicap doesn’t preclude his ability to have endless magazines and books on guns that would lead to him tinkering with a weapon. Moreover, it’s assumed that the muzzle of the gun pressed right to her head may have actually prevented much of a sound in the same way a pillow can do the same.

A lack of evidence doesn’t equal mastermind. It just means a lack of evidence.

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LishaCroft@reddit

People can't accept that random acts happen, so they turn to conspiracy to feel a sense of control in an incontrollable world. Barry George is the guy. He's got the history, the access, and the residue in his coat. I'm sure it was an accident as you described, but he definitely did it.

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notsure05@reddit

Please stop with this insane rhetoric that this man was too dumb to do what he did. Does no one remember the guy who shot John Lennon? Or the guy who shot the American idol star? Or the woman who shot Selena? It actually makes complete sense he would shoot Jill

Wrong wrong wrong. Firstly, he had a year to dispose of evidence. Secondly, hoarding and lack of cleanliness don’t equate to him not being able to commit this crime. Seriously, where is this image of him being an innocent silly dolt coming from? The man had a history of stalking, rape, physical assault, and was quite smart given he was able to make it onto royal grounds and obtain a real police officers license

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hunterfam55@reddit

All the evidence is there apart from placing him at the crime scene, i believe it was him, someone would have spoken by now if more people were involved, only he knows the truth.

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Environmental-Win778@reddit

Er,ZERO evidence

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Ok-Plankton9215@reddit

Did you not hear the journalist at the end who served prison time? He said the underworld speak about who did it still but nobody is going to come forward and snitch.

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Non-Combatant@reddit

All the evidence is there apart from placing him at the crime scene

I believe the reason he was acquitted is that all the evidence they actually had on him was circumstantial at best.

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Environmental-Win778@reddit

He absolutely had no literature at all about Dando, let alone posters. Where do you find this rubbish?

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Obvious-Ad-7217@reddit

It's weird how he pretended to not know of her. Where did you find the info on his treatment of his wife? The doc didnt even mention he was married

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robertodurian@reddit

He married a Japanese woman for a visa. She wanted to stay in the Uk. I watched a YouTube doc about it. She said he became abusive early on in the relationship. Neighbours would hear him beating her and would call the police. He demanded sex a lot and when she don’t want it he raped her. He is a total scumbag. I don’t know if he murdered Jill Dando but he’s a pretty good candidate.

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Obvious-Ad-7217@reddit

after reading this: https://www.nickross.com/who-killed-jill-dando/ im more convinced he probably did do it.

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nutsbonkers@reddit

Holy balls. He definitely fucking did it. The actual odds painstakingly detailed here make it obvious that he did. Even on the extremely unlikely off chance that he didn't, he deserved to be in jail for a lot longer.

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Beccsleek@reddit

Wow, thanks for sharing this link. Really informative and compelling read. (The understandably lengthy statistics portion lost me at times - my brain is better wired to words than numbers - but in sum I found it impressively factual and unbiased in presentation.) Thanks again!

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JanisIansChestHair@reddit

I think it was him too, I think it’s an act that he’s slow. He didn’t seem too slow in that video of him doing that stunt that they included in the docu. He talked quite normally.

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dunzy-yerrow-man@reddit

The same incident where he broke or fractured his spine? Surely you get how that my cause some serious handicaps in an individual?

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Manwelio@reddit

Look at the Golden State Killer who pretends to be feeble in a wheelchair and then on video in his cell is doing sit-ups and arm exercises and walks around with purpose. Wouldn’t be the first or fifth time a criminal pretends.

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pepe612@reddit

What is the point in the courts. Guy was exonerated decades ago yet people still think he did it just because he is "weird"

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robertodurian@reddit

He got off on a technicallity. They basically argued he couldn’t have done it due to “mental disabilities”.

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Clever_Username_467@reddit

That's not a technicality.

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chartupdate@reddit

He was exonerated on a technicality which correctly rendered his original conviction unsafe. But that didn't undermine the other evidence pointing to him. Hence he has never been entitled to compensation. The investigating officer on the original case still believes it was him and will not be swayed from that belief.

There is more compelling evidence that Barry George killed her than there is that Lucy Letby murdered babies. And everyone is convinced she is a monster.

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Im-Homer-Gey-Ian@reddit

There is more compelling evidence that Barry George killed her than there is that Lucy Letby murdered babies. And everyone is convinced she is a monster.

That just isnt true. Time sheets placed Letby on shift at every one of the twenty six or so murders/serious incidents involving babies, not to mention witnesses seeing her with babies seconds before they went into shock and or died.

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pepe612@reddit

What evidence?

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MrMorsley@reddit

Nonsense.

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Master_Comedian5614@reddit

ok here we go, I'd say I have the satisfaction of been successful with my theory of crime and managed to bust a few criminals, I don't consider myself Perry Mason or else. we start with the very and most obvious question, who new that Jill was going to go her home knowingly that she wasn't living there most of the time. Jill has been tricked to go to her home address to collect some documents sent by fax. who's the person who did that? that was her agent Jon Roseman. the police raised their suspicion and questioned Jon Roseman a man with a violent records including a book which he wrote with a murder in almost similar circumstances although the man wasn't a novelist with intention to lunch his book. The police after questioning the man let him go and crossed him out from their list because of his alibi, then later in Netflix documentary said I would have git to get someone one to kill her. this is an usual cocky way from a criminal to say at some point here's is the truth you fools incapable of finding out the perpetrator of the crime and I dish you up for you and still don't believe it. yes in my opinion this is the man and the motive could be feeling jealous of Jill successful carrier and also it could be that Jill disposed of his service who knows. After watching the Netflix documentary I have been thinking and looking in all motives and always come back to the question who new that Jill was going home and how to cause a reason for it. most of the crime committed you don't need to look very far it happens in a very close circle. Jill was a presenter of a crime watch program but if I was a criminal offended by the program I would go after Jill but the producer. only one thing remain obscure in my mind and that is a super fast glimpse of Roberto Calvi in the tv news room during The Jill Dando case years later his murder under the friar bridge in London, why was it brought up and in the same period of time after 1999.I was also concern when the Chief of police admitted the difficulty in finding and using in a scene of crime a silencer in Uk whereas in other countries like Italy are quite common. further more a witness said the man with a long coat running away had a Mediterranean look. was he an hired killer as Jo Roseman supposedly mentioned, I can't put my hand on the fire but a bet most likely yes. you've asked for an opinion not an accusation.

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kaitek78@reddit

I think it was probably the convicted rapist who lived nearby, was photographed with a gun that matches that used in the crime, stalked Princess Diana with a knife (among countless other women), and lived surrounded by stalky photos of women, Dando newspaper cuttings, and his own excrement.

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Environmental-Win778@reddit

1) he wasn't a convicted rapist 2) he had no Dando cuttings,only newspapers which had articles of her in (he was a hoarder) 3) your last point isn't even worth discussing its that ridiculous

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Beccsleek@reddit

Agreed. It is often the simplest (and most boring, if you will) scenario that turns out to be the answer.

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Intelligent-Salt-404@reddit

The fact anyone from BBC was interviewed shows its a “mock”umentary and not a documentary. Barry George should be still imprisoned, not for Jill Dando but the mere fact he is a convicted rapist and taken photos of random women on the street shows he is still a danger and a predator, just because he is a simple man does not mean he is not a dangerous one. I believe the BBC were behind it, it did not touch on the fact Cliff Richard was her best friend and she had lunch with him 48 hours before she was murdered telling him she had been collecting information on child sex pedo ring for years and was going to expose all the names as she had finally got enough evidence together. Next minute? dead! Everyone that goes to expose the elite dies, whether it be a murder or convenient suicide. A Netflix doco wont expose the truth, the truth is too dangerous to expose, scapegoats are used.

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Environmental-Win778@reddit

Not a rapist

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89ElRay@reddit

Got any sources for that mate?

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kingaxelxx@reddit

It was just an anonymous source who came forward a few years after. It was a put together claim but really was just an anonymous source so take it with a grain of salt

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all_the_rouge@reddit

Yes sources please

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kareca-pt@reddit

After watching some other crime docs, we can say the uk police are/were pretty dumb

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Namelessyetknowing@reddit

Jill was about to uncover a phedo ring and investigate… it’s was a professional hit! One member of the ring would have a royal member link

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Open_Job_4195@reddit

Why was she shot on reaching the door she could have been shot in her car strangeas if someone very close to her door was waiting for the truth lies closer to home

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Capable-Scheme266@reddit

Barry George 100%

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Maleficent-Echo-5442@reddit

Why did she transfer £34k to her ex partner (the BBC boss) when he apparently “has plenty of money”.. and does her death have anything to do with the fact she was due to get married in a fortnight. I feel it has something to do with the ex..

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giraffeneck125@reddit

They really ignored all the sexist remarks he made and the fact that he had “plenty of money” doesn’t explain the large amount. Do rich friends just send their other rich friends large sums for fun? I don’t think so

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TheUpIsJig@reddit

He is acquitted, not exonerated. Exoneration is when there is evidence showing it wasn't you (for example, someone else's DNA who is later convicted for the crime)

Barry George was reported by several people for acting strange by asking if they could alibi him. They reported him for the Jill Dando murder. So he got connected up fast but it took a year for him to get investigated.

Barry George left a lot of circumstantial incriminating evidence around, including his collection of pictures which he never developed and didn't even throw out.

Makes me wonder if he didn't clean up and then trash the place later on, making it a needle in a haystack for evidence.

If he has always lived like a pig before that, then I don't think it is him. However if all that is new following the murder, then I would find that an explanation for the lack of evidence.

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Mouroult@reddit

At first, I thought that people were going to say that he was suffering from a form of psychosis ; further into the documentary, I very quickly stopped thinking that Barry Georges was a simpleton : after his arrest, he may have entertained the idea of underperforming on IQ tests and, at the material time, this is certainly not something the police would have suspected... In any case, it's something intriguing, this apparently frenzied desire to appear like an idiot.

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sunflowerfarmer@reddit

I think it was him. Maybe he had a copy of her agents story.

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flablalanche@reddit

How did the killer know she'd be at the house that day when she didn't even live there anymore? Her agent admitted that only he knew she would be there to collect faxes.

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Manwelio@reddit

That points to someone out walking with a gun looking for opportunity. Take it from someone living in the States, predators with weapons in pockets look normal until they jump on you.

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BaseballEnough@reddit

Handguns had already been banned in the UK a few years before Jill Dando’s murder, due to a mass shooting at a school. At the time of her murder, the UK was one of the hardest places in the world to acquire firearms, and this remains the case today. Even before that time, hardly anyone casually walked around with guns, and aside from this school shooting, gun crime was (and still is) extremely rare. Even police don’t carry guns, as a general rule.

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MaxxLP8@reddit

So a guy who had taken photos of himself with a gun, with a sketchy history, lived round the corner, and had been seen on the same road is a pretty big aspect.

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mattiesimon@reddit

Her fiance also knew she was going to her house, as she was living at his house at the time.

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singfromthetable@reddit

BG.

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FishingSerious7145@reddit

Never read about it before and after watching the show and reading online. I’m a true believer the person who did it is hiding at plain sight…. For me was a co worker or someone close to her. A person who was jealous of her for her success in that short time. Too sad the investigators do not interview people at work. Of course I’m very sure they hire someone to do the job but I’m a true believer is someone she work with her.

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nerdygal19@reddit

I kinda think it was the fiance. He didn't cry at all...and he was barley looked into. Unless I missed something in the documentary. Plus the e-fit image looked like the fiance to me...

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Gloomy_Grocery5555@reddit

I immediately thought the e-fit looked like him too. But why would he do it

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Manwelio@reddit

👀😣 No.

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Starlightmoonshine12@reddit

Lots of people don’t cry at funerals grieving is a very personal thing and everyone reacts differently. Not to mention the “stiff British upper lip” is a thing with some people

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TeddyDaGuru@reddit

The Serbs, but Hamish Campbell was absolutely hopeless as lead detective and was constantly behind and letting important things slip… like such a simple thing they should have done right from the first hours after the shooting is to contact all the transport operators, local council, and any businesses with CCTV and instruct them to retain their footage until further notice!

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Original-Ad8314@reddit

The investigation looked shambolic .

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Affectionate-Tea4190@reddit

Hamish Campbell was indeed absolutely hopeless. The idea that Barry George could’ve planned and carried out this execution, etching those marks onto a bullet with expert precision then managing to never carry over any evidence; especially considering the fact that his mental illness and hoarding tendencies seems completely far fetched to me.

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Manwelio@reddit

You keep using language like “execution” like this was some plotted event. There’s little evidence to none to suggest this was “planned” or that she was “executed.”

He had a history of violence against women. Had been on her street before taking photos of women. He could have been walking up the street as she approached her home and because he had a modified gun in hand approached her from behind opportunistically. I live in NYC and that kind of thing happens all the time here, whether with a gun or a knife. Someone is unassuming until they attack you and try to force you into your home.

The evidence suggests she didn’t have the door open when she was grabbed. There was bruising on arm. The gun was pressed to her temple. All signs point to someone trying to control her. That’s not execution. That’s not a “hit.” A hit is someone shoots her as they are walking by and they are driven away in a car with fake plates.

The blood report said there was no blood spatter. It pooled on the ground. So no the killer wouldn’t have blood evidence on them.

But he did have gunpowder residue in the pocket of the coat that matched the description of what the killer was described wearing. Even though he claimed he had never fired a gun before.

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Hotline-schwing@reddit

Yeah 100%. I think it was him. The Doc in particular really washed over his previous convictions. The innocent mentally challenged who could barely string a sentence together the film portrays Barry as didn’t even line up with the modern day interviews with him when he seemed more than switched on to everything. The police interviews for me looked like a man who was shell shocked he had been caught.

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BaseballEnough@reddit

Regarding the gunpowder residue sample, this was later determined to be scientifically invalid. This is mentioned in the Netflix doc (I think), and certainly in some other docs as well.

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Affectionate-Tea4190@reddit

I did use the word execution once but I have only used it once as opposed to ‘keep using’ like you’re asserting. The reason being is because having watched the Netflix documentary I happen to agree with the defence in the prosecution and if you’ve watched it; I’m sure you must have given your interest in the matter, it certainly is more compelling than the prosecution. As it happens I’ve seen both the Netflix and the BBC documentary. It seems highly unlikely that Barry George was the assailant.

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Original-Ad8314@reddit

Looks like there was a Serbian connection.Barry George has a LD . This was an execution .poor Jill . I am so sorry this happened .

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NeverPedestrian60@reddit

Disgruntled ex of her or her fiancé. Hired a hitman.

She’d been on numerous magazine covers talking about her upcoming wedding.

One of her exes (Bob Wheaton) was said to be difficult and controlling.

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Fucklebrother@reddit

I'll never forget Ali G misnaming her 'Jan Dildo'

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Electronic_Cherry_40@reddit

That’s mean of Sasha

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ordinarybloke1963@reddit

There is a common theory here that she was investigating a crime syndicate and was assassinated because she was getting close to exposing something major

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Lammtarra95@reddit

Jill Dando did not investigate anything herself and if the production team was onto something then Nick Ross would have read the autocue in Jill's place. Although whether crime syndicates know how television works is another question.

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MerlinTrismegistus@reddit

Might not have been so much investigating for the show but something that she discovered by herself. Eyes wide shut?

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dunzy-yerrow-man@reddit

At the same time, maybe they could've killed her to send a message to the people doing all the work behind her?

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reddit_faa7777@reddit

Are you 100% certain of that? A lot of presenters are journalists too.

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Starlightmoonshine12@reddit

Yeah but the police found nothing in her home to indicate she was on the verge of a massive discovery. I would assume she would have papers, books and interviews at her office or home that she worked on.

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reddit_faa7777@reddit

She could have been preparing to investigate and get taken out before having a chance to put anything on paper. I definitely think it was a hit.

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Starlightmoonshine12@reddit

She would have told someone of her suspicions though wether that be her colleagues or partner. I dunno it sounds far fetched to me

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ordinarybloke1963@reddit

I understand what you are saying. It was just one theory doing the rounds

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smellyfeet25@reddit

tupacs murder has seen someome arrested recently so you never know

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ButWeNeverSawHisWife@reddit

I mean, completely different situations, like completely different. 2pac’s killer/s have been widely known for 25 years, it’s just no one would talk.

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Specific-Raise-931@reddit

What did you think of the Netflix documentary? I’ve been interested in watching it but sometimes I feel Netflix really miss the mark with their true crime docs with the dragging out of cases across multiple episodes that could have been portrayed in just one episode.

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flingeflangeflonge@reddit

Totally agree - a story which would make a superb 1 or 2 episode doc, utterly ruined by dragging it out to be 6 or worse.

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Rick-Dastardly@reddit

It’s only 3 episodes isn’t it? I thought it was a decent length

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flingeflangeflonge@reddit

Oh, I was just making a general comment agreeing that lots of series are stretched out into too many episodes.

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Jolly-Outside6073@reddit

Like Harry and Meghan.

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Rick-Dastardly@reddit

Oh yea. I get you now. And I agree wholeheartedly

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Manwelio@reddit

It’s three episodes…

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Manwelio@reddit

Her brother approved it seemingly to just bring it back to the forefront and get people thinking about it. And that’s reason enough.

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TheHoon@reddit

It shed less light on the mystery than the wikipedia page

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T_raltixx@reddit

My ex-supervisor says Cliff Richard

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Striking-Life-704@reddit (OP)

They do say it will all come out about him when he’s no longer alive to defend himself or risk exposing others. I don’t believe it personally.

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Clever_Username_467@reddit

I don't know but the mum of a friend of mine from school accidentally called her "Jan Dildo" once and we all thought it was pretty funny.

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bornleverpuller85@reddit

I thought Freddie mercury did it or something

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TrumpleIVskin@reddit

Funnily enough, I don't think that the police ever considered the "maybe she was killed by the lead singer of Queen, who'd died eight years before the murder took place" angle.

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bornleverpuller85@reddit

Well that's where they fucked up

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greedyboy61@reddit

You're obviously a 'no lead overlooked kind of detective' the whole I was dead at the time Freddie Mercury albi never seemed water tight to me

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Kiss_It_Goodbyeee@reddit

Didn't Sherlock Holmes say something like "Remove the impossible and whatever's left, regardless of how improbable, is the truth".

I'm convinced, being dead is the perfect cover and so Freddie definitely did it. Or Elvis.

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Hamsternoir@reddit

Freddie is from the year 3418 and a time traveller, he most definitely did it.

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Metric_Pacifist@reddit

No, he killed a man. He put a gun against his head, pulled the trigger, now he's dead.

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RoxieBenz@reddit

i watched the documentary that’s out on netflix which kind of rehashes the details i guess. i don’t think they’ll ever discover who exactly did it which is a shame. it would be nice to see her get justice.

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pepe612@reddit

The Serbian hit man theory made the most sense to me. Interestingly my mum worked on the same road and was meant to be at work at 12 that day but she didnt go in. Jill Dando was shot at 11:50 so my mum would have seen who did it had she gone in that day.

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theabominablewonder@reddit

And where was your mum at 11:50 on the day in question hmmm? Seems a bit sus. Typical murder mystery trope - it couldn’t be them as they work all day. Only to find out they never made it to the office on that particular morning..

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pepe612@reddit

Lol. I forgot why she said she didn't go in. Maybe she was sick.

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coachhunter2@reddit

Carole Baskin

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AerodynamicHandshake@reddit

Plan B did it.

He admitted it with this absolutely outstanding line

I'll tie a bandana round my head like Rambo, and shoot you on your fucking doorstep like Jill Dando.

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robertodurian@reddit

Mofo should be in prison. If that’s not evidence I don’t know what is. SMH

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lethal_smoky@reddit

This is my confession

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WalksinClouds@reddit

That's a fucking unbelievable bar. Can't believe I missed it.

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Sea-Anxiety-9273@reddit

The upstanding gentleman Klashnekoff got there two years earlier in 2004:

Get dropped on ya doorstep like dando

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AerodynamicHandshake@reddit

Klashnekoff is truly an upstanding gentleman, indeed.

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samxtrav@reddit

never forgotten that verse lol

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minisrugbycoach@reddit

I think it was Reggie Kray that did it. So much evidence points to it if you follow the breadcrumbs.

Jill Dando, Dando sounds like a Dodo, the long extinct flightless bird, dinosaurs are also extinct, who likes Dinosaurs?, Ross Geller from Friends. Played by....David Schwimmer. Who starred in Hotel along with Burt Reynolds.

Reynolds was in "With Friends like these" alongside Martin Kemp, who, as we all know, starred in the 1990's film. "the Krays" A film about Ronnie and Reggie Kray. Now Ronnie died in 95 so it can't have been him. Leaving the finger pointing solely at Reggie.

It's all there in black and white, these details are not hidden. Yet the police have never seriously followed up on any of this.

It's like they don't want to solve the case.

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