Nurses and Doctors, what made you decide that is a good profession for you?

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Bonsia413@reddit

A love for medicine. I know it’s a poor deal, I know i will be abused by the NHS with long hours, poor management and no regard to my own mental health. I know my pay for many years will be no where near other stem careers at my level of education. But I do know theses things; firstly sometimes the thankyou I get from a patient is wonderful, to actually make a positive change in my community and in a patients day to day life is great; secondly I get to apply my knowledge and my skill that I spent years honing on a daily basis which keeps me engaged and happy. Lastly I know this, the government will try and replace us, with less trained, less capable staff, they are doing it already, they are underfunding us too, even to the breaking point we see now. But I know doctors will be in demand somewhere, either in the private sector or other parts in the world. We practice In the NHS for many years but there’s a breaking point in all of us. And when it comes down to it doctors are in demand. I think the British public will eventually see the number of unnecessary deaths rising and the waiting lists grow even further. Either they fight for the NHS now or they fight to see private care later. I as many doctors do, are praying they fight for their NHS now.

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tyger2020@reddit

>i will be abused by the NHS with long hours, poor management and no regard to my own mental health. I know my pay for many years will be no where near other stem careers at my level of education Just want to say, make sure you're doing a like for like comparison here. A lot of lawyers, finance, etc are doing 60+ hours a week - I can't speak to doctors but I don't think (most) are doing that amount of hours regularly. Just something to remember! have also seen tons of people say you're never 'off' work - if a client wants something done, they get it done, even if you're out for a meal etc.

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Bonsia413@reddit

Thankyou for this comment, when I’ve had a long, shitty day on the ward constantly on my feet and unable to take my break as a patient has had an arrest and died on my allocated 30mins I’ll be sure to pray thanks that I work similar hours to lawyers and those in finance

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tyger2020@reddit

> when I’ve had a long, shitty day on the ward constantly on my feet and unable to take my break How's that going btw? First year of medical school tough on the ward, all day, working them 70 hour weeks?

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Bonsia413@reddit

Clearly you’ve no idea of the profession you don’t touch ward work in your first year of med school.

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tyger2020@reddit

It's great to see I've occupied your mind so much, babe. I'm pretty sure you posted 1 year ago, saying you'll be 27 when you start med school, so...

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Bonsia413@reddit

I was 27 when I started med school?

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tyger2020@reddit

Except you didn't use past tense, you used present/future.

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Bonsia413@reddit

Ah sorry didn’t expect anyone too be that petty as to go through my Reddit account history to check for grammar lol

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tyger2020@reddit

Odd. I give a comment and you feel the need to be hostile for absolutely no reason. You're complaining that your peers are out earning you - yeah, but a lot of them are probably doing more hours. Most medics I've met are doing 48 hours as a max, and most are doing less than that (more like 40). Why would it make sense to compare a 40 hour salary to a 60 hour salary?

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Bonsia413@reddit

Because your comment was hostile or wilfully ignorant at best. Unless you truly are dense enough too believe that people aren’t aware other professions work similar hours. Id also argue you haven’t met too many medics either to think those hours are the norm, nor do you understand that the intensity of work is different. Someone working in the mines or scaffolding for example won’t be able to do as many hours of work than someone behind a desk.

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tyger2020@reddit

>Because your comment was hostile or wilfully ignorant at best. Unless you truly are dense enough too believe that people aren’t ***aware other professions work similar hours.*** Since you want to try and drag up my post history to what was a comment trying to make you feel better, then I won't hold back either. I guess medical school didn't require decent reading comprehension as a requirement, huh? Some of my friends in IB/Law are working 9-6 five or six days a week, and when it's busy they're there until midnight. Most doctors aren't even coming close to 50 hours never mind the 60-80 that other ''STEM careers' are doing. >Id also argue you haven’t met too many medics either to think those hours are the norm, I'm literally an RN. >nor do you understand that the intensity of work is different. See above. >Someone working in the mines or scaffolding for example won’t be able to do as many hours of work than someone behind a desk. Ok? That has absolutely no relevance here, but you're just proving the next point: >edit on looking at your pervious posts- > >“You only need to go onto that doctors subreddit to realise a lot of them are losers with no life outside of medicine and think that the ground they walk on should be worshipped because they 'have a medical degree” > >clearly someone didn’t get into med school and your agenda is clear Maybe learn to actually argue whatever point you're trying to argue rather than being an idiot. That sub, is, full of losers who do nothing but think they deserve the ground they walk on to be worshipped because they have a medical degree. Scroll down further if you want to read about me supporting FPR, but no, you'd rather sit here and pretend that you somehow deserve unlimited respect no matter how shitty your personality is just because you have a medical degree.

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Bonsia413@reddit

How exactly does reminding me of other peoples working hours make me feel better about our working conditions? You as a RN should know better than to spout the NHS management tripe rhetoric that lead our professions into the state they are in now. Maybe if your two brain cells talked to one another occasionally you’d realise comments like that are part of the problem.

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tyger2020@reddit

>How exactly does reminding me of other peoples working hours make me feel better about our working conditions? I'm not saying about your working conditions, that's why I specifically quoted the part about your hours and 'others in STEM fields'. All I said to you was to make sure you're comparing like for like - because most people in law/finance are not doing 40 hours a week. You immediately went on a massive tirade about how awful I am, and then you go through post history literally proving my point? That's hilarious >You as a RN should know better than to spout the NHS management tripe rhetoric that lead our professions into the state they are in now. Maybe if your two brain cells talked to one another occasionally you’d realise comments like that are part of the problem. Again, this literally means nothing. What is ''NHS management tripe'' exactly?

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Bonsia413@reddit

But by asking me to consider others professions working hours do you not see that as derogatory? Especially given the context of Ops question and the current climate. Again going back, do you genuinely believe people are that naive that they don’t know other professions work long hours too? Also no it doesn’t mean nothing, the NHS is well known for clawing the most out of its work force, hence the question I presume, and you’d have to be as thick as mud to not see the jargon they use to wash over pretty sensitive subjects. However I can see why you may have missed it

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tyger2020@reddit

>But by asking me to consider others professions working hours do you not see that as derogatory? No, because it's not derogatory. I'm not gonna insult your intelligence, but even you should know it's disingenuous to compare things that are not like for like. >Especially given the context of Ops question and the current climate. Again going back, do you genuinely believe people are that naive that they don’t know other professions work long hours too? See, even this is disingenuous. What do you mean 'too'? Most doctors are doing 40-48 hours, not 60-80. That isn't the same thing and it's wrong to compare the salaries of the people who do them hours. >Also no it doesn’t mean nothing, the NHS is well known for clawing the most out of its work force, hence the question I presume, and you’d have to be as thick as mud to not see the jargon they use to wash over pretty sensitive subjects. However I can see why you may have missed it Again, you're not really doing a good point of arguing your case here. Using trope buzzwords like ''nHS MANGEMENT'' and then not even being able to expand on your point is pretty basic. Maybe try to actually argue your point rather than just shout and expect that to make you 'win'

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Bonsia413@reddit

*It’s disingenuous to compare things that are not like for like.* \- no there is nothing disingenuous comparing the salary of other STEM careers to medicine, it’s well known. However you bringing working hours into it and comparing is, are we both not in vocational roles? *What do you mean 'too'? Most doctors are doing 40-48 hours, not 60-80. That isn't the same thing and it's wrong to compare the salaries of the people who do them hours -* Firstly you claim to be an RN we know the 40 hour week isn’t true for most full time doctors so stop bullshitting. Maybe you should educate yourself on the other healthcare roles that support you. *Again, you're not really doing a good point of arguing your case here. Using trope buzzwords like ''nHS MANGEMENT'' and then not even being able to expand on your point is pretty basic -* I did expand on it and explained. Your lack of understanding does not equate to lack of description. Your lack of critical thinking is likely the cause of you not understanding the original point

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tyger2020@reddit

> However you bringing working hours into it and comparing is, are we both not in vocational roles? How are you STILL missing the point? > Firstly you claim to be an RN we know the 40 hour week isn’t true for most full time doctors so stop bullshitting. Maybe you should educate yourself on the other healthcare roles that support you. No, it absolutely is true. > I did expand on it and explained. Your lack of understanding does not equate to lack of description. Your lack of critical thinking is likely the cause of you not understanding the original point No you didn't - you said literally a buzzword and then started rambling. Again, the fact you're trying to make sly comments attacking my 'critical thinking' while all your doing is saying you 1) have an inherent right to earn what other people do for 80 hours of work, and 2) not actually expanding on anything except your god complex is.. funny

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Bonsia413@reddit

Look tbh I don't have the time, energy or crayons to argue with you further. Clearly your post history shows you have an agenda against doctors. I noticed you deleted some lol. But as a nurse yourself who must work with doctors daily maybe it is you who has an inferiority complex .

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tyger2020@reddit

>Clearly your post history shows you have an agenda against doctors. I noticed you deleted some lol. Ah I forget, anyone who says anything about doctors clearly has an ''AGENDA''. What a great argument! That'll show me!

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Bonsia413@reddit

Aha bore off

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MaisielR9GtAdore8@reddit

Despite the tough moments and relentless workload, MHN, LDN, MDs, and RNs choose these paths from passion and an urge to impact lives. It's challenging, especially with poor pay, but the fulfillment outranks the struggles. Many do it for the win, not the wage. Dialogue on medical careers needs to focus more on the rewards of the job, not purely the paycheck.

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Much_Performance352@reddit

Remember for medicine, _**it takes minimum 10 years to be a GP, 15 to be a consultant.**_ It wasn’t a poor deal when new consultants and GPs starting today chose their career journeys. The problem is now the drawbacks are obvious and the appeal will drop off. It’s a shame as we need the best and brightest, whereas now the smart decision is to avoid medicine entirely.

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AdamHasShitMemes@reddit

F1 here, brown parents innit

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Emotional_Plate_1501@reddit

Explain more hahaha

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Fine_Guest1238@reddit

I am a doctor and decided on a whim aged 18- I didn’t really know anything about medicine but was obsessed with the all the medical dramas. I think about leaving nearly every single day but can’t think what else I would do now 10 years in

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CoatLast@reddit

I am a student nurse and a career changer. Let's just say I am no spring chicken. I also work as a healthcare assistant on the wards part time. I had wanted to be a nurse for years, but never thought I would get the chance. Then, the pandemic happened and it trashed my career and I took the opportunity. I love caring for people. It's as simple as that. Any doubts I had dissolved when I started working on the wards. Yes, there are issues, big ones. Yes, the pay isn't good, yes the work is hard. Often far more physical than anyone imagines and can be emotionally draining. But, I have never had a shift that I haven't finished with a huge smile on my face. Some days I will run around like a crazy person cleaning up incontinent patients, feeding people, helping people in a million ways. Oh, and helping with clinical things such taking observations like blood pressures, doing blood glucose monitoring, and a lot more. All for just above minimum wage. But, the satisfaction is huge. Even cleaning someone's bum.

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tyger2020@reddit

Truthfully because it just made the most sense for me, I like being with people and I also find healthcare/medicine interesting. No job is perfect and it's particularly bad rn, but there are are a lot of options (tons of healthcare jobs are not on a hospital ward). Other things like getting decent money, 4 days off per week, flexibility in schedule, getting to do interesting things. I'm not really a corporate type, I do find aspects interesting like law and finance but the thought of sitting in an office messing around with fake numbers that mean nothing for 40-60 hours a week sounds depressing as fuck. At least I get to do relatively 'fun' stuff at work and to be quite honest, the issue is the pay is not bad. Anyone who struggles to live comfortably on 35k-40k a year isn't good with money, the issue right now is that pay is bad *for the shit we put up with.*

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james_p85_@reddit

It was a complete accident. I was hating life working in retail and kind of fell into a college healthcare access course for something to do in the evening; a year down the line that became an entry point to undergrad Adult Nursing. Had no care experience, can't believe they even took me on in a small cohort. As it happens I fucking loved nursing from the second I began my first placement. I'm a few years in now and I'm quite happy with my wage, it's a very good wage. I'm a pretty niche specialist and although I guess that for similar stress and workload levels in other professions I'm probably still underpaid I remind myself every day that I get to get up and do this awesome job that I love every single day and I'd fucking hate being a banker or working in an office or something

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Ok-Armadillo-4160@reddit

I decided to go to medical school when I was 16, and applied when I was 17. The country, and the NHS, by the time I graduated and has changed further in the near-decade since. The deal has changed in the 15 years since I decided to be a doctor, but as you say, I’ve invested a lot, and I care for my patients.

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alinalovescrisps@reddit

I decided to train as a mental health nurse because I found mental health (and particularly psychosis) fascinating. Eight years after qualifying and I continue to be a mental health nurse because I love many aspects of the job. I work in the community and can work with patients for up to three years. It can genuinely be an honour to be alongside people in their recovery for that amount of time, some of my patients we've shed some tears and had some hugs when I've discharged them. The awful shit I've seen people go through is horrendous but I've been fortunate enough to meet some incredibly resilient, funny and kind humans who haven't been defined by their traumas or their diagnosis. Seeing people get better and not need me anymore is a genuinely beautiful thing. It is getting more and more bleak working in the NHS but that's what keeps me here 🖤

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meemii8@reddit

I'm not a nurse, my sister is. She changed career and studied to be a mental health/learning disabilities nurse. She's always said my son was her inspiration to do so. He also has a VI and autism and seeing him growing up with the difficulties he has made her realise caring for people like him is what she wanted to do. I think there are probably a lot of people who are similarly inspired by seeing how their loved ones are cared for. I have nothing but respect and gratitude for NHS staff. My son spent his first few months in hospital due to being born early, during that time not only did the staff save his life multiple times but they also were the loveliest, kindest people who got me through what was essentially an emotional roller coaster. I've never, ever forgotten them and never will, because of them I have my son. So to anyone in the profession reading this, you're incredible and thank you for doing what you do. I really hope that things get better in the NHS for the staff who are struggling, I really do.

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Chemical-ali1@reddit

I trained more than 15yrs ago, but it was still bad then. I do think all the young ones starting now must be mad. But you don’t really realize how awful it’s going to be until you get there and get ground down for a few years, and then when you do it’s too late and it’s difficult to escape. Unfortunately it’s one of them jobs where there’s not really anything else like it, so if that’s what you want to do you kind of have to put up with it or do something boring.

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calcified90@reddit

It is a horrible deal. You waste most of your life to build a career and then what you get in the end doesn’t even compare to the effort you put in. If I had known what I know now I would have never applied. No wonder there is a recruitment crisis.

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