Stanley Meyer's "Water Powered Car" - The car was said to be powered by a revolutionary water fuel cell. In 1996, an Ohio court ruled the project as fraudulent. Meyer mysteriously died two years later in 1998.

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JowettMcPepper@reddit

I heard about conspiracy theories regarding Meyer's death. He was supposedly murdered because he knew how to turn water into fuel.

Also, Stanley's brother, Stephen, claimed that the buggy was stolen by unidentified individuals. Something smells fishy about this case.

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No it the buggy was never stolen, that’s complete BS where did you even hear that? The car was with my family, and my uncle(charlie holbrook) had it until he died of cancer. The car was then given to a college in michigan for further research by my aunt. I hate people spreading misinformation about this car

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jhugh@reddit

'A waiter serves one of them some cranberry juice, perhaps (but we will never know for sure) chosen for dessert. This man, immediately after the first sip, suddenly gets up as if he’s gone crazy, he holds his hands around his neck, he loses his breath, runs out into the parking lot, collapses to the ground and pronounces his last words “they poisoned me”.
\^\^This is the internet's description of his death. Definitely good conspiracy fodder. Not any kind of proof though.

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djduni@reddit

Its timing is whats so crazy because you absolutely can die from aneurysm of the aorta or brain in a matter of minutes which officially thats what happened but it happened while he was meeting w an interested party…fishy as it gets.

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FlexDrillerson@reddit

An older substitute teacher at my high school claimed he converted his Buick to run on water. I wondered why such a genius innovator was substituting my 10th grade English class.

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LeakySkylight@reddit

When you look at it the idea kind of makes sense, but then if you take the laws of thermodynamics into effect, it falls apart.

Use electricity to turn water into browns gas (H2+O2), combust in the engine, which runs an alternator that generates more electricity.

If this was actually this good, the Hydrogen Fuel Cell cars would be much more prevalent and cheaper to run.

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Historical-Cycle2949@reddit

it is that good, the reason that this tech is not prevalent is because of politics, money and power. ford actually made an electric car way back in the beginning and it was scrapped for the same reason, the oil giants have been fighting alternative power from day one and control politics and power. they have been fighting Elon Musk tooth and nail using the governments to do so,

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The1Sovereign@reddit

Leaky, if the hydrogen fuel cell cars WERE that good, would it not be reasonable to assume that some very powerful people in large industries (think Exxon, BP, GE, et al.) might not like to see their 100s of Billions worth of investments be obsoleted by such a simple process of harnessing significant power from the most abundant commodity on earth - water?

Remember, we live in a 'scarcity' paradigm where the rich get richer by monopolizing what YOU and I need to survive and charging us through the nose for it. And, yes, you're damned right they'd kill anyone who posed a significant threat to that monopoly (think Saddam Hussein, Ghaddafi... you know, all those names the US loves to hate and threaten to bomb back to the stone age... oh, yeah, that's right, they hanged Saddam (at least that's what we were 'shown' and they got Ghaddafi disemboweled in a highway drainage easement in the desert...

So, yeah, it's likely Stanley Meyer was considered a threat with what he knew... truth be told, it seems pretty easy to make in hindsight... it's not the tech that will stop you, it's the criminally insane elites you need to worry about...

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RighteousProphet123@reddit

It is called the PETRO DOLLAR and the U.S had a vested interest in the US Dollar being strong backed by the petro.

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JeVacy@reddit

It could’ve just broke the law of thermodynamics. Nothing is impossible

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TutorRevolutionary20@reddit

Isn’t that just what they want you to believe? They could falsify documents to make errors in the project to make it seem as an invention that has too many flaws to succeed but didn’t the oil and gas companies kill him off due to profits being an issue for those elite companies, if this came out to the public , makes sense why Elon musk can get in the car business considering he works for the government and start the whole category of ev’s but one guy who changes the way travel can be better is killed and Elon is made to be this big philanthropic guy who is saving the earth lmaooo shit is a joke

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MotorCityDude@reddit

If this water powered car was true, Elon would be researching it and going that route instead of electricity..

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No-Bother6856@reddit

Ive seen people arguing that this works before but its absolutely braindead. The energy required to separate out hydrogen and oxygen is the same as the theoretical maximum energy you get back when you burn it. The alternator will always draw more power than any fuel cell or ICE can produce from that hydrogen.

Its like rolling a ball down a U shapped track and expecting it to go higher than where it started.

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Monkey-Respect5801@reddit

what about the electrons that are unbound and made free ?

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bolax@reddit

Just wanted to do something in his spare time now that he was a billionaire, or maybe he didn't want to get mysteriously killed.

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Scooterpro1020@reddit

...the second one.

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RichiesWorld@reddit

Your evidence is what?

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Sawmain@reddit

Doesent have any lmao.

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Superb_Ad_8247@reddit

the fact he was a subsitute.

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Previous-Rich-2824@reddit

bunch of people doesnt know efficiency and chemistry lol.

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Capital_Froyo_4872@reddit

Didn't want to be assassinated by big corporations or the oil industry would be the obvious answer ...

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Confident_Ad3201@reddit

my dad's actually explained the whole car running on water thing with big science multiple times to me, however I have small woman brain. He's got a good heart but doesn't think that him inventing shit could get him killed.. 🥹😞

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Historical-Cycle2949@reddit

this is lies, the courts did not rule the project as fraudulent at all when he was alive, in fact he was being bullied by oil giants that tried to pay him off to go on record saying it was a fraud and to scrap his idea, his idea is sound and actually has been proved to work, the oil companies have been working behind the scenes to make sure that his invention was not going to be taken seriously and to keep the idea off the market, there is no question at all that he was murdered, the only question is who done it?

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Amazing-Scale-9246@reddit

They oil companys potentially poisoned him. Reason 1 is financially. If there were to be watered powered vechiles not only would gas powered vechiles be replaced but Oil industrys work would be pointless. Second reason is water resources. Say we were to have water powered vehicles, our daily water usage would result in limitations. Millions of Vechiles Traveling Per day ran by water is a no. So it all comes down to this man intentionally being put to rest

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Danger_Tomorrow@reddit

Why didn't he ever release it for free? Now it's all gone and I can't help but sorta blame him

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UNimAginAtiveuseRn@reddit

It was fake. He was a con artist.

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Ok_Channel_1780@reddit

He didn’t mysteriously died, he died of a brain aneurysm due to high blood pressure

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Vojvodjanin110@reddit

Idiotic fraud.

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hyteck9@reddit

I live close to where Meyer lived. I have talked to people that know his family. I was told he was poisoned during a meal with 'big wigs' as they discussed selling the technology. That technology, was not just electrolysis, but finding a resonant frequency which allowed to separate hydrogen and oxygen using much less electricity than the world once thought.

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roodammy44@reddit

Resonant frequency or not, it will still take energy to break the molecular bonds. That energy will be the same or less than what you get if you recombine the hydrogen and oxygen.

The laws of physics say that it doesn’t work as well as some people think. You can’t break bonds and then make bonds and somehow get more energy back than you put in.

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eXo-Familia@reddit

You must be a bot. You completely disregarded his statement about resonance frequencies by simply saying the laws of physics are as infallible as the humans that made them and their never changing views on the science of the universe itself. In the end, everything is fiction until someone does it and then it becomes fact. Don't let your understanding of what you call science become as rigid as stone that you refuse to accept different perspectives that may challenge that.

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TheMultiTuber@reddit

Mysteriously? He lasts words were "I've been poisoned"

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BrerChicken@reddit

Even less mysteriously, he died of a brain aneurysm. It's literally in the coroner's report.

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Lovecheezypoofs@reddit

That’s just what they want you to believe

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rasvial@reddit

Uh oh, "they" time

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crowbahr@reddit

Calling it: Only 2 more comments until something antisemitic is said.

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Ok-Result-5834@reddit

I hate jews

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wolfgang9996@reddit

Raise your hand if you actually took a college level thermodynamics class. I have, and I do think Stanley Meyer's inventions worked. I watched hours of his videos and interviews, and find his case not only compelling, but completely logical.

For starters, he does NOT come off as a charlatan, he appears to have NO intention of making money off this, is completely AWARE of the ramifications of oil dependence. He appears genuine, and not in a way that implies any selfish motivation whatsoever.

Secondly, his device was PATENTED and required demonstration of the effectiveness of his devices. If it didn't work, how was he issued a patent? Seems like every source says "besides eye witness accounts, his device was not shown to work." WTF is there besides eye witness accounts? That IS a demonstration of it working.

Thirdly, as far as the "this violates physics" argument, again, doubtful most ever excelled at high school physics let alone beyond that. Yet this is dismissed as tripe without a second thought. The method used is not the conventional electrolysis method. He figured out how to use LOW CURRENT high voltage methods to split the covalent bond between oxygen and hydrogen.

Fourth, as a Christian, it only makes sense for him to be crucified. That's all I will say about that.

Fifth, assassinating enemies isn't a conspiracy theory. Happens literally daily. If you tried hard enough, you could easily find people to kill for cash if it saved you billions of dollars. Most just aren't sociopaths (thank God). But it isn't that complicated. I don't advocate doing that btw but anyone over the age of 13 needs to be aware that these things happen. They are just labelled as conspiracies so you buy someone else's narrative.

Truth always seems like lies when you've only ever heard lies. Look up the life story of Rudolph Diesel (mysterious suicide, was attempting to produce Diesel engines run on vegetable oil), Tesla (defunded and left destitute and died alone).

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JordanGecco@reddit

you lost me at the Christian part ngl

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wolfgang9996@reddit

sucks to suck I guess. Walk in the footsteps of jesus, get killed. So much for the "opium of the masses" eh?

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Cpobarnet1@reddit

Here's a article written about the incident here

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jopole1972@reddit

No poison works that quickly.

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JordanGecco@reddit

you have no clue what you’re talking about

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jopole1972@reddit

At any time you can debunk this 🤦‍♂️

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alexthewindow@reddit

Gas companies killed because they didn’t want loose money

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JordanGecco@reddit

*lose

sigh

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Binary01code@reddit

Murdered.

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Initial_Profit4913@reddit

I was thinking, if we have the car.. why wouldn't we take it apart.. & put it back together so we know how it works.

If we have the patent.. why don't we build it...

Of course it's fraudulent.. & of course he dies 2 years later.

The conspiracy alone is pure profits..

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somerandomnub1@reddit

What does him dying 2 years later have anything to do with it, if anything it makes it a bit suspicious.

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deleted_by_reddit@reddit

No free meals in thermodynamics

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Oreeo88@reddit

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lunchboxdeluxe@reddit

So many people get suckered in with this crap. If this worked, it would be the biggest tech breakthrough since the transistor, and there would be absolutely no way of covering it up.

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Superb-Water-3734@reddit

Good bot 🤖

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WhyNotCollegeBoard@reddit

Are you sure about that? Because I am 99.97849% sure that lunchboxdeluxe is not a bot.

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wolfgang9996@reddit

how much money would it make? more like much money would be LOST? Are you insane? Do you really think a tech company would want to capture the "market" for a technology that was specifically designed to be decentralized and able to be constructed on a small scale in his own garage? The whole point was to free the market for oil dependency. That makes you a MORTAL ENEMY of Exxon, Shell, GM, Ford, Toyota, Schlumberger, EPA (taxes), Saudis, etc. Surprised he got as far as he did before he was MURDERED.

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Cleb044@reddit

This is ridiculous. Even if we assume the feds / oil barons of the world have this amount of control over the flow of information, it does not support the underlying fact that the car itself does not work - purely from a thermodynamic standpoint.

Water is an awful fuel source. It has essentially no usable chemical potential energy, given that it is already at an extremely low energy state. In fact gas powered cars works specifically because of the massive enthalpy change between high energy hydrocarbons versus their combustion byproducts in CO2 and H2O.

To use water as a fuel source, it would require conversion into a more energetic molecule, such as H2 via electrolysis. Only problem is that electrolysis of H2O requires far more energy input than the combustion of H2 produces. This is thermodynamically defined: if you put water into a process, convert it to H2, then combust the H2, you are still left with water in and water out. Assuming perfect efficiencies in all processes (which both electrolysis and combustion engines are terrible for) you will be left with exactly ZERO net energy (keep in mind that in a perfectly efficient process, it is truly zero: as the inlet enthalpy is exactly equal to outlet enthalpy).

Dont buy into the perpetual motion machine nonsense - no matter how “coincidental” stories like these appear to be, the laws of thermodynamics do not change.

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weddle_seal@reddit

I mean the feds do have ways to stop information and also miscommunication. I am not saying they are watertight but it doesn't feel that impossible

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Cleb044@reddit

Regardless of how good the feds are at blocking information, it doesnt change the fact that a water powered car is thermodynamically impossible.

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deleted_by_reddit@reddit

What if it works but very inefficiently

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Cleb044@reddit

It does not work at an inefficient level. Water is a terrible fuel source because it is a very stable molecule. Gasoline molecules have a lot of stored chemical potential energy that is released upon combustion (where it is converted from a high energy hydrocarbon to low energy CO2 and H2O).

If you want to use water as an energy source, you first half to put energy into the system to complete electrolysis (converting H2O to H2 and O2). You could then combust the H2 and get energy out of that.

There’s a BIG problem with doing this: electrolysis of H2O to H2 and O2 requires MORE energy than combustion of H2 produces. This is not because of lack of available technology: it is defined by the 1st law of thermodynamics. If the enthalpy of material into a process is the same as the enthalpy out, then in order to create shaft work out of the process you need an additional energy input. I.E. a battery.

The water powered car is just another perpetual motion “machine.” It’s a hoax

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Tillemon@reddit

Kind of like free wireless energy in the early 1900s? That's what Tesla was doing, but JP Morgan pulled his funding. JP owned the copper mines, railroads, power company, etc, and was running copper wire everywhere to distribute electricity for money.

Couldn't this possibly be using electrolysis to split water into oxygen and hydrogen then burning the gasses as fuel?

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joekaistoe@reddit

Electrolysis uses more energy than can be used by burning it.

Every conversion of energy has losses. There are a minimum of 3 energy conversions in this:

Electrolysis of water to hydrogen (electric energy to chemical)
Fuel cell conversion of hydrogen (chemical to electric)
Electric motor (electric to mechanical)

In the end, it would be more efficient to just use the electrical energy directly.

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Rickybobby130@reddit

supposedly he can fracture water with less power using frequency, and if its not possible he seems pretty smart and confident with what he built for it being a ruse

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il_viapo@reddit

There is no way for it to work, it is thermodynamics. Even if you split water with electrolysis you obtain hydrogen and oxygen, you burn them and obtain water plus energy. So since the energy in a closed system is constant and you have water at both the terms of the equation, you obtain that the energy that you obtain from burning is at most the energy to split the water molecule with electrolysis. This is considering a 100% efficient system that convert that heat energy (from burning) to mechanical energy to electrical energy for the electrolysis. As everyone knows a 100% efficient system is impossible so there is no way to obtain power from water alone.

For the wireless energy, there is and we know how to send it. It is basically all forms of electromagnetic waces, like radio waves, and they carry so little energy that it is impossible to trasmit any significant amount of power, let alone doing it efficiently.

Sorry if my response is not clear, English is not my first language, but I am happy to try ti answer any question if you have them. ( for the wireless energy there is a video of electroBoom on YouTube on the topic if I remember correctly)

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vegetaman3113@reddit

Nope, crystal clear. The amount of energy it takes to split the water is the same you would get out by burning it...... assuming a 100% efficient system, which is pretty much not possible right now.

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Beef5030@reddit

Its not possible ever.

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Rickybobby130@reddit

its just not possible yet..... to people in the 1600s they would say the same shit about the stuff we have.... magnetic indution heaters..... magic! crazy they would say.... we just arent ready yet

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glasses_the_loc@reddit

Gallium and aluminum in a 3-1 ratio mixed at room temp forms a nanocrystal colloid of aluminium in gallium which splits water at room temperature. The hydrogen and oxygen can then be converted back into water via combustion or a fuel cell.

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Cleb044@reddit

Converts water to H2 and O2 at room temperature with ZERO energy input? I’m going to need a citation on that, as someone is either in violation of the 1st law of thermodynamics or is hiding the battery.

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quantanhoi@reddit

A bit late for the post but what happened to this prototype?
I saw a video showing the car was running, but that end there. If it was ruled that the project is fraudulent, then have people done reverse engineering stuff on the motor and find out how that might work?
I don't know anything about physics and stuff but I saw the video.... so it must work to some extent, or it would be a completely scam

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Rickybobby130@reddit

if its not possible and ever would be he seems pretty smart and confident and pretty sure about what he built. and I'm pretty sure everyone always says the same thing its not possible because no one has done it yet .... yet everything seems crazy and not possible until someone figures it out. its easy to discredit things. just because you didn't learn it and learned reasons why it wont work doesn't mean you wont figure out a way for it too work

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CommercialLeg7654@reddit

But they arent doing anything about the electric car inventors? Doesent make sense

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oZo61@reddit

Stanley Meyer was an alien, and he was killed by the Illuminati.

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SavageAries67@reddit

Think of it like this. A pulse wave osolating at say twenty thousand times per second with one hundred thousand volts and say one Amp. The water is vibrated apart. A similar thing occurs when lightning strikes water. A brilliant man who was offered a billion dollars by the oil companies. He refused the offer and died eating dinner with his family. He wanted the people to profit from this. Imagine a guy who wanted to put money back in normal American pockets and was murdered for it. He found the frequency with an asiliscope if memory serves me correctly. After that, he created his own spark plugs with lasers. I believe that put out the frequency and sparked the gas as well. If memory serves me right. He was able to drive to California on a gallon of water. You see, water is the most compressed element on this planet. With potential, I believe that if memory serves. Twenty-two hundred gallons of hydrogen in one gallon of water. Anyway, gotta go to sleep now. I hope this helped. I have a few theories on the use of hydrogen, but I have not proven yet. Time and observation is the only way.

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