I like to imagine a new universe is born… and looking back towards the black hole from inside is attempting to look at the Big Bang of said universe….everything goes in, becomes one, bang, energies start to separate, lightness and darkness form, eventually certain things’ speed and/or frequency slows to a point they start to form matter, planets, stars, etc….
No it's not. Read the article properly it's click bait. It clearly days the matter does not come from within the black hole. Nothing leaves a black hole ffs. Only radiation. Hawking dedicated his entire life to this fact!!
Sometimes black holes "eat" stars and immediately spit them out. But now we observed that happening 3 years later. This is bizarre, we thought that wasn't possible. All the information should have been trapped after that much time
but "that much time" was the amount of time they deemed was long enough to get past the event horizon. given the insane acceleration due to gravity near a black hole, 3 years should be plenty of time for that. even if it's the blink of an eye on a cosmological scale
Well that’s because we don’t know shit about what’s going on out there, not really. I was reading an old astronomy book from the 70s, a lot of stuff in those older books is now wrong by todays understanding of things, jump ahead 50 years from today it will probably be the same deal.
And everything we think we know is easily 10-20 years behind what the DoD and private contractors know… so it’s a good thing all us plebs spend time on the hamster wheel going in debt studying outdated information
If the DoD and especially private contractors knew anything special, there is no possible way it would remain a secret. We'd all know, and private companies would be profiting from the knowledge immediately.
There are actual mysteries out there that are fascinating, there's no need to live in a sci-fi LARP.
Ceo of Lockheed martin skunk works, previously the advanced development programs, aka where the most highly classified and advanced and exotic aircraft in the world are designed and built, had this to say about it:
"We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity."
> there is no possible way it would remain a secret. We'd all know
How many leaks have there been over the years? Take the Tic Tac footage, people thought it was fake CGI for years, until the Pentagon confirmed it was real.
And lets not pretend that the governments don't have ways to keep stuff silent. If they didn't, the CI/NSA wouldn't have anywhere near the power they do right now.
Not sure what you meant by you’re last sentence…and I wish you were right…and maybe that’s the case with some secrets….but organizations are 100% absolutely capable of keeping a secret..maybe not ALL the secrets they want…but absolutely some….
Yeah if you're seeing mass die off from a disease and you're figuring things out you start covering your bases.
I dont need a condom every time I have sex. She could be clean of std and no where close to ovulation, hell maybe my laptop made my lap too warm this week and most of my sperm isn't even viable. Its still a good idea to put one on.
In a world where measles is making a comeback due to vaccine paranoia, it kinda makes sense just to say "put the fucking mask on while experts in almost every country on the planet try to figure put what's going on"
I get where you're coming from. But we didn't see a mass die off from covid. It was an inconvenience with potential lasting effects. And it was deadly to the sick and elderly, like all infections.
Also masks for the general populace are garbage. Everyone was reusing them, and not replacing it every 20 mins/2 hours (I forget what the recommended disposal time was, but it was not sustainable. Not even going into how fucking horrible for the environment it is too.)
There was recently a really big update on it though, one of the lead researchers is on Reddit and I follow him. That’s probably why OP just heard of it
Didn’t even realize that! Lol, thanks.
I was in a group conversation and we got to talking about. Wouldn’t it be something if the black hole started eating the star what the core of the star, being made up of possibly some exotic materials, did not react to light or wave links in our known spectrums, and THAT or something of the sort coming out. Idk.
What exactly are they referring to when they use the term "information" in this context? Admittedly I am less than a layman in this stuff, but it seems a strange choice to me.
At galactic scales we look at things in many spectrums, not just visible light and audible sound. Nothing gets back out after it's past the event horizon, in any wavelength
You’re saying that the material went over the event horizon and then came back out, not as hawking radiation? That’s definitely not supposed to be possible. Could it be material that was still orbiting the black hole from the dead suns, but didn’t make it in the first time, went dark as the rest of the material went in and friction decreased, and eventually got into the path of the jets?
There is established precedent for this phenomenon. I once chewed and swallowed a Kraft single as a kid, and later that night threw up an intact, square slice of cheese.
Had a friend swear up and down the same thing about a piece of bologna.
A whole intact-ass slice of bologna in a puke demi glacé —served puked up in his shoe.
I honestly believe it probably comes out where the black holes north and south "poles" would be. gravity is strongest at the equator. I'm assuming black holes spin, so it would probably be just like earth. weakest gravity at the polar regions
Isn't that what Nikodem Poplowski describes in gis big bounce theory? Before that matter gets concentrated to singularity the centrifugal forces make the matter bounce back
Saw this on another thread about this article. From u/Andromeda321:
> Astronomer here! This is actually my research and a “magnum opus” that I worked on for two years, and I’m very proud of! So AMA I guess. :)
>Here is a much more detailed explanation I wrote discussing the results of my study if anyone wants! But the TL;DR is after studying 24 black holes that swallowed stars >2 years ago, we discovered 10 of them turned “on” in radio that hadn’t had radio at earlier times. Radio emission traces outflows from the inner regions of the black hole where an accretion disc forms (nothing is crossing the event horizon- further out!), and this result is quite shocking from a theory point of view! Exciting times! :)
>Edit: these outflows are created by stellar material, aka stuff from the star that was shredded, not literal burning stars. I unfortunately didn’t write the headline!
>Edit 2: no it’s not due to time dilation. This all happens too far out for this effect to happen from the event horizon. Nor does it have to do with Hawking radiation- once again, that is an effect that happens at the event horizon.
Its because the star's matter was never truly *inside* the black hole. It never would be. It can only get infinitely close to the event horizon, and we could never see it actually cross the event horizon, but the light from it would be red shifted until it was no longer visible and it would look as if it had fallen in, but it can't.
You know how scientists are always talking about what happens inside of a black hole? Theyre never going to figure it out, want to know why? Because you *can't* fall *inside* a black hole! Follow me through this thought experiment and I will prove to you why that is, using nothing more than logic.
First, let's talk about time dilation. Two things make time slow down: moving at very high speeds approaching the speed of light and being in the presence of very strong gravity, like near a singularity in a black hole. They're both two sides of the same coin. Gravity and speed. Space and time. Electricity and magnetism.
You can't move at the speed of light because, as you get closer and closer to reaching it, time goes slower and slower - approaching infinitely slow (aka a full stop). So theoretically, if you were moving at the speed of light, time would stop. Also it would take more energy than exists in the entire universe to accelerate one particle with mass to the speed of light. Aka you can't do it. Just hang on, this will all start to make sense very soon and it will be totally worth it.
In the same way that approaching the speed of light makes time slow down almost infinitely, so does approaching the singularity in a black hole. Light speed is like infinite speed, and a singularity is like infinite gravity, so to equal one of those values, time is inversely proportional and would therefore be zero.
Are you starting to get it yet?
Let's say Santiago jumps in a black hole and Dunbar hangs back on the spaceship to watch.
As Santiago falls toward the black hole, time starts moving more slowly for him the closer he gets. That means, from his perspective, if he turned around and looked back, the rest of the universe would be moving *forward* through time, faster and faster. As he gets very close to the singularity, time for him nearly stops. Think about it, if he actually DID reach it, time WOULD stop, meaning INFINITE time would pass for the rest of the universe.
It's starting to make sense, right?
But here's the thing. Black holes evaporate. So as Santiago falls closer and closer to the singularity, it has more and more time to evaporate! Therefore! What Santiago would see as he falls toward the black hole! Is he would see the universe flash forward through trillions and trillions of years very quickly, and he would see the black hole get smaller and smaller as he got closer until it disappeared!
But since the black hole shrinks as he gets closer, to him it just appears to stay the same and he doesn't even seem to be moving at all! He just sees the universe fast forwarding through time ultra insanely fast!
Finally, with the black hole fully evaporated and gravity (and time dilation) gone, Santiago would suddenly find himself at the end of time! Where nothing exists anymore! Because the universe is now so old that even the black holes have evaporated!! Even though from his perspective, he just jumped into a black hole! It just shrank out of existence right in front of him!
Now, let's go back to Dunbar as he watches Santiago jump in.
Dunbar sees Santiago falling closer and closer to the event horizon, but he never actually sees him fall all the way inside... Because he never will!! Dunbar just sees the image of Santiago kind of get smeared onto the surface of the event horizon, because remember, Santiago's clock is ticking almost infinitely slow now. His time has almost stopped. So he's just going to be smeared almost infinitely close to the surface of the black hole's event horizon for the next 50 bazillion years or so - at least, from the perspective of everyone NOT falling towards a black hole right now.
So as you can see!! There is no such thing as "inside a black hole"!!!!! It's as impossible as anything with mass moving at the speed of light! You CAN'T go inside a black hole, it doesn't exist! You can only get infinitely close! Just like you can get infinitely close to the speed of light, but never actually reach it! Same thing!
So do it - jump in a black hole! It'll just fizzle away before your very eyes and you'll find yourself on the other side of time, at the end of the universe, where nothing exists! Except for everything that is now popping out of evaporated black holes all over the place many gazillions of years in the future after an arbitrarily long period of time where nothing existed but black holes!
Maybe *that* is the big bang - or the next one, anyways! Think about it.... all of the mass in the universe, literally a universe worth of mass which has been locked up in black holes everywhere, is now popping out of black holes, everywhere!!! It's the big bang!!!!
Although, to everyone else, you will forever be a smudge.
I'm pretty sure I just solved the mysteries of the freakin universe. You're welcome.
* mic drop *
Lou Baldin said over a decade or two ago that black holes are essentially recycling centers for stars. Dying stars go in, new stars come out and get ejected into deep space and wherever they settle, a new solar system is born. I've been seeing articles like this come out for several years now. If I dare post that an experiencer got this knowledge from ETs on the space reddit I would be made a fool. Thank you for posting this on here so I can share.
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If you’d like, you can look up the Lou baldin guide on google. Someone compiled everything together with an index and there is A LOT of VERY COOL stuff! Fact or fiction still mind expanding.
Like lysosomes in cells?
The universe as a 4th dimensional entity that we are a part of. The natural process of redistributing energy to ensure it is not wasted and ends up in places it needs to be.
Even outside of that it’s an interesting theory. The idea that the universe would have a way of redistributing itself would basically ensure it’s a never ending process. Always building new stars and systems. Except we can’t know if the black holes are ‘targeting’ older stars.
How do they know the stars were previously consumed? We've only really been watching outer space with any reasonable way to sense a black hole for less then 100 years. Why couldn't the backhoes be creating stars or moving them from place to place
Well a hole does eventually fill up. You can’t store that much matter for long, everything under pressure eventually finds a spot to escape. Plus it only makes sense to spit stuff back out fast to get it traveling across the galaxy.
We can determine some things though, such as the chemical make up of a star, or whether it is coming toward us or away from us, for instance. We can know that a star is behind a star (from our perspective) because of gravitational lensing. There are many other things we can know - to the best of our knowledge - about things millions of light years away, which is genuinely amazing, and it should be amazing!
I think a lot of those things are rooted in certain axioms that might not be as fundamental as they are presented.
A black hole sucks up everything and burps up garbage is much like a theorists sucking up lots of theories and trying to make them fit and then produce a lot of garbage.
I think they're criticizing the foundation which that information is gathered upon. any theory on the universe is gonna be "if these fundamental things are true, then we can explain this and this" and they don't belief the given fundamental truths are actually true
I'm kinda in the middle here. we've done an incredible job of understanding the universe with our capabilities and viewpoint, lots of this stuff is absolutely repeatable and useful.
on the other hand, I fully believe we know almost nothing about existence as a whole. and the fact we've done so well as a species creates a confidence that keeps most of us shut out from more 'wacky' theories on what this existence could be, beyond the vast empty space and countless stars/planets out there
I think those researchers will be the first to say we are barely scratching the surface of understanding the universe. But what are the alternatives? Im not sure why you putevidence in quotes, thats all we have to go on is the best theories built on empirical evidence from studies with with repeated results. Science is also the most self critical collection of humans in history, and yes they do revise their understanding based off of the best evidence at the time, which might change sometimes. If only every organization did this!
I’m not critiquing science as a whole, just knowledge on things outside of this world. Their evidence is theoretical because it’s not really able to truly be proven on earth. Not everything can be explained with mathematical equations and terrestrial experiments
Theories dont really mean "made up," Im not saying you are saying that but it is a common misconception. What makes a theory a theory is that it can be proven or disproven with experiment or study. The theory of evolution, for instance, can be proven or disproven (the overwhelming evidence from studies points to evolution through natural selection being true). The Flat Earth theory can be proven or disproven (the overwhelming evidence through study points to the Earth being spherical).
My personal belief is that everything in existence can be studied if it exists. That doesnt mean that we have the abilities to study everything that exists right now, but that at some point it will be able to be studied and known.
I’m not saying that theories are made up, it’s their educated, estimated guess of what something is. The earth is proven spherical, because we have images and proof that it is.
However, something like a black hole, that is light years away, is a little harder to study properly. Of course astronomers don’t know why it’s “burping up stars” because they don’t truly know what happens in a black hole.
Until we can at least send a satellite through a black hole, we really are just guessing based on photos, especially if everything we’re seeing with stars, may have happened thousands of years ago
I'm curious if there is a way to tell if a star has been previously 'burped up' in it's last & when it does eventually spit it out. Is it in a random area near the black hole or does it reappear in the same spot before it was consumed?
So after reading the article it sounds like normally stars get shredded into an accretion disc and then within a few days all the matter falls below the event horizon usually releasing some radiation as it falls in. then occasionally the radiation acts up again way later like more matter is falling below the event horizon again way later than it should...
This really sounds like the gravity well is acting like a centrifuge separating different densities of matter and one just takes way longer to fall in, but my question is shouldn't density not matter because the gravity well and centripetal acceleration would just cancel out in any sort of density gradient?
If not density then what quality of matter would a gravity well and centripetal acceleration fighting each other cause a gradient in?
If there's no known quality of matter that would cause such a gradient does that mean there's some unknown matter type in these stars that takes longer to be consumed?
Keep in mind everything we are seeing is 100s or 1000s of years in the past. Looking at space is like exploring the past. Many of the stars you can see no longer exist.
Very misleading title and article. They clarify further down that whatever is 'turning these back on' and being 'burped out' does not come from within the black hole. Nothing escapes a black hole, only Hawking radiation as Stephen proved. Certainly not physical matter. If light can't escape, how the hell can heavy matter?
So no, they aren't burping anything out. There is just some sort of matter emmited from the accretion disc years later... click bait title.
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> does it have to do with Hawking radiation- once again, that is an effect that happens at the event horizon.
It isn't being "sucked in" - it's being "sucked near" then getting away again. There is nothing to suggest anything is leaving the black hole, or our universe.
Isn't this a bit misleading? It gives the impression that the 'half eaten' remains of stars are being spat back into space, and that's not what it says.
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